Look forward to reading more soon….

I just love what you posted. Gimme more!…

Fun! When someone’s words don’t fit your twisted, paranoid worldview, add your own! Makes it all better.

Translation: My phony baloney liberal facade isn’t fooling anybody.

NO, neocon ideals had nothing to do with it, 3000 dead Americans did.

Hasn’t it been universially concluded there were no WMDs, Sadam had no part in 9/11, etc., etc., etc…

Let me guess…it’s all MSM hype, we just haven’t found the WMDs yet, …

I quit.

Or do you believe those ideals are noble and the individuals implementing and interpreting those ideals are flawed? NO, I’m not a liberal trying to burn the candle at both ends.

…you left this statement incomplete. You forgot to add, “…AND WE’RE BETRAYING IT AS FAST AS WE CAN. (signed) DEMOCRATIC PARTY”.
Puritan1648 on November 3, 2006 at 8:33 AM

Translation: “So let’s allow the terrorists kill as many Americans as they can, it won’t make any difference.”
JackM on November 3, 2006 at 9:37 AM

Fun! When someone’s words don’t fit your twisted, paranoid worldview, add your own! Makes it all better.

Let me ask you this: Do you also believe the neocon ideals that led to the invasion and subsequent difficulties in Iraq are flawed? Or do you believe those ideals are noble and the individuals implementing and interpreting those ideals are flawed?

You’re lengthy first paragraph points out all of the mistakes the Democrats make in the battle of ideologies.

their criticism has been superficial, unproductive, unable to offer a legitimate alternative, and fueled by hate and bitterness instead of thoughtful advice

One can conclude then, that their progressive ideals are seriously flawed. Maintaining flawed ideals just seems like a lousy choice to me.

We shall soon see if the majority of Americans will elect a wave of Democrats.

You’re kidding right? The left hasn’t called Bush on his “fear and division”, his “divider not a uniter”? We’ll hell man, you just did in your post, sounding just like every lib and MSM reporter west of the Jersey coast. What planet have you been living on?

You’re right, in that my words don’t articulate my argument very well. Of course the left has called Bush out on his fear and division propaganda, but, and I’m almost sure you will agree with me here, their criticism has been superficial, unproductive, unable to offer a legitimate alternative, and fueled by hate and bitterness instead of thoughtful advice and constructive criticism. I blame the left for being unable to design and articulate valid alternatives, while allowing their resentment to push them to petty personal attacks. There is enough wrong with Iraq if the most productive criticism you can articulate is “Bush lied, people died” you need to try a little harder. The left is also wrong for allowing the right to perpetuate the “democrats support terrorists” mantra. This is so skewed and ridiculous and clearly rejected by the majority of Americans who appear poised to elect a wave of Democrats that failing to loudly and often denounce it is just bad politics.

declare their firm support for America and against terrorism, while still maintaining their progressive ideals
Round peg, square hole. Can’t do both.

If you really believe this it is a sad day for America and democracy.

Hmm, kinda sounds like something that took place, oh, say 230 years ago.

Well I have been thinking about this whole idea of revolutions and what then transpires. I think you can make a case that the overthrow of a tyrannical gov’t–think Russian and French revolutions–is often followed by a bloody civil war. In the case of our country–well that was a revolution in the strict sense, in that it was a throwing off of a colonial gov’t, and one that had fostered (local) democracy. And of course there is the school of thought that says a civil war did follow our war for independence, it was just deferred 70 years.

What’s that old saw about those who are ignorant of history?

Now that we can look at it with some hindsight, it is clear from the beginning that Iraq was sold to the public based on exaggerations, assumptions, and distorted facts.

Where have we heard this before? Bush Lied.

Under these circumstances, opposition is destined to be bitter and hostile; especially when these exaggerations and distortions are brought to light and the war in question is almost universally deemed a fiasco.

universally = MSM

When the right implies that a vote for democrats is a vote for terrorists, what is the left to do?

Defend their position by proving otherwise, and stop with the Bush lied, people died mantra.

I don’t blame Bush for this, I blame the democrats who don’t have the balls to call Bush out on these ridiculous accusations

You’re kidding right? The left hasn’t called Bush on his “fear and division”, his “divider not a uniter”? We’ll hell man, you just did in your post, sounding just like every lib and MSM reporter west of the Jersey coast. What planet have you been living on?

declare their firm support for America and against terrorism, while still maintaining their progressive ideals

Round peg, square hole. Can’t do both.

Comparing WWII to the Iraq war is misleading. After Pearl Harbor the country was united in the struggle against fascism and while there were dissenters, it was almost universally agreed war was the only option. This was much the same sentiment after 9/11 and the country was mostly united in the invasion of Afghanistan. Under these circumstances, opposition boiled down to disputes over tactics and policy but not motivation. Now that we can look at it with some hindsight, it is clear from the beginning that Iraq was sold to the public based on exaggerations, assumptions, and distorted facts. Under these circumstances, opposition is destined to be bitter and hostile; especially when these exaggerations and distortions are brought to light and the war in question is almost universally deemed a fiasco.

Has the left let their bitterness and resentment get the better of them and somewhat naively embraced aspects of the terrorist agenda? I would say yes. But at the same time, George W. Bush, the great uniter, has used fear and division and worked to almost push the left into the arms of the enemy. When the right implies that a vote for democrats is a vote for terrorists, what is the left to do? Having our patriotism openly questioned and repeatedly being called traitors clearly only works to make us more bitter and resentful which in neither good for the country nor the war. Unlike you however, I believe in personal responsibility. I don’t blame Bush for this, I blame the democrats who don’t have the balls to call Bush out on these ridiculous accusations, declare their firm support for America and against terrorism, while still maintaining their progressive ideals and their disdain for this administration’s failed war policies.

The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country…

…all I’ve been seeing for the last year from the Kerrys, Murthas, Sheehans and other figures from the “opposition” is that we *shouldn’t* defend this country. I see, since it began, only mock-handwringing about how the war started, accusations of lying and hysterical accusations of malfeasance, heady warnings to all of the intent to found a “theocracy”, all under the guise of “supporting the troops” and “honest dissent”.

Rubbish.

At every turn, efforts at the defense country have been leaked, attempts to thwart them have been made, and everyone who’s advocated the defense of this nation against a demonstrable internationalist tyranny has been held up as a some breed of monster.

The tyranny, the Left believes, doesn’t lie outside our borders, with the imams and mullahs who *state* that they want America to go under. The tyranny exists in the Bush Administration, and the Bush Administration — and, *make no mistake* — and all those who support it are enabling tyranny.

For my part, I think that the Left is enabling a tyranny…and will be the first ones to suffer when that tyranny prevails.

Enjoy.

I’ll wait for an honest Leftist to show up.

That’s funny.

…well, maybe KP’ll drop by. Happy to oblige, though….

…I would hate to see what your version of democracy looks like.

Mine would be one where the rule of law prevails…and sedition is illegal, last I looked.

I have a genetic predisposition to wanting to see villains held to account for their villainy. I don’t care how slick or sincere that they are. I really don’t care what their intentions are. I’m sure that the Oklahoma City bomber, the Unabomber, and all of those guys with dynamite belts cruising through Jerusalem and Baghdad would win prizes for and argue convincingly for the purity of their intentions.

I’m for the rule of law. The lady with the scales can’t see your good intentions. It’s her job to judge by the law.

Asking tough questions, demanding proof and accountability, and questioning failed policies is one if the most essential functions the press and the opposition party play in a healthy democracy. If you believe the left is traitorous and destructive to America for performing these roles in a time of war you are seriously jaded and I would hate to see what your version of democracy looks like.

…then, sunshine, crack a book and see how the Republicans conducted themselves between Dec. 7, 1941 and September 1945.

The actions of the Left in this country go way beyond the benign “duty of the opposition” — notice, not the “loyal opposition” — in this war as in Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, and around the edges in the first Gulf War. Had that gone on long enough, the resistance and sedition we see today would’ve arisen. The Left needs two things: time for the initial rush of outrage to subside, and time to organize treason.

The NYT has been leaking classified documents. Partisan operatives in key sensitive positions have been leaking those documents. The “opposition” has been lapping up this support, profiting by it, and demanding more.

This so-called opposition has been calling for surrender masked as “redeployment”, and has been mouthing the same skewed shibboleths since Mr. Bush gave the go-ahead.

For dissent to be productive, it has to present viable alternatives, not be like that old Monty Python sketch of a guy looking for an argument encountering someone who would only contradict him.

Unless of course you believe the left is destroying America by pushing radical agendas like health care reform and gay marriage….

I most certainly do, indeed!

Health care is not a right, nor is it enshrined in the Constitution as something that the federal government has any responsiblity for. Nationalizing it, as in Canada and the UK, would be to nationalize the reach of health and lifestyle advocates. Already we’ve heard many of them using the mallet of lifestyle, diet and “choice” decisions better handled by their soviet-style central planning.

Homosexuals marrying? Pardon the pun, but that’s being shoved down this nation’s throat. Furthermore, the homosexual lobby doesn’t *deserve* to prevail, not because of their despicable “lifestyle” — that’s none of my business, however much they seem to want the nation to unite in celebrating their perversions — but by virtue of the despicable methods they are prepared to use to win.

The Left feels itself empowered, beyond the pale of mere legal and social tradition and beyond the pesky and humdrum business of standing their views up to scrutiny and referrendum, to mutate this nation into a creature cast in their image. That is despicable.

So…you can take your simpering and your agenda and rest assured that they’ve been considered and rejected. The Left is not just in opposition. It has taken up the cause of and is giving direct aid and comfort to the enemies of our troops in the field. Words spoken to support this are sedition, and acts done in support of this are treason.

…but don’t worry. Your searing logic will cow us all into letting your guys slide. Nobody wants to be the bad guy.

THESE are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.

-Thomas Paine

Please let me know how you think a loyal, patriotic American democrat should react to the war in Iraq. What would have been an apropriate reaction before the war started and what is a apropriate reaction now that the war is, um…less than a success?

TERRORISTS CANNOT AND WILL NOT EVER DESTROY AMERICA OR OUR WAY OF LIFE NO MATTER HOW HARD THEY TRY– THEY DON’T HAVE THE NUMBERS OR THE RESOURCES. IT IS A PHYSICAL AND LOGISTICAL IMPOSSIBILITY. THE VERY IDEA IS A PARANOID FANTASY PROMOTED BY THOSE WHO WOULD EXPLOIT YOUR FEAR IN ORDER TO FULFILL THEIR PERSONAL AMBITIONS.

Translation: “So let’s allow the terrorists kill as many Americans as they can, it won’t make any difference.”

Asking tough questions, demanding proof and accountability, and questioning failed policies is one if the most essential functions the press and the opposition party play in a healthy democracy.

Translation: “Don’t blame me for being a traitor.”

I’ll wait for an honest Leftist to show up.

That’s funny.