Breaking: Murtha says he’s got the votes to beat Hoyer; Update: Bumbling Abscam apologia video added!

posted at 5:12 pm on November 15, 2006 by Allahpundit

Two minutes ago on Hardball; the video’s coming. While you wait, chew on the latest from Kucinich, who’s supporting him over Hoyer for majority leader.

Fresh from having his ass kissed, Joementum pronounces the Democratic withdrawal plan “a very serious mistake.”

Update: Zinni, Batiste, and now Abizaid.

Update: Here’s the clip. Matthews covered a lot of ground: sequentially, the race with Hoyer, Abscam, his dismissal of Pelosi’s ethics bill as “total crap” in a meeting with blue-dog Democrats the other night, and finally the raid on William Jefferson’s office. Matthews, to his credit, pressed him a bit on Abscam, but watch how he uses leading questions to get him out of trouble at the end of the second and third segments.

Here’s the background on the “total crap” remark. Good luck squaring this with what he tells Matthews:

“Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) told a group of Democratic moderates on Tuesday that an ethics and lobbying reform bill being pushed by party leaders was ‘total crap,’ but said that he would work to enact the legislation because Speaker-to-be Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) supports it,” John Bresnahan reports for Roll Call.

“Even though I think it’s total crap, I’ll vote for it and pass it because that’s what Nancy wants,” Murtha said, three sources at the meeting told the Capitol Hill newspaper.

And here’s an account from WaPo of what Steny Hoyer said almost a year ago about the consequences of precipitous withdrawal from it. Murtha refers to it at the beginning of the clip.

Pelosi (D-Calif.) aggressively endorsed a proposal by Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) to pull U.S. troops out of Iraq as soon as possible, leaving only a much smaller rapid-reaction force in the region…

House Minority Whip Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) issued a statement Wednesday that was in marked contrast to Pelosi’s. “I believe that a precipitous withdrawal of American forces in Iraq could lead to disaster, spawning a civil war, fostering a haven for terrorists and damaging our nation’s security and credibility,” he said.

Hoyer’s since been cowed by the base into moving towards Murtha’s position, which is too bad: his sentiments here are perfectly in line with what the three generals above mentioned are saying. Of course, they’re also in line with what Bush is saying. That’s why he had to abandon that position in the first place.

Update: You can watch the full interview here.

Update: Yeah, this might be relevant too:

Roll Call has stated that in early 2004, John Murtha “reportedly leaned on U.S. Navy officials to sign a contract to transfer the Hunters Point Shipyard to the City of San Francisco” and that “Laurence Pelosi, nephew of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, at the time was an executive of the company which owned the rights of the land.”

But that’s only the most recent chapter of Nancy Pelosi, John Murtha and San Francisco’s largest tract of undeveloped land.


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Who did he bribe?

jman on November 15, 2006 at 5:13 PM

Look, let them elect this guy. Another reason to beat the soup out of them.

RC2 on November 15, 2006 at 5:21 PM

Who did he bribe?

jman on November 15, 2006 at 5:13 PM

Damn you jman for being faster than me!!!

thirteen28 on November 15, 2006 at 5:23 PM

The Left, the Europeans, and the Palestinians are going to go nuts with the fact that a pro-Israel Jew holds the keys to the Senate.

pedestrian on November 15, 2006 at 5:27 PM

The DEMOCRATS now own the Global War on Terror. Lock, stock, and barrel.

Any terrorist strike upon the USA after January will be charged to the DEMOCRATIC party, because as of now, they are running Congress and they intend to pass “cut and run” legislation and kill the NSA terrorist tracking programs.

They also intend to overturn the military commissions legislation just passed, and to grant habeus corpus rights to terrorists we capture on the battlefield.

This is what Leahy, Levin, Durbin, and Reid are all saying.

Americans are going to die here because of these fools, make no mistake about it. And when that happens, there will be a backlash — not against Bush, but against the Democratic Party. The backlash may be so large as to destroy the Democrats as a political party for decades to come.

As Michelle says, they can’t help themselves. They can’t help being traitors to their own country.

georgej on November 15, 2006 at 5:31 PM

The Left, the Europeans, and the Palestinians are going to go nuts with the fact that a pro-Israel Jew holds the keys to the Senate.

pedestrian on November 15, 2006 at 5:27 PM
As ole Johnny Carson used to say “I did not know that”

sonnyspats1 on November 15, 2006 at 5:36 PM

Is it just me ( with my 15th Century Hungarian perspective ) or is Murtha increasingly looking like a cross between Tip O’Neill and Jabba the Hut?

Janos Hunyadi on November 15, 2006 at 5:36 PM

I’m shocked! Shocked! Well; not that shocked.

lorien1973 on November 15, 2006 at 5:37 PM

is Murtha increasingly looking like a cross between Tip O’Neill and Jabba the Hut?

If not in the Senate, he could be in polident commercials. Does he have top teeth at all or did they rot out?

lorien1973 on November 15, 2006 at 5:37 PM

is Murtha increasingly looking like a cross between Tip O’Neill and Jabba the Hut?

It could be worse. Allah is famous for posting “pinched” photos.

EF on November 15, 2006 at 5:39 PM

Do you think when Murtha and Pelosi are alone together he tries to “redeploy the troops to Okinawa”?

I’m trying to get that phrase to catch on as a sexual reference. How about a little help?

Also, I wonder if Webb’s plan for Iraq involves flipping the troops upside down before redeploying them.

That Webb joke will never die! Long live the Webb upside down penis joke!!

Rosetta on November 15, 2006 at 5:39 PM

Where are those great photoshops of Murtha that Allah posted a while back? We need to rerun those and create some new ones.

Heaven help us and “The US”.

journeyscarab on November 15, 2006 at 5:40 PM

Back when I used to drink, I woke up a lot of mornings wishing I had stopped myself before I did something I would regret. How long until the American voters get that same feeling? This isn’t a “honeymoon”, it’s a freaking hangover!!

BigOrangeAxe on November 15, 2006 at 5:44 PM

From the CNN Joementum piece:

Lieberman’s comments are a sign his defeat in the Connecticut Democratic primary has not weakened his hawkish stance on Iraq. Connecticut Democrats voted Lieberman out of the party in August, opting for vehement antiwar candidate Ned Lamont. Lieberman, running as an independent candidate, defeated Lamont in the general election.

They hold the Senate by the skin of Joe’s teeth and all of the first avowed Socialist ever, and CNN expects him to feel chastised by them having beaten them in the General? They should be kissing his ring.

Pablo on November 15, 2006 at 5:46 PM

Anyone have a stout enough constitution to swim in the filth of the lefty blogs to see what they’re saying about this? (Not me – I want to have children some day)

blogRot on November 15, 2006 at 5:46 PM

The netroots may be in for a bit of a surprise –

2006 Representative Murtha supported the interests of the Planned Parenthood 0 percent in 2006.

2005-2006 Representative Murtha supported the interests of the National Right to Life Committee 70 percent in 2005-2006.

2004 Representative Murtha supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 0 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Representative Murtha supported the interests of the National Right to Life Committee 91 percent in 2003-2004.

1995-2003 Representative Murtha supported the interests of the Planned Parenthood (House) 0 percent in 1995-2003.

rw on November 15, 2006 at 5:50 PM

So you are saying that if people were having rampant abortions in Iraq, Murtha would support the war? ;)

lorien1973 on November 15, 2006 at 6:01 PM

journeyscarab on November 15, 2006 at 6:04 PM

They hold the Senate by the skin of Joe’s teeth and all of the first avowed Socialist ever, and CNN expects him to feel chastised by them having beaten them in the General? They should be kissing his ring.

Pablo on November 15, 2006 at 5:46 PM

Was this part removed from the entry? I do not see that text on the page?

lorien1973 on November 15, 2006 at 6:08 PM

lorien1973, that was my comment. The first was the CNN quote. Blasted HTML!

Pablo on November 15, 2006 at 6:18 PM

Kucinich is such a space shot!

Corky on November 15, 2006 at 6:21 PM

Back when I used to drink, I woke up a lot of mornings wishing I had stopped myself before I did something I would regret. How long until the American voters get that same feeling? This isn’t a “honeymoon”, it’s a freaking hangover!! — BigOrangeAxe

…my dear old (colorful) Dad had an expression that covered this situation: “Woke up in the morning with a face full o’ hair…afraid to open my eyes!”

Puritan1648 on November 15, 2006 at 6:29 PM

GOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooo MURTHA. Maybe we can soend time indicting HIM!!!

seejanemom on November 15, 2006 at 6:32 PM

and SPEND time giving me keyboarding lessons.

seejanemom on November 15, 2006 at 6:33 PM

Murtha says he’s got the votes to beat Hoyer

…and I’ve got the “wedding tackle” to keep Eva Longoria in endless waves of ecstacy…but I just can’t seem to make the connection….

Puritan1648 on November 15, 2006 at 6:38 PM

lorien1973, that was my comment. The first was the CNN quote. Blasted HTML!

Yes. Another reason AP should install a VB forum on here :)

lorien1973 on November 15, 2006 at 6:47 PM

Americans are going to die here because of these fools, make no mistake about it. And when that happens, there will be a backlash — not against Bush, but against the Democratic Party. The backlash may be so large as to destroy the Democrats as a political party for decades to come.

As Michelle says, they can’t help themselves. They can’t help being traitors to their own country.

georgej on November 15, 2006 at 5:31 PM

I disagree. The liberal media, and democrats will blame the next attack on Bush, as will those who allowed the cut-and-run party back into power. Now if our few remaining Conservatives in Congress hit the talk circuit with that point we would have a chance, but I don’t see that happening.

Republicans should shout for inquiries into democrats with ethics problems, but I don’t see that happening either. Maybe someone will put a bug in their ears.

DannoJyd on November 15, 2006 at 7:07 PM

georgej:

The DEMOCRATS now own the Global War on Terror. Lock, stock, and barrel.

Any terrorist strike upon the USA after January will be charged to the DEMOCRATIC party, because as of now, they are running Congress and they intend to pass “cut and run” legislation and kill the NSA terrorist tracking programs.

Have you forgotten how Dhimms act? Anything good between now and 2008 will be their responsibility, “in spite of Bush.” Anything bad will be “because of Bush.” They have done this so many times in the past (and gotten away with it each time because of the drive-by media) that it is now second nature.

This is going to be an interesting two years…

rmgraha on November 15, 2006 at 7:25 PM

There are no good reasons for preferring Murtha to Hoyer as majority leader. There are also no good reasons for preferring Hoyer. There are FUN reasons for conservatives preferring that Murtha get the job, but Rush has already covered that ground.

So you are saying that if people were having rampant abortions in Iraq, Murtha would support the war? ;)

Islamists don’t believe in abortion, because it’s inhumane. And for the offense of even suggesting it, they will saw off your head with a dull, rusty knife! Aaiiiieeeeee!

Freelancer on November 15, 2006 at 7:39 PM

Murtha’s a complete joke. The R’s are going to have a field day with him if he’s elected Majority Leader, and the Dems are going to blast off into outer space with outrage over the R’s “attacking a Vietnam war veteran!!!!!!”

SisterToldjah on November 15, 2006 at 7:43 PM

“It wasn’t a envelope, it was a drawer full of cash…I wasn’t innerrested(sic)” – John Murtha

I think he’s a cross between Robert Byrd and Jabba the Hut – Murtha does not get enough credit for his pork skills.

forest on November 15, 2006 at 7:52 PM

So, Murtha plays “Softball” with Matthews.

Roll Call has stated that in early 2004, John Murtha “reportedly leaned on U.S. Navy officials to sign a contract to transfer the Hunters Point Shipyard to the City of San Francisco” and that “Laurence Pelosi, nephew of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, at the time was an executive of the company which owned the rights of the land.”

I’m so glad those “ethical” Democrats are in office now. I’m sure they’ll be quick to clean up the “corruption” they’ve been so keen to notice in the Republican party.

thedecider on November 15, 2006 at 7:54 PM

Is it just me ( with my 15th Century Hungarian perspective ) or is Murtha increasingly looking like a cross between Tip O’Neill and Jabba the Hut?

I’m starting to see a pronounced resemblence ‘tween him and Cindy Sheehan, myself.

docob on November 15, 2006 at 9:23 PM

Why does the letters D – E – S – P – E – R – A – T – E keep flashing across his forehead?

Griz on November 15, 2006 at 9:49 PM

Americans are going to die here because of these fools, make no mistake about it. And when that happens, there will be a backlash

There will be a backlash, if there’s anyone left to say something about it!

stonemeister on November 15, 2006 at 10:11 PM

forest, your Kung Fu is stronger than mine: a cross between Robert KKK Byrd and Jabba the Hut it is

He usually votes with the Repubs on issues like gun cotrol and abortion, but otherwise is a Mega-Govt liberal who gives new dimensions to words like “corrupt” and “tainted”

Janos Hunyadi on November 15, 2006 at 10:13 PM

I say let’s waterboard a confession out of Murtha. Or maybe buy one.

hillbillyjim on November 16, 2006 at 1:36 AM

Last week, scientists announced that the human gene pool seems to include DNA from Neanderthals.

John Murtha finally explained!!!

Free Kurdistan on November 16, 2006 at 2:08 AM

Chris Matthews and John Murtha on Hardbowels:
“Did you…crap…crap…crap…?”
“I only…crap…crap…crap…crap…”

Sounds like an episode of South Park.

pappy on November 16, 2006 at 8:39 AM

Did you notice how Murtha spun Pelosi’s commitment to an ethical congress? He said that it was important to improve the perception of ethical behavior. This smacks of plausible deniability!

And hey, let’s the make the best of the situation: Pelosi & Murtha driving congress might be almost as entertaining as Theresa Hines-Kerry as First Lady!

DR Good on November 16, 2006 at 11:33 AM

John Murtha – the ‘Frank Barone’ of the House

HOLY CRAP

dbdiva on November 16, 2006 at 2:24 PM