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posted at 9:51 am on November 15, 2006 by Allahpundit
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The Corner picked this up a few days ago so everyone’s probably already seen it, but what the hell. Portrait of two Khomeinist stooges with schwanz-shaped noses and bad hair: one the president of Iran in a recent photo, the other an armed guard outside the American embassy in Tehran shortly after it was seized in November 1979.

Same guy?

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Texas Rainmaker says yes, Daniel Pipes isn’t sure, I say no. You make the call.


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I feel like I should be like that guy from Numb3rs and start putting a mathematical analysis on a chalk board.

A better view of the ears would be helpful; it’s like the fingerprint of the face. The edge certainly sticks out the same.

frankj on November 15, 2006 at 9:55 AM

Praise be to Allah! The Mahdi hasn’t aged a day since 1979.

http://www.11/4Truth.com

a4g on November 15, 2006 at 9:56 AM

Even if it’s true, what’s the minor, youthful indiscretion of participating in an act of war toward the United States when placed against all the things he’s done and said since becoming president of Iran?

JoeEgo on November 15, 2006 at 10:00 AM

I say no. The schwanz-nosed Khomeinist circa 1979 appears taller than Mahdi. BTW, why is the occupied Tehran embassy still standing? Thanks, Jimmah.

Kid from Brooklyn on November 15, 2006 at 10:01 AM

What was the name of the ahole ex-cia agent who called the embassy after the terrorists over ran it? He offered to broker a deal between them and the US government by advising the terrorists to use files containing the names of US agents in the embassy.

EF on November 15, 2006 at 10:05 AM

Well if it’s not him, then it’s his evil twin. Wait..can someone like Ahmadinejad have an “evil” twin? Thinking about it makes my head hurt.

vcferlita on November 15, 2006 at 10:07 AM

Well five former hostages confirm he was one of the captors. Picture or no; he was most likely there.

Cary on November 15, 2006 at 10:10 AM

What kind of idiot holds a weapon like that? Jeez…

Laura on November 15, 2006 at 10:10 AM

don’t think so.

One Angry Christian on November 15, 2006 at 10:14 AM

Same guy?

Same mentality.

fogw on November 15, 2006 at 10:17 AM

A better view of the ears would be helpful; it’s like the fingerprint of the face. The edge certainly sticks out the same.

I agree. Looks mighty similar to me.

Barntender on November 15, 2006 at 10:17 AM

I think it might be. Either that or the Steve Bridges of Ahmadinejad.

americanpundit on November 15, 2006 at 10:17 AM

The first guy looks more like Usama to me…

SouthernGent on November 15, 2006 at 10:18 AM

No…the hand gives it away…the earlier picture shows a guy with, almost, feminine hands…the later one shows a guy with stubby, fat fingers.

Lets not make a mistake, lets take ‘em both out.

DoctorDentons on November 15, 2006 at 10:21 AM

How come their hair is basically the same style?

americanpundit on November 15, 2006 at 10:21 AM

The CIA/FBI knows, don’t they? Facial recognition software being what it is…

I guarantee that Israel knows.

Pablo on November 15, 2006 at 10:26 AM

A better view would help, but based on this photo alone, I’d say it’s him. Nose, brow and visible ears are the same. I think the beard makes him look older in the 1979 photo than he was. It’s him.

High Desert Wanderer on November 15, 2006 at 10:26 AM

Meh, all fascistic Muslim reactionaries look the same to me.

Enrique on November 15, 2006 at 10:27 AM

How come their hair is basically the same style?

Toup? Nah.

vcferlita on November 15, 2006 at 10:27 AM

americanpundit,

How come their hair is basically the same style?

Somebody is stuck in the ’70’s?

Unfortunately, it’s the 770’s.

Pablo on November 15, 2006 at 10:27 AM

What I want to know is whether he dyes his hair now. Because I probably looked a little like the guy on the left in 1979, minus beard, camo, gun, and evil, but my hair’s mostly gray by now.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on November 15, 2006 at 10:28 AM

Somebody is stuck in the ’70’s?

Unfortunately, it’s the 770’s.

Haha! Made me laugh out loud at work.

SouthernGent on November 15, 2006 at 10:33 AM

I thought this was somewhat old news even before the Corner put up the photo. There’s another (I think even more convincing) picture in the intro to Guests of the Ayatollah”)

BillLalor on November 15, 2006 at 10:34 AM

I say no. The bridge of the nose looks too concave on the earlier picture. Checkbones look different as well. Also, this cat would be much older looking now, it seems. The ear, however does look similar.

Tough call, really.

robblefarian on November 15, 2006 at 10:35 AM

After studying many plastic surgery “victims”, I feel that the gun toting terrorist on the left is indeed the thoughtful terrorist on the right. Here is why:

1. The bone structure of the face appears to be the same. Note that the outline of the cheekbones, the bridge of the nose and the temples appear almost identical. The slight differences could be attributed to the aging process of more than 25 years.

2. The hair growth pattern appears to be the same. Note the crown and the way the hair grows at his temples. The hair now appears coarser, but that can happen with increased gray hair. While the hair is styled differently (perhaps to hide the rather large ears)in the younger picture, I believe that if you look past that, you will see that it is the same terrorist.

3. While the ears are covered by hair on the young terrorist, it could be an indication that they were embarrassingly large ( even terrorists have feelings). The older, thinker terrorist has his ears fully exposed; he no longer is embarrassed by his ears. If you look at the small bit of ear that is protruding out through the younger terrorists veil of hair, you can see that it is at about the same level as the ear of the older, thinker terrorist. It would be quite helpful to have another picture of the young terrorist’s ears, but this may not be possible.

4. The nose. The schwanz shaped nose of the older terrorist looks to be the same schwanz shaped nose as that of the younger terrorist. The older terrorist’s nose shows the typical changes that occur to all noses through the aging process. It appears softer, and less sharp and may be hanging a little low. The cartilage in the nose breaks down during the aging process, this breakdown could account for the slight differences between the schwanz shaped noses. The naso-labio folds on the young terrorist are almost identical to the deeper naso-labio folds on the older terrorist. Again, this could be the effects of aging.

5. The Jacket. The older terrorist is noted for his fondness of the Kramer style jacket. He is rarely seen without it. Obviously, the older terrorist is a fashion trendsetter. The younger terrorist also is wearing a jacket noted for it’s stylishness amongst terrorists. Fashion trendsetting, including the love of trendsetting jackets tends to be a lifelong trait.

What we really need here is a plastic surgeon or someone who excels in age progression drawings. Even so, I think they are most likely the same terrorist.

bloggless on November 15, 2006 at 10:38 AM

Somewhat different shaped head, pointier nose in # 2 (from lying?), and I think bigger bags under the eyes in # 1 (when he would have been younger?). I feel no, different guy. Maybe a family member, or ex-boy friend.

RalphyBoy on November 15, 2006 at 10:41 AM

Well. Its easy to figure out, isnt it? The wall he is standing against has even spaced bricks. How tall is each brick? About 4 inches or so? Count how many bricks tall he is, multiply by 4. Divide by 12 to get the feet. If its more than a few inches off, its definitely not him.

lorien1973 on November 15, 2006 at 10:41 AM

But just look at the comparison here.

Lehuster on November 15, 2006 at 10:42 AM

Nah. The guy in the old photo would look much older today than Amadinejad looks.

Theworldisnotenough on November 15, 2006 at 10:43 AM

I’d say yes. It’s the nose and the lines radiating out of the nose. Regarding his fingers, you can’t really see his fingers except for the index, which looks roughly the same in both pictures.

spmat on November 15, 2006 at 10:47 AM

Same guy? No.

Separated at birth? Maybe.

Labamigo on November 15, 2006 at 10:50 AM

Pulling back and looking at the original pic it looks like ‘79 is quite a lot taller than our diminutive dictator. As others have said, both guys look about the same age. I don’t think it’s him, either.

jdpaz on November 15, 2006 at 10:50 AM

My first reaction was “same guy.” But I went back and looked as some archived photos of Ahmanutjob, and it changed my mind. Pictures from his college-aged years do not look at all like the picture on the left. His eyes seem to be getting pulled back into his head more as he ages. Or maybe his Cro-Magnon skull is just continuing to protrude over his eye-sockets… Take your pick.

The hairline is the same, the ears (what you can see of them) appear to be the same. I also think that the hands are the same. The beard on the photo on the left is a full beard, but if you look at photos of Ahmadinnerjacket from the same time period, you see a little tuft of hair under the lip, some sparse areas, then more beard below — much the same as his beard looks now. The bottom lip looks different (fuller) too. The face in picture on the left has just as many wrinkles as the current photo.

So, I think it’s his father.

Or maybe his mother…

lan astaslem on November 15, 2006 at 10:54 AM

Or maybe his mother

That is funny!!!!!

bloggless on November 15, 2006 at 10:56 AM

After reviewing the additional photographic evidence, I am less inclined to believe they are the same terrorist. However, I really have no proof of the height of the brick wall. Maybe they use mini bricks. Many it was a case of all your fakes are belong to us. And actually, the picture really looks a lot of Osama bin Laden.

bloggless on November 15, 2006 at 10:59 AM

I’m thinking it’s not him. they eyes just don’t look the same.

pullingmyhairout on November 15, 2006 at 11:12 AM

It’s 27 years between pictures…I think we’re talking one step across the gene pool from father to son. And if that first guy was a “student” at the time, he got left back a few years.

52Ranger on November 15, 2006 at 11:12 AM

Yes, same guy. Compare the hair, nose, facial structure, and finger tips.

William Teach on November 15, 2006 at 11:14 AM

Maybe it’s his dad. Look at an old picture of Martin Sheen and compare it to a modern picture of Charlie Sheen. Freaky.

Hey, maybe it IS him and he just *looks* younger now because Nancy gave him some Botox!

770s! Good one Pablo!

Tony737 on November 15, 2006 at 11:16 AM

their eyes…not they eyes.

pullingmyhairout on November 15, 2006 at 11:21 AM

Ian and 52Ranger, thanks for the laugh! “Maybe his mother” and “he got left back a few years” … that’s good stuff.

Before anybody freaks out, let me pre-empt you by saying, the following statement IS JUST A (BOTCHED) JOKE!

Ah, they all look alike anyway.

Tony737 on November 15, 2006 at 11:22 AM

Is it possible that Aminnijihad photoshopped the younger picture to make himself look taller in order to “prove” that it was not him? Any of you photo shop peoples know if this could be done? It seems like adding a few inches to the legs or strecting the brick wall out a bit, might account for the height discrepancy. Is this another case of all your fakes are belong to us? Surely, there are more pics of this particular terrorist.

bloggless on November 15, 2006 at 11:27 AM

Check out some of these pictures that have him with the hostages.

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=iran+hostages&btnG=Search+Images

SurfingKC on November 15, 2006 at 11:37 AM

I don’t see the younger terrorist in any of those google pics. The google pics look like a completely different guy, not the same guy in this picture.

bloggless on November 15, 2006 at 11:43 AM

The bags under the eyes are the only thing causing me to think its a different person. Plastic surgery maybe?

bj1126 on November 15, 2006 at 11:46 AM

The ear looks the same..besides..didn’t he say it was him?

Pam on November 15, 2006 at 11:53 AM

Run it through some face recognition software, for crying out loud.

PRCalDude on November 15, 2006 at 11:59 AM

the one on the left reminds me of john kerry.

ppcx on November 15, 2006 at 12:06 PM

They look too similar in age.

SWLiP on November 15, 2006 at 12:34 PM

Defenitely NOT the same. Guy on the left is taller.

toofa on November 15, 2006 at 12:47 PM

Clones?

Star Wars. It’s not just for breakfast anymore.

either way, the guys a spit-up-burp

Kini on November 15, 2006 at 12:49 PM

It’s hard to judge accurately from such an odd angle, but it appears the person in the 1979 image has somewhat larger eyes spaced somewhat farther apart, or at least inset noticeably less from the sides of the head, than Ahmedinejad. The distance from the bridge to the end of the nose appears substantially greater, and the shape of the head proceeding up from the brow-line also appears to be much more oval than Ahmedinajad, who has a rather squarish skull. Overall it’s a longer, thinner head.

Blacklake on November 15, 2006 at 12:50 PM

No. Not the same guy, per se…. (it gets interesting)

You see pres Ahmadinejadayadayada has substantial power and wealth. He also saw the picture of this “warrior” and one day decided and declared to his constituents, “Bring me the great warrior in this here picture!”

So Ahmadinejadayadayada’s little yes-men ran out and found (we’ll call him Art) Art at a local and well known eatery. Now, the yes-men asked Art to come with them back to the castle, to which Art of course complied.

At the castle Ahmadinejadayadayada got Art drunk on Bud pounders. Then the real work began – the removal of Art’s head and it’s placement on Ahmadinejadayadayada’s body! I know it sounds amazing but look at the results! The high brow. The perfect hair – almost plastic-like.

Art is now hanging on a wall in Ahmadinejadayadayada’s office and Ahmadinejadayadayadayada is free from the problems of adult acne and chronic runny nose.

Fargus on November 15, 2006 at 12:55 PM

Actually, lorien1973 has the righ idea.

A standard brick is 3″ high. I count roughly 21 bricks height as he leans against the wall. However, This measurement is tempered by 2 things:

1) He is leaning over, and not standing up straight. This would tend to shorten the overall measurement.

2) The construction of the wall includes a concrete section near the bottom that appears to be between 2 and 3 bricks in thickness, getting thicker as you follow the wall to the left. This would tend to lengthen the measurement if you undercompensate for it’s height, which is hard not to do without an accurate measuring tool. (Keep in mind that all this is an exercise in approximation anyway.)

Assuming that the 2 caveats pretty much cancel each other out, I think the measurement of 21 bricks is roughly correct.

(21×3)/12 = 5.25′ (5 feet, 2.5 inches)

The officially listed height for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is 5 feet, 2 inches.

This, combined with the information “blogless” posted above me, leads me to believe that this photo is indeed Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, circa 1979.

Of course, we would still need forensic scientists to pore over the images to get a better confirmation, but I would say that the likelyhood of this being Ahmadinejad is quite high.

wearyman on November 15, 2006 at 1:03 PM

The guy on the left is Harry Shearer… the other guy is some nut.

Wait, what was the question again?

ScottMcC on November 15, 2006 at 1:03 PM

Run it through some face recognition software, for crying out loud.

PRCalDude on November 15, 2006 at 11:59 AM

Those guys on CSI could have figured this out in less than an hour (with commercial breaks).

pullingmyhairout on November 15, 2006 at 1:06 PM

Yes, it’s him. He even said hewas one of the hostage takers. Can’t find the link.

Conspiracy? Discuss…

Mazztek on November 15, 2006 at 1:07 PM

Nope, though…

I think I saw the guy on the right at the 2006 SF Fetish Ball. He was being walked around on all four’s dressed as a sheep by a mustached Bo-Peep. Or was that the guy made up to look like a DC/Redskin Hogette serving pig-sicles on his knees to the Latex Nuns?

Oh well it is all a wonderful blurr…

GoingThere

GoingThere on November 15, 2006 at 1:09 PM

One other thing, the measurement I provided does NOT take into account the thickness of the MORTAR between the bricks. This also underestimes the height and serves to further cancel out the fact that he is leaning against the wall.

Also, expect that an accurate height measurement will tend to be slightly taller in the 1979 picture than the current day Ahmadinejad due to the fact that people tend to get shorter as they age. As much as 3-4 inches shorter in some cases.

Thusly even if the 1979 picture has a taller man in it, unless there is a VERY dramatic difference of 5-6 inches or more, it could still be the same man.

wearyman on November 15, 2006 at 1:10 PM

if you add in 20 “mortar thicknesses” that’s easily another 10 inches, wearyman. that would put our ‘79 guy at about 6 feet by your reckoning. That looks about right to me.

jdpaz on November 15, 2006 at 1:24 PM

I just measured some bricks outside, they measure 2 1/2 inches. The mortar is about another 1/2 inch. I think wearyman is on to something. Perhaps in his younger days he wore shoes with a higher heel. Also, the hands in each picture appear to be the hands of a soft man. The index fingernails appear remarkably similar. Look closely at the bend of the middle finger. It looks identical. Even the eyebrows have the same set and curve. The under eye bags that someone noted on the younger terrorist are not really bags, but the result of squinting while looking at the photographer.

bloggless on November 15, 2006 at 1:34 PM

The head shapes don’t seem to match. The younger one has sort of an almond-shaped head while the other has more of an acorn-shaped head.

Both are nutty.

CliffHanger on November 15, 2006 at 1:46 PM

Actually jdpaz,

You would only add 18 mortar counts. Remember, 2 of the ‘bricks’ are estimated based on the thickness of the concrete wall foundation.

Standard mortar thickness is about 1/2″. so .5 x 18 = 9′

That would shoot the height to 5 feet 11 inches, very nearly 6 feet. So this would tend to speak AGAINST the image being Ahmadinejad.

However, I just went and measured some of the bricks in the brick sides of my office, and they measure 2 inches in height, not 3 inches.

However, that says nothing about the brick sizes in the wall in the 1979 picture. As you can see by this page, there are TONS of available brick sizes. However, the height for a standard, non-modular (interlocking) brick is 2 1/4 in. Of course, this standard was set in 1992, well AFTER the wall in question was built. But brick sizes have varied all over the place over the years, as you can see here.

So I guess when all is said and done all you can do is get a rough guess that the terrorist in the picture from 1979 is probably between 5 and 6 feet tall. Of course, that includes about 90% of the adult population of the planet, so it’s not terribly useful after all.

At least it was a fun exercise, and I learned more about bricks than I knew yesterday. :)

wearyman on November 15, 2006 at 1:53 PM

Of course it’s him!
and besides, why else couldn’t Iran “Produce” the ahem..real terrorist hijaker/kidnapper from 1979?

Bearhopi on November 15, 2006 at 2:19 PM

I don’t think it is the same guy.

The guy on the left seems to have more of a oval shaped face/head.

The guy on the right seems to have more of a up-side down triangle shape to his face/head.

Subtle, but there you go. It’s hard to quantify, but that’s what it looks like to me.

EFG on November 15, 2006 at 2:22 PM

Here’s another comparison shot.

I don’t think I could say either way for sure. In this pick, Mahdi’s eyes look to be closer to his nose than the cat in the other pic. But other than that, you’d have a hard time convincing me that it couldn’t be him.

righteouschops on November 15, 2006 at 3:07 PM

Looks like him to me.
I just found him on both my Sgt. Pepper cover and on the balcony on the Hotel California jacket.

CBarker on November 15, 2006 at 3:11 PM

I don’t get where some of you think the pres would have to be older. If this cat was a student that would have made him, what? 20-25? You guys don’t think Mahmoud could be 45-50 years old? I think he probably does color his hair. Regardless, he needs to get some Just-For-Men to touch up his beard.

righteouschops on November 15, 2006 at 3:15 PM

wearyman, to continue flogging this dead horse: consider the mystery man’s finger width. Compare it to the mortar thickness. A pretty close match, no?

I’m a fairly, um, delicately-boned man. My fingers are 3/4″ wide. Let’s assume his are similar to mine. note: the guy we know is Ahmadinx is fairly thick-fingered.

Comparing the grout width to the brick height we discover that the bricks are approx 2 & 1/4 inch high. So brick plus grout line = 3 & 1/4 inch.

There’s about 21 brick/grout heights—this puts ‘79 at 5′8″ at least (my assumptions are all to the low side favoring to the short side).

jdpaz on November 15, 2006 at 3:18 PM

The gate/door there is about 26-27 bricks high. If it’s a standard 80″ high, that would make the bricks (plus spacing) approx. 3″ each.

So unless it’s unusually tall, that guy is quite short.

VerbumSap on November 15, 2006 at 3:23 PM

Another thing about the brick wall is that the signs and banners appear to have been hung very near the top of the wall, which indicates to me that the wall is not very high. I doubt the revolutionaries stormed through the streets with a step ladder. They probably just hung them where they could easily reach while caught up in the brave terrorist feat of hostage taking.In fact, the younger Amenninindinglejad may have wanted the pic to be snapped at the wall because it gave the optical illusion of increased height.

bloggless on November 15, 2006 at 3:44 PM

The Embassy sat on a 27-acre compound surrounded by a high brick wall.

Description from one of the hostages (emphasis mine).

If ‘79 is 5′2″ then our “high” wall surrounding our embassy is 6′ tall—not what I’d call high.

Verbum, taller than normal doors wouldn’t be out of place at our embassy.

jdpaz on November 15, 2006 at 4:01 PM

A couple of things to consider.

Regarding estimation of person’s height: I’d tend to estimate him closer to Ahmadinejad’s height. The brick height, including mortar thickness, are most likely 3 inches +/-, which is thicker than usual. That puts him in the 5′2″ to 5′4″ range. Definitely not in the area of 6′. Couple of reasons. First, the brick height is a little more than the entry step height which usually is around 7.5 to 7.75 inches, and rarely more than 8″. Second, three bricks are slightly greater than the brick length plus one mortar thickness and looks to be about an inch +/-. Third, 27+/- courses is the equivalent, via cut and paste, of the height of the entry gate or about 6′9″, which is roughly the standard entry door height.

I am curious where the close up photo came from. Is this a blowup and enhanced photo? If this original and not enhanced, then I’d say no it isn’t him for one reason. His beard across the lower lip is too full. It seems to me Ahmadinejad beard is sparse either side of center below the lip, something that does not change for some people, and is more in keeping with the picture of the guy in the first photo at Daniel Pipes post.

Not to go off subject too much, but in looking at a lot of the photos of the Iranian crisis and current ones of Ahmadinejad, one thing seems pretty common: either Iranians are generally short or the Revolution/Iranian crisis was spurred and the country is now ruled by height-challenged people.

Dusty on November 15, 2006 at 4:18 PM

If you google Kommersant you will see what the experts say about this photo. Height difference is not an issue.

bloggless on November 15, 2006 at 4:25 PM

Looks like the same guy to me. Or his brother.

Lawrence on November 15, 2006 at 5:55 PM

It’s difficult to say… anyone know where to find that other old picture of a guy suspected to be Ahmadinejad? Seems like that one looked more like him.

RightWinged on November 15, 2006 at 7:01 PM

Still defenitely NOT the same. Guy on the left actually casts a shadow.

toofa on November 15, 2006 at 8:33 PM

Two such dead ringers for Joe Camel cannot possibly exist.

Jokes aside, people have already commented on the numerous striking similarities between the “two” men, and I can’t find any feature that clearly distinguishes them. It’s true that the two don’t appear to be 27 years apart in age. However, the apparent similarity in age may be due partly to the guard’s squinting and to the sun’s making his nasolabial folds appear deeper than they otherwise might appear. The man in the photo from 1979 may have appeared to be older than he was because of his beard. Ahmadinejad has kept his weight down, probably drinks little or no alcohol, may die his hair, and may employ a dermatologist. One can’t give a geometric proof the two photos show the same person, but it seems very likely they do.

Kralizec on November 15, 2006 at 8:42 PM

Our features can change natuarally, over time, such as the nose and eyes..but if you look, the one thing that always remains the same is the ears..(except for men who have hair growing out of them)

Pam on November 15, 2006 at 9:26 PM

Here is a link to a better photo comparison of this lunatic. Using a better picture and matching lens distortion it’s practically a perfect match.

Egfrow on November 15, 2006 at 10:12 PM

It is hard to believe there could be two people on earth with such “stunning” features.

bloggless on November 15, 2006 at 11:13 PM

Regardless of whether or not that is his photo, he was one of the students with a lead role in the take over, which gives you a developmental insight to the positions he has today.

To be noted: but for the spineless, treasonous Carter administration which FORBADE Embassy Marines from using lethal force, (as they are authorized and bound by duty) to protect the lives and national interests within that compound, that sad chapter in our national history most certainly would have been avoided, and we would not have LOST the first battle of the Islamofacist World War.

Alden Pyle on November 16, 2006 at 9:16 AM

By contrast, another notorious picture of hostage takers includes an Amadinejad look-alike with the proper facial-hair pattern:

It depends upon what your definition of “people’s friend” is

sissywillis on November 16, 2006 at 1:24 PM

Your picture is on the money sisu – that’s the one I’m sure is the same guy. This picture here could be Armadillo-jawed, or maybe not – but IMHO it doesn’t matter, since we have your pic & the eyewitness testimony of several of our staff who looked this guy in the eye.

RD on November 16, 2006 at 11:39 PM

Instead of matching them by face, we need photos of them from the side to match the configurations of their ears, which are as distinctive as fingerprints.

Tantor on November 17, 2006 at 5:39 PM

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