Video: Mark Foley in “Strike Force”

posted at 8:35 pm on November 1, 2006 by Allahpundit

Yeah, that Mark Foley. And his big scene involves him … hugging a child.

No wonder he’s extended his stay in rehab.

If they had cast a little boy instead of a little girl, this crap would be on Drudge right now. Click the image to watch.

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Update: Foley’s old seat is in play. Wow.

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Thanks for bringing this man to our attention again. I and the other voters almost forgot about it, whatwith these Kerry non-stories the past few days and all.

Niko on November 1, 2006 at 8:47 PM

Oh no my man Forsyth in a movie with fooley no no.

sonnyspats1 on November 1, 2006 at 8:54 PM

Um … so?

I guess I just don’t get this story, AP — even if his character had been reconciled with a son instead of a daughter.

Perhaps this is meant as a little lighthearted break from the Kerry stuff? But if so, why? The Kerry stuff is fun. It’s like Christmas 2 months early. As Edwina Rogers said on Fox & Friends this morning (paraphrasing, of course) — thanks for the candor, Sen. Kerry! Not that we didn’t already know how you feel, but it’s good for the American people to be reminded every so often.

Mark who?

eucher on November 1, 2006 at 8:57 PM

Um … so?

I guess I just don’t get this story, AP — even if his character had been reconciled with a son instead of a daughter.

Um … because it’s amusing?

Allahpundit on November 1, 2006 at 9:00 PM

He’s got that ‘Clinton frown’ down pat.

Hey – ‘Clinton frown down’… could be a hit single

Ugly on November 1, 2006 at 9:01 PM

Sorry, had my nuance meter set waaay up, to Kerry.

Hopefully that’s the extent of, er, video footage starring Mr. Foley.

eucher on November 1, 2006 at 9:09 PM

Sorry AP…I agree with eucher on this.

It’s not that I’m offended by the clip…I just find it to be absolutely pointless.

Shame on Hot Air for publicizing and disseminating this.

asc85 on November 1, 2006 at 9:09 PM

Shame on Hot Air for publicizing and disseminating this.

“Shame on Hot Air” for posting a goofy video clip of a guy who’s been in the headlines for weeks?

Allahpundit on November 1, 2006 at 9:11 PM

asc85, yeah, it’s pointless, but that’s not the er, point.

The point is that its funny. Yeah, kinda twisted too, but most funny things are kinda twisted.

Anyway, the mix of news and snark and humor and “outrageousness!” is what makes this site worth coming back too.

EFG on November 1, 2006 at 9:17 PM

er, worth coming back to.

EFG on November 1, 2006 at 9:19 PM

I think Mark Foley is a sleazebag, and he deserved what he got. That being said, I have a personal thing against kicking somebody when he’s down. Having a cameo in a little known film where he’s hugging a little girl does not need to be made fun of and exploited. It’s just not right.

asc85 on November 1, 2006 at 9:19 PM

“Shame on Hot Air” for posting a goofy video clip of a guy who’s been in the headlines for weeks?

Allahpundit on November 1, 2006 at 9:11 PM

To be fair, AP… you are keeping him front & center with this clip. Yet you want to bury the Kerry scandal ASAP.

Ugly on November 1, 2006 at 9:19 PM

To be fair, AP… you are keeping him front & center with this clip. Yet you want to bury the Kerry scandal ASAP.

Perhaps AP is a Democratic mole…

I don’t want to draw rolled eyes here, but think about it.

EFG on November 1, 2006 at 9:22 PM

Dudes! Chill out! It was funny… it was a 2003 movie with crappy early 80s synth music. That’s funny enough as it is.

And, for what it’s worth, I thought Foley was okay. Johnny Depp would have looked like a bad actor with that music and the other cast around him.

DaveS on November 1, 2006 at 9:22 PM

To be fair, AP… you are keeping him front & center with this clip. Yet you want to bury the Kerry scandal ASAP.

I just posted a new Kerry clip.

This is a news site. Michelle is a columnist. We’re not RNC employees. If something interesting and newsy crosses my desk, I’ll post it. I don’t care who it hurts.

Allahpundit on November 1, 2006 at 9:24 PM

Speaking of moles, when does the next season of 24 start?

DaveS on November 1, 2006 at 9:24 PM

Oh, also… everybody should stop being morons. If you see a goofy clip of Mark Foley in a crappy movie and immediately start thinking that Allah is a Democratic operative, you need to take a few weeks off. Well, vote first, THEN take a few weeks off.

DaveS on November 1, 2006 at 9:25 PM

This is a news site. Michelle is a columnist. We’re not RNC employees. If something interesting and newsy crosses my desk, I’ll post it. I don’t care who it hurts.

Allahpundit on November 1, 2006 at 9:24 PM

Don’t get me wrong. I thought it was funny. But fair is fair. And I don’t care if you’re hurt, either.

Ugly on November 1, 2006 at 9:31 PM

If something interesting and newsy crosses my desk, I’ll post it. I don’t care who it hurts.

This kind of attitude will NOT get you a date with MK or Bethany you know….;-)

Rightwingsparkle on November 1, 2006 at 9:36 PM

Allah wants to “bury the Kerry scandal?”

Excuse me, but are you bleepin’ nuts? He was the first blog out of the box on this story, 11:54pm on Oct. 30, and he hasn’t let up since.

Puh-lease.

Shame on us?

Shame on you.

Crikey.

Michelle on November 1, 2006 at 9:38 PM

But fair is fair. And I don’t care if you’re hurt, either.

I’m not hurt and I don’t care if you care or not. You are, however, suggesting that I shouldn’t have posted this lest I keep Foley “front and center.” Or have I misunderstood and you’re saying I *should* have posted irregardless of whether it keeps him front and center? If the latter then I apologize for misunderstanding.

Allahpundit on November 1, 2006 at 9:39 PM

Allah, I’m disappointed. However, I believe that Foley should be forgiven. I have forgiven him. Most of you posting here might have secrets that could land you in jail. However, I don’t go around thinking about the worst that could happen to people. Foley did a good thing by resigning and staying away. I and cousin were talking secrets today. He said,” if somebody was caught in dreadful, people critcize the person in question action in such a way that they deem themselves angels–void of
any wrong-doing. In thier hearts, they are darker than the prince of darkness.” Anybody can cast me out as stupid. Remember, Jesus said,”He without sin, cast the first stone.”

Ouabam on November 1, 2006 at 9:42 PM

keep up the good work, Michelle

Ouabam on November 1, 2006 at 9:49 PM

Or have I misunderstood and you’re saying I *should* have posted irregardless of whether it keeps him front and center? If the latter then I apologize for misunderstanding.

Allahpundit on November 1, 2006 at 9:39 PM

It was funny, and yes I’m glad you posted it, irregardless.

I was trying to make some kind of point, but it’s lost now. Happy sailing, everyone.

Ugly on November 1, 2006 at 9:50 PM

This is a news site. Michelle is a columnist. We’re not RNC employees. If something interesting and newsy crosses my desk, I’ll post it. I don’t care who it hurts.

That’s quite a statement, if only for the fact that you frankly admit that this story hurts Foley. And that’s probably the only reason why you posted it.

Interesting standards, here.

Niko on November 1, 2006 at 9:53 PM

That’s quite a statement, if only for the fact that you frankly admit that this story hurts Foley. And that’s probably the only reason why you posted it.

Well, that and its kinda funny in a twisted sort of way.

By the way, who cares if it hurt Foley? Are we defending 50 year olds who put moves on 16 year olds? No freakin’ way!

EFG on November 1, 2006 at 10:02 PM

That’s quite a statement, if only for the fact that you frankly admit that this story hurts Foley.

Something like this, AP.

Ugly on November 1, 2006 at 10:02 PM

By the way, who cares if it hurt Foley? Are we defending 50 year olds who put moves on 16 year olds? No freakin’ way!

EFG on November 1, 2006 at 10:02 PM

Oh. But we MUST STFU about Kerry to save face? To look nice? FOR APPEARANCE’S SAKE?

To quote my late gramps:

I don’t take shit. I don’t sell shit. I’m not in the Shit business.

Double standards are double standards.

Ugly on November 1, 2006 at 10:05 PM

f**k it.

It is worth posting. If you don’t like it, drink Kool-aid and sing some moonbat poems. I really mean it.

Ouabam on November 1, 2006 at 10:07 PM

Come on, lighten up! Just think about all the fun we are going to have talking about the ways in which our security has been compromised when the Dems take over. We can lament no longer listening to terrorist calling their allies in the US. We can bitch about no longer tracing their finances. Oh, and what fun we’ll have when they try to rollback the Patriot Act! We can look forward to Gitmo being closed, rollback of the Detainee Act, Iraqi troops being unfunded to force a pullout, direct talks (i.e., bribes) to NK and Iran to stop (talking about) their nuclear programs. And, finally, the investigations and attempt to impeach the CiC. Oh what fun we have in store boys and girls. So lighten up and cheer up! Good times are just around the corner!

TheBigOldDog on November 1, 2006 at 10:08 PM

By the way, who cares if it hurt Foley? Are we defending 50 year olds who put moves on 16 year olds?

I don’t object to that verdict. But Foley is already finished, he won’t ever come back. Yet AP deemed it newsy to keep the shots coming.

If that is the standard then I believe – and I’m almost sorry to point it out – that Hot Air got exactly the commenters they deserve. You know, the kind of bad commenters they complain about.

Niko on November 1, 2006 at 10:09 PM

Who said we had to “STFU” about Kerry? Has somebody tried to stiffle you?

EFG on November 1, 2006 at 10:09 PM

Yet AP deemed it newsy to keep the shots coming.

Niko, he also said it was “amusing”, and I think that’s why he posted it.

What can I say? He loves him some tabloid trash. That sort of stuff is like crack to him.

EFG on November 1, 2006 at 10:11 PM

He loves him some tabloid trash. That sort of stuff is like crack to him.

It is better than reading playboy or hustler.

Ouabam on November 1, 2006 at 10:18 PM

“Stiffle?”

Michelle on November 1, 2006 at 10:23 PM

What can I say? He loves him some tabloid trash.

Except when it’s written in the comments section. Then the “amusing” stuff quickly becomes the spouting of “nuts”, cf. Lebanese Ambulance, Ahmadinejad’s August countdown, etc. Go look it up and see what Allahpundit wrote about those comments.

As I said, with pursuing these kinds of stories Hot Air sets a clear precedent for comments in the same jest.

Niko on November 1, 2006 at 10:25 PM

Who said we had to “STFU” about Kerry? Has somebody tried to stiffle you?

EFG on November 1, 2006 at 10:09 PM

Not at all.

I’ve got a clip of Bush on Rush Limbaugh still in the tank and Ian’s got something coming from Murtha, but after that I think we’re (mostly) done with this

I think it’s done, too. That’s a well-worded apology. One of the best I’ve seen from a politico.

Slublog on November 1, 2006 at 4:21 PM

That’s what he should have done yesterday morning. It was a good apology, and pretty classy.

DaveS on November 1, 2006 at 4:30 PM

Okay, this part was well-worded:

I personally apologize to any service member, family member, or American who was offended.

It’s rare that a politician actually apologizes anymore.

Slublog on November 1, 2006 at 4:31 PM

Oh, come on people. It wasn’t bad… even the last paragraph wasn’t bad considering that it is 6 days from an election. If the first sentence of the last paragraph had been removed, it would have been a perfect, non-partisan-sounding apology.

And who cares if he said “misinterpreted”. Jeff Goldstein has been effectively making the case for a LONG time that words should mean what the speaker means for them to mean, not what they are perceived to mean by the listener. We can argue over what Kerry actually thinks about the troops or over what we think he actually meant, but the apology itself is good.

DaveS on November 1, 2006 at 4:38 PM

Its an apology
But for being a jackass prior this won’t go away for a while

Defector01 on November 1, 2006 at 4:38 PM

I’m surprised that so many republicans are buying into this non-apology and dropping the matter.

Probably because if we don’t, we’ll look like obsessive, psychopathic pricks.

This little flap did what it was supposed to… lay off the moralizing and exaggerated outrage now so we can keep any moderates that may have been swayed.

DaveS on November 1, 2006 at 5:27 PM

Kerry is standing up and fighting! That was yesterday, today he is retreating, tomorrow and in the next week he will be MIA.
You are a great Democrat leader Kerry, I hope you regain your courage and stand and fight. Tell Hillary to mind her own business, Ford is a chicken, go to Iowa and tell them you ain’t “apologizin” to no one–every Democrat should have you by their side the last week. I don’t know about any other Republicans…but I love you.

right2bright on November 1, 2006 at 5:30 PM

C’mon, people, all you can ever ask from anyone who wrongs you is an apology. You can’t necessarily expect it to be sincere.

Enrique on November 1, 2006 at 5:31 PM

I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it one last time. We’ve won, and we need to gracefully move past this. If we keep beating this issue, we will look like the turds, not Kerry.

I’m not saying everything is now hunky-dorey with Kerry. I’m not trying to say that he is a 100% reliable support the troops sort of guy. This is the third time he’s done this. We all know he’s got a history of doing this.

But we’ve got our pound of flesh out of him. He was forced to apologize. That’s gotta sting.

And I’d say this has pretty much finished his presidential aspirations (or maybe that’s just wishful thinking on my part)

We ain’t gonna get anymore out of this issue. If we keep insisting “it isn’t a real apology” we are going to look silly to the rest of the public. They are going to read or hear what we are saying, they are going to look at what is in Kerry’s statement, “I personally apologize to any service member, family member, or American who was offended“, and they are going to conclude that we are irrational Kerry bashers, and maybe Kerry was right when he originally said we mischaracterized his words.

Heck, when I did wrong as a kid, and I was forced to apologize, I didn’t mean it either. But that’s how it goes. Look at it like Kerry is a kid. That kid may not really be sorry when you make him appologize for not playing fair on the playground. But you make him do it anyway. And balance is brought to the playground…

Anyway, we’ve won. Let’s take pride in that.

That’s all I gotta say about that…

EFG on November 1, 2006 at 5:32 PM

Not exactly the chickenhawk argument.

But close enough.

Say Bryan, it’s a pretty cheap atheist trick I’m about to pull here, but it always warms my black little heart -

Aren’t Christians supposed to forgive?

He said he’s sorry. That’s all you have any right to expect.

Insh’allah.

Enrique on November 1, 2006 at 5:34 PM

C’mon you guys, let’s not keep beating a dead horse-face.

right2bright on November 1, 2006 at 5:45 PM

The apology, for what it’s worth should be accepted and we should move on. Anything less and conservatives start to look overly petty and desperate. Let the left bury itself. They really don’t need much help from us.

jasnell on November 1, 2006 at 5:46 PM

it was misinterpreted…someone explaine xactly what he meant then, using the entire wuote in context? Hes clearly referring to bush…

crr6 on November 1, 2006 at 5:47 PM

Kerry apologized. The party is over.

Now we all should concentrate on the Republican defeat next week.

Niko on November 1, 2006 at 6:27 PM

It’s always about the way we “look”. One’s Appearance in politics is as important as anything else. Why do you think it was so important for Kerry to back out of various campaign appearances this week? Any Democrat seen standing shoulder to shoulder with Kerry right now will be viewed as being complicit with his defamation of the troops.

Why is it important for the Right to move on? It’s because Kerry’s opinion of the troops (whether positive or negative) is not an issue in this election. If the Right tries to make it an issue (or continues to make it an issue), the Left can (rightfully, IMHO) claim that the Right is running from the “real” issues. It’s not about “rising above” anything, it’s about prioritizing effort. Kerry is an idiot, but he’s definitely not a priority. If and when Kerry starts his 2008 campaign, then by all means, bring this up again and hammer the hell out of him with it.

jasnell on November 1, 2006 at 6:47 PM

…stop beating up on Kerry. He’s not a “symbol”; He’s a moron. Ignore him and focus priority on highlighting the credibility gap. Trust me, an idiot of his caliber will find plenty of opportunities to embarrass himself and his party in the future.

jasnell on November 1, 2006 at 7:17 PM

He told the joke the way it was intended.

I think that’s probably right. I think he just intended it for Bush.

Allahpundit on November 1, 2006 at 10:16 PM

Ugly on November 1, 2006 at 10:28 PM

Stifle.

The word I was looking for was stifle. Of course, if you had a freakin’ spell check button, or I had the spelling skills of C+ 6th grader, I wouldn’t have to be typing this clarification.

Stiffle. Jeeze. I thought that word looked wrong.

EFG on November 1, 2006 at 10:31 PM

“Stiffle?”

Michelle on November 1, 2006 at 10:23 PM

Ask Greg Biffle about that

Ugly on November 1, 2006 at 10:33 PM

Ugly, if you think those comments are the equivalent of STFU, you may want to get a thicker skin.

A simple difference of opinion is just that. A difference of opinion.

EFG on November 1, 2006 at 10:36 PM

Ugly, if you think those comments are the equivalent of STFU, you may want to get a thicker skin.

A simple difference of opinion is just that. A difference of opinion.

EFG on November 1, 2006 at 10:36 PM

EFG, if you think I thought those were literal ‘STFU’s, then you need to grow a sense of subtlety.

Of course we all differ, and we’re all opinionated. Don’t take one quote from me and assume I’m a pussy. Those quoted posts all want this issue to vanish… my opinion is that this issue should be foremost, four days from election.

Ugly on November 1, 2006 at 10:52 PM

Ugly, noone is saying you can’t think that. But I, for one, think that any more carping about it will make us look like desperate uber-partisans who are trying to distract peoples attention from something. To be honest, I’m SHOCKED that it got as much play as it did… and it only got what it did because Kerry is an idiot.

Being perpetually outraged at the idiocy of something like Kerry is very emotionally demanding, and the general public will get tired of it really quickly. Throw in the fact that many will perceive this as a cheap shot aimed at a guy who made a very unfortunate mistake in his speech, and the problem gets worse because you appear to be unnecessarily piling on.

DaveS on November 1, 2006 at 11:02 PM

Being perpetually outraged at the idiocy of something like Kerry is very emotionally demanding, and the general public will get tired of it really quickly. Throw in the fact that many will perceive this as a cheap shot aimed at a guy who made a very unfortunate mistake in his speech, and the problem gets worse because you appear to be unnecessarily piling on.

DaveS on November 1, 2006 at 11:02 PM

Interesting.

So by paying close attention to what Kerry says & following up, we’re (as a conservative collection) somehow distancing the GP. Hmm. Hmm. HMMMMM.

I say BS.

Emotionally demanding. Do you want to know about emotionally demanding? Put them in charge.

Can you imagine a world where every move you make is recorded? Of course you can’t. As Conservatives, we have to ‘rise above it’ and forget. What a joke. But 2008 is right around the corner, folks. Don’t like getting dirty? Stay out of politics.

Ugly on November 1, 2006 at 11:14 PM

To be honest, I’m SHOCKED that it got as much play as it did

Really? why is that (honest question). We have 150,000+ soldiers and their families who were insulted by a sitting US Senator and 04 standard bearer for the Democrats and you’re shocked to became a big issue?

TheBigOldDog on November 1, 2006 at 11:24 PM

So by paying close attention to what Kerry says & following up, we’re (as a conservative collection) somehow distancing the GP.

We’ve already followed up. This has been a big story now for 2 days. That point aside, the answer to your question is “yes”… if Republicans continue to talk about this after he has apologized they will look like complete jackasses. Sort of like they did with the Webb novel stuff.

Don’t like getting dirty? Stay out of politics.

We already got dirty. We took a quote which was probably a joke gone awry, and promoted it in the worst possible light (which, granted, he probably actually believes)… eventually forcing an apology.

DaveS on November 1, 2006 at 11:29 PM

Really? why is that (honest question). We have 150,000+ soldiers…

Well…

a) The media. The Whitehouse threw its weight behind it, though, giving it more traction. This seems to me to be a risky move, though (see: Allen’s attacking Webb novels), because…

b) the casual, non-partisan observer probably assumes that he couldn’t POSSIBLY have meant to insult the troops given the less insulting anti-Bush meaning that it could have. Even many rightwing bloggers and even Rush Limbaugh saw the anti-Bush meaning there. Laura Ingraham, early yesterday, heard the clip for the first time while on the air and said that it was “definately” a Bush-is-stupid remark.

The Republicans have been very clever about getting this out there as an insult to the troops… I’m simply surprised that they were able to give it that much traction in a hostile media environment.

DaveS on November 1, 2006 at 11:36 PM

We already got dirty. We took a quote which was probably a joke gone awry, and promoted it in the worst possible light (which, granted, he probably actually believes)… eventually forcing an apology.

DaveS on November 1, 2006 at 11:29 PM

Gosh.

Not very evident which side you’re on, eh?

Ugly on November 1, 2006 at 11:39 PM

The Republicans have been very clever about getting this out there as an insult to the troops…

DaveS on November 1, 2006 at 11:36 PM

Spin, spin sugar

Ugly on November 1, 2006 at 11:41 PM

EFG, if you think I thought those were literal ‘STFU’s, then you need to grow a sense of subtlety

Subtlety. Nuance. Yeah, that stuff really worked out well for Kerry.

EFG on November 1, 2006 at 11:42 PM

Subtlety. Nuance. Yeah, that stuff really worked out well for Kerry.

EFG on November 1, 2006 at 11:42 PM

Mkay.

Are we or are we not discussing quotes that I quoted?

Kerry, the main point, is indeed sans nuance. Any subtlety lost is yours to find.

Ugly on November 1, 2006 at 11:46 PM

Are we or are we not discussing quotes that I quoted?

What, the monster quote dump you dropped at 10:28? The ones that are telling you to STFU with subtlety?

Sure go ahead.

Discuss.

EFG on November 1, 2006 at 11:57 PM

II think the issue is you fundamentally don’t view it as an insult to the troops. You think he meant Bush, which is fine (dead wrong, IMHO, for all the reasons I’ve menioned too many times in the last 48 hours) but fine. Many Americans disagree. “A gaffe by a politician only has real legs when it reinforces an existing perception” to quote a UK observe of this. B

As for Laura, that’s not what she said tonight on the Factor. I guess she had to think about it.

What I heard from Rush was more along these lines:

This is nothing new from Kerry, and it’s nothing new from the Democrats. So why in the world are they running away from it? I did note that they did send Jack Murtha out there today. They’re doing everything they can to keep this alive. Kerry is making radio appearances today. The Democrats say, “Just shut up. Just go away,” but that’s what they believe. Why in the world are they running away from John Kerry? This is what they say they believe. They must not want you to know this is what they believe, which is I guess the answer to my question.

Maybe he changed his mind too?

The picture from Iraq today pretty much sums up how the troops felt about it. Then you have the American Legion and AMVets weighing in.

Then you have a number of Dems, like Hillary, who had to come out today and condemn the remarks and call for an apology.

I disagree with how the average American took it. I’ve been listening to talk radio for 2 days and there were very few defenders. Kerry’s attempts at explaining it simply confirmed their initial reaction. Bryan’s recent post pretty much shows the Left’s track record when it comes to the militray and the American people are “plenty smart.” They know Kerry said what he meant and meant what he said.

TheBigOldDog on November 2, 2006 at 12:01 AM

Gosh. Not very evident which side you’re on, eh?

Good grief. Everything I said was an objective assessment of the situation as I saw it, and has nothing to do with “which side I’m on”.

DaveS on November 2, 2006 at 12:11 AM

Ugly, I am impressed with all of those quotes. You looked up each one and copied them onto a comment. You actually recorded these or filed these, what is your system? I have been reading Hot Air for a while and did not realize AP is a closet Democrat. Your research is amazing, so detailed, so thorough. I do not agree, what separates us from other sites is that we have a little humor, diversity in news (or diversion). But the amount of information you have collected is hard to ignore…my gosh what a lot of work. One suggestion…GET A LIFE, UGLY

right2bright on November 2, 2006 at 12:16 AM

Then you have a number of Dems, like Hillary, who had to come out today and condemn the remarks and call for an apology.

Of course they did. It became the politically correct thing to do. That doesn’t mean that they think Kerry said anything wrong (in their opinion). Do you think Bush really doesn’t believe that there were WMDs simply because he came out and talked about how crappy our intel was? Or do you think that maybe he actually thinks they were there but were moved? Can you really make a determination from the fact that he “admitted” the intel was bad? Don’t get off on a tangent about that… my point is simply that sometimes politicians cut their losses and concede things so they can move on.

As for Laura, that’s not what she said tonight… What I heard from Rush was more along these lines…

That’s what she said when she heard the tape. Rush never said he thought it was a Bush joke… he couched it in less commital language, like “I predict that they will say he meant to attack Bush”. But he recognized the obvious Bush-joke sound of it, in any case.

Let’s get to the pith of it…

I think the issue is you fundamentally don’t view it as an insult to the troops.

Superficially and as he intended it, no, I personally don’t think it was meant to directly insult the troops. HOWEVER, given Kerry’s elitist personality and his history of disparaging the military–coupled with the well documented liberal contempt for service men and women, or, at the least, child-like view of them–I don’t blame people for being offended by what actually came out of his mouth and I don’t blame the Republicans one bit for going after him on it.

Now that he has apologized, though, I think it would be incredibly stupid to press the issue. If you think that advocating smart political strategy for the Republicans is somehow equal to “being on the other side”… well, there isn’t much I can do for you.

DaveS on November 2, 2006 at 12:23 AM

Oh, and one more point…

I disagree with how the average American took it. I’ve been listening to talk radio for 2 days and there were very few defenders.

Are you seriously equating the ~20M Limbaugh/Hannity/other listeners with “the general public”?

I’m talking about the average person who reads the cover of the NYT as they walk past the little machine or who lingers on CNN Headline News for a few seconds at the top of the hour.. MAYBE watches Colbert or the Daily Show…

DaveS on November 2, 2006 at 12:29 AM

DaveS, I agree, time to move on. If we beat this to death it will take us to the grave with it. We can let it simmer, and have the candidates refer to it “a little”. I do disagree about the general public. I think the general public found the comment stupid and insulting. Give the general public credit, they know a bone-head statement when they hear it. That was not statesmanship at its best, and most know it. Ford, Hillary, et.al., all knew that it was bad, real bad, it was “let him hang himself” bad.

right2bright on November 2, 2006 at 12:41 AM

my gosh what a lot of work. One suggestion…GET A LIFE, UGLY

right2bright on November 2, 2006 at 12:16 AM

It took all of twenty minutes.

Maybe 25.

Don’t like what I quoted? Don’t read it.

Ugly on November 2, 2006 at 12:46 AM

right2bright, I don’t necessarily disagree. My main point there was simply that it is absurd to gauge the general public’s reaction by listening to talk radio. :-) But I do think a significant minority, at least, saw it as a screwed up joke.

That doesn’t mean it can’t still be offensive.

DaveS on November 2, 2006 at 12:47 AM

Now that he has apologized

DaveS on November 2, 2006 at 12:23 AM

WHO?? WHERE??

Ugly on November 2, 2006 at 12:48 AM

Ugly, I am impressed with all of those quotes. You looked up each one and copied them onto a comment. You actually recorded these or filed these, what is your system? I have been reading Hot Air for a while and did not realize AP is a closet Democrat. Your research is amazing, so detailed, so thorough.

right2bright on November 2, 2006 at 12:16 AM

I love sarcasm.

=’)

Ugly on November 2, 2006 at 12:52 AM

WHO?? WHERE??

Once again, just because YOU have complaints with his apology doesn’t mean that the general public has so carefully parsed it looking for problems or that you will come across as reasonable if you continue to complain about it.

DaveS on November 2, 2006 at 12:57 AM

just because YOU have complaints with his apology doesn’t mean that the general public has so carefully parsed it looking for problems

DaveS on November 2, 2006 at 12:57 AM

No shit, Sherlock. The General Public haven’t read his blog, have they?

Ugly on November 2, 2006 at 1:09 AM

I’m talking about the average person who reads the cover of the NYT as they walk past the little machine or who lingers on CNN Headline News for a few seconds at the top of the hour.. MAYBE watches Colbert or the Daily Show…

The average conservative leaning American doesn’t skim the NYT, watch CNN or enjoy Colbert or the Daily Show. The Right will never reach that crowd directly and trying to please people who will never be your customers is dumb business.

Be very careful of what’s often called “belly button marketing,” (assuming you personally are representative of most people.) It is often dangerous and wrong.

It would be equally wrong to assume what you read here is representative of anything except maybe the educated, right leaning 20 somethings.

Talk radio is much older and much broader than Rush. It has been alive and well here in Boston for at least the last 40 years. WRKO, a large all talk radio station in Boston, just turned 25 last week. On local talk, you hear from a lot more people with a broader diversity of opinions.

As for the apology, that’s really up to the active military and their families to accept or reject (after all, they are the ones insulted). From what I’ve been seeing and hearing, many of them have rejected it completely and are insulted by it. That may change today as things cool down. Time will tell. To assume we have any control over it, or that some Republican politico has control over it, or that MM has any control over it, is pure hubris.

TheBigOldDog on November 2, 2006 at 8:20 AM

Don’t like what I quoted? Don’t read it.

I never quite understand those statements. If I don’t read it, how do I know I won’t like it. Only after a pattern of consistant stupid statements would I just pass over what someone on these blogs write, and usually they (the writers) end up banned sooner than later. The HOt Air contributors have some of the most classic comments I have ever read. Some of the greatest one-liners. I don’t mind what you wrote, just impressed or amazed that someone actually knows how or has the ability or time to accumulate so many quotes..and then actually tries to use them in an argument. Still ends up being an opinion.
AP and others have great instincts, when a real “ball-busting” nugget comes across they will jump on it and ride it hard. This story has 24-48 hour legs, any more and it looks like we are piling on. Hillary knew how to handle it, she is formidable.

right2bright on November 2, 2006 at 8:25 AM