“If ever there was a constituency that voted with its wallet, and with an eye on social issues, it’s the Hispanic.”

That generalization may have been somewhat correct in the past for third or fourth generation Hispanic-AMERICANS. However, it will not hold true for 20-30 million newly amnestied immigrants. They are, to a very large extent, highly uneducated and unskilled laborers from Mexico, Central and South America. They will vote for whomever promises the most entitlements. That is guaranteed.

I lived in Mexico during the year that Fox was first elected. I’ll tell you what I swaw with my own eyes: elections are bought and paid for at the local level by party workers. 20 pesos and a Cerveza could buy a vote from the day laborers. Those with a little more education went for the government programs and hand-outs. Those with the most education believe in Mexican reconquista and will vote for anyone who can shaft the U.S.

Fox was largely voted for because he actually campaigned on the issue of his access and influence with George W. Bush. There was a lot of talk about how much cooperation and concessions Mexico would be able to squeeze from the U.S., and how much it would benefit Mexico. BINGO – jackpot for Vicente Fox!

Once elected, Vicente Fox’s promises to his people were published in a five year plan called the Plan Nacional de Desarrollo 2001-2006. I need to make something very clear here: this plan is NOT a plan for implementation in Mexico, it is Mexico’s plan for AMERICA.

Here’s a sampling:

the issue of migration, especially in the United States, needs a new focus over the long term to permit the movement and residence of Mexican nationals to be safe, comfortable, legal and orderly, and the attitude of police persecution of this phenomenon must be abandoned and it must be perceived as a labor and social phenomenon. This requires a complete negotiation that strikes at the structural roots of [migration], its manifestations and consequences, and that considers migration a shared responsibility. (Section 4.8., page 61)

There’s more:

Make Mexican sovereign decisions with respect to migratory flow and movement count, and offer and demand decent treatment for our countrymen who travel or reside abroad.

Encourage a long-term international migration policy …, with other nations and international organizations, that defends the rights of Mexicans abroad and strengthens their sense of belonging [to Mexico]. Play an active role in ensuring the labor rights of our countrymen [abroad], in the context of international competition.

Devise and implement government programs to recognize and value the contributions that migrants make, as much in the societies that receive them as in their societies of origin, insisting on full respect for their rights during their transit to and from Mexico. At the same time, raise the quality and efficiency of migration services. (Section 7.3.1(g), page 132)

There’s a lot more about what Mexico has in store for the U.S. Read the link above for an eye-opener – Mexico’s plan has already been successfully implemented for 5 years now while we Americans wallow. My point being, that when the 20-30 million illegals are amnestied – oh which a huge percentage are MEXICANS – they will be voting en masse for the party that best benefits them and Mexico. That will have to include concessions, hand-outs, special programs, and entitlements at all levels.

So, please, don’t hold out a hope that the Republicans will be able to woo millions of Hispanic voters with family values and tax cuts. These newly amnestied Mexican voters are NOT loyal to the US, don’t care what is best for the US, nor their communities, and remain loyal to Mexico.

Redhead Infidel on November 9, 2006 at 12:49 PM

Don’t take my word for it. Juan Hernandez is a Mexican official in Fox’s cabinet. He is supremely confident, even cocky, in recent U.S. op-eds and television appearances. On June 7th, in USA Today, he said what is all too obvious to anyone who will pay attention:

“Mexico knows where it wants to go even more clearly than the United States knows where it wants to go.”

That evening, on Nightline, he made it even clearer for us:

“We are betting that the Mexican-American population in the United States … will think Mexico first.”

That’s why Repubs won’t get the Amnestied Immigrant vote.

Redhead Infidel on November 9, 2006 at 12:54 PM

JaHerer22, about those millions of illegals that are already here, the most prudent thing to do is to look at what already has worked. I’ll give you a few examples:

1)Hazelton, PA passed a city-wide ordinance that cracked down on businesses hiring illegal aliens, and landlords renting to illegal aliens. In other words, they made it clear that the LAW was going henceforth going to be enforced. Almost all of Hazelton’s illegal immigration population of 8,000 “deported” themselves out of town.

Enforcing the laws work to reduce the incentive to be here.

2) After 9/11, when it was clear that Homeland Security and INS were tracking down Arab Muslims in the country illegally, 15,000 illegal Pakistanis voluntarily deported themselves out of the country!

Again, enforcing the laws induces many illegals to get themselves back home.

3) Operation Wetback successfully deported 1.3 million illegals in less than a year. Hundreds of thousands deported themselves.

It’s weak to whine that something is impossible, when clearly it is not. I suggest that once illegals are told – beyond a shadow of doubt – that their illegal presence here will no longer be tolerated, then many will leave of their own accord. Those that are left should get a 3 month (or 6 month, or whatever) notice – publicized over radio, TV, newspapers, etc – to tie up their affairs and vacate the country on their own. Many, many more will leave.

After the grace period has expired, then illegals will be picked up and involuntarily deported whenever and wherever they are found. Eisenhower treated it as a military logistics issue rather than a political issue, and as a logistical matter it really isn’t all that hard.

Besides, I hate to hear any red-blooded American whine that something would be too hard, and is therefore impossible. America won’t get anywhere with that defeatist attitude. Trust me, if it matters enough to America, Americans can make it happen. The question is, does it matter enough to enough Americans?

Redhead Infidel on November 9, 2006 at 2:07 PM

We should…attempt to get as many illegals as possible to willingly return…However for the remaining illegals, we need some sort of path to citzenship or path to something other than remaining an illegal alien that will allow them to work, receive health care, etc.

Doesn’t that immediately undermine everything else? If illegals think that all they have to do is hold out longer than anyone else to get amnesty – that golden ticket for freebies like education and health care – why would anyone leave voluntarily? Have you thought that through? Illegality cannot be rewarded with amnesty. Period.

Redhead Infidel on November 9, 2006 at 3:13 PM

Unfortunately, even 4th-generation Mexican-Americans perform incredibly poorly in the U.S. educational system. Previous waves of European immigrants tended to increase their school performance up to the third generation and, by that time, were roughly at American norms. Mexicans tend to max out at the third generation also. Unfortunately, they are nowhere near American norms by that point.

Tommy, to further underscore that point, Heather MacDonald has written:

Hispanic youths, whether recent arrivals or birthright American citizens, are developing an underclass culture. (By “Hispanic” here, I mean the population originating in Latin America—above all, in Mexico—as distinct from America’s much smaller Puerto Rican and Dominican communities of Caribbean descent, which have themselves long shown elevated crime and welfare rates.) Hispanic school dropout rates and teen birthrates are now the highest in the nation. Gang crime is exploding nationally—rising 50 percent from 1999 to 2002—driven by the march of Hispanic immigration east and north across the country. Most worrisome, underclass indicators like crime and single parenthood do not improve over successive generations of Hispanics—they worsen.

Debate has recently heated up over whether Mexican immigration—unique in its scale and in other important ways—will defeat the American tradition of assimilation. The rise of underclass behavior among the progeny of Mexicans and other Central Americans must be part of that debate. There may be assimilation going on, but a significant portion of it is assimilation downward to the worst elements of American life.

Something to think about…

Redhead Infidel on November 9, 2006 at 3:21 PM

CyberCipher is 100% correct and has brought up the subject of anchor baby citizenship – which is entirely unConstitutional:

To understand the correct interpretation of the 14th Amendment we need to understand what the co-author of the amendment wrote about the Amendment. In 1866, Senator Jacob Howard wrote, “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors, or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.” Senator Howard wrote the addition phrase specifically because he wanted to make it clear that the simple accident of birth in the US is not sufficient to justify citizenship.
The US Supreme Court recognized this when they ruled in 1873 that the phrase (and subject to the jurisdiction thereof) excluded “children of ministers, consuls, and citizens of foreign states born within the United States.” Since the court recognized that the children of foreign citizens and diplomats should not be granted US citizenship, why should anyone think that the children of those that enter the US illegally are subject to the jurisdiction of the US government? The simple answer is no thinking person would. The anchor baby parents are neither US citizens, subject to US jurisdiction, nor do they owe any allegiance to the US. Federal immigration laws require aliens to renounce all allegiance to any foreign government and to support the US Constitution to become citizens. The parents of anchor babies never fulfilled this obligation and were never “subject to the jurisdiction” of the US.

Both the author of the 14th Amendment and the US Supreme Court recognized that an alien mother and her baby are subject to the jurisdiction of their native country – not the US. The 14th Amendment wasn’t created to provide an end run for aliens to defy US immigration laws. But politicians have subverted the Constitution and allowed citizenship to any child born in the US. This misinterpretation is not accidental – it is intentional. An error of this magnitude could not be accidental.

Hope all these excerpts aren’t borin’ y’all to death. But it’s good stuff!

Redhead Infidel on November 9, 2006 at 4:06 PM