Americans were naive to believe that the conservative, Democrat freshmen Senators and House members are actually going to be able to “reform” anything like they promised. …

After Katrina, people would understand we have to stop the leaks in the barrier before we can even think about metering in some amount (of water in that case, in this case “guestworkers” or LEGAL immigrants). We just didn’t get the message out. That’s why I’m so pissed about Mel Martinez taking Mehlman’s place. Talk about adding salt to the wound. Jeez.

Unfortunately, the liberal media and open-borders Republicans have muzzled those who talk about it so the public does not even know it’s an option. They just have the straw man of: let them all stay and make them legal or get jack-booted thugs to drag them out of their homes and into cattlecars a-la Janet Reno.

NTWR, too true!
Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, I talked to here in Dallas wants something to be done to secure the borders and stop more immigration.
I just don’t understand the disconnect between the old Congressional GOPers and this problem–if they’d only had the Malkins to put up some decent legislation like Sensenbrenner’s and then pass it before they went on summer break, we’d be sitting in comfortable majorities in Washington DC virtually forever!
Who dropped the ball and why? I blame DeLay not being there anymore to soldier the bill through…
You can’t blame the President because he asked Congress to give him a bill in a national speech.

LOL. “The public will support our plan but the problem is they’re all f-cking stupid and we haven’t yet programmed them correctly”.

Ah, conservative elitism. Is there any other kind?

Grebrook on November 15, 2006 at 2:59 PM

Haha! Talk about elitism. I never said they would be too stupid to understand. That’s an interpretation taken with a heavy dose of personal, er, issues…

If the public were given the information about Attrition Through Enforcement, they would definetly be smart enough to know they like it. In fact,

By eight-to-one, Americans think it is unfair to grant rights to illegal immigrants while thousands of people wait each year to come to the United States legally. Fully eighty-six percent of Republicans think it is unfair, as do seventy-seven percent of Democrats.
Opinion Dynamics Poll for FOX News, April 4-5, 2006

Sixty-five percent of those surveyed said they would be willing to pay significantly higher prices for some goods and services should that be the result of tighter control of the southern U.S. border and a resulting lower number of undocumented workers.
Zogby Poll, March 31-April 3, 2006
Fifty-six percent of Americans polled say the U.S. should NOT grant temporary-worker status to foreigners who are here illegally, as this would make them and their families eligible for government services while they are here. We should not reward people who have broken the law, and this will encourage even more people to enter the United States illegally.
NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll, March 10-13, 2006

Unfortunately, the liberal media and open-borders Republicans have muzzled those who talk about it so the public does not even know it’s an option. They just have the straw man of: let them all stay and make them legal or get jack-booted thugs to drag them out of their homes and into cattlecars a-la Janet Reno.

Christmas for Grebrook might not come this year.

‘Cause, Chuckie might not be in charge after all….especially if his party loses the majority.

Jack Abramoff — the “gift” that keeps on giving.

Well, all the nightmares predicted and warned about before the elections are coming true. Cut and run in Iraq, creating rights for terrorists, Congress doors opened to groups like CAIR, intensified push to kill the NSA program, and now any hope for …

Closet moderate? Yep.

A liar? I guess that depends on if when he says he’s concerned about protecting the United States, you include our borders as part of the United States.

A jerk? Well he did call the Minutemen “vigilantes” because they were doing what he was unwilling to do.

I’m of the opinion that if it would stop him from going through with his amnesty plan, I’d be all for the Dems trying to impeach him (but for totally different reasons than the Dems). He is about to hurt this country in a way that could take us a very long time to recover from.

All the Bush’s are liars and frauds.

Boy, talk is cheap, huh?
That would make them just like the Clintons and therefore, Democrats.

I don’t think President Bush lies nor is he a fraud. He’s the real deal to me.
I’m proud he’s my President.
Damn glad to have voted for the man 4 times!

Ah, conservative elitism. Is there any other kind? — Grebrook

…well, there’s Leftist elitism. It held sway in what we know as Russia for a long, long time…then it went broke.

Note to the Greebster: totalitarian regimes based on impractical ideology *AND* “proprietary”, non-convertable currency need to work other means of income…raffles, sell t-shirts, bake sales…or they can develop their economies and foster competition and innovation…naaaaaaaaaaah….

Ah, conservative elitism. Is there any other kind?

Grebrook on November 15, 2006 at 2:59 PM

You’re funny.

In an ironic sort of way.

Everyone wants to pretend that Attrition Through Enforcement does not work. Well guess what? It does. And that’s what the public supports though they haven’t been given the information to know that yet. Just enforce the existing laws and half the illegals would self-deport! It’s not that hard.

I’m with you–let’s start enforcing the laws already on the books +border lock-down to prevent anymore coming in…
kaltes nailed it. It’s pro-security concerns above all that movitate me…that and the fact that my property taxes threaten to zoom out of sight and we’re swimming in these people here in Dallas (you can get your own personal gang of lawnmowers and maids muy cheapo!)
I wanna know who’s here and why!
The biggest mistake President Bush made after 9/11 was not to lock down both borders because we were at war (Canada, too).
Those AQ jihadis are gonna walk over the Rio Grande with a suitcase nuke and we’ll never know it until it’s too late.
Screw whoever’s President in ’08, I want something done yesterday!

“The public will support our plan but the problem is they’re all f-cking stupid and we haven’t yet programmed them correctly”.

So you like “The public will support our plan except they’re to f-cking stupid to know we don’t have one.” better?

Hey, who’s your majority leader pick, Grebrook? The new Dem A team is doing a heckuva job, aren’t they, brookie?

And that’s what the public supports though they haven’t been given the information to know that yet.

LOL. “The public will support our plan but the problem is they’re all f-cking stupid and we haven’t yet programmed them correctly”.

Ah, conservative elitism. Is there any other kind?

Because the public supports comprehensive immigration reform and opposes mass deportation.

This is the classic liberal and open borders republican straw-man argument. I haven’t seen “mass-deportation” offered in ANY bill. Not even the “tough” HR 4437. Mass deportation is what Janet Reno did to Elian Gonzales.

Everyone wants to pretend that Attrition Through Enforcement does not work. Well guess what? It does. And that’s what the public supports though they haven’t been given the information to know that yet. Just enforce the existing laws and half the illegals would self-deport! It’s not that hard.

Funny that we let a former ACLU lawyer get on the SCOTUS and these jerks won’t even let a qualified gal like Rogers Brown on, without even hearing her case! Ginsburg didn’t even answer any of the questions and we were stupid enough to confirm her. So much for the effing moral high ground. I’ve had it with that. I’d rather not put any judge on than one that’s acceptable to the likes of Schumer. ARGH.

Think what you like, but I swear the folks who voted D last week voted for border controls and more troops/harder fought war in Iraq.
I know that’s not what the Ds were offering, but that’s what the sheeple thought they were gonna get and maybe they were right.
They say the American people rarely get it wrong, at least not for long.

Jen the Neocon on November 15, 2006 at 1:45 PM

I agree completely. If the guestworker/amnesty is pushed through we should not have to pay taxes to support those who benefit. We are not being represented.

No Taxation Without Representation!!

For him, ready for his close up means a heart warming hob goblin smiley face.

Similarily, there is a reason why I used the phrase “who arrive after this comprehensive ‘reform’” when I defined what isn’t amnesty. By explicitly defining it to those not yet here (either illegally or legally), I implicitly excluded those here illegally from the definition of what isn’t amnesty.

That our leaders have chosen to extend the “guest worker” program to illegal immigrants does not render those definitions incorrect; rather, it renders those leaders imbeciles.

Now, can we please get back to the point AP was trying to make, which was the courts?

Did everything we want? What universe are you living in?!??

grebrook is living in another dimension, thirteen28. You know, the one where Bush is Hitler and Saddam wasn’t bothering anybody.