Michelle interviews Bill Scher

posted at 8:02 am on October 30, 2006 by Bryan

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What did Rove leak, Bill? You’ve been reading Jason Leopold again, haven’t you?

Pablo on October 30, 2006 at 8:21 AM

A nice little smoozefest, tete-a-tete among old friends which shows we can still have a cup of coffee and hug our old liberal friends and colleagues.

Lots of words here, but not much substance, in my opinion.

Webutante

Webutante on October 30, 2006 at 8:35 AM

I think it’s a healthy little reminder, in the midst of a heated election season, that you can disagree vehemently with your most extremist political opponents without ripping each other’s throats out and leaving a blood-spattered mess.

Michelle on October 30, 2006 at 8:40 AM

Heh, did you hear Mrs. Malkin groan when Liberal Oasis man said that Karl Rove is telling national security secrets? I didn’t at first, because I groaned at the same time :)

Kevin M on October 30, 2006 at 8:44 AM

Well, I can’t listen to today’s Vent yet, because I’m at work and the boss is in this morning But, I had to say that Michelle looks awfully darn cute in that screenshot. I’ll check the Vent when I get home, or maybe during lunch.

vcferlita on October 30, 2006 at 8:50 AM

I’m sorry Michelle, but I could only watch a little bit of this segment. I see Liberals as not only wrong on most issues, but arrogantly and dangerously foolish, so it’s difficult to stomach anything they say. I have a very liberal father-in-law, and to keep the peace, we just can’t talk politics.

liberty on October 30, 2006 at 9:05 AM

Dig a little deeper in Murtha’s military record and the elaborations of his “heroism” become quite evident. Do some digging, folks. I promise, the fraud is right there for the taking.

seejanemom on October 30, 2006 at 9:07 AM

Actually, my comments would have been almost identical to what Webutante wrote a little bit earlier this morning, so I will just second that comment and leave it at that!

asc85 on October 30, 2006 at 9:11 AM

SeejaneMom:

I don’t see anything wrong with his public record, except he doesn’t have the citations for the medals posted on his site. He needs to release all his records. Maybe he and JF Kerry can release them at the same time.

Also, REMFs didn’t get Silver Stars, like Murtha, without going into the war zone, only the complimentary Bronze star, without combat V.

enigma00825 on October 30, 2006 at 9:27 AM

Nice job Michelle. Hotair is quietly galvanizing moderate liberals to the right. The nutrooots will be irrelevant in two years if she keeps this up. Do you think Ariana would invite Mark Steyn over for a chat? Me neither.

Interview Brigette Gabriel next, pretty please.

Theworldisnotenough on October 30, 2006 at 9:32 AM

Re. Brigitte: Working on it. Stay tuned…

Michelle on October 30, 2006 at 9:33 AM

Re. Brigitte: Working on it. Stay tuned…

Nice. She’s awesome.

Pablo on October 30, 2006 at 9:37 AM

It’s good to see something like friendship trump partisan politics.

Well done, Michelle.

EFG on October 30, 2006 at 9:44 AM

Michelle, et.al.,

I too appreciate that here is a context in which libs and right-wingers can have a relatively decent, robust discussion without things devolving into a shouting match. It helps that you guys are not limited by ridiculous TV time constraints which essentially forbid any discussion of real depth and are only seeking the latest sound bytes/gotcha’s.

I also think the thing about Rove was him pulling a leftist talking point out of his…hat.

urbancenturion on October 30, 2006 at 9:53 AM

Man, that Rove can do everything, can’t he?

And gets away with it, obviously.

But as far as the content of this interview, it’s more of the same, which is nothing. If I had to survive on what the dems dish out as substance, I’d be looking like Michelle by the end of the year.

And it is very telling that they just can’t admit that their message is bankrupt–they steadfastly maintain that because of those darned republicans and their jackboot majority, the dems just can’t articulate their ideas. And if you just elect them, well then…they’ll be able to do so and the whole world will be peaceful, happy, prosperous, and free.

I remain unconvinced.

Bob's Kid on October 30, 2006 at 9:54 AM

Not even nice approachable liberals have a clue.

Ropera on October 30, 2006 at 10:02 AM

As a teacher this reminds me of countless conversations that I’ve had with my teacher friends. He’s a nice guy but he still cancels our my vote. I think this demonstrates that even our friends who are liberals STILL spout the same nonsense as the liberal collective. It’s your blog Michelle but feel free to be UNfair and UNbalanced here on the Internet.

Mojave Mark on October 30, 2006 at 10:07 AM

I do love how Karl Rove is such an evil genius. That seems to be the only substantial point that Liberals can articulate to the public. The rest of what he said was blah, blah, blah…

Dittohead on October 30, 2006 at 10:12 AM

Still haven’t heard a liberal who was a serious thinker.

jdpaz on October 30, 2006 at 10:16 AM

I gotta agree with Liberty,

“I see Liberals as not only wrong on most issues, but arrogantly and dangerously foolish”

I am no longer able to tolerate their willful ignorance, their socialist pandering, and their smug Godlessness.

NRA4Freedom on October 30, 2006 at 10:18 AM

Yup, you are amazing Michelle… I couldn’t have done that…

I’ve had few debates like that in recent times.

ar_basin on October 30, 2006 at 10:19 AM

I think it’s a healthy little reminder, in the midst of a heated election season, that you can disagree vehemently with your most extremist political opponents without ripping each other’s throats out and leaving a blood-spattered mess.

Michelle on October 30, 2006 at 8:40 AM

It is a very rare occasion when I disagree with you, Michelle.

This guy is not your most extreme political opponent. Your most extreme opponents would never sit down with you like this and visit.

However, the positive point is that not all self-labelled liberals are insane knuckle-heads. There are a lot of Liberal Democrats out there that are just as disenfranchized as anyone by the current Socialist Democrats running their party.

Out here in “the heartland” I know quite a few Democrats who have been voting Republican lately, and plan to vote Republican next week. Because, firstly, they identify themselves as Values Voters, and then secondly as Democrats.

You know… all those Republican Values Voters the Democrats keep attacking? Not all Values Voters are registered Republicans, and not all Values Voters vote straight tickets.

As I’ve said before. The next several election cycles are not elections the Democrats can win. However, they definitely are elections that Republicans can loose. Both Dems and Reps seem to be going out of their way lately to see who can lose the worst. It’s like watching a train wreck starting to happen, and the only thing one can do is watch.

Lawrence on October 30, 2006 at 10:24 AM

I’m not sure that I can handle this litte love fest. I have what I thought was a liberal friend. I sent him and others a powerpoint slide show that had been making its way thru email. The pps had slides about our little complaints contrasted to what our troops in the field go through. It was basically a “stop you damn whining” pps, those guys have it tough so that you can live your cushy life. My liberal friend wrote a flaming response that he couldn’t express how angry he was for that “maliciously deceptive” pps. His words. Then he went on to vent about how much better the troops would have it under dem rule and that how protestors really do support the troops, just not the moron in charge of them …

I was going to email back and ask how many liberals have gone to airports to greet the soldiers returning from duty or how many times he has personally thanked a soldier for his/her service to the nation, but I just decided to remove his email from my address book. The true colors were revealed.

These little nice chats will go on for a time, but sooner or later the dhimmicraps will show their comtempt for this country.

-FFOG

Fogpig on October 30, 2006 at 10:30 AM

I’m sad to say that I’m starting to agree with Fogpig. I had a friend who I used to have a great deal of respect for. He moved to the northwest coast for school, and changed quite substantially. My last conversation with him involved either, ignoring, or completely misconstruing my questions, as well as calling me a blind Bush follower. It is imminently frustrating to be treated like that by someone who I used to like and respect. Now, I have to conclude that somehow he was brainwashed (enlightened, in his view).

It is so common, to hear people say things like; “I don’t hate anyone, well except OBL, I don’t think he is nice at all, and well GWB, of course.” In the face of a society with so many seemingly nice people, with such disconnected and misinformed, negative opinions, it’s tough to be optimistic.

aelhues on October 30, 2006 at 10:53 AM

try living in MA. I cant voice my opinion anywhere…ive become a hermit.

Darkmegatron on October 30, 2006 at 10:58 AM

As for MM, all that I can say is “well done”. This is exactly how political discourse is SUPPOSED to occur. The exchange of ideas with the other side should NOT be warfare.

As for your liberal friend, judging by his remarks about Rove, I am convinced that he is “on something.” And whatever it is that he is “on”, it is clear that the dosage is not nearly “enough”. I strongly suggest that he consult immediately with a physician, and that he stop trying adjust the dosage level of these powerful drugs himself.

As for me, I am extremely envious that he received a hug. Does Jesse know that you hug your opponents?

CyberCipher on October 30, 2006 at 11:01 AM

Michelle you forgot to say “BOO”. How can you create a dialog with these egotistical zero wanna be hero jerks? I say to the liberal book babies,life does not come out of a book. GET A JOB and work for a living, become a productive member of society. We will see what happens when you bring the economy crashing down. Every sociology,phsycology and political science major will be on the lunch menue. You are trying to play God and create a prallel universe. Go buy a Mattel Monster factory and have at it. You bozos are treking down a path in the woods. Go home! Is it possible to breach this casm of ignorance. It seems the liberals haven’t learned from their “time out”. There is gonna be hell to pay for our President, if they have their way. Are we just a bunch of last gaspers? Talk is cheap,actions speak louder than words. I’m not sure if the result of this election is a foregone conclusion, but I surely have sent my mail in ballot and have been talking to family and friends to get out the vote. I also volunteered to work at a polling place.

sonnyspats1 on October 30, 2006 at 11:11 AM

Interesting variation from the standard Vent, it’s good to hear a thoughtful explanation of the liberal view even if we disagree.

I checked out the Liberal Oasis link and there is nary a mention of his participation with HotAir. I guess he would lose some face with his readers.

MRegine on October 30, 2006 at 11:12 AM

There’s not a single piece of legislation [passed by the Republicans] that the average American looks at and says ‘Thanks, thanks for passing that. It really helps.’

Does he mean something like a tax cut? I think people would thank Congress for that. How about eliminating the Department of Education? I’d sure be thankful for that. What about border enforcement? Conservative judges? Just what kinds of legislation do “average Americans” thank Congress for and why? I’m sure this guy doesn’t have a clue, but I’m guessing he’s thinking more along the lines of “free” health care or windfall profits taxes or abolishing oil drilling wherever there’s oil. I won’t be thanking anyone for that.

kmcguire on October 30, 2006 at 11:18 AM

“You can withdraw troops…and still be engaged…politically,…diplomatically,…economically…”

I guess Scher wants to go to those reliable standbys that have stood their beloved UN is such great stead – Expressions of Grave Concern and Sternly Worded Letters. And since the troops would be out, the counter-terrorism help he suggests would most likely come from our sharing some of that intel his side is so anxious we not collect.

eeyore on October 30, 2006 at 11:40 AM

Have you hugged a liberal today? I have to say my conversations with the liberals in my life do not go quite that well! Very well done, too bad we don’t see this kind of thing on the news channels.

jjjen on October 30, 2006 at 11:44 AM

I see the next Hannity and Colmes. Just wait by the phone, I hear a staffer in the MSNBC newsroom was going to make the call.

Gwillie on October 30, 2006 at 11:45 AM

Saalamat for an illuminating interview Michelle. The pragmatics of politeness are that actual philosophical outlooks, and the holes therein, get illuminated in a manner virtually impossible in a screaming match. Such was the case here.

Now for what is wrong with “the liberals”: The purpose of this war are the same as with any other war. To reduce enemy capabilities and render them harmless. The advantages of Afghanisatan are readily apparent. A privileged sanctuary for the enemy is no more.

Iraq is more difficult, but even more critical. The re-establishment of an orient-based caliphate is essential to wahabi/jihadist goals. With Uncle Sam in Iraq, such a caliphate is impossible.

Dubya and the Repubs are unfortunately inarticulate about this. On the other hand, them Dems are clueless at best. The reason is that their party and “liberalism” in general is defined by and often dominated by cowardice masquerading as superior moralism. Thus, their definition of enemy is sublimated to mean those who have differing viewpoints but who will do them no harm. Barbarians and psychopaths are then given a free pass.

Your friend/guest is not himself a moonbat but he has been swayed by them. That is why he is more concerned with Karl Rove than with masked marauders and their beheading knife.

If and when liberals wake up as to what and whom the enemy is, they may be able to provide some valuable assistance. Until then????????

How this has all come about is a bit of a mystery at least to me. For the moment, “staying the course” is not AN option, it is the only sane one. Lose Iraq and we have a longer and nastier war with an increased number of American dead. Current casualtiy rates, while regrettable, remain affordable. A hundred dead in the worst month? My personal memories involve defining success as getting the dead down to a hundred a week instead of the previously prevailing three hundred weekly. (Thank you Creighton Abrams)

And finally, our real shortcoming is impatience. We like to get things over with in a hurry. Sometimes that cannot be done. Accept that and we can fight it out if it takes all century.

Oilpatcher on October 30, 2006 at 11:56 AM

Nice horns, where’s the tail?

Defector01 on October 30, 2006 at 12:32 PM

Thank-you Michelle and you too Bill. I wish my conversations with the left were as civil.

infidel on October 30, 2006 at 1:18 PM

The pragmatics of politeness are that actual philosophical outlooks, and the holes therein, get illuminated Oh Kinda like threading a needle with a tug boat rope.

sonnyspats1 on October 30, 2006 at 1:27 PM

Michelle was almost giddy in the vent. Methinks the coffee was spiked!! Heh.

Lets see: not cut and run….a more nuanced cut and run.

And his obsession with Karl Rove….sad.

The left remains a party of overt socialism/communism, character assasination and anti-American propaganda.

MarkB on October 30, 2006 at 1:51 PM

Michelle,

I totally agree with you on your post above.

Having such discourse with someone on the other end of the political spectrum in these polarized times, with grace and humor, displays the highest form of maturity and pays the greatest tribute to our democratic way of life than anything else I know. Well done role modelling.

Now if only our regressed enemies could find chatting over a cup of tea more fun than, say, chopping off one’s head over a misplaced metaphor, there might be more cause for hope. Sadly, I don’t see that happening.

But keep up the good, civilized work. And very best wishes.

Webutante

Webutante on October 30, 2006 at 1:54 PM

I checked out the Liberal Oasis link and there is nary a mention of his participation with HotAir. I guess he would lose some face with his readers.
MRegine on October 30, 2006 at 11:12 AM

It looks like he put up a post about their conversation shortly after your comment:
My Attempt At Career Suicide Posted by Bill Scher at 12:18 PM.

Kevin on October 30, 2006 at 2:23 PM

funny kevinM… i was rolling my eyes when he was whining about Karl Rove, and thought to myself “did michelle just groan?” i rewound and relistened and she did! hahaha!

once again michelle, its the same old thing with liberals, they b**ch & moan about whats being done, but i have yet to hear a coherent alternative or even a better idea

angry_mike on October 30, 2006 at 2:25 PM

Is it just me, or did he not put forward even *one* useful idea?

Jonathon on October 30, 2006 at 2:41 PM

I think this was great, and if the liberals who still have a conscience – like KP – can handle and enjoy a sit-down with a great mind like Michelle, more power to ‘em. But isn’t the problem that the vast majority of them just can’t? I’ve tried “nice and friendly” don’t-lose-my-cool political discussions with liberal friends and family, but they inevitably can’t stand having their faulty premises exposed, which even the slightest turn of phrase can do. So, with the liberals I know who I like, and even those I love, I’ve learned to stay light years away from politics. Wish I knew someone like Liberal Oasis who seems to be above much of the fray, but I think they are a very rare breed indeed, and always will be. But Michelle, this was touching, and some good fun.

Halley on October 30, 2006 at 2:49 PM

I don’t like Michelle’s look in the screen cap… for whatever reason it screams “Minnie Mouse” to me. I prefer to be able to take Michelle more seriously.

In any case, if I’m giving fashion advice, I’m way the heck out of my MOS.

E L Frederick on October 30, 2006 at 3:27 PM

This close to election day and to have a liberal talking point puppet on the vent with Michelle, for the most part not rebutted, is weak at a time we need some fire power. Get out the hammer, Michelle.

Wade on October 30, 2006 at 3:46 PM

Michelle, you really do need to get a higher class of friends. I could barely sit through this schlock with you asking this liberal freak of nature questions about the Iraq war. Throw this little fruitloop back in the pond…please.

lynnv on October 30, 2006 at 3:56 PM

Defector01 says:

Nice horns, where’s the tail?

Oh, you’re naughty. Okay. My turn to be naughty.
The tail (as in ass, as in donkey, as in Democrat, as in liberal) was in plain view (aka Bill). What about the obligatory pitchfork? Do you suppose it was missing because the Dark Lord (Rove) was out grinding/sharpening the tips?

CyberCipher on October 30, 2006 at 3:58 PM

Nice to see a timeout from the rancor from both sides and the closing hug was perfect.

DaMav on October 30, 2006 at 4:29 PM

Did you notice that he used the phrase “articulated a foreign policy vision” at least half a dozen times, used the word “articulated” at least 10 times, kept repeating that liberals have to be better about articulating their policy visions …

… and then completely failed to articulate any policy vision?

That’s funny.

Is the truth really as simple as this: liberals just don’t have a vision?

Professor Blather on October 30, 2006 at 4:35 PM

Liberals have a vision, it just requires Rainbows, unicorns, magical creatures, genies, world peace, everyone getting along.

Basically the same effect has having a pre-frontal lobotomy.

E L Frederick on October 30, 2006 at 5:16 PM

I think it’s a healthy little reminder, in the midst of a heated election season, that you can disagree vehemently with your most extremist political opponents without ripping each other’s throats out and leaving a blood-spattered mess.

When are you going to put that into practice on your blog?

Vanya on October 30, 2006 at 5:19 PM

It was civil. But only because he was free to spout his mistruths and misconceptions without interference or counter. Seemed like a CNN interview at best. Still, MM may have something here, laying right below the surface.

Griz on October 30, 2006 at 6:09 PM

Michelle,

I totally agree with you on your post above.

Having such discourse with someone on the other end of the political spectrum in these polarized times, with grace and humor, displays the highest form of maturity and pays the greatest tribute to our democratic way of life than anything else I know. Well done role modelling.

Now if only our regressed enemies could find chatting over a cup of tea more fun than, say, chopping off one’s head over a misplaced metaphor, there might be more cause for hope. Sadly, I don’t see that happening.

But keep up the good, civilized work. And very best wishes.

Webutante

Webutante on October 30, 2006 at 1:54 PM

What She Said.

sonnyspats1 on October 30, 2006 at 6:18 PM

When are you going to put that into practice on your blog?

This from someone who is the perfect archetypal example of the divisive unthinkingly reflexive partisan troll.

Now *THAT* is really funny!

Professor Blather on October 30, 2006 at 6:49 PM

I see Liberals as not only wrong on most issues, but arrogantly and dangerously foolish, so it’s difficult to stomach anything they say.

I quite agree, liberty, either that or they’re lying or they should know they’re lying when they “mistate” facts to make their case, on those extremely rare occasions they actually do try to make a case for what they want.
I know I can’t stomach it and use the mute button on my TV remote quite a lot.

E L Frederick, I got the Minnie Mouse image, too, as if MM has to appear cute and sweet so as to be sufficiently non-threatening to the other side.
Bows on the head are adorable but don’t exactly say that a lady is “arguing from a position of authority.”

Sorry, but I’m not going to be nice or civil to Liberals anytime soon–when I think of how they’ve ruined this country and hurt us and our soldiers in this war, I just get furious!

Jen the Neocon on October 30, 2006 at 6:58 PM

My boss is a liberal. We’ve had debates which can get heated. He is probably the only liberal I can talk to without getting sick. He is on our side when it comes to illegal immigrants. He doesn’t agree with us being in Iraq but feels since we are there, we should fight to win.

I am also stranded here in the People’s Republic of Taxachusetts. It is depressing seeing all the moonbats with their signs. If these useful idiots could think, they’d understand our taxes will sky rocket if Deval “Dukakis” Patrick gets elected.

Mooseman

Mooseman on October 30, 2006 at 7:12 PM

That’s a great description of Mr. Murtha enigma, REFM. I haven’t heard that one in quite a while! I don’t think any of those Cut and Run democraps could find their own arse with both hands.

Zorro on October 30, 2006 at 7:45 PM

Sorry, Michelle, but I not longer have any tolerance or respect for the liberal/leftist point of view. Just going through the exercise of trying to pretend to be respectful of such innane, irrational, and nonsensical ideology would be an injustice to my sanity, my character, and my way of life. Now, don’t misunderstand that what I’m saying is that I would disrespect people who hold these views, because I don’t. It’s their views that I disdain.

But, I have no desire to try to understand or rationalize their irrationality or their viewpoints. I can be civil to liberals/leftist, but not to what they believe.

Asmodeus on October 30, 2006 at 8:03 PM

Liberals are NOT our friends. People who want to cut and run plus say nasty things about the Commander and Chief, while we have Men and Women stationed in dangerous places are not our friends.

Lives are in danger. It isn’t talk, it is lives. When we are talking about politicians getting along or having a debate, it is lives. The lives of sons daughters, husbands and wives. I don’t think anyone has to be nice to people who are saying nasty things putting their lives in danger.

Maybe I am a bit more agrivated than usual today about liberals and their socialist ilk. Today, I walked through parking lots, hallways, and other decks. There were young people who just got back from Iraq and were being processed as they arrived home. I seen them there, with their backpacks waiting around the building all day.

When I see these young people, I feel proud of them and this country. I see people who are doing things worth while with their lives who come home with memories of what ever went on there. Walking through the hallways, I control a teary eye thinking I am among heros or people who dedicate their lives for us.

I think of people like us folks here, we come home read Hot Air, Watch Vent and type our views here, just living the leisure life. These people are not doing that, we have it so easy. Perhaps there is a guilt on my part, seeing these people doing and have done so much and we just sitting here typing what we are typing here.

To conclude, I see liberals or hear liberals, I think of these brave men and women I seen and walked among today. They are people who by their actions and what they say, can make it where most of these people I walked among would not be there today but perhaps “elsewhere” due to the libs.

StuLongIsland on October 30, 2006 at 9:46 PM

Is the truth really as simple as this: liberals just don’t have a vision?

Professor Blather on October 30, 2006 at 4:35 PM

He said that they had to articulate that “vision” after they win on Nov. 7th, 2006. Must be done ahead, not après.

He made my day when he (a nice person) said “we’re all sane”. Many people and statements came to mind – it was pretty amusing.

I never try to convert such people but adore talking to them, calmly, with examples and logic. Ex. “W is not my President”. “Really, Bill Clinton was and is mine”… The erudite/elitist ones are the best to tango with because they can’t act like cretins but you can take them close enough to where they realize their own flawed ‘reasoning’ capabilities.

Entelechy on October 30, 2006 at 11:18 PM

I’m sorry Michelle, but I could only watch a little bit of this segment. I see Liberals as not only wrong on most issues, but arrogantly and dangerously foolish, so it’s difficult to stomach anything they say. I have a very liberal father-in-law, and to keep the peace, we just can’t talk politics.

I agree with you to a point liberty but it’s also important to “know thy enemy”. I sometimes venture into liberal websites and blogs to see what’s going on from their side.

Yakko77 on November 1, 2006 at 4:36 PM