A kinder, gentler Islamic fundamentalism?

posted at 6:31 pm on November 13, 2006 by Allahpundit

Iran’s trying to build the Bomb, AQ’s trying to get the Bomb, but in Indonesia, some of the locals want to take the “fun” out of fundamentalism. Or do they?

Southeast Asia’s biggest militant organization is apparently seeking to rein in its radical wing and invoke Islamic law against the indiscriminate anti-Western attacks demanded by Osama bin Laden…

The new trend, they say, follows a split within the [Jemaah Islamiya] movement into mainstream and pro-bombing factions that dates at least from the first Bali resort blast in 2002 and picked up speed through three subsequent suicide attacks.

But opinions are divided about how far-reaching any change may be…

“The ulama within JI wants to reimpose a classical understanding of Islamic law. The divergence of views on the (bin Laden) fatwa is greater than it was,” [Greg Fealy of Australian National University] said.

Zachary Abuza, a U.S. expert on Southeast Asia, is more cautious about any change in the secretive organization. “This is what they say in public. But what are they saying in private?” he said by telephone from Boston.

The problem with the “classical understanding” of Islamic law is that understandings have a habit of changing, particularly when there’s a lot of popular pressure on them to do so. Fortunately, as Kofi assures us, the Koran doesn’t encourage violence.

Assuming this report is true, might it signal a trend? The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Hizb ut-Tahrir internationally also support Islamic conquest through peaceful means — at least in public. It could be that Bush’s democracy agenda is creating an incentive for some Islamist movements to inch away from terrorism and towards popular election; Hamas, for example, has repeatedly pointed to its parliamentary victory as proof of legitimacy since it came to power. If the fundies’ paramount goal is being ruled by shari’a, then in theory they should pursue whatever means, peaceful or not, that will help them reach that goal most quickly.

Is shari’a their paramount goal, though? Or is the ideology intellectual cover for something else? I never know how much stock to put in armchair psycholoanalysis of jihad, but this guy claims to have been an actual jihadist himself once upon a time, so for what it’s worth:

He leans back, takes a deep breath and moves to another area, one that he says is far too seldom discussed: “North Americans are too squeamish about discussing the obvious sexual dynamic behind suicide bombings. If they understood contemporary Islamic society, they would understand the sheer sexual tension of Sunni Muslim men. Look at the figures for suicide bombings and see how few are from the Shiite world. Terrorism and violence yes, but not suicide. The overwhelming majority are from Sunnis. Now within the Shiite world there are what is known as temporary marriages, lasting anywhere from an hour to 95 years. It enables men to release their sexual frustrations.

“Islam condemns extra-marital sex as well as masturbation, which is also taught in the Christian tradition. But Islam also tells of unlimited sexual ecstasy in paradise with beautiful virgins for the martyr who gives his life for the faith. Don’t for a moment underestimate this blinding passion or its influence on those who accept fundamentalism.”

A pause. “I know. I was one who accepted it.”…

He’s exasperated now, visibly angry at what he sees as a willful Western foolishness. “Stop asking what you have done wrong. Stop it! They’re slaughtering you like sheep and you still look within. You criticize your history, your institutions, your churches. Why can’t you realize that it has nothing to do with what you have done but with what they want.”

Ironically, it might be more dangerous in the long run if radicals did wise up and temporarily renounce terrorism. A nonviolent approach for the time being would incline most westerners away from conflict, which would in turn allow would-be jihadis to expand their power base without fear of military intervention until they were in position to seriously threaten the west. It would also mean decades of horrors to come for minorities in the Middle East. No one minded terribly much when the Taliban was killing women in stadiums, after all. It was only when they killed them in American skyscrapers that we had to act.

Let’s hope the enemy continues to be (slightly) stupider than we are.

Update: Or maybe the UN’s right. Maybe it really is all about Israel.


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More lies,plain and simple.WE cannot rest until the enemy is vanquished,and they are the enemy of the West.

bbz123 on November 13, 2006 at 6:41 PM

Crack open that whole REVELATIONS thingy…I think they mention it in there…toward the END.

Have a cupcake. There’s not a DAMNED thing we can do.

seejanemom on November 13, 2006 at 6:43 PM

Moderate rhetoric is a red herring. It’s just too soon in the history of WWIII. The only way the jihad can be stopped is to make it too costly for them to continue…and all the evidence is to the contrary.

R. O. P. M. A.

RushBaby on November 13, 2006 at 6:45 PM

A UN-sponsored group called the Alliance of Civilizations, created last year to find ways to bridge the growing divide between Muslim and Western societies, released a first report Monday that says the conflict over Israel and the Palestinian territories is the central driver in global tensions.

…y’think?

…you know them wacky internationalist bureaucrats…always so ready to reinvent the wheel…if they can bend it to their ideological advantage…or jet-set to another useless symposium…at full per diem….

…tell me something, guys…where’ve you been for the *LAST SIXTY YEARS*???

…it’s the jihad, stupid….

Puritan1648 on November 13, 2006 at 6:47 PM

to build an alliance of civilizations
The UN’s High Level Group report includes a set of concrete recommendations for the international community. Among the recommendations:

The international community should draft a white paper to analyze the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. (Oh yeah the British White Paper on Palestine worked out real well)

• An international conference should be convened to reinvigorate the Middle East peace process.(Led by who? The EU? An organization that is willing to sacrifice Israel in the hope of appeasment. Russia? China? Venezula?)

Ruling parties in the Muslim world should provide space for the participation of peaceful political groups.(Yeah right. Freedom of politics is like freedom of religion in the Muslim world…..non-exsistant)

• Leaders and shapers of public opinion should behave responsibly and work to promote understanding among cultures.(Oh like NOT calling for the destruction of Israel?)

The UN should appoint a high representative to assist in defusing cross-cultural tensions.(Yeah, like maybe France’s LePen?)

• The UN should establish a forum for the alliance of civilizations under its auspices.(In other words, hey Israel ALL of us are against you!)

Journalists should receive improved training in intercultural understanding.(Really? Not about telling the story but about tolerance….gee….propaganda at it’s finest)

• Media content should aim to promote intercultural dialogue.(Again……let the media TELL everyone how nice everyone is)

• Educational materials and media literacy programs in schools should face a critical review.(Editor in chief…Noam Chomsky)

• Governments should increase the number of international youth exchanges and youth-oriented websites.(LOL….yeah…if I was an Israeli parent I would be just delighted to send my children to Iran for a ‘cultural exchange’ —read hostages)

The international community should create media campaigns to combat discrimination.(Affirmative action for hate groups)

Source: United Nations Fourth High Level Group, http://www.unaoc.org

Yeah I trust the U.N. to fix the Middle East. They started fixing the problems in 48 and look how much progress they have made in 58 years!

Israel is NOT the problem. It is the excuse. We would be better off turning the U.N. into a housing project and sending the rent money to Israel to help buy more weapons.

Limerick on November 13, 2006 at 6:59 PM

It would also mean decades of horrors to come for minorities in the Middle East. No one minded terribly much when the Taliban was killing women in stadiums, after all.

Dude, that wording is stone cold brilliant. You have a keen way of starkly assessing the true awfulness of this hopeless world.

You must drink every day. I sure do.

Enrique on November 13, 2006 at 7:04 PM

We would be better off turning the U.N. into a housing project and sending the rent money to Israel to help buy more weapons. — Limerick

…a crackerjack idea! Wake me up if they need a slum lord.

Puritan1648 on November 13, 2006 at 7:08 PM

The only way the jihad can be stopped is to make it too costly for them to continue…..

…bleed ‘em white. When they can’t stand up, they’ll give martyrdom a re-think.

For too long, we’ve been bringing tea cozies to this Middle Eastern knife-fight. Time to arrange a “lend-lease” with Israel…ordnance…on spec….

Puritan1648 on November 13, 2006 at 7:11 PM

Kofi’s only part right; parts of the Koran don’t condone violence, but the parts that abrogate it virtually demand it.
Frank Gafney is his book Infiltration believes we need to put an oath of loyalty to every American Muslim (of course, the hard core ones would lie or practice taqiya).
As a default position, I’m gonna go with Ronald Reagan sort of, Don’t trust, but verify.
In the meantime, seejanemom has the right idea and I love cupcakes!

Jen the Neocon on November 13, 2006 at 7:14 PM

Well, Kofi “assures” us. That’s all I need to know, and Muslim men becoming suicide bombers to release sexual frustration is, frankly, more than I need to know.

thedecider on November 13, 2006 at 7:24 PM

I know that I blow up when I’m sexually frustrated. I just kick the cat or something, though. I think its healthier.

lorien1973 on November 13, 2006 at 7:41 PM

So now we’re calling them Islamic funDamentalists?

PaisleyCow on November 13, 2006 at 7:41 PM

…bleed ‘em white. When they can’t stand up, they’ll give martyrdom a re-think.

For too long, we’ve been bringing tea cozies to this Middle Eastern knife-fight. Time to arrange a “lend-lease” with Israel…ordnance…on spec….

You sound like a bloodthirsty psychopath, relishing the chance to go to war and delighting in the slaughter of the enemny. Go back to 1648. Thank God you’re too outrageous too actually have any sort of power.

JaHerer22 on November 13, 2006 at 7:52 PM

You sound like a bloodthirsty psychopath,
JaHerer22

It’s not really war is it? I mean it can’t be war. I mean like this is the 21st century. War is bad. Real bad. I mean, like, dude, people get hurt in a war, and like thats bad yaknow.

Yep it’s a war. Bleed ‘em white and bleach the bones.

Limerick on November 13, 2006 at 8:10 PM

Let’s hope they do start a trend to peaceful coexistance, but until that happens we MUST keep killing the terrorist bastards over THERE and keep ‘em too busy to attack us HERE.

Anybody who loves ANYBODY must prefer to fight them in THEIR cities and not let them bring the fight to OUR cities. Libs, do you have husbands, wives, “partners”, moms, dads, daughters or sons whom you DON’T wanna see die in a car bombing attack on Main Street USA? Yeah, well then support the president, our troops AND their mission and STOP DIVIDING OUR COUNTRY! The enemy uses this against us.

On that note, everybody watch Glenn Beck Wed nite, he’s gonna do a hour of islamic terrorists’ own words about what they wanna do to us. Libs, listen up, hear them say it their own words, then come back here and tell us we don’t need to fight these animals.

Fight the bad guys, train the good guys to fight the bad guys for us then move on to the next enemy or else the enemy brings the fight to us!

Wake up libs! Your dream of a socialist utopia will be replaced by bin laden’s dream of a world wide caliphate and YOU will either convert or die.

Stupid suicidal assholes. I mean libs, not terrorists.

Tony737 on November 13, 2006 at 9:09 PM

You sound like a bloodthirsty psychopath, relishing the chance to go to war and delighting in the slaughter of the enemny. Go back to 1648. Thank God you’re too outrageous too [sic] actually have any sort of power.

JaHerer22 on November 13, 2006 at 7:52 PM

What on earth are you saying? The bloodthirsty are too outrageous to actually have any sort of power? Dear girl, the bloodthirsty have power in many places. We’re looking for something with which to counter them, but all we ever manage to elect are p-ssies.

Kralizec on November 13, 2006 at 9:20 PM

I haven’t finished reading Mark Steyn’s book yet! I bet by the end he tells us how this mess is going to end so far he been right, with events happening the last several days.

StuLongIsland on November 13, 2006 at 9:45 PM

You sound like a bloodthirsty psychopath, relishing the chance to go to war and delighting in the slaughter of the enemny. Go back to 1648. Thank God you’re too outrageous too actually have any sort of power. — JaHerer22

What I wrote earlier, which gave rise to this response, might’ve looked a little raw. I’ll take that on-board.

…but, before you start spitting like a drag-queen diva, let me tell you a thing or three…you seemingly prissy, pampered little judgmental pussy…cat….

Unless you are in about your forties, I was in uniform when you were in diapers. I stayed for quite a while. My wife’s retiring from her stint in uniform none too sone…but, not before having served in Bosnia during “Clinton’s Air Show” in Bosnia.

…and, I’ve got two boys in uniform now. The defense of this country is…well…the “family biz”….

So…it’s not just all blog and bluster with me…as Ice-T once said, *I AIN’T NEW TO DIS*.

There. A little “absolute moral authority” snatched out of thin air.

I don’t want anyone dead in Beirut, Gaza and Baghdad. There’re a lot of nice people there, who’ve been through a lot. Then again, neither you nor I are making the decisions, are we?

Right now, we have all the hardware, but *THE BAD GUYS HAVE THE INIATIVE*.

They send their women into the teeth of Israeli forces to steal their men out of jail…and they count on the Israelis to “do the right thing”. We limit the rules of engagement all over the world, and our boys get whacked, trying to “do the right thing”.

We get all gooey over posed pics out of Beirut, naked numbers killed by their neighbors in Baghdad, rumors of violence in Afganistan…and then we have theoretically-minded little political bottom-feeders like you reminding us ad nauseum about “no WMDs”, how “Saddam didn’t have anything to do with 9/11″…you’re ready to climb on the bandwagon to condemn better men than yourselves for things they do *in combat*. You are all afire to “do the right thing” the way your snot-nosed little comicbook worldview dictates that it *should* be…regardless of how it *is*.

I don’t want Arabs dead any more than you do. Then again, I don’t think you really care…as long as you win little argument points with these nasty “fascist” conservatives on this safe little discussion board….

I want it calm in the Middle East. I want ‘em buying Playstations and Microsoft’s latest flawed product. I wan’t ‘em driving Buicks.

More to the point, I *need* ‘em to shut off all of this counter-productive “Death to…” sh*t. I need ‘em to go to school, build their benighted little country into something it has a *chance* of being…not just another dirty, backward, medieval third-world p*sshole, full of people blaming everyone but themselves for the knee-deep filth they have to stand in. You need ‘em succeeding, too.

They have to stop. They haven’t shown any inclination to do so. So, their not stopping means that you have to kill them. It’s that simple.

They say “we worship death” and aspire to kill to be a “martyr” enough times, you have to take ‘em at their word.

We can’t slither back behind our oceans. The world’s gotten smaller, and oceans and borders are meaningless in these times. Law enforcement is hamstrung by your sort, shouting “racism” when you see something which sends ripples across your “chi”. It’s an irregular warfare wonderland in the good ol’ USA.

So…consider that you don’t know me, and let it all pass.

Settle back into your narrow, comfortable little world, where the latest Hollywood release and the latest version of “Grand Theft Auto” may be the closest thing you ever get not only to danger, but to physical exercion.

I know what makes these guys run. Unfortunately, I know what it’ll take to stop ‘em if they can’t control themselves.

You can believe me or you bugger off. It makes very little difference to me.

Puritan1648 on November 13, 2006 at 11:16 PM

Well said Puritan

Griz on November 14, 2006 at 12:04 AM

I happy to hear these talks of moderation, but of course the proof is in the pudding.

Maybe the promising example from Afganistan of the benefits of a less radical Islam and the scary example of Iraq where radical islam puts everyones life in danger have sunk in with many.

Clark1 on November 14, 2006 at 12:47 AM

In a statement, Mr. Kofi Annan said it was clear that religion is not at the root of current tensions.

“The problem is not the Koran or the Torah or the Bible,” Mr. Annan said. “The problem is never the faith, it is the faithful and how they behave towards each other.”

The problem is with imbeciles like Kofi Annan making idiotic statements like the one above, and the mind-set required to concieve, much less believe, such drivel.

“it was clear that religion is not…”–If it is so “clear”, why am I not getting it? When a school of religious belief teaches that killing is good, that 72 virgins await for those who blow themselves up along with as many other human beings as possible, that infidels should either convert or be slaughtered, it is SO CLEAR that religion COULDN’T POSSIBLY be the cause of “current tensions.”

U.N. = Useless Nitwits

Kofi Annan = Useless Nitwit

U.N. + Kofi Annan = Dangerous Stupidity

hillbillyjim on November 14, 2006 at 2:05 AM

..Puritan1648 on November 13, 2006 at 11:16 PM

….

Well said and well deserved. Thank you.

hillbillyjim on November 14, 2006 at 2:09 AM

Once again I nominate Puritan the Wayne Gretzky of Hotair.

Tony737 on November 14, 2006 at 9:03 AM

Once again I nominate Puritan the Wayne Gretzky of Hotair. — Tony737

…will *SOMEBODY* tell me what that means? Please.

I really don’t know anything about the man. I don’t follow curling.

Puritan1648 on November 14, 2006 at 9:39 AM