Minuteman Project: Did Bush throw the election?
posted at 5:08 pm on November 9, 2006 by Allahpundit
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They’re not to be confused with the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. The Corps is the group headed by Chris Simcox; the Project is the one led by Jim Gilchrist that got bum-rushed at Columbia. The two aren’t affiliated with each other.
Which, I’m betting, Chris Simcox is pretty happy about right now:
Most pundits agree that if Rumsfeld was to be replaced, it would have been much better for Republicans had the announcement been made before the elections. And with the razor-thin losses of key Republican candidates to supposedly “conservative” Democrats, it seems clear that a little more money or other support from the President or national GOP headquarters might have kept the House and Senate from turning over to Democrat control.
“Here you have conservative candidates and some incumbents who were solidly in favor of protecting our borders – a position with which the overwhelming American majority agrees,” commented Minuteman Founder Jim Gilchrist. “Bush has been unable to pass his amnesty program through the GOP-controlled Congress, but he won’t give up, so why wouldn’t he welcome a more compliant Democrat-led pro-illegal alien Congress, where he wouldn’t have effective opposition from his own party?”
Today’s speech by the President tends to confirm Gilchrist’s ruminations.
I think they mean yesterday’s speech. The question: in his fervor to prevent Mexicans from invading America, did Jim Gilchrist neglect to prevent The Crazy from invading his brain?
Hat tip to YACRWB, whose skepticism I share. This calls for a video tribute. Not exactly on point, but close enough.
Update: He’s looking less crazy by the moment.
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Let’s not follow the nutroots down Crazy Street.
Clark1 on November 9, 2006 at 5:11 PM
Well, you either have to believe Dubya is a totally incompetent bumbling nitwit, or that everything happened in accordance with an Evil Master Plan. You make the call!
Lehuster on November 9, 2006 at 5:19 PM
There goes the legitimacy of the safer-borders activists. I concur with Clark; Gilchrist’s suggestions, if he keeps leaning on them, could lead open-borders advocates to paint him and the Minutemen in general as paranoid over-reactors.
Threw the election, my ass – lost it fair and square.
mikeomatic on November 9, 2006 at 5:22 PM
Yep, this is a little bellyaching from post-election trauma, I’d guess. Ignore the behavior and it will cease, hopefully.
Although we did go from a Speaker with an A grade on immigration to one with an F grade…in fact the worst voting record on immigration in Congress, out of all members, it’s not Bush’s fault- it’s the Cut and Run Conservative’s fault!
There should be some nice replies to that comment…
NTWR on November 9, 2006 at 5:22 PM
THAT IS A HEFTY ACCUSATION, but he has been drifting off course since this whole Mexican thing started…can anyone remember when THAT was?
seejanemom on November 9, 2006 at 5:26 PM
Think about it really, really, really hard !!!
stenwin77 on November 9, 2006 at 5:27 PM
As in, I think he (Bush) may have.
stenwin77 on November 9, 2006 at 5:27 PM
Hola mis amigos, welcome to the
Emergency Roomthe Welfare OfficeEstados UnidosNorth American Free Trade Zone.seejanemom on November 9, 2006 at 5:30 PM
I don’t buy the election throwing. But it’s still baffling why Bush wants to legalize millions of potential Democrat voters.
Hoodlumman on November 9, 2006 at 5:30 PM
I guess BUsh won’t even care when they overrun Texas. HE won’t even know on his GAJILLION ACRES SURROUNDED BY TAX PAYER FUNDED BORDER GUARDS WITH RED NECKTIES.
seejanemom on November 9, 2006 at 5:31 PM
Again, pay attention, the Minuteman Project is not to be confused with the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. Two different organizations; the latter (i.e. led by the sane one) is the one building the fence.
It’s important to distinguish exactly becuase of what you said in your post – the MSM as well as the open borders advocates will try to confuse the two and paint them all as a bunch of whackos in order to shame others away from supporting the very legitimate goal of securing our borders and enforcing laws against illegal immigration.
thirteen28 on November 9, 2006 at 5:34 PM
Just because you’re paranoid it doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you.
Pablo on November 9, 2006 at 5:37 PM
quax1 on November 9, 2006 at 5:38 PM
I’m sure he’s looking forward to the endless investigations and perhaps even impeachment just to get an immigration bill passed…. How totally ridiculous.
TheBigOldDog on November 9, 2006 at 5:39 PM
If bush threw the election it was to allow the dems to do the cut and run from Iraq that he could not do. His nominee for SECDEF was on the committe that is gong to propose cutting and runnig from iraq. I have come to the conclusion that iraq is a lost cause. Not because of anything that we have done but because of the culture over there. The dems cut and run the president complains and when things go to hell over there he can still save face. The dems look like schmucks. just sayin.
elBarto on November 9, 2006 at 5:40 PM
He discussed guest worker programs before the election – the 2000 election.
Tink on November 9, 2006 at 5:41 PM
It was the most perfectly planned scheme, ever ever. – Bush (same episode of Southpark)
lorien1973 on November 9, 2006 at 5:41 PM
Is Bush that hard up for a cheap gardener? I’m confused.
lorien1973 on November 9, 2006 at 5:42 PM
I have come to the conclusion that iraq is a lost cause. Not because of anything that we have done but because of the culture over there.
No, it is a lost cause because of the culture HERE, not over there.
Lehuster on November 9, 2006 at 5:45 PM
Immigration reform is the right thing to do, but Republicans will never win elections running on it because they will easily be painted as bigots by the dems and the media and independents will eat that up just like they ate up the anti-war nonsense.
Scot on November 9, 2006 at 5:45 PM
What is wrong with a guest worker program? LEt them come and work. Require that they speak english and get implanted with rfid so we can track them.
elBarto on November 9, 2006 at 5:47 PM
From YARCB:
What principled conservative among us has supported Bush since 2004? I had to vote Libertarian that year because the combined big government stench of W and Kerry. North American Union- is anyone listening?
Valiant on November 9, 2006 at 5:47 PM
You mean potential workers for the BIG BUSINESS BUDDIES LIKE TYSON??—Who shut DOWN on MAY 1st this year (Dont take a Mexican to work day)—BY THE WAY…
seejanemom on November 9, 2006 at 5:47 PM
BTW, This is the first you’re noticing that Gilchrist is a loon? Have you not seen his appearences on Fox? The guy’s been certifiable from day one.
Scot on November 9, 2006 at 5:49 PM
I concur…
brtex on November 9, 2006 at 5:49 PM
I’m listening, VALIANT. LOUD AND CLEAR. You might find a better home with the Crunchy Cons..(see link)
seejanemom on November 9, 2006 at 5:50 PM
lehuster, you can lead a horse to water but you cna not stop him from killing his neighbor because of his religious beliefs. I agree we have problems over here but I cannot remember the last time the dems or repubs killed judges and politicians because they did not like a decision made. I do not worry that I will be killed because I voted republican.
elBarto on November 9, 2006 at 5:50 PM
Seejanemom, I’m just a crunchy Reagan paleocon. Thanks.
Valiant on November 9, 2006 at 5:53 PM
Okay. It might be fun to put forth one of those NutRoots conspiracy theories. How about this one?
George Bush is welcoming Hispanic illegals because mass invasion of this country by liberal Catholics from Mexico (who are inclined to vote for Democrats) is infinitely preferable to invasion of the country by Islamofascists (people that are to determined to kill anyone that does not pray to Allah five times a day). In THAT regard, we here in the U.S. are WAY better off than the Europeans. Clever of ol’ W to draw Mexico into a war with Islam that way. After all, it was the Spanish speaking Christian peoples that drove the Moors/Muslims out of Spain in 1492. Ya’ think?
(Those poor bastards in Europe are going to have WAY bigger problems than a vast reservoir of Democratic voters.)
CyberCipher on November 9, 2006 at 5:55 PM
Considering that Bush was literally gloating about finally being able to pass his amnesty bill before the massacred Repubs were even buried, it’s clear that this issue was the only one on his mind on Wednesday morning. On that note, here’s an interesting theory from Howard Sutherland:
Redhead Infidel on November 9, 2006 at 5:56 PM
Charles Voyde Harrelson (Woody Harrelson’s dad) was sentenced to two life terms for the May 29, 1979 assassination of U.S. District Judge John H. Wood, Jr.. Harrelson reportedly shot and killed Wood in the parking lot outside of Wood’s San Antonio, Texas house for local drug dealer Jamiel Chagra.
brtex on November 9, 2006 at 5:58 PM
I would respectfully, but strongly disagree. The left ignored the cancer of Bush=Hitler at first and all it did is spread and contaminate vast portions of the left.
I’d say we need to condemn this as total idiocy quickly and forcefully. We can not afford to have clinical insanity infest the right as well. It is bad enough when 25% of the country has lost touch with reality and believes in conspiracy theory.
50% would destroy us.
EFG on November 9, 2006 at 5:59 PM
Seejanemom- Would i be right in saying that Ted Nugent is a good example of a crunchy con? He seems like one after checking out your link.
Scot on November 9, 2006 at 6:01 PM
brtex that is an exception not the norm.
elBarto on November 9, 2006 at 6:02 PM
George didn’t THROW the election; he along with the GOP leadership MANIPULATED the election.
They poisoned some wells, abandoned some and let some others get away with shameless promotion with GOP support.
All of the well springs that were manipulated into office have one thing in common.
They are Globalization supporters of one style or another and many different sets of dynamics come into Global expansionist play. American citizens last, you might say is the main scheme.
If you didn’t or weren’t going to play on the Bush team as a 110% player, you died on the vine.
Loyalty did not figure in, at all.
The result? Pelosi/Liberalism wins. Citizens/Individualism loses. Big time.
Speakup on November 9, 2006 at 6:02 PM
Personally, I subscribe to this theory: “It is as though conservatives have some constitutional inability to hold in their minds for more than five minutes the fact that Bush is not on their side, with the result that they’re constantly surprised at finding out that he isn’t.” [Auster]
Redhead Infidel on November 9, 2006 at 6:03 PM
WHY DID BUSH WAIT TO REMOVE RUMSFELD? Bush has long been a TRAITOR TO CONSERVATIVE IDEALS, so is it really a stretch to think that he might have thrown a fight? HMMMMMM. Let’s see, what would be the sign of a boxer “throwing a fight”? Well, typically the first thing you’ll notice is that he WON’T THROW PUNCHES at the opponent even when there’s a clear opening. Sound familiar? Hmmmm. SANDY BERGER anyone? Let’s see, Clinton’s NSA gets caught STUFFING SECRET DOCUMENTS related to 9/11 down his pants, right before CLINTON lies to the 9/11 commission about his involvement or lack thereof, right? Seems like the perfect opportunity to DESTROY Clinton and trounce his FAKE ASS “legacy” once and for all, right?! What did Bush do? He swallowed his tongue! He refused to throw a punch!!! Even after Sandy Berger came out against the wiretapping, etc, he did it from a position of NOT HAVING BEEN DISGRACED IN THE FUCKING PUBLIC because, strangely enough, there wasn’t even ONE DAMNED INVESTIGATION into what he might have purloined or why!!!!!! Here you have your biggest supposed enemy outside of Osama himself in your sights and you don’t even load the gun? And while you and I might guess about it, they KNOW what he stole and how damaging it was to Clinton!
During the DEMONCRATS orgy over the “Culture of Corruption” that was permeating the GOP, Congressman William Jefferson was caught with 90,000 dollars in his freezer, White House comments to date? Not even a whisper, AGAIN they neglected to throw a punch. What about the NYT revealing classified information? It’s no secret that this is where the liberals derive their inane talking points from so how’s about dealing the enemies of America a few serious body blows? You know, throw a few reporters in the hoosegow, start a few “aiding and abetting the enemy” inquiries and who knows what you’ll turn up. Nope, Negativo, Natch and ixnay on that “ay”. Investigations to date? NONE.
What about Valerie Plames lying assed husband and all that rot? I posted on newsbusters a copy of Who’s Who In America from 2001, it listed Joe Wilson, his abassadorship and his spouse, VALERIE ELISE PLAME, right there in black and white. Long before Bush had ever heard the words, “Joe Wilson” this self aggrandizing moron was breaking his wifes “secret agent cover”, by listing it in a goddamned BOOK, yet I saw no copies of this being distributed by the White House! Did you? Hmmmm. Curious and Curiouser.
What do you make of a fighter who won’t hit back? Either he’s a punch drunk loser or he’s throwing the fight. I sincerely believe that George Bush is a big enough PIECE OF SHIT, that the financial gains of all of the corporate interests that he holds so dear, might have held sway and convinced him to “stand down”. What else can explain the fact that no one in the WHITE HOUSE has even shown the press corp ONE SINGLE PICTURE of any of the three thousand schools and hospitals that we built in Iraq? I mean, they’d pretty much have to cover it, if you stood there with pictures and accused them of NOT COVERING IT, y’know? But nooooooo…when it comes to winning, “silence is the buzzword”, huh?
Allow me to be real clear. Bush is a fake assed conservative and a fake assed Christian, presiding over the republican party which seems to have more FAGGOTS PER SQUARE INCH than the average San Francisco BATHOUSE. What real Christian would put homosexuals in charge of policies dealing with sex? Answer….NONE. But Bush just made some big queer the head of the AIDS task force! WAKE UP. He’s a fake. If the selection of Harriet Myers for the Supreme Court didn’t wave a GIANT, PULSING, RED FLAG, for you, what would? He SOLICITED the opinion of every “so called” religious leader in the far right and then he chooses his fucking grandmother! Now he’s got just what he wants, an opportunity to let every flea bitten miscreant from the third world into this country and to hell with the wishes of his “base” and he’s EXCITED about it!!!! He even thanked the stupid liberal who asked the question and expressed his joy at the prospect of letting all these racist hispanics into this country without having his dumb assed REPUBLICAN PARTY there to stop him !!!!! BUSH SUCKS.
Soothsayer on November 9, 2006 at 6:04 PM
No disagreement there. It just came to mind when I read your post.
brtex on November 9, 2006 at 6:05 PM
End game.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. President George W. Bush and Mexican President-elect Felipe Calderon pledged on Thursday to work together for a comprehensive solution to curb illegal immigration from Mexico to the United States.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061109/us_nm/bush_mexico_dc
tommy1 on November 9, 2006 at 6:10 PM
Soothsayer, knock it off with the Fa**ot remarks.
EFG on November 9, 2006 at 6:13 PM
The “F” word is pretty foul too.
EFG on November 9, 2006 at 6:14 PM
If comprehensive immigration deform passes then I’m leaving the Republican Party permanently. Bush apparently doesn’t give a damn what the base of his party thinks and is willing throw us all under the bus in his greater vision of a New Banana Republic United States. Bush will go down in history as one of this country’s greatest quislings if the amnesty/
permanent residentbypass the border patrolguest worker program passes.tommy1 on November 9, 2006 at 6:14 PM
But Soothsayer would like all of you to know that he’s not angry or anything.
Hmmm. Then, on the other hand, I did hear the Bill Clinton clip posted on this site today where Willy Jeffy says: “I love George W. Bush.” Aren’t conspiracies fun?
CyberCipher on November 9, 2006 at 6:14 PM
Allah
Whatever you may think of Gilchrist, I believe one could make a compelling argument that Bush is just as comfortable, if not more comfortable, with Democrats in charge instead of those annoying, fence building, fiscal conservative house Republicans.
Once again, how many terrorists has Bush allowed into this country? Since 9/11 he has fought for Al Queda’s right to cross the Mexican border, free of fences and military patrols. I have a feeling that in the near future, about 200 movie goers in some city are going to pay the ultimate price as they’re blown to pieces by one of Bush’s “immigrants”.
msplitt on November 9, 2006 at 6:17 PM
I heard a conspiracy theory that the Bushes and the Clintons have it all planned out so Hillary will win in 2008. Something to do with Hillary coming out to the right of Bush on some open border thingy doodle.
SouthernGent on November 9, 2006 at 6:17 PM
“Don’t call it an amnesty, call it a banana” McCain said last time, as he pressed for policies to turn this country into a semi-English speaking Banana Republic.
Banana Republicans lied. Conservatism and individualism died.
tommy1 on November 9, 2006 at 6:19 PM
Yes they are. Especially on SouthPark cartoons. And reading somebody whose gone *way* off the beaten path on a few internet blogs is pretty funny to.
But man can they get under your skin when they become this underlying theme with 25% of the country.
I’m sure there is a doctoral research project for an ambitious college student somewhere…”Why does 1/4 of a country go for cognitive dissonance*?”
*Smart phrase for “out to lunch”
EFG on November 9, 2006 at 6:20 PM
Sad..
It’s starting to sound a lot like DU around here.
Tink on November 9, 2006 at 6:26 PM
Soothsayer-
(You can borrow some of my CAPS if you need any.)
Or is GWB just elitistically stupid?
(I’ve been emailing him – president@whitehouse.gov- since 9/12/01, and saying similar things and asking the same questions -without the profanities, of course- and saw no effect to any inquiries, from gaping borders during wartime to no firings after 9/11 to no promotion of our good effects in Afghanistan or Iraq, et al. Something has stunk for a LONG time.)
TANCREDO IN 2008.
(bUSH FOR pRESIDENT OF mEXICO THE SAME YEAR.)
profitsbeard on November 9, 2006 at 6:30 PM
I find it interesting that now the Rep. no longer control the congress that the number of crossings has dropped (from link above):
Each year, thousands of Mexicans risk their lives sneaking across the 2,000-mile (3,200-km) border looking for jobs to escape poverty.
bubbadog89 on November 9, 2006 at 6:30 PM
Not really surprising though — when you lose an election the way our side just did.
I suggest that you look on it as therapy. Hopefully, we can all can it out of systems and move on. It also serves as a litmus test. If we (eventually) stop venting and let it go, we’re still healthy. If we hang-on to it, then we’ve become the Dhimmi-crats.
CyberCipher on November 9, 2006 at 6:31 PM
Good point, EFG, and well taken. This is why partisanship gets scary. When the pendulum swings far in either direction, you end up with crazies all around.
msplitt, for an ongoing count of illegals entering the country and costs associatedcheck here.
Soothsayers boxing analogy is compelling though(former boxing fan here-got sick of all the thrown fights and obvious judge manipulation, now it’s UFC and Pride Fighting for me). I think the base has been looking around the last 2 years going “What the hell? Fight back already! Secure this country!”
NTWR on November 9, 2006 at 6:33 PM
No wonder we’re in trouble. We have La Raza publicly and openly recruiting for Reconquista, we have a President who is actively negotiating for open borders, we have schools teaching Hispanics to hate American culture being funded by Bush’s government, and yet …
People who call attention to the obvious are called loons.
Gregor on November 9, 2006 at 6:34 PM
Soothsayer, along the lines of Bush not throwing punches when he could have and should have…
Don’t forget that when Bush all of a sudden did get the gumption to throw a punch, it was in favor of the Dubai Ports deal, something most of his base was heartily against. He was going to use his veto for the very first time on that deal. Priorities??
Instead, it just quietly slipped out of public view, and he got what he wanted anyway – Dubai got the ports contract.
Redhead Infidel on November 9, 2006 at 6:39 PM
I understand what you are saying.
Personally, I subscribe to the “pick yourself up, take stock of what you have to work with, suck it up and drive on” course of therapy.
Tink on November 9, 2006 at 6:41 PM
Meanwhile, the newly reelected governator visits Mexico for more trade talks…
Yeah, “tourism,” right.
NTWR on November 9, 2006 at 6:41 PM
”Why does 1/4 of a country go for cognitive dissonance*?”
It is because the version of events they are spoon-fed on campus and in the press is so obviously absurd that they have to start flailing around for an alternative.
Lehuster on November 9, 2006 at 6:42 PM
All of a sudden, I find myself starting to like the movie Death of a President much more.
(Don’t believe a word of it; I’m just trying to fit in around here.)
mikeomatic on November 9, 2006 at 6:42 PM
Agreed.
The problem of illegal immigration is the ONE SINGLE ISSUE that unites the vast majority of Americans (up to 87%). That’s unheard of! Yet Bush continues to ignore our concerns, and flout his determination to do the exact opposite of what we want. I don’t buy the explanation that he’s stupid and bumbling – he’s anything but, as we well know. He’s shrewd and unyielding on this issue more than any other.
So my question is – and I’ve been asking it now for almost 2 years – if Bush is not answering to the American people, WHO is he answering to?
Redhead Infidel on November 9, 2006 at 6:44 PM
tommy1, I’m with you. I taught school and lived in Presidio, Tx for 4 yrs. It is three miles from Ojinaga, Mexico. If you don’t believe we’ve been sold out, go live on the border for awhile, it will open your eyes. The teachers were given a directive by the superintendent. We were not to mention that approximately 20-25% of our students were in the country illegaly and taxpayers were paying for their education, welfare, and medical benefits. Families from Mexico were coming over and getting U.S. mailboxes. This entitled them to food stamps, unemployment, medical, free meals, etc. etc. The postmaster was our school board president. He lost his job when someone took down the American flag and put up a Mexican flag. He took the flag down and threw it on the ground. Guess what, he got early retirement. I saw this happen first hand and know it is true.
locwilliam on November 9, 2006 at 6:44 PM
Like profitsbeard, I have been angrily hollering at Bush since that first Farm Bill early in his first term. RINOs will not get out of my system as they hijacked the party without permission.
Valiant on November 9, 2006 at 6:45 PM
What’s the big deal? All he did was say that he believes Bush welcomes the opportunity to get his pro-illegal alien/amnesty bill passed now. I opposed Bush’s position on immigration from the start, as did conservatives bloggers such as The Boss of Hot Air. I agree with what Gilchrist said. The added plus for Bush is that he can say afterward that the pro-illegal alien bill was an ideal example of the parties working together…you know, the Dems, the Publicans and the Mexicans.
Bellicose Muse on November 9, 2006 at 6:45 PM
locwilliam,
Doesn’t surprise me at all. Reconquista is a minor problem at this point. After the amnesty expect it to get increasingly aggressive.
tommy1 on November 9, 2006 at 6:52 PM
Remember all those Mexican “values voters” who were supposed to rescue the Republican party if the Republicans could only find a way to reach out to them? The ones who were supposed to be natural allies of the evangelical wing of the Republican party once social conservatives simply found a way to connect?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061109/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/mexico_gay_unions
tommy1 on November 9, 2006 at 6:55 PM
tommy1, I heard an expert talk on illegal immigration a couple of days back on American Family Radio. He said, and I am quoting, “the Republicans want illegal immigration for cheap labor, and the damnocrats want illegal immigration for cheap votes”. I tend to agree with this belief.
locwilliam on November 9, 2006 at 7:00 PM
Interesting segment on Brit hume’s show. According to exit poll’s Bush’s plan on immigration is a winner, minutuman’s position a loser. Almost all the R candidates who ran with the minutemen position lost and 57% support guest worker program. Like i said,if Republicans keep running on immigration they’re going to keep losing.
Scot on November 9, 2006 at 7:01 PM
Don’t get me wrong. As far as I am concerned, George W. Bush (and his father, number 41) BOTH remind me way too much of Richard Nixon, a la
1) wage and price controls,
2) the 55 mile an hour speed limit
etceteras. (Sheesh! How liberal can a Republican get?) Rather than spend my time focusing on the disappointments, like:
1) illegal immigration,
2) the Dubai port deal,
3) Katrina,
4) the less than stellar performance in Iraq,
5) Harriet Myers
and the other stuff — I want to spend my time figuring out how we are going to get people nominated that DO represent our views. And if anyone asks me to assess W.’s presidency, I’ll say “I’m not proud of it, but it was WORTH eight years of embarassments if for no other reason than to get Roberts and Alito on the Supreme court.”
CyberCipher on November 9, 2006 at 7:09 PM
Who would have ever though you guys and the DU/Kos crowd would have so much in common? Sure, you have your differences, but I think you should all get together for a good old-fashioned Bush bashing. How much fun would that be! Remember, opposites attract…
JaHerer22 on November 9, 2006 at 7:10 PM
Here’s some food for thought –
If you can, just for a moment, forget about party affiliation and look at:
Who is really running the country? and How are they running the country?
What are the real issues that affect us? What would they have you believe they are?
Are the ruling elites values yours? Or your parents? Or are they anyone’s but theirs?
Considering the nation that you grew up in (this is a subjective question depending on your age)- Do you recognize America today as being even remotely the America you knew?
Consider that what has happened is a very clever, but effective Nietscheian Transvaluation of Values that has been perpetuated upon the nation and to a certain extent, the rest of the planet.
If you really think that this sounds far fetched, think about this – do most things (values, morals, ethics, and societally acceptable norms, etc..) seem to be (or are) the opposite of what they are (seem to be, or should be)?
Put party affiliation aside and think –
and ask questions, and seek the truth – before we all get played out by those in charge and our country as well as our way of life are but a distant memory.
Emmett J. on November 9, 2006 at 7:11 PM
Scot, not trying to argue, but according to Lou Dobbs, Pat Buchanan, Glenn Beck, Tom Tancredo, Ron Paul, and a whole slew of others, Bush’s plan is nothing more than a band-aid on amputated body part. Tancredo is one of the most ardant anti-illegal immigrant congressmen and he won handily in Colorado, a very liberal state. There are a number of congressmen/women who won who are opposed to illegal immigration. Everything I have read would indicate that the majority of Americans are opposed to illegal immigration by a large number. Lou Dobbs and Pat Buchanan both had best sellers and their books were slamming illegal immigration. Maybe I’m wrong, but I’m sure I can find other senators who won that are opposed to illegal immigration. Most experts are saying that Bush’s policy on illigal immigration is joke. Could that be one of the reasons his popularity is waning? Bush has gotten away from what got him elected and re-elected. His Christian conservative base.
locwilliam on November 9, 2006 at 7:16 PM
I was wondering if anyone would bring this up. Apparently, Hispanics voted for Democrats in droves this time around – who were seen as much more Hispanic friendly. We may already be in a situation where
Support for Minuteman position == losing the election.
I, for one, think W. likes to win.
CyberCipher on November 9, 2006 at 7:23 PM
locwilliam- Most people are opposed to illegal immigration, the question is what do they want to do about it? Every poll i’ve ever seen shows Bush’s guest worker program is popular. I lve in Texas and hispanics here are voting about 40% republican, which is pretty good and will only get better if Republicans went with Bush on this one.
Scot on November 9, 2006 at 7:28 PM
The answer to the question at the top of this page: No, but Dubya certainly didn’t help things by ignoring Harris, Swann, Blackwell, etc. I’m not saying he should have campaigned with them. But Bush, Rove and the RNC certainly didn’t fund their races and they totally abandoned Harris.
About Rummy: I believe his resignation is a result of the Neocons trashing Bush. See Richard Perle and Kenneth Adelman in Vanity Fair before the election.
Great job, morons. I know: When Bush takes on a bunch of us Neocons as advisors and the SecDef, we’ll run foreign policy. Then we can show the world that US force can be used for good. We’ll start in Iraq because it is ready for democracy. And once things get ugly, we’ll blame it on the incompetent boobs in the White House.
Irving & William Kristol, Norman Podhoretz, Richard Perle, et al. all argued for removing Hussein through war. Now they’re all trashing the adminstration. This is Rummy’s crowd. Rummy, who has taken the brunt of criticism for Iraq, unlike the aforementioned folks, didn’t blame Bush or the administration. How could he?
He probably feels the same way Bush does about these Brutuses. Rummy deserves to take the fall to show the neocons that they had their opportunity and they blew it.
BTW. I actually agree with a lot of the neocon ideology. I believe that if the US wants to be a global leader, it must act like one. I believe that the UN is just a menagerie of dictators and crooks. We cannot rely on them for anything except graft. The only problem I have with the neocons is how William Kristol, Richard Perle and Kenneth Adelman have tried to blame Bush and the administration in an effort to disguise their culpability.
cmay on November 9, 2006 at 7:30 PM
Scot, where is this? I live in a small West Texas town, population approximately 6,000. 88 miles from Mexico. Our little town is pretty conservative, 70-80% Hispanic. However, the Hispanics vote approximately 90% Democrat. The only republican that has been elected in the local area for a long time is Henry Bonilla. A Republican cannot win here. I don’t know where you live but I would like to know, because I find it very hard to believe 40% go Rep. Let me know, I want to research. Also, if you want to know the real facts about illegal immigration, go to http://www.immigrationcounters.com for the truth. I am not trying to argue with you but I too live in Texas and our Hispanics here vote about 10% Republican. Go to voting for Brewster Co. results and you can verify whether or not I am correct.
locwilliam on November 9, 2006 at 7:40 PM
Where’s our border fence? Didn’t the President sign the legislation? Isn’t the problem being dealt with? Where’s the fence?
PinkyBigglesworth on November 9, 2006 at 7:48 PM
Like the Emperor’s New Clothes – in plain sight!
Just because we can’t see them don’t mean that they’re not there!
Emmett J. on November 9, 2006 at 7:49 PM
Again, go look at the anti-illegal immigrant ballot issues passed in Arizona and Colorado, all of which passed (6 seperate initiatives total), with more than 70% of the vote for each of the Arizona initiatives (don’t have the CO numbers handy).
I’m not buying those exit polls for a second. We already know that they overstated the democratic preference by at least 6 points, especially when I haven’t seen the wording of the questions. I’ll put my faith in what the voters of 2 states said in the voting booth when the subject was put to them straight up.
thirteen28 on November 9, 2006 at 7:53 PM
Hey, I think the freaks at Daily Kos are running the exact same meme right now. In their view, Bush threw it to get the illegals an amnesty plan, and to give the GOP some 2008 campaign commercials to blame the Dhimmicrats for illegal alien amnesty.
Positively Rovian! (Sarc/click)
Go over there; you deserve each other…
Jaibones on November 9, 2006 at 7:53 PM
Come on, if Bush had announced before the election that Rumsfeld was going, the left and the media would have pounced on that as an admission of failed … fill in 42 blanks. He wanted to show unity and strength. I question some other things, definitely, but I think Bush made the right call on not making Rumsfeld fodder for the Dems prior to election day.
eucher on November 9, 2006 at 7:57 PM
It’s all Diebold’s fault!
(Oh, and Bush. The Evil One.)
Readymade on November 9, 2006 at 8:04 PM
locwilliam- I meant statewide they’re voting 40%. It’s been that way since ‘96 if i remember right. I’m on your side about immigration, i just don’t think it’s a winner politically.
Scot on November 9, 2006 at 8:30 PM
How are the polls phrasing the guest-worker question?
When I hear ‘comprehensive immigration reform,’ I think: fence, employer sanctions, deportations, ’subject to the jurisdiction thereof’, cleaning up the process of legal immigration. And I’m all for it. Then I stop and remember that it’s a code phrase for amnesty, which changes everything. Have I answered the poll by then, or not?
kate q on November 9, 2006 at 8:40 PM
Yeah – except the joke’s being played on us.
How many do you think have noticed?
Emmett J. on November 9, 2006 at 8:53 PM
George Bush is a globalist, just like his daddy.
Go Google “North American Union” and see what ya’ll find.
AZ_Redneck on November 9, 2006 at 9:54 PM
Yep – only much, much more so. Wait and see. The southwest back to La Raza, the northern part of the midwest made into the Islamic Republic of the Midwest, and open borders for all his friends.
Not to mention expanded NAFTA, CAFTA, and FTAA.
That’ll be a real treat!
Emmett J. on November 9, 2006 at 10:03 PM
The American DREAM Act is making the news in AZ.
La Rza loves it. So does Pelosi, Feinstein, …
GW has even shown some favor. Go figure …
AZ_Redneck on November 9, 2006 at 10:13 PM
Sorry … “La Raza”
AZ_Redneck on November 9, 2006 at 10:14 PM
Wonderful, just wonderful.
Isn’t it nice they can make everyone’s dreams come true – except those of the American people!
You know – the ones who elect them and expect fair representation,
Or is that asking too much?
Emmett J. on November 9, 2006 at 10:42 PM
But it’s still baffling why Bush wants to legalize millions of potential Democrat voters.
They’re mostly very traditional catholics. When the dems over reach on gay marriage, completely unrestricted late term abortion, etc they’re going to hit a brick wall in that demographic.
Purple Avenger on November 9, 2006 at 10:58 PM
Think outside the party affiliation box and you can get the answers.
Think business.
Emmett J. on November 9, 2006 at 11:30 PM
What else do you call a beast that takes it up the ass? It’s because of your tolerance of abomination that YOU LOST EVERYTHING! It’s because of the FAKE Chrisitian RINO”S that you LOST EVERYTHING. A man that bends over for another man is a DISGRACE not to mention an ABOMINATION. lf you don’t throw the FAGGOTS out of your party they will continue to erode your already corrupt morals until you end up debating the meaning of marriage like the stupid demoNcrats! If you had the courage of your alleged convictions you WOULDN’T HAVE LOST EVERYTHING. Of course mainstream republicans revolted, who the hell wants to vote for a bunch of Mark Foley’s? And guess what? The tolerant “jig” is up. Ken Melman(sic) is just the first to be outted, you just wait boyo, you’ll see. And you will deserve every ass whipping you get because you let the abomination have a seat at the table, instead of having the balls to say, “You like to take it up the ass fella, well, GO BE A DEMOCRAT!!!
So nuts to you buddy. You better straighten your stupid feckless party up before you correct my writing..,..N’est Pas?
Soothsayer on November 9, 2006 at 11:31 PM
Avenger, think outside the “party affiliation” box for a minute.
Now think business.
Now think about how millions of cheap workers helps – and who it helps.
Now what do you think?
Emmett J. on November 9, 2006 at 11:32 PM
OK – you want a word that says it all and yet doesn’t offend as much?
Here it is:
Emmett J. on November 9, 2006 at 11:35 PM
Try it out – win friends, insult enemies, and still make the same points without the same words.
Kind of makes it more fun, I think!
Emmett J. on November 9, 2006 at 11:37 PM
Yeah I’m angry Cyber, because Bush’s fake ass has been playing us like five dollar whores on sale day. And for the record, I believe EVERY FRIGGIN’ WORD that came out of the Faith Based Initiatives Guy, who said the neocons were laughing at the religious right and making fun of them. Their apostacy is evidenct in whom they have selected for all their staffing positions, it looks like the friggin’ VILLAGE PEOPLE.
TO ALL FAKE REPUBLICANS, FAKE CHRISITIANS AND LIBERALS
The time for honouring yourselves will soon come to an end. What you do in this life, echoes through eternity………GLADIATOR
Soothsayer on November 9, 2006 at 11:38 PM
Actually they didn’t get the ports but they got lotsa buildings NEAR the ports! And your post just makes my point Red! Bush has NEVER been with the conservative movement, if he had been there is no way he could have considered a bunch of Muslims for the ports, OR, taken CAIR on a tour of AIRPORT SECURITY!
IMPEACHMENT MIGHT BE OUR ONLY HOPE. Otherwise you should all learn Spanish and how to take it up the butt. Not me. You’re on your own, Yo no hablo, comprende? Yo no friggin hablo!
Soothsayer on November 9, 2006 at 11:47 PM
Soothsayer- If you’re this angry, why don’t you go do something that will calm you down and then come back. Because if you keep leaving posts like that you will get banned. And also the dhimmis at kos and du will use posts like yours against us.
Scot on November 9, 2006 at 11:52 PM
Hey EVERYBODY YOU’VE GOTTA SEE THIS!
VALIANT just linked to the video to end all videos it’s all about the FAKE ASSED RINO’S and it’s bloody BRILLIANT!!
WTG VALIANT!!!!!
Soothsayer on November 9, 2006 at 11:57 PM
Yes, but without the talent.
Singing-wise, that is.
Their apostasy has become evident in their actions. Before long, there will be a transnational highway from Mexico to Canada rolling through the US, there will be no effective borders, we will all have to learn “Spanglish” and learn how NAFTA, CAFTA, and FTAA has improved our lives.
Sort of like that Peanuts strip where Charlie Brown and Linus are talking about the world. Charlie Brown asks Linus if he intends to get educated so that he may become smarter like the rest of the world.
Linus replies, “No, Charlie Brown, I intend to bring them (the world) down to my level.”
Emmett J. on November 9, 2006 at 11:59 PM
If I get banned for speaking the truth so be it. I know how to start a blog, it ’s not rocket science, which I also happen to know. There is nothing in my posts but the God’s honest truth so the Dhimmis and Kos and whoever else are welcome to use it. If you didn’t elect a worthless piece of RINO dropping, you wouldn’t have this problem.
Soothsayer on November 10, 2006 at 12:00 AM
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