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posted at 5:23 pm on November 14, 2006 by Allahpundit
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He won’t, of course, but between Kyl, Pence, and now him, I think it’s safe to say that the alarm has officially sounded. With good reason.

Thanks to our friends at the Andrew Wilkow Show on Sirius Radio for the clip.


Kyl and DeMint both voted against the Senate immigration bill that passed in June. You know who didn’t, and whose vote on this issue is going to be watched very, very closely?

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This is exactly why Lindsey Graham will be defeated in the GOP primary down in SC.

SouthernGent on November 14, 2006 at 5:25 PM

I don’t know enough about DeMint to call him a hero, but on one of the two most vital issues today, he’s on the nose. Now if every hard core conservative in both Houses threatens to leave the party, something can get done. If no such pressure is applied, we’ll get the status quo, which isn’t working in the slightest.

Freelancer on November 14, 2006 at 5:34 PM

And if their bluff gets called and they leave?

Skywise on November 14, 2006 at 5:36 PM

HEAR, FREAKIN’, HEAR, DeMint!!

tickleddragon on November 14, 2006 at 5:41 PM

Allah, you are the undisputed King of unfortunate screen caps. If you ever get your hands on video of me, please lose it immediately.

I’ll cut you, man. I’ll do it! I swear!

Pablo on November 14, 2006 at 5:42 PM

And if their bluff gets called and they leave?

Good things, man… good things.

blogRot on November 14, 2006 at 5:44 PM

And if their bluff gets called and they leave?

Skywise on November 14, 2006 at 5:36 PM

Time for us to get out our checkbooks and put our money where our mouths are. If real conservatives go independent. They will need our dollars.

Theworldisnotenough on November 14, 2006 at 5:45 PM

1. English National Language
2. No Amnesty

Where is a politician who can deliver on these 2 requests?

Wade on November 14, 2006 at 5:54 PM

Is AllahPundit still for Giuliani in 2008? Giuliani is to the left of McCain on immigration.

From RealClearPolitics:

Immigration
While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain – if not more so. On the O’Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a “practical approach” to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to “regularize” illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to “make their lives reasonable.” Giuliani did say that “a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security” needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain’s.

The article is at http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/08/deconstructing_giuliani.html

januarius on November 14, 2006 at 5:55 PM

Time for us to get out our checkbooks and put our money where our mouths are. If real conservatives go independent. They will need our dollars.

Theworldisnotenough on November 14, 2006 at 5:45 PM

This country is in need of a viable 3rd Party anyways.

Yakko77 on November 14, 2006 at 5:56 PM

(Gum)balls!

Yeah!

I’ll donate to the campaigns of any true conservative that will stand up against the amnesty and negotiate with terrorists new status quo.

LegendHasIt on November 14, 2006 at 5:58 PM

This country is in need of a viable 3rd Party anyways.

Yakko77 on November 14, 2006 at 5:56 PM

This country has never had a viable 3rd party. It never will. Stop planning to find gold at the end of the rainbow.

spmat on November 14, 2006 at 5:59 PM

Not only is Demint smart about this whole illegal immigration issue, he is very smart about a tax proposal (the Fair Tax) that is currently known as S25 in the Senate. I highly recommend anyone read his book about it.
We have some great people left in the Republican party that could do so much! I hope he doesn’t leave. It’s already a wretched hive of villainy and scum- can you imagine if all the good guys left what would become of it? May the Force be with us.

Vanquisher on November 14, 2006 at 6:00 PM

This country has never had a viable 3rd party. It never will.

Whatever you do, don’t tell the Whigs.

Pablo on November 14, 2006 at 6:00 PM

This country is in need of a viable 3rd Party anyways.

Yakko77 on November 14, 2006 at 5:56 PM

Hello, Hillary 2008! Repeat of 1992 with Perot stealing enough votes for Clinton to become President.

januarius on November 14, 2006 at 6:05 PM

And if their bluff gets called and they leave?

Then they’ll leave, and I’ll go with them. I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative who pretty regularly votes Republican or at least against Democrats. But if the majority of Republican politicians don’t honor core beliefs that are assumed to define what a it means to be a Republican then I have no use for them. As a matter of fact, I consider them to be traitors to the cause, and I have more contempt for traitors then I do for the regular political opposition. It is a greater injury to the soul to be raped by a Republican than it is to have the same thing happen at the hands of the communist Democrats (aka progressives).
The Democrats & the Republicans haven’t always been the only major parties. I myself can see how either one or both of them can become extinct. Time does these things.
And all that gobbledygook about finding better candidates and working harder can be, and is frequently, undone by local and state party machines that hold the monopoly on annointing new candidates. Fighting your own can be very dispiriting. Case in point: Bob Dole who seems to have acquired the presidential nomination simply because it was his turn, we owed the guy, notwithstanding the fact that he was an old and awful candidate.

thegreatbeast on November 14, 2006 at 6:08 PM

This country has never had a viable 3rd party. It never will.

You are probably right.

But if we don’t get a VIABLE 3rd party real quick, we might as well go find a nice warm cave to hide in because the end of the world as we know it is coming; sooner, rather than later.

Overly dramatic? Maybe; But I’ve never felt so hopless and un-represented in government in my 55 years and two weeks of life..

LegendHasIt on November 14, 2006 at 6:12 PM

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! FINALLY a Senator South Carolina can be PROUD OF!!!!

That …ahem…gentleman…ahem….Lindsey Wussie WImp Graham makes us natives SICK SICK SICK. They are working back home (in SC) to make sure his first term was his last…But then he’ll probably be up McCain’s *ss so far it won’t matter.

seejanemom on November 14, 2006 at 6:14 PM

can you imagine if all the good guys left what would become of it?

Yes. The “a wretched hive of villainy and scum” would be all alone.

I want Conservatism to come out on top. If the Republican party is no longer conservative on the big issues, then I can’t support them. It’s shaky on getting good judges – why we didn’t go nuclear when we could is beyond comprehension (thanks McCain!), it’s shaky on free speech (thanks McCain again!), it now expects us to welcome and support millions of people who don’t earn enough to pay taxes and offset the public services they use, and now we’re drifting toward surrendering in Iraq (Baker, Gates)… we had the majority, and they wasted it. I voted Republican this election, but I didn’t give my time or money, which was a big change.

I really don’t know why I should fight in 2008 for a party which won’t fight for me.

Laura on November 14, 2006 at 6:17 PM

The article is at http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/08/deconstructing_giuliani.html

januarius on November 14, 2006 at 5:55 PM

Thanks for the info, janarius – I had wondered where Rudy stood on this issue. That’s a deal breaker for me, sorry Rudy supporters.

thirteen28 on November 14, 2006 at 6:23 PM

Hello, Hillary 2008! Repeat of 1992 with Perot stealing enough votes for Clinton to become President.

Even I’m not that crazy. Wouldn’t it be great if we the conservatives supported Republicans that left the party over immigration, but did not shot ourselves in the foot in a Presidential election. Can you imagine the RINO’s dismay? “They, they’re, they’re thinking aaargh!!” Then Rove starts melting like the Wicked Witch of the West.

Theworldisnotenough on November 14, 2006 at 6:29 PM

I will leave with you. Let the then-shell of the GOP compete for the conservative bloc’s votes (estimated at 40% of the electorate).

plaidsheetman on November 14, 2006 at 6:36 PM

OMG I love this guy. Does he have a sister?

Kevin M on November 14, 2006 at 6:37 PM

And if their bluff gets called and they leave?
Then they’ll leave, and Ill go with them.
Nothing says the Democrats & Republicans are entitled to be the two main parties forever & ever. I’m a conservative who usually votes Republican or at least against the Democrats. I am not a Republican, I maintain my Independent status. But if being a Republican doesn’t mean anything, doesn’t encompass adherence to a few core beliefs about the way the people should be governed, then it doesn’t mean spit to me. People like Lincoln Chafee should have been drummed out of the party. A lot of Northeast Republicans should be drummed out of the party. They just muddy up the waters. And more work should be done to turn some of the more sensible southern & southwest Democrats. Unfortunately, the Republican party is rancid with politicians who have no core beliefs except,

Getting Mine

.
Being screwed by Republican politicians is worse than having your hat handed to you by the Democrats. And that is happening all too frequently by far too many Republican politicos.
I look forward to the day when the Republican and Democrat parties are finally put in the ashes of history. Two new parties with vibrancy and conviction would be so much better than the present state of affairs.

thegreatbeast on November 14, 2006 at 6:41 PM

Sorry fellows…

Life is rough. Bad things happen. People get root canals. Oh, and the next Republican to run for president will favor SOME type of amnesty. They may not call it that, but thats what it will effectively be. Of course if you want you can vote for the frickin pot smoking Democrat or the nerdy libertarian and REALLY make your vote count(not that libertarians are nerdy, its just that the presidential candidates that run in their name often strike me as losers.
Anyway, have fun with that….you know, being all irrelevant and all.

Max Power on November 14, 2006 at 6:42 PM

Look out folks… we’re about to get railroaded again.

Editor on November 14, 2006 at 6:43 PM

The Republican Party is facing a critical historical moment. Either it will embrace conservatism and Americanism or it will embrace multiculturalism and quasi-conservative California Republicanism. Either the Republicans will choose those American citizens who constitute its base or it will attempt to move forward by desperately and vainly appealing to illegal immigrants and their children and the corporate donors who favor illegal immigration.

If the Republican Party doesn’t hold on this issue, then we are already getting a glimpse of the future: the Republican Party will gradually resemble the “conservative” parties of Latin America who exist simply to serve the elites that back them and are otherwise devoid of any real guiding conservative principles such as personal freedom or individual responsibility. Conservatism or Banana Republicanism, what will it be?

tommy1 on November 14, 2006 at 7:02 PM

Hello, Hillary 2008! Repeat of 1992 with Perot stealing enough votes for Clinton to become President.

januarius on November 14, 2006 at 6:05 PM

It goes both ways. One could easily argue that Ralph Nader cost Al Gore the win in Florida in the 2000 election.

George W. Bush (W) 2,912,790 48.850% Republican
Al Gore 2,912,253 48.841% Democratic
Ralph Nader 97,421 1.633% Green

Yakko77 on November 14, 2006 at 7:25 PM

Some of you are wrong to condemn the idea of 3rd parties. The rigged 2 party system is one of the major things that is wrong with the US today. Most incumbents are reelected and party insiders pick who is on the balot. When need to eliminate party primaries which the elite control and implement open primaries from which the top 2 candidates move on regaurdless of thier party affiliation.

Historically when third parties formed the way they were defeated was to have thier platform swallowed up by either the R or D. This is exactly what everyone who is complaining would like to happen.

Resolute on November 14, 2006 at 7:31 PM

Anyway, have fun with that….you know, being all irrelevant and all.

I’m just enjoying the hell out of it right now. No need to wait until 2008.

Look, I’m not saying I’ll never vote Republican. I’ve been voting R for twenty years. But in the past, the delineation was much more clear between R and D. I’m not sure how to drag the Republican party back to it’s roots, so that it has more in common with the party I joined. I’m open to ideas, anybody have any besides issuing threats that the leadership doesn’t pay attention to anyway?

Laura on November 14, 2006 at 7:31 PM

More like 1992 with every thread.

Scot on November 14, 2006 at 7:46 PM

Psshhheeeeewwwww!!!

I SMELL TROLLS! Me no like troll peepul.

hillbillyjim on November 14, 2006 at 8:00 PM

I agree with Resolute. He hit the nail on the head. Do away with these stupid parties.

Rustyw on November 14, 2006 at 8:02 PM

If by trolls you mean, “people who are tired of voting for a watered down version of the Democratic Party” then I guess I qualify. But you are welcome to review the last three years worth of conservative Christian republican blogging at my blog if you want some bona fides. I’m no Grebrook.

Laura on November 14, 2006 at 8:14 PM

Worried about a third party?

Keep in mind that if Perot hadn’t flaked out at the end, He would have won. He really struck a cord with Americans.
I think he still got a third of the vote, even after acting like a complete weirdo.

A ‘Sovereignty Party’ would start out with the majority of Americans strongly interested.

Is this heresy at Hotair? Or does the Republican Party need the shake up?

Speakup on November 14, 2006 at 8:16 PM

Either it will embrace conservatism and Americanism or it will embrace multiculturalism and quasi-conservative California Republicanism.

trolls

hillbillyjim on November 14, 2006 at 8:17 PM

Either the Republicans will choose those American citizens who constitute its base or it will attempt to move forward by desperately and vainly appealing to illegal immigrants and their children and the corporate donors who favor illegal immigration.

Amen, tommy1 …. fight the trolls; we cannot afford to lose

hillbillyjim on November 14, 2006 at 8:20 PM

quasi-conservative California Republicanism.

Don’t associate the RINO Governor Arnolito of California with the state legislature Republicans these Conservatives who operate in our harsh liberal climate are tough as nails, staunch to the bone most of them.

Speakup on November 14, 2006 at 8:32 PM

I wonder what McCain is hiding under all that makeup.

Kralizec on November 14, 2006 at 8:34 PM

So we need to raise minimum wage so that we can let more illegals in to work for much less than minimum wage and without benefits. And then the battle cry goes out that the distance between the poor and the rich has grown wider over the last decade. Except how are we supposed to beat poverty when we let 12 million uneducated illegals in? Oh yea…socialism, which is supported by the ultra rich. After all, you can’t stay rich in a competitive environment.

Rustyw on November 14, 2006 at 8:35 PM

He’d have gotten away with it, too, if it wasn’t for all you meddling bloggers!

Laura on November 14, 2006 at 8:37 PM

One could easily argue that Ralph Nader cost Al Gore the win in Florida in the 2000 election.

I thought buchanan did that and those super deceptive ballots ;)

lorien1973 on November 14, 2006 at 8:37 PM

1. English National Language
2. No Amnesty — Wade

…add one more thing…which would be torn apart by the courts, but which bears considering:

Restrict currency transfers to Mexico. These “provisional” residents get their green cards, or whatever, they are permitted to take as much furniture, as many cars and appliances, clothes, and commodities as they want back to Mexico, or to ship ‘em back…which would please FedEx/UPS.

But, don’t let ‘em send money. Restrict the amount of US currency exported to Mexico. Don’t allow the dodge of buying pesos (or whatever) and wiring *THAT* back home.

When the economic sweetener is no longer filling Mexico’s coffers, maybe the flow will be staunched a bit. There’ll still be plenty of volunteers to come to El Norte — a tide which must be controlled if not stopped outright — but this will but a twist in the tail of the Mexican plutocrats, while profiting businesses here.

…just a modest proposal….

…no…back to discussing the eating of Irish children….

Puritan1648 on November 14, 2006 at 8:53 PM

I voted Republican this election, but I didn’t give my time or money, which was a big change.

Laura on November 14, 2006 at 6:17 PM

Me too, Laura. Unfortunately, most of us are going to have to prioritize the issues impoortant to us that were always associated with the GOP. It seems that we’ll no longer see the GOP as the ideal party from a conservative point of view. For this reason we’ll now be forced to become one or two issue voters rather than looking for the entire slate in one place.

When I make the list of things that are deal killers for me, taxes are always #1. Abortion, small government, fiscal responsibility, gun-rights, strong immigration law, etc., although important to me, are down on the list.

While my ideal candidate would be in support of all of my views, I can’t find one. Now when I rate someone for my vote, I start with taxes and work through the list.

It’s not a perfect system, but you gotta take your friends where you can get em’.

BacaDog on November 14, 2006 at 9:04 PM

This country has never had a viable 3rd party. It never will. Stop planning to find gold at the end of the rainbow. — spmat

…actually, the Republican Party missed being a third party by the slimmest of margins, with the collapse of the Whig Party. Many Whigs, when the party fell, went to some of the other parties around at the time (Anti-Masonic, “Know-Nothing”, that sort of thing).

Many old Whigs and Democrats bolted in 1861. If John Bell’s showing in the Constitutional Union Party hadn’t been quite as strong — building on Southern pro-union feeling and old Whig loyalties — or if Steve Douglas had bowed out gracefully, we’d've easily had a *nationally* elected president in John Breckinridge of Kentucky, the Southern Democrat candidate. Lincoln *NEVER* had a national mandate. He was, in effect, a regional third party candidate, who won by virtue of his three opponents splitting their vote.

…mind you, Bell’s vote might’ve gone Lincoln’s way, but Douglas’s would probably have swung Breckinridge’s way, putting him over the top.

It might’ve gone the other way, with Breckinridge bowing out in favor of Douglas. Any way you’d've sliced it, the 1860’s would’ve been entirely different without Lincoln in office, and without the baggage of abolitionism.

So, third parties are viable.

If the Republicans continue the splintering of the last week, it’s possible here, too. Not that Buchanan’s Reform, Perot’s Reform, or that poxy “Constitution” Party would stand a chance. The Libertarians would need a wake-up call to even know that an election was being held.

…but, a values-driven, on-message party? A party which consults the majority base and *LISTENS*? It’d give the Demo-Socialists a run for their money!

The thing would be to get one organized. That takes money.

Puritan1648 on November 14, 2006 at 9:04 PM

The thing would be to get one organized. That takes money.

Puritan1648 on November 14, 2006 at 9:04 PM

Let’s get moving! First, the platform….

1. Low taxes
2. Strong Immigration enforcement
3. Pro-life
4. Small Government
5. Tort Reform
6. Personal Responsibility
7. Pro-Gun
8. Freedom of religon, not Freedom from it
9. Fiscal responsibility
10. Energy independence partly through utilizing our own oil sources.
11. ??
12. ??

Oh, wait! We had a party like that recently. What happened?!

We can call our new party the Conservative Party since being a Republican doesn’t seem to have a meaning anymore.

BacaDog on November 14, 2006 at 9:21 PM

Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. Look at Title 3, part A.

Scot on November 14, 2006 at 9:21 PM

It’s easy to say you hate Bush, not so easy to say you hate Ronald Reagan.

Scot on November 14, 2006 at 9:27 PM

Ronald Reagan amnesty.

Scot on November 14, 2006 at 9:32 PM

Let’s get moving! First, the platform….

1. Low taxes
2. Strong Immigration enforcement
3. Pro-life
4. Small Government
5. Tort Reform
6. Personal Responsibility
7. Pro-Gun
8. Freedom of religon, not Freedom from it
9. Fiscal responsibility
10. Energy independence partly through utilizing our own oil sources.
11. ??
12. ??

Oh, wait! We had a party like that recently. What happened?!

We can call our new party the Conservative Party since being a Republican doesn’t seem to have a meaning anymore.

Sign me up.

Oh, for #11, Acknowledges that acts of terror against U.S. citizens is an act of war, not simply a police matter to be investigated.

Yakko77 on November 14, 2006 at 9:47 PM

Dang, the whole Berlin Wall thing was kinda cool. But oh well screw Reagan’s amnesty.

Theworldisnotenough on November 14, 2006 at 9:48 PM

Number 10? No thanks.

Maybe after all of our military equipment runs on an alternative energy source. We do not use OUR oil for a reason. Namely to ensure our a– kicking capacity.

Theworldisnotenough on November 14, 2006 at 9:50 PM

Let’s get moving! First, the platform….

…damnation…that was quick…been givin’ this some thought, eh?

1. Low taxes

…more than just low taxes, target taxes. *FIRST*, prioritize services, *THEN* tax to support those services.

Defense *FIRST*. That’s a constitutional mandate.

Infrastructure second, in support of interstate business and the freedom of the citizen to travel.

Social security is a dead, rancid albatross ’round the national neck, but two generations of seniors have been paying into it, so it’s gotta be solvent.

Agri-business and national business supports, focusing on family and small businesses, letting big business and farming pay for themselves.

Make money to education, particularly higher education, dependent on *APOLITICAL* results.

Not a dime for “the Arts”.

…any savings from the present system, pay down the Debt.

2. Strong Immigration enforcement

Lock the border down *FIRST*. Big wall, national policing, by military forces with top-cover, the whole nine, until the Border Patrol can be disbanded and reformed as an effective military force.

*THEN* begin to worry about making it hot for illegals, offering preferential treatment for those with clean records who exit and then re-enter under stringent, skills-based screening and tracking.

Repatriate *ALL* criminals except capital criminals.

Let those who go through the exit/re-enter process get into line for citizenship.

Make it *IMMEDIATELY* hot for the employers, enablers, and advocates of illegal immigrants (advocates being accessories to a federal crime) with fines, confiscations and jail time.

Repeal all H1B visas. Educate our own.

3. Pro-life

…*NOT* a lock-step, “look at my little wax model of an aborted fetus”, creepy pro-life effort. Recognize exceptions (incest, health of the mother). Let the partial-birthers be the “my way or the highway”-faction.

4. Small Government

…local sovereignty all the way.

Allow and support local governments who wish to prosecute those who interfere in local issues, such as the folks in Farmer’s Branch who’re up to their ears in out-of-town open-borders and “anti-racist”"advocates”.

Still, ensure that localities — like San Fran and the fashionably-Leftist burgs like Portland, Seattle, etc., enforce federal laws.

5. Tort Reform

…judicial reform is more to the point. Make “legislate from the bench” a dirty word…er…phrase….

6. Personal Responsibility

…that one’s hard to quantify, and harder to propogate. You run the risk there of morons, raised on “if it feels good, do it” — which is a lot of the last three generations — crying “Waaaaaah! I want my MTV!”

One idea: use the Justice Department to prosecute or assist in the prosecution of cases — and opt out of prosecuting, etc. — in cases where personal responsibility is in play, as in the cases of firearms liability and smoking liability.

Nobody started you smoking…no matter how much the tobacco companies withheld.

7. Pro-Gun

…absolutely! An armed society is a polite society!

If San Fran wants to neuter the Second Amendment, remind them that a local government — regardless of the support a new conservative party would give them — can’t pick and choose which of the Constitutions rights their citizens may have.

Prosecute gun crimes mercilessly. When in doubt, hamstring recalcitrant judges.

8. Freedom of religon, not Freedom from it

…push for a constitutional amendment defining “shall not establish” for what it is: the government won’t set up and pay for a state church, as in many countries in Europe. Private practice is neither encouraged *NOR* disadvantaged.

Public expressions of religious affiliation are handled the way public expressions of other affiliations — political, sexual, familial, racial — are handled. They’re permitted *UNTIL* they become a threat to the common peace.

Just as the ACLU fights for Nazis and Klansmen to march and spew, religious folk should be able to march. Speech as well as religious expression should be free for the *MAJORITY*, not only for the twisted minorities — Westboro Baptist, for instance — who prove the case and are sexy to defend.

9. Fiscal responsibility

…a balanced budget amendment.

10. Energy independence partly through utilizing our own oil sources.

…added to an initiative to build more refineries. Wind and solar power alternatives are sexy and all, but we need refineries. Tax breaks to encourage the use of ethanol! More flex-fuel cars!

11. ??
12. ??

Oh, wait! We had a party like that recently. What happened?!

…looks like it bled to death…and it was never *REALLY* all that keen on most of what you line out above. Some individual members and office-holders were, but the Party as a party was not.

For that matter, the Democrats were once closer to the model lined-out above than the Republicans were at any point…but look what happened *THERE*!

We can call our new party the Conservative Party since being a Republican doesn’t seem to have a meaning anymore. — BacaDog

…there is already one or a few parties out there with “Conservative” in the title. There’s that one in New York.

There’s never been a “National Party”, that I know of. Parties with two-part names are unwieldy, like “Constitutional Union”, “Free State”, “Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party” (the Lefties in Minnesota). Adding the word “real” smacks of sour grapes and novelty. Calling your party by euphamisms or “happy-happy-joy-joy” names — Peace and Freedom Party, Natural Law Party, Big P*nis Party — is an express ticket to oblivion.

We could call ourselves the “Whigs”…”Federalists” (would scare away the neo-Confederates)….

Conservative is good…is there nothing snappier?

In Britain, parties have colors…Labor is red (of course), the Tories are blue, Liberal-Democrats yellow (again, of course)…in the US, the press has assigned colors…Dems are blue, Republicans are red, Greens are…er…green.

Ideas?

…it’s all a nice idea…lot of uphill work, though…talking folks to jump ship and all….

Puritan1648 on November 14, 2006 at 10:08 PM

SeeJaney,

no email link on your site?

Jaibones on November 14, 2006 at 10:19 PM

Been thinking some more….

#11. Term limits
#12. Presidential Line-Item Veto

Conservative is good…is there nothing snappier?

Good point Puritan. Been used to death and provokes images of Pat Buchanan and poor starving kids.

Any ideas anyone?

BacaDog on November 14, 2006 at 10:22 PM

Maybe after all of our military equipment runs on an alternative energy source. We do not use OUR oil for a reason. Namely to ensure our a– kicking capacity.

Theworldisnotenough on November 14, 2006 at 9:50 PM

I should have said energy independence via opening up ANWAR and anyplace else we need to drill. Also, immediate expansion of nuclear energy capacity. Hell, if the French can do it and not screw it up, I’m sure we can.

BacaDog on November 14, 2006 at 10:30 PM

You’ve got to be kidding.

“…if we’re going to progress…as an economy…we need to continue to have a legal immigration system…and we haven’t been doing that…our…system isn’t working…come out of the shadows and become part of a legal workforce…”

This is all code, and barely code at that, for legalizing the illegals and increasing mass, unskilled immigration.

Yes, he said they have to go home and get in line before becoming citizens but the right to vote and serve on a jury isn’t what they’re after…it’s the residency, ie the access to jobs and social services. He said he wants to legalize those “in the shadows” and he went out of his way to claim that we are economically reliant on endless cheap labor. Of course he said he’s against amnesty; Bush is against amnesty, remember? McCain, Kennedy, Martinez…all against amensty. And they’re all totally for rule of law too. And security.

I know that even many staunch opponents of illegal immigration aren’t necessarily ready to lower legal levels, but if you acknowledge at all that most of the problems related to immigration have to do with strains on wages, social services, and culture, then you have to realize he’s arguing to keep the strains coming, and even to increase them.

And he, like “Ellis Island Center” Pence, is what we’re relying on.

We are in deep. trouble.

Alex K on November 14, 2006 at 10:50 PM

Been thinking some more….

#11. Term limits
#12. Presidential Line-Item Veto

….(”Conservative”)Been used to death and provokes images of Pat Buchanan and poor starving kids.

Any ideas anyone? — BacaDog

…I like #11 and *REALLY* like #12. If it was good enough for Jefferson Davis, and is good enough for a host of governors, it’s good enough for the federal Prez.

I still have no ideas on a snappier name. Using national symbols — capitol, liberty bell, eagle — is not a good idea. “Capitol Party” sounds elitist, and “The Eagle Party” sounds like the “Bull Moose Party”. Save the eagle for the letterhead….

“The American Party” and “The Independent Party” have both been used.

Here’s fodder for a “Contract for America” platform, no?

Puritan1648 on November 14, 2006 at 10:53 PM

I still have no ideas on a snappier name.

The name has to appeal to those of us who feel abandonded by the GOP. Moms and Dads, families, kids, normal values, apple pie, honesty, integrity……….or reinvention of the old party rising from the ashes…

Gotta be a word that captures all of those things.

BacaDog on November 14, 2006 at 11:18 PM

Loyalist Party

there it is on November 15, 2006 at 7:59 AM

mountainmanbob say,

like a lot of you, last week i held my nose and voted for the repubs here in new hampshire. i am a life-long repub. the repub party used to be home to conservatism. it is becoming increasingly difficult to vote for rinos. the republican party better learn from this election. if not, the prospect of a third party, a home for conservatives becomes probable.
ronald reagan used to be a democrat. upon his switch to the repubs he said; “i didn’t leave the demo party, they left me”.
todays repub party is leaving conservatives. rinos should join the dhimms, blue dog dems should join the repubs, or a new conservative party will emerge.
jmho

mountainmanbob on November 15, 2006 at 7:59 AM

The name has to appeal to those of us who feel abandonded by the GOP. Moms and Dads, families, kids, normal values, apple pie, honesty, integrity……….or reinvention of the old party rising from the ashes…

The American Party?

JasonG on November 15, 2006 at 8:15 AM

Thanks for the info, janarius – I had wondered where Rudy stood on this issue. That’s a deal breaker for me, sorry Rudy supporters.

Me too. Can’t compromise on the alien issue.

Does anyone have a link or info on the new Senate/ House of each member’s stand on this issue? We’re going to have to get going on our “campaign” – FULL FORCE – soon.

Ideas?

stenwin77 on November 15, 2006 at 8:37 AM

How about “The Great New Party” GNP

stenwin77 on November 15, 2006 at 8:39 AM

The color should be PURPLE, signifying the joining of the “best” of the red and the blue. It could be promoted as that, independents would like it.

stenwin77 on November 15, 2006 at 8:43 AM

Leave the party and go where? And who the hell is DeMint, anyway?

Its a nice sound bite, but it doesn’t seem to mean anything.

E. M. on November 15, 2006 at 9:38 AM

We’d be much better of as a country if we had as many viable political parties as Canada. There’s absolutely no reason we should be limiting our choices to two parties that usually provide nothing more than a choice between “the lesser of two evils”.

More than likely if we managed to pull off a conservative 3rd party, sooner rather than later the far left would seize the opportunity to break away from the Democrats.

I assume at that point that moderate Democrats and Republicans would merge since they are basically the same.

Benaiah on November 15, 2006 at 9:38 AM

…stenwin77…”The Great New Party”??? I *HATE* purple!

Here’s an idea: The National Party.

I gave it some though, and enough rust fell away that I remembered the Washington Nationals baseball team.

For some reason, that appealed to me. The National Party. “The Nationals”.

Major League Baseball would probably sue for a cut.

Puritan1648 on November 15, 2006 at 9:48 AM

Here’s an idea: The National Party.
Puritan1648 on November 15, 2006 at 9:48 AM

I kinda like that Puritan. What’s everyone else think?

The color should be PURPLE, signifying the joining of the “best” of the red and the blue. It could be promoted as that, independents would like it.

stenwin77 on November 15, 2006 at 8:43 AM

Ok, now we need a mascot or symbol. What should it be?

BacaDog on November 15, 2006 at 10:16 AM

mountainmanbob say,

New Party: The AMERICA FIRST PARTY

New Mascot: General George S. Patton saluting the American Flag

mountainmanbob on November 15, 2006 at 10:30 AM

Ok, now we need a mascot or symbol. What should it be? — BacaDog

…OK…National Party…”The Nationals”….

I suggest the figure of the Minuteman statue (although I viscerally resist anything else in Yankeeland).

It reinforces the gun rights plank, and is very evocative. It’s often been logo’d.

6. Personal Responsibility

Point: gave this some thought. How do you quantify “personal responsibility”? It’s intrusive. I *SHOULD* be a given, so treat it like a given.

Instead:

*make #1 “Citizens Rights”. These could be sub-paragraphed as:

* “Personal Sovereignty”, as in “owning ones life, property and future without reference to community, state or any other power. This means not only personal privacy and protection from government and community intrusion, but the expectation that the citizen is his own boss”;

* “Local Sovereignty”, as in “owndership of the problem of serving the citizen. Solving problems and extending and funding services at the level closest to the citizen”;

* and “National Sovereignty”, as in “ownership and protection of our nation, state and local integrity, law enforcement, and upholding of national standards. America is a nation without reference to any other nation or group of nations”.

Then, of course, add the #’s 11 and 12 as discussed earlier.

Puritan1648 on November 15, 2006 at 12:57 PM

This is exactly why Lindsey Graham will be defeated in the GOP primary down in SC.

And why the Democrats will have to thank you once again for handing us another FREEBEE in the general election. 2008 is already going to be a complete disaster for you guys. 21 Republicans up for election against just 12 Democrats. Fairly lopsided.

Grebrook on November 15, 2006 at 1:07 PM

“Conservative Party” works for me. Why not be straightforward about it? If you’re ashamed to say what you are, then you are not strong enough for the fight ahead.

This is something that has to be done soon to be ready for 2008.

DeMint and Kyl and others could declare themselves “Independent” and caucus with the Repubs as they choose to, but the Repubs. would have to be worried about pleasing them — what a nice change.

I would hate to have to change party affiliation, but, as I see it now, we have a center-Left party, ours, and a hard-Left party, the Dems. Neither work for my interests or the long-term viability of the country I love.

Margaret McC on November 15, 2006 at 2:12 PM

I kinda like the snappy “America First Party”.

#13 Congress and Senate will be an unpaid position limited by 6 years in office.

#14 After leaving office, it is prohibited to receive a delayed bribe by being paid for speeches or accepting employment with any Government Contractor.

ScottyDog on November 15, 2006 at 5:31 PM

How about the Gold Party? Wraps up concept and color all at once.

13. Restoration of a real gold standard for all national financial business.

14. Abolition of NOA, NEA, IRS (for starters), institute the FairTax plan.

Freelancer on November 15, 2006 at 6:13 PM

So the cut-and-run Republicans wish to start their own party now? Fat chance of that happening since they would put as much effort into that as they did in supporting the House Republicans who actually earned our vote. Zero!

As long as Bush remains in the white house it will remain a real task to push any Conservative Agenda, but it could begin if Conservatives ever get that simple fact through their heads, and let our POTUS that he will not have our backing of his liberal agenda.

Democrats ran on certain issues, and we need to keep on them about that. Failure to do so shows a complacent electorate, and in that atmosphere is when liberal politicians are allowed to get comfortable. While I doubt that the liberal electorate cares if they were lied to again there is no reason why Republicans cannot call for the next Congress to do as they said they would.

No matter what anyone here wants, they will have to actually work for it. Volunteer to help your conservative candidates in the next election, send as much money as you can afford to, send mail to Washington daily to let them know your demands, and quit your incessant whining. America voted, and we all got what the majority voted for.

DannoJyd on November 15, 2006 at 6:54 PM

Find out just what the people will submit to and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress. —Frederick Douglass

The call is out for words, lots of them. Letters and phone calls to every Republican, whether you think they are good or bad. If we cannot articulate our displeasure with their tyranny, and be able to itemize it for them, they simply will not listen.

Kerry refused to listen to me (and thousands of others) when I wrote him about his “joke”. His response blamed the White House for my anger instead of his own idiocy, as if I were a robot under orders from Master Karl to send the senator an email. Sadly, this is how all too many of those in political power distance themselves from any accountability. “Ahh, that’s just the fringe talking”, or “That’s how the opposition party would want you to think”. It will require many, many individual calls, letters and emails to EACH member demanding constant accountability to their oath of office, before they will begin to see that there’s a need to change how they do business. And then the pressure must continue before that recognition of a need metastasizes into actual change.

Freelancer on November 15, 2006 at 7:22 PM

So the cut-and-run Republicans wish to start their own party now? Fat chance of that happening since they would put as much effort into that as they did in supporting the House Republicans who actually earned our vote. Zero!

…and quit your incessant whining.– DannoJyd

…haven’t been listenin’, have ya, bubba.

Is it “The Republicans or nothing! The die is cast!” When did the Republican Freakin’ Party sign for the key to the Conservative Locker?

There’s been a fair bit of discontent that the Rebpublicans…waaaaaaaait for it…*HAVEN’T BEEN BLOODY LISTENING!*

Do we just sit there, like black America, and let “our party” walk rough-shod over us, assuming that we’ll just fall into line…head-down/butt-up/and shut-up?

As long as Bush remains in the white house it will remain a real task to push any Conservative Agenda, but it could begin if Conservatives ever get that simple fact through their heads….

…as long as Bush’s *BEEN* in office, it’s been like pulling teeth go push “any Conservative Agenda”. Been paying attention? Medicare drug coverage? Open borders? The I-35 corrider through Texas? “Bipartisanship”?

If we hitch up our britches, open our wallets, and just troop back to de back po’ch for massa’s leabin’s, we’ll get just that…de massa’s leabin’s. Hog maws, anyone?

The Democratic Party, flush with victory and an illusory mandate, is reeling like a 14-year-old with the key to Dad’s liquor cabinet. The Republican Party is grinding the seed corn as quickly as he can rip open the sacks! The patient, forgiving base *MIGHT* be a little p*ssed right now…and that’s not the least helped along by “pragmatists” who point out that the Two Party System means that we as conservatives are shackled to the *CORPSE* of whatever Republican Party presents itself.

Personally, I feel like a debutante with a rich daddy and a 40″ rack: I wanna be wooed! I want my suitor to sing paeans about my figure, my grace, my big bloody hair!

Since they *LOST* the election — and, make no mistake, the Dems didn’t “win” any bloody thing…the Republicans lost — they’ve been staggering around like a drunken suicide, carving bits of itself off and leaving ‘em littered behind it. Next stop, precipice.

So, don’t think that you’re “talking sense” here…and be judicious with words like “cut-and-run” and “whining”. This isn’t about ideological purity, separatism, or copping an attitude.

Conservative America — regardless of the Greebster’s boilerplate statistics — is the majority, both socially and economically. That majority has been represented less and less over the last six years…and some folks are just about fed up.

Don’t like it, go out and support Rudy G. or McCain. Open *your* wallet and spend *your* time tonguing envelopes for a guy who stands up for you 60% of the time, which means he sells you down the river 40% of the time…and consults you 0% of the time.

For my own part, I’m ready to go a’shoppin’. I hear that there’re governors out there with aspirations.

Puritan1648 on November 15, 2006 at 7:34 PM

For my own part, I’m ready to go a’shoppin’. I hear that there’re governors out there with aspirations.

Puritan1648 on November 15, 2006 at 7:34 PM

That is right in line with my post. Go find a candidate you can support, do the work to get that person elected, and perhaps we will get the GoBernment we want, but to sit by and cast stones accomplishes not a thing. Indeed, the cut-and-runners allowed the party that they despise to regain power. *POOF* goes many conservative gains we’ve made over the past 12 years as well as many deserving conservative politicians. Sort of like cutting off your nose to spite your face, right?

DannoJyd on November 15, 2006 at 7:53 PM

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