Did me mean…

Er, Did he mean…

C’mon, does anyone hear really think that he meant to say that the troops are idiots?

Or, more to the point, that troops are losers with no better choices in life, so you’d better study hard so youu don’t end up one of them? Yes! What did *you* think he said?

Even if that’s what he believes…

I rest my case

… does anyone think that’s what he meant to say?

Define “meant to say”. The soundtrack is so ingrained in the man/human karaoke machine that to him, saying it is like breathing. Did he mean to wreck his own career? Of course not! Did me mean to go out of his way to insult any troops? No. But that is clearly how the man thinks. Who can credibly assert otherwise?

C’mon, does anyone hear really think that he meant to say that the troops are idiots? Even if that’s what he believes, does anyone think that’s what he meant to say? I mean, really?

Good luck, Enrique. I think you’re arguing with the same folks who pretended not to know what “fiction” meant the other day.

And like I said, it’s all missing the main point: that whether Kerry meant it or not, a great many Democrats DO feel that way about our troops.

That’s the story here.

Look, Derbyshire’s right. Kerry clearly meant to goof on Bush, and f’ed it up. We all assume that he’s betraying his sinceere beliefs that the troops are dupes, which is reasonable since a lot of liberals do think that. But it’s not honest to pretend like we don’t know he meant to make a joke on Bush, not the troops.

Kerry’s a scumbag, and he may hate the troops, but he was clearly making a bad joke at Bush’s expense.

Doesn’t mean we can’t nail him for it, but let’s be honest with ourselves.

Enrique on November 1, 2006 at 1:53 PM

Hey Enrique:

Of course it was a joke. That’s pretty obvious. A lame joke, sure, but this is John Kerry we’re talking about. But I knew what he meant as soon as he said it.

Of course, I ALSO knew he’d screwed it up, and I knew how it sounded.

So the question is: why didn’t he?

Why didn’t he IMMEDIATELY correct the wording – and apologize?

Because the simple truth is that if you take it out of context, and read just the words he said – he definitely implied that the troops are all optionless losers. That IS what he said, no matter what he meant.

And unlike your basic Bush verbal gaffe that makes no sense at all – this made just enough sense to hurt a lot of people. So it’s not what he meant to say, or even what he said that bothers me … but his response to it!

Plus, there’s the fact that he’s sincerely and intentionally attacked the troops plenty of times in the last 35 years. I think if another liberal had done this, people might give him the benefit of the doubt; after his JennJiss Kahn bull!#$% … well, it’s hard to assume Kerry means well when it comes to the troops.

But you know what bothers me most of all? It’s the reaction from OTHER liberals. There are millions of Democrats out there right now applauding Kerry.

And they’re not applauding the joke he MEANT to say – they’re applauding the “our troops are uneducated morons” crap that actually came out of his mouth.

Personally, I agree with you. It was a stupid slip from a stupid man.

(Although I’d suggest it may hint at how he REALLY feels. Did you ever see footage of Shepard Smith on Fox News a year or so back, when he was talking about J. Lo? Go check You Tube – it’s there somewhere. If you missed it, he was trying to read off the teleprompter somethink like … J. Lo was kicked to the curb, given a curb job … something like that. Whatever that was supposed to mean. What he said, as clear as day, is, well … since there may be children present, I’ll just say it rhymes with “snow job.” Now that WAS a mistake obviously – and Smith immediately apologized to viewers and got very red in the face, while laughter rang in the background – but here’s my point: I’d suggest that Shepard Smith might find J. Lo just a wee bit attractive … and that um “snow job” comment originated from a real emotion. Same thing with Kerry. If this was just a slip … I think it was a meaningful slip, if you follow me.)

But the stuff from other liberals is even worse. They are openly crowing that soldiers ARE dumb, and that Kerry’s remark – slip or not – was right.

That’s why, no matter what Kerry meant, this is actually an important story. People deserve to know how Democrats actually feel about the troops.

Even if Kerry doesn’t mean what he said – millions of Democrats DO mean it, and they mean it gleefully.

As we all know, Kerry has a history of doing this sort of thing.

Yeah, he sure does. So let’s talk about that history (which would be substantive) instead of pretending that we don’t know he obviously meant to say “you end up getting us stuck in Iraq (which is manufactured outrage).

C’mon, does anyone hear really think that he meant to say that the troops are idiots? Even if that’s what he believes, does anyone think that’s what he meant to say? I mean, really?

Which isn’t to say that he doesn’t actually think the troops are idiots – maybe he does. And it doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t cynically nail him for misspeaking – we should.

Let’s just be up front about our cynicism. I think that would be a refreshing change in the realm of political discourse. Don’t you?

LOL, Professor – my wife, who is in the Army National Guard, just got back from a year on active duty training – spent the first half at Sheppard AFB, and the second half at Ft. Gordon. She was amazed at how much more physically rigorous the Army was compared to the Air Force, as well as the difference between the barracks conditions and the strictness of the discipline.

“Civilians in uniform,” I’d simply explain to her about our brothers and sisters in blue …

Spurius:

True story: when I was stationed in Scotland, the Marines all thought we’d died and gone to Heaven. The barracks had CARPET! Air conditioning! A freakin’ in room refrigerator. Just 2 guys to a room; some junior NCOs even had their own room!

Sure, it was kinda run down and, you know, military – gray and ugly … but all the single guys really thought they were livin’ large. A big step up from most Marine barracks.

But the Air Force guys? You ready for this? The small Air Force detachment (maybe a dozen zoomies) was getting a SUBSTANDARD HOUSING allowance … for living in the very same barracks. Cuz it just wasn’t good enough for them.

Seriously.

I repeat: frickin’ Air Force.

Kerry’s a scumbag, and he may hate the troops, but he was clearly making a bad joke at Bush’s expense.

Enrique, can you explain what the joke was supposed to be and how it would be the least bit funny? “Don’t screw up in school or you’ll wind up POTUS?”

The whole “They didn’t do their homework..” is crap. Kerry voted for it to. Did he not do his homework when he voted to go to Iraq? Was he trying to say “Don’t be like me”?

Look, Derbyshire’s right. Kerry clearly meant to goof on Bush, and f’ed it up. We all assume that he’s betraying his sinceere beliefs that the troops are dupes, which is reasonable since a lot of liberals do think that. But it’s not honest to pretend like we don’t know he meant to make a joke on Bush, not the troops.

Kerry’s a scumbag, and he may hate the troops, but he was clearly making a bad joke at Bush’s expense.

Doesn’t mean we can’t nail him for it, but let’s be honest with ourselves.

Enrique on November 1, 2006 at 1:53 PM

Like hell it’s not honest.

As we all know, Kerry has a history of doing this sort of thing. We also know that nowhere in his remarks did he mention Bush. When he had a chance to atone for it by showing at least a little contrition, he instead goes on the attack like someone who knows he’s been nailed. Now he is hiding the full transcript of his speech that would allow us to put his remarks in their full context, whatever it may be.

Actions speak louder than words, and Kerry’s actions, both past and present, are those of one who is guilty as charged. He’s certainly not getting the benefit of the doubt from me.

Kerry’s a scumbag, and he may hate the troops, but he was clearly making a bad joke at Bush’s expense.

Doesn’t mean we can’t nail him for it, but let’s be honest with ourselves.

BLOVIATING sacks of bovine byproducts! @Snapped Shot

sorry for spamming. its enraging to see the kerry camp spin this so completely perpendicular to the truth.

to say it is “unlikely” that kerry meant what came out of his mouth is another one of these things where progressives believe they live on the other side of a two-way mirror and that nobody who is not progressive is capable of understanding their level of discourse, so its appropriate only to lie to the proles when they must be addressed and otherwise ignored as progressives speak unguardedly amongst themselves.

in fact us proles can hear and understand and we know how commonly held the sentiiment kerry expressed was, and that it is more likely that that is what he meant than the bush thing.

i think my formulation best demonstrates that. and i hope people use it.

Sorry. Couldn’t help it. Frickin’ Air Force. :)

LOL, Professor – my wife, who is in the Army National Guard, just got back from a year on active duty training – spent the first half at Sheppard AFB, and the second half at Ft. Gordon. She was amazed at how much more physically rigorous the Army was compared to the Air Force, as well as the difference between the barracks conditions and the strictness of the discipline.

“Civilians in uniform,” I’d simply explain to her about our brothers and sisters in blue … but then again, a common USAF retort is, “Who joins the Army? Everyone who couldn’t get into the Air Force, Navy or Marines!”

Back OT, Victor Davis Hanson pegs it when it comes to diagnosing “Kerryism,” and how it’s closely related to Bush Derangement Syndrome. The former has been around a lot longer than the latter, but BDS has a way of exacerbating the symptoms of Kerryism to the point where those suffering from it have great difficulty in suppressing outbreaks of the symptoms.

- Scott McClellan, White House Press Secretary (November 11, 2005)

Where’s Waldo Ted?

Of course Republicans are going to squeeze every bit of political advantage they can out of it, but that doesn’t mean Kerry doesn’t deserve every bit of it.

Yo, Johnny! F****ck you very much.

Get your gear for the next Kerry Lied rally here. “Proud Veteran-American. Silent No More!” We haven’t gone away, Johnny, and we haven’t forgotten. We’re still here, locked and loaded, waiting for you to crawl back out from under that rock again. Bring it on, Johnny.

Bill Faith
USAF 1970-1974
Proud Viet Nam Veteran
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I expected it from the left. I expected it from the protesters. I never expected it from an EX Marine and senator.

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