For my own part, I’m ready to go a’shoppin’. I hear that there’re governors out there with aspirations.

Puritan1648 on November 15, 2006 at 7:34 PM

That is right in line with my post. Go find a candidate you can support, do the work to get that person elected, and perhaps we will get the GoBernment we want, but to sit by and cast stones accomplishes not a thing. Indeed, the cut-and-runners allowed the party that they despise to regain power. *POOF* goes many conservative gains we’ve made over the past 12 years as well as many deserving conservative politicians. Sort of like cutting off your nose to spite your face, right?

So the cut-and-run Republicans wish to start their own party now? Fat chance of that happening since they would put as much effort into that as they did in supporting the House Republicans who actually earned our vote. Zero!

…and quit your incessant whining.– DannoJyd

…haven’t been listenin’, have ya, bubba.

Is it “The Republicans or nothing! The die is cast!” When did the Republican Freakin’ Party sign for the key to the Conservative Locker?

There’s been a fair bit of discontent that the Rebpublicans…waaaaaaaait for it…*HAVEN’T BEEN BLOODY LISTENING!*

Do we just sit there, like black America, and let “our party” walk rough-shod over us, assuming that we’ll just fall into line…head-down/butt-up/and shut-up?

As long as Bush remains in the white house it will remain a real task to push any Conservative Agenda, but it could begin if Conservatives ever get that simple fact through their heads….

…as long as Bush’s *BEEN* in office, it’s been like pulling teeth go push “any Conservative Agenda”. Been paying attention? Medicare drug coverage? Open borders? The I-35 corrider through Texas? “Bipartisanship”?

If we hitch up our britches, open our wallets, and just troop back to de back po’ch for massa’s leabin’s, we’ll get just that…de massa’s leabin’s. Hog maws, anyone?

The Democratic Party, flush with victory and an illusory mandate, is reeling like a 14-year-old with the key to Dad’s liquor cabinet. The Republican Party is grinding the seed corn as quickly as he can rip open the sacks! The patient, forgiving base *MIGHT* be a little p*ssed right now…and that’s not the least helped along by “pragmatists” who point out that the Two Party System means that we as conservatives are shackled to the *CORPSE* of whatever Republican Party presents itself.

Personally, I feel like a debutante with a rich daddy and a 40″ rack: I wanna be wooed! I want my suitor to sing paeans about my figure, my grace, my big bloody hair!

Since they *LOST* the election — and, make no mistake, the Dems didn’t “win” any bloody thing…the Republicans lost — they’ve been staggering around like a drunken suicide, carving bits of itself off and leaving ‘em littered behind it. Next stop, precipice.

So, don’t think that you’re “talking sense” here…and be judicious with words like “cut-and-run” and “whining”. This isn’t about ideological purity, separatism, or copping an attitude.

Conservative America — regardless of the Greebster’s boilerplate statistics — is the majority, both socially and economically. That majority has been represented less and less over the last six years…and some folks are just about fed up.

Don’t like it, go out and support Rudy G. or McCain. Open *your* wallet and spend *your* time tonguing envelopes for a guy who stands up for you 60% of the time, which means he sells you down the river 40% of the time…and consults you 0% of the time.

For my own part, I’m ready to go a’shoppin’. I hear that there’re governors out there with aspirations.

Find out just what the people will submit to and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress. —Frederick Douglass

The call is out for words, lots of them. Letters and phone calls to every Republican, whether you think they are good or bad. If we cannot articulate our displeasure with their tyranny, and be able to itemize it for them, they simply will not listen.

Kerry refused to listen to me (and thousands of others) when I wrote him about his “joke”. His response blamed the White House for my anger instead of his own idiocy, as if I were a robot under orders from Master Karl to send the senator an email. Sadly, this is how all too many of those in political power distance themselves from any accountability. “Ahh, that’s just the fringe talking”, or “That’s how the opposition party would want you to think”. It will require many, many individual calls, letters and emails to EACH member demanding constant accountability to their oath of office, before they will begin to see that there’s a need to change how they do business. And then the pressure must continue before that recognition of a need metastasizes into actual change.

As long as Bush remains in the white house it will remain a real task to push any Conservative Agenda, but it could begin if Conservatives ever get that simple fact through their heads, and let our POTUS that he will not have our backing of his liberal agenda.

Democrats ran on certain issues, and we need to keep on them about that. Failure to do so shows a complacent electorate, and in that atmosphere is when liberal politicians are allowed to get comfortable. While I doubt that the liberal electorate cares if they were lied to again there is no reason why Republicans cannot call for the next Congress to do as they said they would.

No matter what anyone here wants, they will have to actually work for it. Volunteer to help your conservative candidates in the next election, send as much money as you can afford to, send mail to Washington daily to let them know your demands, and quit your incessant whining. America voted, and we all got what the majority voted for.

13. Restoration of a real gold standard for all national financial business.

14. Abolition of NOA, NEA, IRS (for starters), institute the FairTax plan.

#13 Congress and Senate will be an unpaid position limited by 6 years in office.

#14 After leaving office, it is prohibited to receive a delayed bribe by being paid for speeches or accepting employment with any Government Contractor.

This is something that has to be done soon to be ready for 2008.

DeMint and Kyl and others could declare themselves “Independent” and caucus with the Repubs as they choose to, but the Repubs. would have to be worried about pleasing them — what a nice change.

I would hate to have to change party affiliation, but, as I see it now, we have a center-Left party, ours, and a hard-Left party, the Dems. Neither work for my interests or the long-term viability of the country I love.

This is exactly why Lindsey Graham will be defeated in the GOP primary down in SC.

And why the Democrats will have to thank you once again for handing us another FREEBEE in the general election. 2008 is already going to be a complete disaster for you guys. 21 Republicans up for election against just 12 Democrats. Fairly lopsided.

Ok, now we need a mascot or symbol. What should it be? — BacaDog

…OK…National Party…”The Nationals”….

I suggest the figure of the Minuteman statue (although I viscerally resist anything else in Yankeeland).

It reinforces the gun rights plank, and is very evocative. It’s often been logo’d.

6. Personal Responsibility

Point: gave this some thought. How do you quantify “personal responsibility”? It’s intrusive. I *SHOULD* be a given, so treat it like a given.

Instead:

*make #1 “Citizens Rights”. These could be sub-paragraphed as:

* “Personal Sovereignty”, as in “owning ones life, property and future without reference to community, state or any other power. This means not only personal privacy and protection from government and community intrusion, but the expectation that the citizen is his own boss”;

* “Local Sovereignty”, as in “owndership of the problem of serving the citizen. Solving problems and extending and funding services at the level closest to the citizen”;

* and “National Sovereignty”, as in “ownership and protection of our nation, state and local integrity, law enforcement, and upholding of national standards. America is a nation without reference to any other nation or group of nations”.

Then, of course, add the #’s 11 and 12 as discussed earlier.

New Party: The AMERICA FIRST PARTY

New Mascot: General George S. Patton saluting the American Flag

Here’s an idea: The National Party.
Puritan1648 on November 15, 2006 at 9:48 AM

I kinda like that Puritan. What’s everyone else think?

The color should be PURPLE, signifying the joining of the “best” of the red and the blue. It could be promoted as that, independents would like it.

stenwin77 on November 15, 2006 at 8:43 AM

Ok, now we need a mascot or symbol. What should it be?

Here’s an idea: The National Party.

I gave it some though, and enough rust fell away that I remembered the Washington Nationals baseball team.

For some reason, that appealed to me. The National Party. “The Nationals”.

Major League Baseball would probably sue for a cut.

More than likely if we managed to pull off a conservative 3rd party, sooner rather than later the far left would seize the opportunity to break away from the Democrats.

I assume at that point that moderate Democrats and Republicans would merge since they are basically the same.

Its a nice sound bite, but it doesn’t seem to mean anything.

Thanks for the info, janarius – I had wondered where Rudy stood on this issue. That’s a deal breaker for me, sorry Rudy supporters.

Me too. Can’t compromise on the alien issue.

Does anyone have a link or info on the new Senate/ House of each member’s stand on this issue? We’re going to have to get going on our “campaign” – FULL FORCE – soon.

Ideas?

The name has to appeal to those of us who feel abandonded by the GOP. Moms and Dads, families, kids, normal values, apple pie, honesty, integrity……….or reinvention of the old party rising from the ashes…

The American Party?

like a lot of you, last week i held my nose and voted for the repubs here in new hampshire. i am a life-long repub. the repub party used to be home to conservatism. it is becoming increasingly difficult to vote for rinos. the republican party better learn from this election. if not, the prospect of a third party, a home for conservatives becomes probable.
ronald reagan used to be a democrat. upon his switch to the repubs he said; “i didn’t leave the demo party, they left me”.
todays repub party is leaving conservatives. rinos should join the dhimms, blue dog dems should join the repubs, or a new conservative party will emerge.
jmho

I still have no ideas on a snappier name.

The name has to appeal to those of us who feel abandonded by the GOP. Moms and Dads, families, kids, normal values, apple pie, honesty, integrity……….or reinvention of the old party rising from the ashes…

Gotta be a word that captures all of those things.

Been thinking some more….

#11. Term limits
#12. Presidential Line-Item Veto

….(“Conservative”)Been used to death and provokes images of Pat Buchanan and poor starving kids.

Any ideas anyone? — BacaDog

…I like #11 and *REALLY* like #12. If it was good enough for Jefferson Davis, and is good enough for a host of governors, it’s good enough for the federal Prez.

I still have no ideas on a snappier name. Using national symbols — capitol, liberty bell, eagle — is not a good idea. “Capitol Party” sounds elitist, and “The Eagle Party” sounds like the “Bull Moose Party”. Save the eagle for the letterhead….

“The American Party” and “The Independent Party” have both been used.

Here’s fodder for a “Contract for America” platform, no?

“…if we’re going to progress…as an economy…we need to continue to have a legal immigration system…and we haven’t been doing that…our…system isn’t working…come out of the shadows and become part of a legal workforce…”

This is all code, and barely code at that, for legalizing the illegals and increasing mass, unskilled immigration.

Yes, he said they have to go home and get in line before becoming citizens but the right to vote and serve on a jury isn’t what they’re after…it’s the residency, ie the access to jobs and social services. He said he wants to legalize those “in the shadows” and he went out of his way to claim that we are economically reliant on endless cheap labor. Of course he said he’s against amnesty; Bush is against amnesty, remember? McCain, Kennedy, Martinez…all against amensty. And they’re all totally for rule of law too. And security.

I know that even many staunch opponents of illegal immigration aren’t necessarily ready to lower legal levels, but if you acknowledge at all that most of the problems related to immigration have to do with strains on wages, social services, and culture, then you have to realize he’s arguing to keep the strains coming, and even to increase them.

And he, like “Ellis Island Center” Pence, is what we’re relying on.

We are in deep. trouble.

Maybe after all of our military equipment runs on an alternative energy source. We do not use OUR oil for a reason. Namely to ensure our a– kicking capacity.

Theworldisnotenough on November 14, 2006 at 9:50 PM

I should have said energy independence via opening up ANWAR and anyplace else we need to drill. Also, immediate expansion of nuclear energy capacity. Hell, if the French can do it and not screw it up, I’m sure we can.