Tivo alert: Glenn Beck presents “Exposed: The Extremist Agenda”
posted at 9:53 pm on November 15, 2006 by Allahpundit
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This post probably would have been more useful an hour ago, before the program started, huh? No matter. It’ll re-air at midnight on CNN Headline News; our west coast readers can catch it at seven and then again at nine (and midnight, natch). Odds are it’ll end up posted at Jihad Depot in the next day or so too, so no worries.
For what it’s worth, the Freepers who watched the early showing are in raptures.
To complement your viewing, I suggest downloading the executive summary of “The Militant Ideology Atlas,” a new report released today by the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point. Don’t be daunted by the length: the summary itself occupies only seven of the 23 pages. Instead of the usual terrorist flow charts this sort of counterterror analyses tends to traffic in, this one focuses on the clerics and ideologues who help shape jihadist philosophy, such as it is. I’m embarrassed to say that the man they name as the most influential “thinker” in the world in this vein is someone I’ve never heard of.
This part is kind of important too. Whither the tiny minority?
The West, especially the United States, should be modest about its ability to intellectually challenge Salafism [i.e., Wahhabism]. The movement gained mass popularity during the last century and Salafis now constitute a majority or significant portion of the Muslim population in the Middle East and North Africa. This is despite the fact that it was often strongly opposed by secular nationalist regimes and non-Salafi clerics. Western governments have neither the local credibility nor the cultural expertise necessary to diminish the popularity of Salafism.
The full summary is well worth your time.
Update: Some of our commenters have seen it and second the Freepers’ recommendation. Apparently I was wrong about the west coast air time, though: it’s not on at seven, only at nine. Duly noted.
Update: You know who really needs to watch this program? The Republican leadership.
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The program was very well done and will hopefully be viewed by a very large audience.
The West needs to wake up.
Corky on November 15, 2006 at 10:02 PM
Allah, I got an email alert about it. I thought it was nothing more than “Obsession” redux, but it wasn’t. I got it all on video…
http://www.msunderestimated.com/2006/11/15/exposed-the-radical-islamic-agenda-video/
You can upload the d/l’able video and make it a flash if you want. It’s great viewing!
MsUnderestimated on November 15, 2006 at 10:05 PM
Actually here on the left coast now Nancy Grace is on CNN HN from 7:00 – 8:00, but Glenn is listed to be on at 9:00
infidel4life on November 15, 2006 at 10:07 PM
Glenn Beck is one of the very best. He has been talking about this stuff for almost a year now and I think he did a wonderful job of showing people just what we are up against. I hope CNN makes sure that he has proper security.
NEMETI IN SYRACUSE on November 15, 2006 at 10:11 PM
I watched it at 7. He had some great guests and new footage I hadn’t seen before.
V15J on November 15, 2006 at 10:11 PM
Just got done watching this with my wife. Thank GOD (the Christian one) that Beck had the good grace of the Lord to get this aired on Headline News. It was an outstanding program and gave me the opportunity to explain a lot of things to my wife (who isn’t a big fan of politics).
Beck was gracious with the “Moderate Muslim” at the end, but all things being equal I wouldn’t put much faith into what that guy said. Look at our own Christian faith for example. The Northern Abolitionists not only stated that slavery was wrong according to the teachings of Christ – but they actually had the guts and backbone to plunge the country into a horrific civil war in order to see that God’s will would be done.
The day I see a Muslim stand up and take arms against the savages that dominate that religion is the day that I will believe there is truly such a thing as a “Moderate Muslim”.
venmax on November 15, 2006 at 10:12 PM
I loved the segment with Brigitte Gabriel. She had a lot of courage saying what she said. Glenn Beck is a better man for getting this on the air. Thanks Allah for the report, but I am having trouble understanding the difference between Jihadis and Salafis. I have to focus more I guess. I loved this show and hope to see more of this stuff. Maybe it will wake up some people, but that would be living in fantasy land.
Dittohead on November 15, 2006 at 10:18 PM
Salafis don’t blow things up. They cheer people on who blow things up.
Allahpundit on November 15, 2006 at 10:21 PM
This was an excellent program. Glenn Beck tells is like it is. he sugarcoats nothing and throws PC bullsh*t to the wind. This should be a “must see” for all.
pullingmyhairout on November 15, 2006 at 10:22 PM
Thanks, MsU. Got it.
Good. What can you say…the man’s got Malkins.
As he recommends, watch Obsession, etc., listed at the linked page…read “Eurabia”, “Londonistan”, Mark Steyn’s stuff, Fallaci…fill up on what the jihadis are up to.
We will pay if we’re too tender about how we appear. Find out what’s going on, spread the word.
Puritan1648 on November 15, 2006 at 10:24 PM
Beck emphasized repeatedly how difficult it was to get the powers-that-be to let him air this special. I think he said it took over a year to get it approved or something like that. Kudos to him for persevering.
I do think we Americans and other Westerners need to see and hear this stuff. We need to understand that Muslim extremists pose an existential threat to our culture. The vast majority of westerners don’t seem to have a clue what the jihadis are doing–brainwashing generations, arming themselves, training, planning, killing. When an American just rolls their eyes and blows off the War on Terror, I get a chill. What part of “Death to America” don’t they understand????
aero on November 15, 2006 at 10:25 PM
Explains the long disclaimer at the beginning of it, I bet.
lorien1973 on November 15, 2006 at 10:27 PM
I have my ear to the tracks…is that a train I feel?
SouthernGent on November 15, 2006 at 10:29 PM
Okay, so in which circle does the goal to institute sharia end? Or to prohibit pics of the Prophet? Or the headscarves, or the female-only basketball audiences, or the organized grievance groups?
Alex K on November 15, 2006 at 10:32 PM
Oh, and it’s a disgrace that in the so-called “Information Age,” our media is so reluctant to give us access to this kind of information. I’m always stunned when I see one of LGF’s reports on “Palestinian Child Abuse” (kids with weapons wearing jihadi attire and chanting evil propaganda) or one of those “car swarms” that the media always passes off as a group of men “inspecting” the wreckage of a car bomb. Why can’t they acknowledge that this is a lunatic mob taking joyful pleasure and souvenirs from a scene of mass murder? Anyway, I’m always stunned that we never, ever see any of this portrayed for what it is in the MSM.
Like it or not, our media is our “army” on the war’s other front: the propaganda war. And our media army is losing big time. Willingly.
aero on November 15, 2006 at 10:33 PM
I’d seen a lot of the MEMRI stuff piecemeal, but to see it all together makes for a compelling presentation. I’m shocked this aired on CNN.
Kid from Brooklyn on November 15, 2006 at 10:33 PM
“Islamists.”
Allahpundit on November 15, 2006 at 10:35 PM
A wise man once said ” Islam is not a religion it is a form of government. Islam should not be protected as a religion under the US Constitution. A case could be made to argue that point.” Oh yeah it was me! more like wise guy.
sonnyspats1 on November 15, 2006 at 10:37 PM
Great episode, I hope everyone gets a chance to see. A quick FYI, Beck has only been on HLN since March of April, so he hasn’t been trying to get this approved for a year ;^)
tnculp on November 15, 2006 at 10:40 PM
Mencken once said that it was the job of the newspapers (media/”journalists”/whatever) to comfort the afflicted and to afflict the comfortable.
Today, they try not to offend the volatile and try the damnedest to afflict the comfortable of the party opposing *THEIR* party.
Still, the media’s not supposed to “give us access”. Citizenship still requires homework. We can no more trust the media today to keep us informed than the regular schmoe of Mencken’s day, when Hearst stalked the Earth.
If we blog, check MEMRI, surf around, we get a fuller picture…and that isn’t even as complete as it might be. Then, when you least expect it, somebody makes sense.
Still, it’s our responsibility to be informed citizens.
Kudos, Glenn.
Puritan1648 on November 15, 2006 at 10:41 PM
Beck said (somewhere…Rush’s show?) that he had to go to the mattresses to get the show done, but that he got “very high level support at CNN” from someone. So be it. He also got enormous institutional resistance, but that could be for a variety of reasons.
I personally feel it was good tv, but that the information that was aired is all stuff we’ve seen before, and less. I think Obsession was a little more jarring, actually.
For those who really feel the need to ratchet up the paranoia, read Steyn or Derbyshire on the macro societal issues that seem to be rolling in our direction and threatening to crush us. Birth rates, anyone?
Jaibones on November 15, 2006 at 10:50 PM
I know. Which is what is so discouraging. I (and all of us who are here) make the effort to be informed. But we are a pathetically tiny portion of our society. Too many of our fellow citizens are of the type that you see on Jay Leno’s “Jay Walkers” series–the ones who think Dick Cheney is the “American Bandstand guy.” If you tell these people that one out of 10 Muslims in the world want to kill us all, their eyes glaze over and they ask your opinion about Britney’s divorce.
aero on November 15, 2006 at 10:52 PM
Well Done Glenn!! Excellent program tonight!
Troy Rasmussen on November 15, 2006 at 10:52 PM
You know, I thought the show was good, but the whole time I was thinking the libs who were watching (if there were any) would still be blaming America for the hatred. I wish someone would develop a show that illustrates that the hatred has been there for a long, long time, way before GW and even Mr.Bill were around.
bloggless on November 15, 2006 at 10:53 PM
Yes, the pompous arrogance of their elitism is truly mind boggling. Thank God for the internet and talk-radio. The truth is out there for anyone who cares to see it.
infidel4life on November 15, 2006 at 10:58 PM
Yeah, it’s hard for a country/culture like ours, which is only about 200 years old, to wrap our minds around a thousands-of-years-old grudge. I think most Americans who hear Muslim leaders call George Bush a “Crusader” think it’s just hyperbole or a metaphorical expression. But it’s not–they really are still resentful and trying to punish Christians and western culture in general for the Crusades! And for being beaten back in southern Europe, etc over the course of hundreds of years.
Those who think Islamic extremism started with our invasion of Iraq are fools indeed.
aero on November 15, 2006 at 10:59 PM
…Please don’t forget who was willing to stick her neck out to make this video avaiilable on the net…
MsU
MsUnderestimated on November 15, 2006 at 11:05 PM
According to Robert Spencer, the Islamists (and their subsets) are the true traditionalist Muslims, following the teachings of the Koran and the Hadith, and Mohammad’s example. The “Muslims” in the graphic above are actually the apostates from the true religion. Is this accurate?
Hack Ptui on November 15, 2006 at 11:16 PM
venmax – I agree with you, the “moderate” muslim missed a golden opportunity to back up his letter condemning terror.
Glenn asked him why more Muslims don’t do as he did and the moderate blew it. He should have said, “I agree, more Muslims need to speak out.” or even something along your lines such as, “I think we need to RISE UP and take our religion back, we need to put a fatwa on Bin Laden, we need to find him and kill him ourselves, we need to form a militia to counter the insurgency in Iraq, we need to FIGHT
flagwaver on November 15, 2006 at 11:37 PM
(excuse me, accidently submitted comment before completion)
“we need to FIGHT THE JIHADISTS OURSELVES”
That’s what I wanted to hear him say, and I believe if he had said it that many others around the country would feel that the moderates are making their disgust known.
But instead of saying anything even close to this, he chose to say, “Since 9/11 there have been over 3000 statements made that are similar to mine….” sorry, but this is where be blew it.. This is the weak, same old story we get from the other so called moderate muslim groups such as CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations).
The muslim could have been exactly like the examples Glenn showed in the beginning of the show, where AhmadinnerJacket would say, “we honor all life, we want peace with the Jews” in front of the UN cameras, and then in private, back in Iran, he rants about “bringing a new holocaust to the Jews and eliminating them”
- thats how the guy at the end seemed to me, his answer to Glenn’s 60 million dollar question, “why don’t more muslims speak out against the radicals who have hijacked Islam” was greatly disappointing to me…
And I know they’re scared, but this man lived in the USA, and we have many living in the USA, and others around the world, so many of them, and they can’t speak out? They can’t find and destroy those within their own religion? In their own mosques and neighborhoods??
The only way to turn this around is via exposure. Americans need to see this show, we need to see what the hell we are up against… Entire generations of children being raised to hate Jews and Americans, just astonishing…
flagwaver on November 15, 2006 at 11:51 PM
I noticed in his interview Glenn asked Dr. Abdulah Can we expect the same fate as the Europeans are experiencing now? The good DR.had to think about that one. RKBA!
sonnyspats1 on November 15, 2006 at 11:58 PM
The Venn diagram (”Muslims -> Islamists -> Salafists -> Jihadists”), though very well done, is inaccurate.
RD on November 16, 2006 at 12:30 AM
I had my teenagers and 9 year old watch this as they may well be fighting this battle for years to come. The cartoon propaganda and the childrens stories shocked them the most. My daughter (whom I am finding out is somewhere to the right of me and Ghenghis khan!) thought we should nuke a town for every roadside bomb that killed an American soldier and that we should start with Fallujah. This was two years or so ago. Out of the mouths of babes….At any rate, we’d best get to the “know your enemy” phase of things in this country pretty quick.
serenity on November 16, 2006 at 12:45 AM
I need to learn how to give tips to Allah and them. I had posted about this program at 6:15 PM CT at GOP and College
GOP and College on November 16, 2006 at 12:46 AM
…it ain’t paranoia if they’re *REALLY* out to get you.
Puritan1648 on November 16, 2006 at 12:53 AM
Beck and Crew did a great job with the special tonight.
Well done! America needs more like you, Glenn Beck.
techno_barbarian on November 16, 2006 at 1:05 AM
Agree (except with seeing them as already convicted of apostasy). Heading toward apostasy, yes – but probably not over the threshold irreversibly unless already confronted by pious Muslims (of any sect – Salafi, Shia or Sufi), advised of their crooked ways, and invited to change course (to no avail).
A Venn diagram drawn by Robert Spencer might have Muslims broken down into MINOs (Muslims in name only) and pious Muslims, who (by definition) are jihadists. That category might be further broken down into those who [merely] support jihad and those who actively perform jihad, but the distinction is not one of ideology, just one of personal choice (”how best to serve the jihad”).
And jihad can take different forms – fighting in regular armies, terror operations by individuals or small groups against infidels, demographic jihad (multiplying faster than the indigenous population in a given area), …
And though different sects may emphasize different forms of jihad (for instance, Salafists might go out of their way to emphasize terror operations over other, equally effective means of jihad), from my myopic standpoint at least, such choices are really questions of style and not substance.
The Venn diagram insinuates differences of substance that are just not there IMHO. Specifically, jihadism as a sub-ideology of a specific Islamic sect, when it is neither a separate ideology nor separable from Islam as a whole, does not square with what the Spencer/Trifkovic/Ye’or/Warraq canon purports to reveal; nor the idea that Islamism is somehow a different ideology from Islam (when Islamists practice nothing beyond the Islam of Mohammed and his followers, as reported by Mohammed’s biographer and affirmed unanimously by the Islamic schools of jurisprudence).
Or am I wrong?
RD on November 16, 2006 at 1:07 AM
OK, since AP seems to be answering questions, here goes.
Why, on page 14 of the report, in the table of the “Most Cited Modern Authors”, is the third from last author cited named RICHARD NIXON?
No kidding.
If AP or anyone else can answer that, I’d be much obliged.
Anyway, so far it is a good report. Excellent and innovative use of link analysis.
I have only gotten half way through it, but I like it.
The only other question I have, which may be answered later on, is how do they integrate Shiites into their model, if at all.
By the way, I’m not kidding. They really cited Richard Nixon as one of the influential modern authors.
*scrathes head*
EFG on November 16, 2006 at 2:35 AM
OK, I was wrong. I was finished with the report when I got to those tables. The 8 pages of tables were the end of the report.
So I guess I still don’t know why Richard Nixon was listed as a cited Modern Author for Jihad.
EFG on November 16, 2006 at 2:41 AM
Great job Glenn Beck did with “Exposed: The Extremist Agenda.” All I can add is that “Obsession” goes farther, and is a must-see for anyone who hasn’t yet done so. (See http://obsessionthemovie.com for film clips and DVD ordering information.)
SpartRan on November 16, 2006 at 2:41 AM
RD: Ok, we’ll just do a graph that says MUSLIMS = KILLERS. You’ll be very persuasive to those you’re trying to enlighten.
You do realize this material is being made not for the choir but for the people who don’t know.
Try to use some common sense about how to effectively communicate unpleasant truths with the objective of persuasion.
VinceP1974 on November 16, 2006 at 3:44 AM
I have had mixed results on telling people about the Glenn Beck special and about the problems we face.. lots of people are clueless sand don’t care. they look at me like I am a nut for even bring it up..
We are screwed, we have too many people (US Citizens and Europeans) who are are brain dead… why should we have to carry their dead weight? they just don’t care…
retired on November 16, 2006 at 3:47 AM
That would be wonderful.
The Republican leadership really cares enough to even bother to watch this program? (Gritting teeth. Counting to ten.)
And fish can juggle bowling balls!
The Republican leadership is probably out eating $100.00 per selection in some swank restaurant, or sharing a bed with some $5,000 per night, elite call girl who attends medical school during the day.
The Republican leadership might be presently working out deals with some sneaky representative from Mexico, Saudi Arabia, or some other country on how to line one another’s pockets by getting over on US citizens, putting us more at risk by granting amnesty to illegal invaders.
Of course the Republican leadership might be sharing the showers with Democrats, laughing at having gotten over on the voters. Ha! Ha! Ha!
The Republican leadership might even been sending emails to teenaged boys, or even hanging out in some hotel with a teenaged page, taking photographs of one another naked with their digital camera, or their Polaroid camera. When will they show up on the internet, or on CNN, MSNBC, the BBC, or the New York Times?
Perhaps the Republican leadership is talking to their overseas account manager, being certain that their millions from shadey deals behind the voters’ backs, ripping off the taxpayer and betraying conservatives’ trust, are squirreled away safely.
Of course, the Republican leadership might be either working out another way to sell out pro-lifers, Christians, Jews, Israel, or human embryos for medical experiments. Or they could be having a friendly chat with a Grand Mufti type, talking about how wonderful Islam is and how we can all get along if only we could just submit and become Dihmmies.
I don’t trust the Republican leadership.
Where’s Michael “The Man of Steel” Steele when we need him?
The Republican leadership isn’t leadership. They are sell outs! They don’t care about conservative values and they could care less about watching such a film.
I doubt they will watch it. They have so many better things to do, like any from the list above.
(snicker, snicker.)
William
William2006 on November 16, 2006 at 4:25 AM
I have been feeling the same way for a few years now and the depth of this feeling has become much deeper these past few months!
William
William2006 on November 16, 2006 at 4:30 AM
So has CAIR issued a fatwa against Glenn Beck yet today?
infidel4life on November 16, 2006 at 10:25 AM
In 1994 (the year listed in the report next to Nixon’s name) Nixon published a book called Beyond Peace. He must have wrote something in it that interests the jihadis.
VinceP1974 on November 16, 2006 at 10:32 AM
Is there a stupider person on television than Glenn Beck? Are there no standards at all anymore?
honora on November 16, 2006 at 10:44 AM
Here’s a couple of vids from Robert Spencer’s appearances on Beck’s show.
Not yet, but don’t worry, Soros and his Leftists minions will take CAIR of it.
Pablo on November 16, 2006 at 10:52 AM
If you have to ask, you’ll never know. But maybe you’ll figure it out if you hang out here.
Soooo, what’s so stupid about Glenn Beck?
Pablo on November 16, 2006 at 10:54 AM
It looks like you are right, VinceP1974. Although interestingly enough, 1994 on the chart refers to the year Nixon died, it is also the year that the book you mentioned was published.
I found a brief quote about the book on a Website called “The American Muslim” (T.A.M. Homepage)
This is a new day, or at least could be. As Richard Nixon said twelve years ago in his last book, Beyond Peace, erroneously attributed to me, “The twentieth century has been a period of conflict between the West and the Muslim world. If we work together we can make the twenty-first century not just a time of peace … but a century in which, beyond peace, two great civilizations will enrich each other and the rest of the world.”
Keep in mind that I am NOT saying that this page is linked to or associated with extremeist Muslims. I have no idea about that. Since I know nothing at all about this organization beyond finding a mention of Nixon’s book in their site using a Google search, plus the fact that this HotAir post is about Jihadists, I don’t want to unfairly link this possibly Moderate Muslim site with a bunch of Jihadists. (Or as the CTC reports likes to call them, Qutbists or Qutbi)
So here is a brief exerpt from their “About Us” page:
The American Muslim is dedicated to the promotion of peace, justice, and reconciliation for all humanity. We strive to:
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Provide an open forum for the discussion of ideas and issues of concern to Muslims in America from various points of view (based on Qur’an and Sunnah) representing no one school of thought, ethnic group or organization, but to encourage all to be represented in these pages and to speak for themselves.
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Provide a forum for and encourage inter-community dialogue particularly on divisive issues, and to encourage interfaith dialogue to find common ground for cooperation on issues of mutual concern
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Provide the most comprehensive information possible about individual and group efforts and projects to enable networking and cooperative effort.
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Offer support and encouragement and provide shura (consultation) to those who are speaking publicly on behalf of the Muslim community
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Help Muslims with a deep personal commitment to Islam and to America to locate each other. Help people of faith (Muslims, Christians and Jews) who share our concern for dialogue, peaceful resolution of problems to find each other so they can work together.
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Provide a balanced, moderate, alternative voice focusing on the spiritual, dimension of Islam rather than the more often heard voice of extreme political Islamism.
(Emphsis mine)
EFG on November 16, 2006 at 11:06 AM
That was a good YouTube link, Pablo.
Thanks.
EFG on November 16, 2006 at 11:19 AM
One could say the same thing about you posting on here…after all you are the one lying about President Bush connecting Saddam to 9/11….
rocked on November 16, 2006 at 11:34 AM
Oh come on Pablo, if you have watched this guy, I know you are discerning enough to know what’s so stupid about him. Keith used to be very entertaining, as he has come to see himself as a self-styled crusader against Bush, he is becoming a colossal bore. Oddly, his ratings are going up, proving I suppose that there are the slack-jawed on both sides of the political spectrum.
honora on November 16, 2006 at 1:11 PM
I listen to his radio show fairly often. He’s a number of things, but stupid isn’t one of them. I haven’t watched much of his TV show, but I assume he’s the same guy there. Apparently, my discerner is failing so you’ll have to explain it to me.
Keith was entertaining on Sportscenter, but that was a loooong time ago. So, he’s doing a better job of pulling up the rear now?
Pablo on November 16, 2006 at 2:01 PM
Keith’s ratings have probably been going up thanks to AP posting all his screeds here for our viewing displeasure. It’s like a trainwreck–you’re horrified at the spectacle, yet you cannot turn away.
Hack Ptui on November 16, 2006 at 2:11 PM
See below: in the money demo, Keith is about 70% of O’R, he has been picking up quite a bit.
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/default.asp
In total numbers, O’R beats him more soundly as O’R has big numbers in the over 70 demo. (Go figure, huh?)
honora on November 16, 2006 at 2:17 PM
The women at The View.
Keith Olberman.
David Letterman.
Bill Maher.
Chris Matthews.
Katie Courick
That is just a short list.
I suppose they get jobs on television because stupid people must have television shows to watch which have stupid hosts to parrot the pabulum of the looney toon fringe.
William
William2006 on November 16, 2006 at 2:24 PM
Is there a stupider person on television than Glenn Beck? Are there no standards at all anymore?
honora on November 16, 2006 at 10:44 AM
Yes we know, Bush is stupid, Glenn is stupid, all of us here are stupid. I’ll prefer being stupid and alive to being smart and dead any day genius!
soulsirkus on November 16, 2006 at 3:09 PM
Bush, whose college performance and IQ and aptitude out ranks Gore and Kerry is stupid, but they, with their outrageous behavior and idiotic sayings, are not stupid?
Bush, who risked his life strapping himself to a jet engine and flew a fighter jet, protecting our skies, is a “draft dodger,” while Kerry, who served four months is a “war hero.”
Kerry and Gore, and Pelosi, and others act like mental patients, eyes bugging, voices screaming and crackling, but they are never accused of being insane or crazy, but Bush is called a “liar” and more.
Who is truly stupid in all of this?
The inmates are running the asylum.
William
William2006 on November 16, 2006 at 3:23 PM
Instead of commenting on the content of the show, Honorista (in typical liberal fashion) attacks the host and calls him stupid without telling us how or why.
Putting that aside, do you have anything constructive to add to discussion of the show? Did you even SEE the show? If not, the basic premise was this: Radical islamic extremists are teaching their kids to hate you and how to kill you and rule the world, and have been doing so for a thousand years. Your comment?
Tony737 on November 16, 2006 at 3:40 PM
I thought it was lacking, I kept waiting for the big climactic segment to pull it all together. Beck didn’t put much in the way of “jaw Dropping” speeches or even the more inflamatory Ahm-a-whack-job speeches in his piece. I’ve seen stronger content here and on MEMRI.
Heh and that weird infomercial that followed it was disturbing. That broad looked like that strange doctor that kept giving every one shots in the movie Cannonball Run. And the guy who’s snake oil she was pitching looked like someone on the naughty list from Beck’s show.
Alden Pyle on November 16, 2006 at 3:53 PM
Alden, I thought it could’ve hit a little harder too, and I think that’s because we’re used to it. But to people who don’t follow along the way we do, this stuff is pretty serious.
Tony737 on November 16, 2006 at 4:18 PM
By me.
honora on November 16, 2006 at 4:21 PM
Let’s see:
As you may know, Beck got his start in radio by winning a contest. Kinda makes you wonder who the runners up were.
honora on November 16, 2006 at 4:30 PM
Yeah, that’s nice, but what is your take on the show about islamic radicals teaching their children “Death to America” and “Jews are apes and pigs”?
Ah forget it, let’s talk about something liberas DO unserstand: Like, ohmygod, Britney Spears is like TOTALLY awesome for dumping K-Fed!
Tony737 on November 16, 2006 at 5:13 PM
Ah, so you think people with opinions you don’t like are stupid? Guess what that makes you? Stupid. Did you even watch the show, or are you just here to blow smoke?
At 13 years of age and he’s been doing it since. Do you really think he’s stupid, honora, or does he frighten you with his scary words? Is he like the evil genius Bushitler or is he more the bumbling Chimperor sort of guy?
Pablo on November 16, 2006 at 5:17 PM
I don’t think much of Britany.
I enjoy jazz singers, male or female. I prefer classically trained singers, including Cecilia Bartoli, Sarah Brightman, and actress-singer (vocalist) Emmy Russum – Christine in the movie version of Andrew Lloyd Weber’s “Phantom of the Opera,” or Placido Domingo, and others.
Actresses? I enjoy actresses from China, India, etc., such as Kajol from India – Bollywood movies, or Gong Li and others from China.
Britany’s behavior, and her choices of mates reveals a serious lack of good judgement.
Poor, poor Britany.
William
William2006 on November 16, 2006 at 5:39 PM
FYI, Beck said on his show tonight that there’s been so much demand to see this segment that he’s re-airing it on Sunday. Also, Netanyahu will be on for the entire hour tomorrow (Friday).
Hack Ptui on November 16, 2006 at 8:26 PM
Good, America needs to hear more from B-Net the Yahoo. He’s lived through what we’ll soon be seein’ here IF WE STOP FIGHTING OVER THERE!
Tony737 on November 16, 2006 at 9:41 PM
What Beck and Obsession the movie point out is the MSM is seriously criminal in that they do not translate the speeches and rallies they use as A or B roll as so much window dressing in their reports from the middle east.
When was the last time you saw a speech or coverage from the middle east with subtitles?
How are we supposed to understand what they are saying in Arabic if CNN, ABC, NBC, FOX, and CBS do not bother to find out what these terrorists are saying in their native tonque.
That is how the MSM is getting away with their propaganda reports on Iran and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
ScottyDog on November 17, 2006 at 1:24 AM
I actually watched part of this last night. Beck pronounces the noun expose (there should be an accent on the final e, can’t remember how to do that, as 2 syllables. Do I still think he’s stupid. Yeah I do.
Jon Stewart had a funny bit on Beck last night, mocking his “I’ve been to a mosque, I have Muslim friends” cringe inducing lead up to the truly remarkable “prove to me you won’t blow us up” remark to the Muslim congressman.
Hey Glenn, prove to me you’re not an asshole. (And I do have asshole friends…)
honora on November 17, 2006 at 9:54 AM
No Pablo. If that were the case, I would think you were stupid. And I don’t engage in dialogue with people I think are stupid.
honora on November 17, 2006 at 9:57 AM
I like the white background best…
RD on November 19, 2006 at 4:27 PM
What are you suggesting? That something I wrote above implies this equivalence?
When Allah enjoins all Muslims to offensive jihad to extend the reach of Islamic law, he does not command killing. The idea that Islamic jihad is synonymous with killing is a dangerous fallacy that interferes dramatically with our ability to understand the big picture — such as, for one, how jihad might possibly apply to all pious Muslims without straining credulity (”What? Now you’re saying all Muslims are killers? Or maybe you’re implying they ‘ought’ to be in order to be good Muslims??”).
And not only is this jihad not necessarily lethal (as we both know it can be merely violent, merely intimidating, or merely irritating), but not every member of the umma is expected to martyr themselves, only to support the jihad and not thwart it. Having said that, most of the jihad violence and intimidation committed in the world today is most certainly lawful, in all sects, and interfering with or condemning lawful jihad constitutes apostasy, in all sects. As a result I don’t believe a graphic purporting to clarify the subject but actually obfuscating such an important point demonstrates a high degree of common sense.
Careful. We play a dangerous game when we begin to use such arguments to sidestep legitimate questions about our own understanding of a problem. And I hope you’re not suggesting that there ought to be two different understandings that contradict on multiple levels, one for those who “know” and another for those who don’t.
As the graphic stands, not only is it inaccurate, but it is misleading. And that is not a good thing IMHO. Especially when your stated objective is to enlighten and educate.
Persuasion for its own sake not a virtue in my eyes. Exactly what truth are you trying to persuade someone of? That Muslims by and large buy into this picture? Or that they don’t, but that somehow we ought to because it’s the real one and Muslims are just too stupid to realize it?
And is it common sense to suggest that the root of the problem is really a sub-sect of Islam – more precisely, a sub-sect of Salafism called “jihadis”? If that were true, then as long as “moderate” Salafists managed to talk those renegades out of their irrationally conceived jihadism, such as by appealing to the true faith, then the coercive struggle to impose Islamic law on the rest of the world through jihad might cease.
Is that the kind of common sense you’re suggesting ought to preached?
If I deserve to be corrected (or reprimanded, as you seem to indulge) for anything I said above, it had better be on the substance of the issue and not on unverified preconceptions about the efficacy of its communication to newbies.
A disclaimer: I don’t know who I’m criticizing or how this discussion happens to sit with them, since I don’t know (and don’t care) who authored the graphic or for what specific purpose. But FWIW I still believe that it presents an excellent mechanism for conveying the Big Picture. And VinceP1974, I still look forward to the Spencer/Trifkovic/Ye’Or/Warraq version (or a revised 2nd draft), confident that whoever authors it will be employ common sense given they will be communicating with the wider world and not just a cadre of yes-men.
RD on November 19, 2006 at 4:29 PM
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