Warren meets Assad

posted at 4:20 pm on November 14, 2006 by Bryan

Rev. Rick Warren met with Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad. This account of the meeting speaks for itself.

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DAMASCUS, (SANA)_ The meeting between President Bashar al-Assad and Pastor Rick Warren, a famous Protestant clergyman in the USA and an accompanying delegation on Sunday focused on the Syrian-American relations.

The American delegation stressed that the American administration is mistaken not to hold dialogue with Syria. The importance of dialogue among religions and achieving the just and comprehensive peace in the region which leads for stability and prosperity were emphasized during the meeting.

Dialogue? Syria is one of the pair of terrorist states that funds Hezbollah. It has kept a jackboot on Lebanon for far too long and continues to insert itself into Lebanese politics. Syria has stirred up trouble for Israel and for the US, in Iraq, and has been connected to anti-American terrorism for decades. So the question is, what’s the starting point for this dialogue, Rev. Warren?

Pastor Warren hailed the religious coexistence, tolerance and stability that the Syrian society is enjoying due to the wise leadership of President al-Assad, asserting that he will convey the true image about Syria to the American people.

He offered to President al-Assad a memorial drawing as a gift to the Syrian people for their generosity and hospitality, thanking their efforts exerted for maintaining peace and harmony.

This is why private citizens are banned from directly conducting foreign policy. They get used by the world’s dictators and thugs. Assad met perfunctorily with Warren, got the photo op, and now gets to add whatever propaganda angle he wants to the story, which was published in Syria’s state-run press. Warren can deny hailing Assad’s enlightened rule all he wants to when he comes back to the States, but Christians in Syria only see the propaganda version, which has the big American preacher lauding Assad’s enlightened rule (meanwhile, like most Islamic countries, Syria persecutes Christians). I doubt Syria’s Christian minority find this story encouraging. And that’s the nice way of looking at this. The less nice way is to assume that Warren did hail Assad, which he may well have on the naive assumption that dialogue and piling on the praise would do some good.


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Well, we all knew already that Warren’s a retard. This doesn’t change much of anything on our side.

mikeomatic on November 14, 2006 at 4:25 PM

He wants to apply for dhimminitude early,to beat the rush I guess,

bbz123 on November 14, 2006 at 4:26 PM

Ooooohhhh, so these are the “Evangelicals” who switched sides. No wonder I didn’t know any who voted for the Dems.

Yeah, a retard, for sure.

Editor on November 14, 2006 at 4:40 PM

Is there nobody who will stand in the face of these Islamic nut jobs and just tell them off? I am sick and tired of everybody bowing and scrapping at the feet of these dictators.

LakeRuins on November 14, 2006 at 4:43 PM

…seems Warren is trying to do for American foreign policy what he’s been doing for Protestant theology. “No creeds but deeds”, eh, Ricky? How’s that environmental “Christian stewardship” thing goin’, eh?

…someone get a ladder…this guy needs to get over himself….

Puritan1648 on November 14, 2006 at 4:46 PM

Warren need to read the part in Matthew 7 about false teachers. His throat is an open grave.

PRCalDude on November 14, 2006 at 4:47 PM

Anyone who knows Rick Warren would know that what’s being written couldn’t possibly be true.

I would wager that his visit wasn’t even for the reasons given. I could be completely wrong, but I’m very familiar with his writing, work, and ministry. I seriously doubt it.

One Angry Christian on November 14, 2006 at 5:01 PM

Oh goodie. Another Jesse Jackson.

spmat on November 14, 2006 at 5:12 PM

I’m pretty familiar with Warren’s writings and work too. And I think there’s probably a great deal of truth in the story. But even if the Syrian report is nothing but lies, Warren still put himself into a position where Assad could use him just by meeting with him.

Bryan on November 14, 2006 at 5:18 PM

…actually, the whole “court the Third World”, pro-Arab thing is not exactly new among prominent Protestants. The Presbyterian Church USA has been almost taking the lead on the whole “divest from Israel” movement. The Episcopal “Church” had an effort to “bring down the wall” that Israel’d built to keep the bad guys out.

Not about to get into what the believe doctrinally, they’re pretty leftist secularly. They may be reacting to the Christian Zionism of the more secularly right-wing denominations…I don’t know. You know the drill: they like *this*, then it *must* have cooties, so’s I’ll like *that*.

So much for ecumenism.

Puritan1648 on November 14, 2006 at 5:30 PM

Pastor Warren hailed the religious coexistence, tolerance and stability that the Syrian society is enjoying due to the wise leadership of President al-Assad, asserting that he will convey the true image about Syria to the American people.

I can’t wait to hear what Warren will convey to us – Keep in mind, Reverend, lying is a sin.

Rick on November 14, 2006 at 5:31 PM

How ’bout taking up a collection to ship Fred Phelps to witness to the heathens in Syria…

elgeneralisimo on November 14, 2006 at 5:32 PM

…how about taking up a collection to ship Fred Phelps to witness to heathens in his own family?

Ever get a gander at Shirley? Like a sleeping bag full of spiders…nuclear scarry….

You have to wonder about folks who live in a “compound”….

Puritan1648 on November 14, 2006 at 5:39 PM

Don’t put your faith in men. They’ll always let you down. I read that somewhere…

Matticus Finch on November 14, 2006 at 5:44 PM

Warren is going further and further left… I haven’t found the time to read this article yet, but he’s already jumped on the “Global Warming” bandwagon. Again, I haven’t read the article and what I gather could be wrong, but we’ll see.

RightWinged on November 14, 2006 at 5:48 PM

I’m pretty familiar with Warren’s writings and work too. And I think there’s probably a great deal of truth in the story.

It really floors me how readily you guys accept something from a middle eastern news agency that’s run by terrorists who are well known for taking every oportunity they get to twist, change, and flat out lie about situations in order to further their cause.

Seriously, it seems almost like some of the readers are predisposed to buy into it even though the source is beyond less than credible.

But even if the Syrian report is nothing but lies, Warren still put himself into a position where Assad could use him just by meeting with him.

That I will agree with. Being that I don’t know the man personally, I haven’t a clue what could have put it in his head that he should do something like that.

I don’t assume to know, and I’m not about to take the word of a state run news source run by terrorist sympathizers.

One Angry Christian on November 14, 2006 at 5:52 PM

Warren hasn’t just jumped on the global warming bandwagon–he’s trying to lead thousands of churches onto that same bandwagon.

Bryan on November 14, 2006 at 5:53 PM

Well, with Ted Haggard and his “Creation Care” environmental agenda in turmoil, Warren will probably expand to fill that niche as well.

see-dubya on November 14, 2006 at 5:53 PM

We’re going to have to get a bigger box to keep all of these tools in.

Pablo on November 14, 2006 at 5:54 PM

One Angry, I’ve done quite a bit of homework on Warren, which is posted at my old blog. Here’s my take on his PEACE Plan. Here’s Warren’s assessment of the ministry of Christ (he leaves out one major event, btw). Here are the Purpose-Driven Follies. And the Hula church. And here’s blogger Tim Challies fisking Warren’s Ladies Home Journal column.

Just so you know that I’m not taking the Syrian news agency at face value.

Bryan on November 14, 2006 at 6:00 PM

The real question: will all these lefty preachers put the evangellicals onto the blue side of the aisle?

I say yes. What say you?

spmat on November 14, 2006 at 6:03 PM

And it’s not like Warren doesn’t know how to play hardball now and then. In fact, he’s all in favor of ostracizing difficult cases–in other words, people who aren’t purpose-driven. Assad, though, we should engage and dialogue with.

see-dubya on November 14, 2006 at 6:13 PM

I think it’s unlikely Warren said what he is supposed to have said. One of the half dozen stories on this gives a bit of detail of what he discussed with Assad:

In a statement to SANA staff writer following his meeting with Mr. Moualim, Pastor Waren described his meeting with President Bashar al-Assad on Sunday as friendly and great.

He underlined that his meeting with President Assad and Mr. Mouallim dealt with a number of issues related to peace, prosperity, combating poverty, education, and taking care of patients because they are human main issues.

It was his PEACE plan. No doubt this is already being used for propaganda. On the other hand, taking a human rights message to Assad isn’t exactly dhimmitude in my book.

John on November 14, 2006 at 7:15 PM

The real question: will all these lefty preachers put the evangellicals onto the blue side of the aisle?

Then the next question follows: Are Evangelicals the Republican base, or is it a bit more squishy than that?

I can’t help but see parallels between the Republican party’s treatment of Evangelicals and the Democrat party’s treatment of Blacks.

What’s a voting bloc to do when their ostensible party takes them for granted and ignores their issues?

Pablo on November 14, 2006 at 7:19 PM

It was his PEACE plan. No doubt this is already being used for propaganda. On the other hand, taking a human rights message to Assad isn’t exactly dhimmitude in my book.

Warren is savvy enough to know what he was getting himself into. It was a bad idea when John Kerry did it, and it’s a bad idea for Warren to do it. He could have talked until he was blue in the face, but the only impactful thing to come from the meeting is the photo op, and that’s not a good thing.

Pablo on November 14, 2006 at 7:22 PM

Pablo,

I’m not so sure you’re right. True, Syrian Christians will see the propaganda and the photo-op. But they, like us, are probably smart enough to know the Syrian press is propaganda.

If I were a Syrian Christian, I think it would be encouraging to know that someone like Warren was talking about human rights with Assad. Remember JP2’s trip to Poland. There was an undertone of solidarity which, in that case, made a difference.

John on November 14, 2006 at 7:35 PM

I’m pretty familiar with Warren’s writings and work too. And I think there’s probably a great deal of truth in the story. But even if the Syrian report is nothing but lies, Warren still put himself into a position where Assad could use him just by meeting with him.
Bryan on November 14, 2006 at 5:18 PM

B, I agree with you , he will get used, just watch.

Why, and how, on Gods green earth (no pun intended) could Warren get to Syria and in that office? Dictator Ass-ad. This can not have a good outcome, can it? Does Rick think Syrians will pick up his “How to do life” book and actually follow it?
He cant be that obtuse, can he?
Please help me here, what is he trying to do?
and , in SYRIA?????? of all places.

shooter on November 14, 2006 at 7:37 PM

Is there nobody who will stand in the face of these Islamic nut jobs and just tell them off? I am sick and tired of everybody bowing and scrapping at the feet of these dictators.

LakeRuins on November 14, 2006 at 4:43 PM

Help me get elected and you’ll be able to savor the moment time and again!!

Viper1 on November 14, 2006 at 7:39 PM

John, while he has a following, Warren doesn’t have nearly the gravitas that a Pope has. A papal visit is a state function with an entirely different dynamic. And when JP II went to Poland, he was going home.

This doesn’t compare, and I’m going to make the crazy assumption that Syrian Christians wouldn’t know Warren if they tripped over him. State controlled media, remember.

Pablo on November 14, 2006 at 7:48 PM

Does Rick think Syrians will pick up his “How to do life” book and actually follow it?
He cant be that obtuse, can he?
Please help me here, what is he trying to do?
and , in SYRIA?????? of all places.

I think you’ve answered your own question. No, the Syrian Christians may not buy and read the book… but now the left will. Warren is heading further and further left, so now that he’s got enough evangelicals treating him the way housewives treat Oprah, he’s going to lead many of those who are just followers to the wrong side while at the same time opening up a whole new audience base to which he can sell millions of books. So to answer your question, “what is he trying to do?”… He’s trying to make money. I could be wrong, but I get a strange vibe out of this guy, and I feel more like he’s Dr. Phil than he is a follower of Christ.

RightWinged on November 14, 2006 at 8:15 PM

It really floors me how readily you guys accept something from a middle eastern news agency that’s run by terrorists who are well known for taking every oportunity they get to twist, change, and flat out lie about situations in order to further their cause. — One Angry Christian

I don’t think that anybody’s rarin’ to jump on Mr. Warren’s case with both hob-nailed feet, or that they’re eager to accept bent news from the twisted news agency of a perverse regime…that said, Mr. Warren’s stepped out from behind the pulpit and his stepped into the arena. It’s not called “the arena” for nothing.

Myself, I don’t like what he’s preaching, quite frankly. His doctrine is weak, his focus is worldly. This may or may not be true, based upon the source, but it wouldn’t surprise me, seeing what he’s lent his name to in the recent past, and given the stances of some of our mainline churches.

Fundamentally, it boils down to evangelicals forgetting that churches exist to bring people to, as my catechism teaches, “glorify God and to enjoy Him forever”. Churches aren’t for the transformation of the world in any secular way.

Churches aren’t — or aren’t *supposed to be* — political action groups. The aren’t centers for “self-actualization” or self-improvement, self-esteem building or pop psychology. How you feel about yourself is not the business of the church. How you serve God is.

This applies to churches right, left and center.

So, if Mr. Warren’s idea of service is to rah-rah his message in Syria, a nation enabling the enemies of this country, nobody should be surprised if he ends up in a bad light, no matter what he’d intended to do.

Unless he went to Syria to convert Assad, he’s fair game.

Puritan1648 on November 14, 2006 at 8:21 PM

My email to pastor Warren at Saddleback Church

Pastor Warren:

I recently read about your visit to Syria in a post at Michelle Malkin’s blog. I hope your visit has been sorely misrepresented, because if it hasn’t you have tragically lost your way.

It should be immediately evident to you based on your knowledge of scripture that God the Father NEVER tolerates those who use power to oppress and terrorize, yet it appears you’ve overrulled God’s unambigous hatred for thugs by flattering – if not consorting with – one of the preeminent world criminals of our time: Bashar Assad.

With your bible training no one should have to point out to you the uncomplicated distinction between our personal calling to “turn the other cheek”, and government’s God ordained obligation to bear the sword for the sake of true justice. You are treading extremely dangerous ground when you entertain sworn enemies of God’s people, Israel. Worse still, you may be grossly misrepresenting our Holy God before thousands of gulllible followers and leading them down a most treacherous road.

If I have misunderstood your purpose in meeting with Asad, please recognize I can only rely on information I have. If you are able to revise the record and show a genuine scriptural purpose for your visit I’d be much relieved to hear it.

In Christ’s name I ask for an explanation.

A Believing Brother,

Mike Ruetz

The Ritz on November 14, 2006 at 8:46 PM

Thanks Mike, well said.

I would be very interested in any reply you receive.

y2church on November 14, 2006 at 10:26 PM

Rick Warren is a shining example of purpose driven hubris.

Ugh.

Webutante

Webutante on November 14, 2006 at 10:57 PM

Puritan,

Churches aren’t for the transformation of the world in any secular way.

I get what you’re trying to say…sort of.

Warren may have crossed a line. I don’t think anyone can make a fair judgment based on the BS coming out of the state-run Syrian news agency. But don’t go to far the other way either. If feeding people and helping those who are sick is “worldly” then Jesus was worldly. In that regard, we are about transforming the world. That’s what Warren was there to do.

John on November 14, 2006 at 11:19 PM

In Christ’s name I ask for an explanation.

A Believing Brother,

Mike Ruetz

I hope you get a response. If you do I’d love to see it, and so would a lot of other people where I’m at.

One Angry Christian on November 15, 2006 at 9:53 AM

Warren may have crossed a line. I don’t think anyone can make a fair judgment based on the BS coming out of the state-run Syrian news agency. But don’t go to far the other way either. If feeding people and helping those who are sick is “worldly” then Jesus was worldly. In that regard, we are about transforming the world. That’s what Warren was there to do.

well said.

I’m still waiting to see some more news on this from something other than a warren basher or a lefty site. Funny how they seem to coincide in opinion.

One Angry Christian on November 15, 2006 at 2:28 PM

I’m a Warren skeptic, mainly because I’ve studied what he says compared to what the Bible says and found that he distorts verses routinely to fit his agenda. That doesn’t make me a “basher,” though. More like a watchdog.

Bryan on November 15, 2006 at 5:39 PM

Rightwinged, you might be right.
Has Rick Warren’s god changed to money, or maybe noteriety and the false power of leading?
I have his book, have not read it yet. Might be time to do so, see if he has changed or just doesnt practice what he preaches. But, SYRIA? He went straight for the devil himself.

Possibly, it’s just vaguely possible that he is on to something. Stranger things have happened… I will pray for the man.

shooter on November 15, 2006 at 6:31 PM