MI5 chief: Britain facing 30 years of terrorism

posted at 12:28 am on November 10, 2006 by Allahpundit

One of the most relentlessly dire news articles I’ve ever read. What will the UK look like in ten years? In twenty?

I stopped by Melanie Phillips’s site to see if she’d written about it yet. Nope — but she did have something to say about the midterms.

The widespread popular disaffection with the war in Iraq, which was clearly a significant (although by no means the only) factor behind the loss of Republican control, is not the same as the anti-war feeling in Britain. That is founded upon the view that the war was illegitimate from the start, that Saddam was never a threat and all the rest of it. The American public, by contrast, does not by and large seem to think the war was illegitimate. President Bush’s crime was simply not to have won it. The Americans never expected a fight in Iraq; now they’ve got one, and it’s messy and bloody and mistakes have been made and there seems to be no end to it, they want to cut their losses and get out.

Such an attitude shows an absence of either maturity or historical awareness. Insurgencies take a long time to defeat. As I have previously written, the British took four years to work out what they were doing wrong in trying to defeat the insurgency in Malaya, and when they finally arrived at the right strategy took a further eight years actually to wrestle the insurgency to the ground. The US has been in Iraq for only three years. It is in the nature of such things that they take a long time, and that there are inevitably many mistakes and wrong turnings along the way. To vote in a bunch of people who have no stomach at all for fighting for the country’s defence, simply through impatience that the country hasn’t fought for it effectively enough, betrays serious confusion and lack of resolve. And it is precisely that which will now give such heart to our enemies.

The Congressional Progressive Caucus is meeting next week with George McGovern.

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WOW. And it’s possible Dame Eliza has minimized the threat…
I love Melanie Phillips and she is pretty much right on (although the Brits are at pains to “get” our political system and what Americans are really all about. The only “foreigner” who really gets us completely is Mark Stein.)
Melanie doesn’t opine here about the mass of anti-war British feeling. I think Blair is only just managing to keep the UK in as our ally and they keep asking him to step down. Even the Tory guy Cameron isn’t very strong on the war.
And while Tony supports us in Iraq and Afghanistan, he takes the side of the Paleostinians against Israel and his government has made major domestic concessions to Brit Muslims, like promising to notify their “religious leaders” before any anti-terror raids!
If what this report says is true about 200 sleeper cells with 1600+ jihadis, how are they ever going to catch anyone if they get a heads up before the authorities get there?
What this doesn’t say is that Britain will be lucky to get 30 years of terror attacks! If they’re not lucky, they’ll be an Islamic state under shar’ia in 15 years (sooner if QEII dies and Charles becomes King). Word.

Jen the Neocon on November 10, 2006 at 12:45 AM

Melanie doesn’t opine here about the mass of anti-war British feeling. I think Blair is only just managing to keep the UK in as our ally and they keep asking him to step down. Even the Tory guy Cameron isn’t very strong on the war. Jen the Neocon on November 10, 2006 at 12:45 AM

Understatement. Not that they aren’t really strong, but to Britain, this is not their fight like, say, World War II.

And while Tony supports us in Iraq and Afghanistan, he takes the side of the Paleostinians against Israel and his government has made major domestic concessions to Brit Muslims, like promising to notify their “religious leaders” before any anti-terror raids

!

There’s a reason for this – Britain has a history with both Israel and Palestine going back to the Balfour Declaration.

Needless to say about the rest that Britain has been (up until now) quietly taken from within, just like much of Europe by immigration – just like we will be if we aren’t careful.

What this doesn’t say is that Britain will be lucky to get 30 years of terror attacks! If they’re not lucky, they’ll be an Islamic state under shar’ia in 15 years (sooner if QEII dies and Charles becomes King). Word

All too true. The real question is – how far behind are we?

Emmett J. on November 10, 2006 at 1:08 AM

Britain’s record isn’t exactly too clean vis-a-vis Israel and Jews:
they closed the UK to Jewish immigrants from Nazi Germany in the ’30′s and severely restricted any Jewish emigration to then Palestine.
The nascent Israelis (Palmach, predecessors to the IDF and Massad) had to bomb the King David Hotel which was full of British officers as a final way to say, “Let our people go.” on the way to getting their own state.

Bin Laden likes to babble about the injustice of the Balfour Declaration and the ensuing Cairo Conference of 1921, too.

Jen the Neocon on November 10, 2006 at 1:14 AM

Melanie’s book is a *must read* on the topic of jihadism.

Such an attitude shows an absence of either maturity or historical awareness.

…now, that’s America *all over*!

Insurgencies take a long time to defeat. As I have previously written, the British took four years to work out what they were doing wrong in trying to defeat the insurgency in Malaya, and when they finally arrived at the right strategy took a further eight years actually to wrestle the insurgency to the ground. The US has been in Iraq for only three years.

…and a steaming puddle of just this sort of analysis that our Leftist neighbors need to have their snouts rubbed into daily. Wars aren’t sitcoms…things aren’t resolved in 22 minute (with commercials), before Dad gets home.

To vote in a bunch of people who have no stomach at all for fighting for the country’s defence…betrays serious confusion and lack of resolve. And it is precisely that which will now give such heart to our enemies.

…imagine the glee in Teheran every time MoveON and the Worker’s World morons unfurl their banners and march out those ugly “parade puppets” of theirs. The problem with a free country is that, without the maturity and judgment needed to maintain personal and societal discipline, it is as free to commit suicide as to do anything else…and often rushes to suicide because it is in the nature of selfish people to be dramatic.

Ms. Phillips has this problem nailed. Is anyone other than tired, dried-out old right-y ideologues reading her book? I doubt it. It upsets to many fuzzy, comfy Left-y paradigms.

…she and folks like Steyn and others are only doing what we all should do: take the jihadis at their word.

Puritan1648 on November 10, 2006 at 1:21 AM

Ms. Phillips has this problem nailed. Is anyone other than tired, dried-out old right-y ideologues reading her book? I doubt it. It upsets to many fuzzy, comfy Left-y paradigms.

…she and folks like Steyn and others are only doing what we all should do: take the jihadis at their word.

Puritan1648 on November 10, 2006 at 1:21 AM

Yes, indeedy – do! She certainly has got it nailed as you said! We risk not listening to them (the Jihadi’s) at our own risk!

Now if we can only collectively wake up before it is too late!

Emmett J. on November 10, 2006 at 1:35 AM

If they’re tracking 1600 terrorists there, i wonder how many we’re tracking in America?

Scot on November 10, 2006 at 3:04 AM

I’m sure this big confab with Congressional Progressive Caucus will be SO productive.

“The best way to reduce this insurgency is to get the American forces out of there,” McGovern said. “That’s what’s driving this insurgency.”

McGovern told the audience Thursday that the Iraq and Vietnam wars were equally “foolish enterprises” and that the current threat of terrorism developed because — not before — the United States went into Iraq.

Unbelieveable! Reckon Cindy Sheehan will be special guest?

hillbillyjim on November 10, 2006 at 3:25 AM

I don’t disagree with Melanie that we would be showing immaturity to just give up on the region because it would require a long slog. But I think we would be best served by recalibrating our forces to pressure Iran. We will have to be ready to deal with Iran anyway.

The problem is that Iran has a lot of petrodollars at their disposal, and we’ve never really put any appreciable pressure on them. We were purely reactive with regard to the havoc that Iran caused in Iraq.

Mark V. on November 10, 2006 at 5:50 AM

Melanie is right on target with “absence of historical awareness”. Not enough of us are educated on the history and the spread of islam. Our terrorist enemies are following the same playbook that they’ve been using for 1,300 years and they’re still fighting the same war that their false prophet started in the 620′s.

Also, too many people in this country want everything wrapped up in nice, neat little packages because, as Puritan rightly pointed out, that’s what they’re used to. They watch too much T.V. I normally use the two hour movie metaphor but maybe the half hour sitcom metaphor is even more accurate.

Too many of our fellow countrymen need to turn off “The View”, go to the bookstore and start reading books about islam. They need to start with “The Politically Incorrect Guide To Islam” just to get the basics. Wake up America, before islam WAKES you up!

Tony737 on November 10, 2006 at 6:27 AM

NOW they tell us…..how about that whole November SIXTH THING….

seejanemom on November 10, 2006 at 7:43 AM

Melanie is right on target with “absence of historical awareness”.

We’re seeing the fruits of decades of liberally-controlled public schools.

SouthernGent on November 10, 2006 at 8:43 AM

Thirty years only if we’re really lucky.

Yes, Melanie’s right. But you’re missing the part where she says she thinks America get hit again soon.

I think that’s right, too.

ahem on November 10, 2006 at 9:23 AM

Oh come on. Remember what Ollie Stone said,”Terrorism can be managed, we can live with it”. (Intense sarcasm intended)

vcferlita on November 10, 2006 at 9:47 AM

The failed policy of trying to “understand” the Muslims while cowtowing to every perceived slight has lead to this sorry state of affairs.
The Brits let the WORST of the WORST agitators of EXTREME Islam into their country and promptly let them go wild. Not merely content with advocating violence around the world, Britian also saw fit to SUBSIDIZE these people on very generous welfare payments. Not having to be gainfully employed leaves a LOT of time to plot, plan, influence, groom and briainwash. They did and now look at things. God Save Britian, they are going down quickly.

labwrs on November 10, 2006 at 9:57 AM

God Save Britian, they are going down quickly.

And right before their own eyes…yet they yawn.

It’ll soon be the U.S. and Australia and ?

SouthernGent on November 10, 2006 at 10:28 AM

Sooner or later Britain is going to have to see what multiculturalism has always been–the cultural wing of communism, a way to kill a capitalist nation that espouses freedoms.

A devout Muslim will never be a “citizen” of any country that is not majority Muslim.

Britain is going to have to face a stark choice in the near future: Deport Muslims back to Pakistan or to any other Muslim country, or cease to exist as a Western nation with freedoms.

Thank God most of our immigration is Catholic from Latin America and not Muslim.

januarius on November 10, 2006 at 10:38 AM

I give the Brits a little more credit than that. Rowdy soccer hooligans could clear out the country in a few hours. And they will. Enough succesfull terror cells and, it. IS. ON.

But this is a great reason to not let Saudi Arabia flood our country with their “students.” Lets give non jihadi countries a shot at entry. And conservatives need to ditch the BMW and have another child.

Theworldisnotenough on November 10, 2006 at 11:03 AM

Time is a factor. We in the U.S. live in the age of the microwave oven. Today’s people expect everything to be accomplished in a short amount of time. Our short attention span is evident every night the news plays out. We go from one news item to the next. Involved in a scandal? Just lay low it will pass when the next person steps in the cr*p. Unlike many folks I celebrated the passing of the Congress and Senate to the democrats. I bought a new Remington Model 7400. Just in case.

SPIFF1669 on November 10, 2006 at 11:18 AM

The Brits will figure it out eventually.

Unfortunately, it will take a several more 7/11′s before they do.

thirteen28 on November 10, 2006 at 11:36 AM

…too many people in this country want everything wrapped up in nice, neat little packages because…that’s what they’re used to. They watch too much T.V.

We have it pretty good in America. By and large, we don’t need to gather wood to heat water…we don’t even need to fetch the water anymore. We want to go places and folks trip over themselves to pick us up, take us there, and wipe out chins when we over-indulge. We’re also very parochial, once the fault of our oceans, not the fault of our expectations…of further service and convenience.

…for heaven’s sake, we spend more on clothes in this country than some countries spend on defense…and certain folks among our number often wear the britches they buy a few times before they’re either out of style or have become “too small”…in the waist…er…so to speak….

Americans have become so accustomed to convenience that they think that wars should be governed by the same rules as business. O’Reilly says that wars are a performance business, and that’s true; he then launches into a diatribe about how messed up things are in Iraq, demanding action, when my assessment of him from reading his books and regularly watching his show is that he doesn’t know whereof he speaks…except that something somewhere is somewhat messed up.

We should expect results when its our treasure and our sons and daughters in the hazard. We should *ALSO* expect history to take a while to unfold.

We shouldn’t set our minds or our expectations into sync with the 24-hour news cycle, which is content-starved and has proven that its standards of patience are on par with its standards of accuracy and use of language.

The definition of victory is simple. The bad guys are folks how’ve made no bones whatsoever about wanting us dead. They have stated this somewhat more plainly than did the Vietnamese, Koreans, Nazis and Imperial Japanese. They preach it in their little temples. Victory is them not doing that any more. It may be because they don’t dare, they’re afraid to do so. It may be because there isn’t any audience anymore, either because their co-religionists are either converted to another god or have been converted to fertilizer…along with water, a thing that the Middle East could use.

When the terrorists are too afraid themselves to terrorize, we’ve won. That’ll take time.

Puritan1648 on November 10, 2006 at 12:24 PM

Sooner or later Britain is going to have to see what multiculturalism has always been–the cultural wing of communism, a way to kill a capitalist nation that espouses freedoms.

…multiculturalism is “divide and conquer” by another name.
Take Rome as an example. The city itself, let alone the empire, was pretty cosmopolitian, but still citizenship meant something. You may’ve been a North African, a Gaul, or a Jew, but you were Roman. There was a certain amount of assimilation expected for the goodies you acquired.

Today, assimilation is seen as surrender and is described as racist. Pratically speaking, how can you maintain a nation made up of pockets of stubbornly different nationalities?

I once opined on a blog or list somewhere that America’s the most ethnically, linguistically and religiously diverse, and so culturally diverse, nation on the planet. I was corrected. India, my friend said, is more diverse. That is true, I believe. Look at the success that is India, culturally. Look at the fun and games attendent upon its formation as a nation. It’s never completely overcome its founding as a nation, one aspect being its relations with Pakistan. How many wars there since 1948?

A devout Muslim will never be a “citizen” of any country that is not majority Muslim.

…true…their holy book won’t let ‘em. Islam is a totalitarian cult.

Puritan1648 on November 10, 2006 at 12:33 PM

Today, assimilation is seen as surrender and is described as racist. Pratically speaking, how can you maintain a nation made up of pockets of stubbornly different nationalities? Puritan1648 on November 10, 2006 at 12:33 PM

You have hit it right on the head with your lat two entries!

The sad part is, that we are in the same danger concerning trying to maintain a national identity with pockets of stubbornly differing nationalities who do not have any desire to assimilate other than to enjoy the freedoms that are unique to America.

Rome (and by extension the Roman Empire) got itself into such a mess. While I know that this comparison is simplistic in many respects, in many ways, I also feel that it should be instructive.

Where the people feel no connection to where they are, there is no loyalty when that place is endangered.

Such will be our calamity if we need these to defend our homeland. It may well not happen.

Our true strength has always been that of the melting pot – stronger together than seperate.

Or as, I believe, Lincoln said, “a house divided against itself cannot stand”.

Neither can we.

Emmett J. on November 10, 2006 at 1:26 PM

Sooner or later Britain is going to have to see what multiculturalism has always been–the cultural wing of communism, a way to kill a capitalist nation that espouses freedoms.

A devout Muslim will never be a “citizen” of any country that is not majority Muslim.

Britain is going to have to face a stark choice in the near future: Deport Muslims back to Pakistan or to any other Muslim country, or cease to exist as a Western nation with freedoms.

Thank God most of our immigration is Catholic from Latin America and not Muslim.

januarius on November 10, 2006 at 10:38 AM

So far – however, that is changing, too – Look at such enclaves such as Dearbornistan, Northern Ohio, West Virginia, the midwest, and various other places throughout the US. They do not have to emigrate when they are being created right here under our noses!

The seed that they have planted has born fruit and we will be the worse because of it – we have native born Americans converting to Islam and openly stating that they would act on behalf of their faith first to the point that they consider themselves Muslims first and Americans second (or third, etc..)

As far as communism goes, you may not be too far off – after all Lenin did say that he would bury capitalism and thay they would sell us the rope to hang ourselves with.

I’m not fully sure that departation would be the best solution – it may help for some of the problem. However, how do you deal fully with your homegrown jihadists if they number in the millions? It may well be that we have to make it so that –

When the terrorists are too afraid themselves to terrorize, we’ve won. That’ll take time.

Puritan1648 on November 10, 2006 at 12:24 PM

And the magic question is: do we have time? and if so, how much?

Emmett J. on November 10, 2006 at 1:36 PM

If they would just elect more collaborators like we do they wouldn’t have this problem. Oh joyous day!

Muahahhahaha! Who’s the colony now?

Cary on November 10, 2006 at 1:49 PM

If they’re tracking 1600 terrorists there, i wonder how many we’re tracking in America?

Scot on November 10, 2006 at 3:04 AM

Uh, were tracking … now that the the Dhimm’s are the majority, the only tracking allowed will be to make sure they got their check from the government.

IrishEyes on November 10, 2006 at 2:04 PM

/end of sarcasm

IrishEyes on November 10, 2006 at 2:04 PM

1600 Terrorists in Britian
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,228577,00.html
12000 in Iraq
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,228636,00.html
a large part of the population in France
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,226061,00.html
open war between Islamic Arabs and African Christians
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Nov08/0,4670,ChadDarfurEffect,00.html
Islamic run societies that kill others
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,228540,00.html

Those 2 seas and the Rio Grande separating us from Caos is not very comforting any longer.

Resolute on November 10, 2006 at 5:24 PM

Puritan, re: your example of India, they’ve been fighting the Muslims back for 700 years!
Don’t ask the Sikhs about “tolerance,” though…and their religion requires them to carry a knife, just to be on the safe side.
Good on them, anyway.

Jen the Neocon on November 10, 2006 at 5:53 PM