I knew there was something off about this guy when his book made him some sort of hero to millions of Christians looking for a “feel good” book. Sadly for his followers, he’s turned out to be a total clown…….

Possibly, it’s just vaguely possible that he is on to something. Stranger things have happened… I will pray for the man.

Warren may have crossed a line. I don’t think anyone can make a fair judgment based on the BS coming out of the state-run Syrian news agency. But don’t go to far the other way either. If feeding people and helping those who are sick is “worldly” then Jesus was worldly. In that regard, we are about transforming the world. That’s what Warren was there to do.

well said.

I’m still waiting to see some more news on this from something other than a warren basher or a lefty site. Funny how they seem to coincide in opinion.

In Christ’s name I ask for an explanation.

A Believing Brother,

Mike Ruetz

I hope you get a response. If you do I’d love to see it, and so would a lot of other people where I’m at.

Churches aren’t for the transformation of the world in any secular way.

I get what you’re trying to say…sort of.

Warren may have crossed a line. I don’t think anyone can make a fair judgment based on the BS coming out of the state-run Syrian news agency. But don’t go to far the other way either. If feeding people and helping those who are sick is “worldly” then Jesus was worldly. In that regard, we are about transforming the world. That’s what Warren was there to do.

Ugh.

Webutante

I would be very interested in any reply you receive.

Pastor Warren:

Mike Ruetz

It really floors me how readily you guys accept something from a middle eastern news agency that’s run by terrorists who are well known for taking every oportunity they get to twist, change, and flat out lie about situations in order to further their cause. — One Angry Christian

I don’t think that anybody’s rarin’ to jump on Mr. Warren’s case with both hob-nailed feet, or that they’re eager to accept bent news from the twisted news agency of a perverse regime…that said, Mr. Warren’s stepped out from behind the pulpit and his stepped into the arena. It’s not called “the arena” for nothing.

Myself, I don’t like what he’s preaching, quite frankly. His doctrine is weak, his focus is worldly. This may or may not be true, based upon the source, but it wouldn’t surprise me, seeing what he’s lent his name to in the recent past, and given the stances of some of our mainline churches.

Fundamentally, it boils down to evangelicals forgetting that churches exist to bring people to, as my catechism teaches, “glorify God and to enjoy Him forever”. Churches aren’t for the transformation of the world in any secular way.

Churches aren’t — or aren’t *supposed to be* — political action groups. The aren’t centers for “self-actualization” or self-improvement, self-esteem building or pop psychology. How you feel about yourself is not the business of the church. How you serve God is.

This applies to churches right, left and center.

So, if Mr. Warren’s idea of service is to rah-rah his message in Syria, a nation enabling the enemies of this country, nobody should be surprised if he ends up in a bad light, no matter what he’d intended to do.

Unless he went to Syria to convert Assad, he’s fair game.

Does Rick think Syrians will pick up his “How to do life” book and actually follow it?
He cant be that obtuse, can he?
Please help me here, what is he trying to do?
and , in SYRIA?????? of all places.

I think you’ve answered your own question. No, the Syrian Christians may not buy and read the book… but now the left will. Warren is heading further and further left, so now that he’s got enough evangelicals treating him the way housewives treat Oprah, he’s going to lead many of those who are just followers to the wrong side while at the same time opening up a whole new audience base to which he can sell millions of books. So to answer your question, “what is he trying to do?”… He’s trying to make money. I could be wrong, but I get a strange vibe out of this guy, and I feel more like he’s Dr. Phil than he is a follower of Christ.

This doesn’t compare, and I’m going to make the crazy assumption that Syrian Christians wouldn’t know Warren if they tripped over him. State controlled media, remember.

Is there nobody who will stand in the face of these Islamic nut jobs and just tell them off? I am sick and tired of everybody bowing and scrapping at the feet of these dictators.

LakeRuins on November 14, 2006 at 4:43 PM

Help me get elected and you’ll be able to savor the moment time and again!!

I’m pretty familiar with Warren’s writings and work too. And I think there’s probably a great deal of truth in the story. But even if the Syrian report is nothing but lies, Warren still put himself into a position where Assad could use him just by meeting with him.
Bryan on November 14, 2006 at 5:18 PM

B, I agree with you , he will get used, just watch.

Why, and how, on Gods green earth (no pun intended) could Warren get to Syria and in that office? Dictator Ass-ad. This can not have a good outcome, can it? Does Rick think Syrians will pick up his “How to do life” book and actually follow it?
He cant be that obtuse, can he?
Please help me here, what is he trying to do?
and , in SYRIA?????? of all places.

I’m not so sure you’re right. True, Syrian Christians will see the propaganda and the photo-op. But they, like us, are probably smart enough to know the Syrian press is propaganda.

If I were a Syrian Christian, I think it would be encouraging to know that someone like Warren was talking about human rights with Assad. Remember JP2’s trip to Poland. There was an undertone of solidarity which, in that case, made a difference.

It was his PEACE plan. No doubt this is already being used for propaganda. On the other hand, taking a human rights message to Assad isn’t exactly dhimmitude in my book.

Warren is savvy enough to know what he was getting himself into. It was a bad idea when John Kerry did it, and it’s a bad idea for Warren to do it. He could have talked until he was blue in the face, but the only impactful thing to come from the meeting is the photo op, and that’s not a good thing.

The real question: will all these lefty preachers put the evangellicals onto the blue side of the aisle?

Then the next question follows: Are Evangelicals the Republican base, or is it a bit more squishy than that?

I can’t help but see parallels between the Republican party’s treatment of Evangelicals and the Democrat party’s treatment of Blacks.

What’s a voting bloc to do when their ostensible party takes them for granted and ignores their issues?

In a statement to SANA staff writer following his meeting with Mr. Moualim, Pastor Waren described his meeting with President Bashar al-Assad on Sunday as friendly and great.

He underlined that his meeting with President Assad and Mr. Mouallim dealt with a number of issues related to peace, prosperity, combating poverty, education, and taking care of patients because they are human main issues.

It was his PEACE plan. No doubt this is already being used for propaganda. On the other hand, taking a human rights message to Assad isn’t exactly dhimmitude in my book.