Interesting what do think would happen to Republican responsiveness if the Libertarian got 50,000 votes? Why would a Senate filled with liberal RINO’s hell bent on passing amnesty, being replaced by Democrats that actually ran on conservative issues make me burn? That gives me more hope. I’m sure people in Montana and Missouri are just itching for amnesty. The X factor for senior Democrats is the freshman class, will they tow the party line or will they serve their constituency?

1.) Rick Santorum, Conrad Burns, James Talent and George Allen were not RINOS. Anyone in this country who thinks Santorum is a “moderate” or a “liberal” clearly needs their head examined.

2.) Once again, you’re relying on the myth that the Dems who won were all conservatives. Tester wants out of Iraq and wants to repeal the patriot act. McCaskill is a liberal, pro-choice and pro-embryonic stem cell research (obviously). Whitehouse and Sheldon Brown are both VERY liberal. Bob Casey is the only recognize conservative Democrat. Jim Webb is socially liberal, he’s said multiple times that he “always had a problem with the GOP on the social issues”, and thinks the Iraq War was a “massive blunder”. Simply being a military man does not make you a conservative by any means. He’s not. He’s essentially a centrist. And in the House, most picks up were in NY, CT, NH and PA. All liberal pick ups. Ron Klein in Florida, Yarmuth in Kentucky, Lampson in Texas, 2 liberals out in Arizona who campaigned for comprehensive immigration reform (amnesty) against firebrand anti-illegal immigrant J.D. Hayworth. Even Nacy Boyda out in Kansas. Liberal. Only 6 or 7 Dems who won were actual conservatives. Schuler in NC and the three Dems in Indiana. The rest were mostly liberal.

So don’t maintain anyhope that the Dems are going to govern from the centre-right. We’re not. We’re investigating the president, raising the minimum wage, negotiating with drug companies, passing amnesty and withdrawing soldiers from Iraq.

3.) Also, when you ask people if they support allowing illegal immigrants to become citizens by paying fines, learning English, taking background checks, etc… they actually say yes by about 60%. So yes, the American people support amnesty as long as you don’t call it amnesty. Every single poll has shown that.

Grebrook on November 13, 2006 at 4:53 PM

Wouldn’t be a shame to get amnesty, but lose the Black vote, be forced into replacing Stevens (who I hope is doing very well Allah) with Janice R. Brown. Watch Roe go on the chopping block, and have Hilary as your Presidential candidate, while running against a Gingrich/Steele ticket. Everything has a price.

1.) http://www.pollingreport.com/2008.htm#misc Newsweek poll: 58% say there is “no chance” they will vote for Gingrich. Keep dreaming.

2.) Democrats will reject Janice Rogers Brown. No one will care.

3.) No one in the black community is stupid enough to base their entire vote on gay marriage. Hence why your side was crushed in 2004, and again, more so, in 2006.

4.) Black Americans aren’t going to vote for anti-affirmative action Republicans because Democrats legalized 20 million illegal immigrants. I know you saw that episode of Hannity & Colmes where the black dude in the rastafari clothing claimed illegal immigration was more dangerous than slavery, and I know you thought it would be the salvation of black Republicans. It wasn’t. Not even Michael Steele could pull in 30% of the black vote in Maryland. It was a miserable train wreck.

Let me explain something to you Grebook. There are these things called trends. Trends show us what is going to happen in the future. Looking up statistics with no real knowledge of the real politik behind them only shows your ignorance and increases my hope. Hopefully the DNC thinks just like you do. “Hey we got 90%” we are safe. I’m sure you know what a tipping point is, and wouldn’t you know it most tipping points come at around 10%. Let me explain the real politik of the black community.

No, you failed to explain “trends”. There have been no “trends” in the black vote. In 2004 Bush got 12% of the black vote. In 2006 the GOP got 10%. If that’s a trend, I’m on board, because it’s heading in our direction.

Now, Mr.I-Know-What-Black-People-Think-Because-I’m-Black Republican, let me explain some trends to you.

1.) 18-24 year olds support gay marriage in the majority
2.) 18-24 year olds voted for Democrats by a margin of 60-38%, the most lopsided win in the youth vote ever recorded
3.) Black Republicans have been using the same rhetoric about how “Blacks will start voting Republican on social issues” for literally 20 years. And for twenty years, nothing has changed. Because most Americans are not stupid, and don’t really base their vote on social issues. They base them on fiscal matters, and African-Americans are not fiscally conservative.

That Michael Steele won 45% of the vote in a state where about 50% of the population is registered Democratic does not impress me. Ben Nelson won 60% of the vote in a state that is 50% Republican. Steele also held an advantage as lieutenant governor whom all of the voters were familiar with, whereas Ben Cardin was just a congressmen no one outside of hiw own district would have been aware of. The voters chose the unfamiliar Democrat over the familiar Republican.

Keep deluding yourself with your hysterical “BLACKS WILL START VOTING FOR US BECAUSE OF ABORTION!!! YOU’LL SEE!!! YOU’LL SEE!!!”. Same tired old lines has been playing for twenty years. And for twenty years, you have been flatlined at 10% of the black vote.

Grebrook on November 13, 2006 at 9:35 PM