You are not waiting for an answer–you are waiting for any sort of reply to tee off on. Nonetheless: Come on honora, you’re the queen of teeing off on people, as you did below suggesting I sit around in my jammies, without a life, without a job and that I stink. You know nothing about my personal life, or my job, and as best I can tell it isn’t possible to detect an odor over the internet.

1) remove Rumsfeld. He is completely associated with the current, failing policy. And replace with who, Kerry?

2) work on a political solution, not a military one. When we are getting shot at by both the Sunnis and the Shiites, exactly who is military trying to defeat? A political solution involves presenting the Iraqis with hard choices–have a plan in place to share oil revenue with all sects, dismantle sectarian militias within 18 months, or agree to a partitioning, or see ya later. Oh, what a wonderful world it would be …. Now you’re not assuming full cooperation from the insurgents and Al Qaeda are you? That could blow a huge hole in your Utopian plan. Political solutions will not make these death squads disappear. Pure fantasy honora.

3) involve neighboring countries to support Iraqi security (border security especially). Yeh, that’ll work. They’ve been very helpful up to now. I’m sure Iran will pitch in. Perhaps if Madeline Albright gave Hussein a autographed basketball from Michale Jordan, the Syrians would lend a hand too.

Now I know you will have massive disagreements with this, you are still with stay the course and anything else is cut and run. Yada, yada, yada. As a wise man once said, the opposite of stay the course doesn’t have to be cut and run, it can be stop and think. Another wise man said stay the course doesn’t mean your inflexible to change, it can mean stay until the work is done and the objective is met.

Typical honora, responding to posts 12 hours after the fact and hoping no one will notice.

I have a real life and a real job; can’t stay in my jammies all day working on my high umbrage. You should try to get out once in a while if only to blow the stink off. I served my country for six years, put myself through college, ran my own business for 30 years, put three sons through college and retired last year. Blow the stink off of that, OK? So, after a lifetime of hardwork, I reward myself by spending every day doing damn well what I please.

And the Vanity Fair article noted its sources–the CDC was one, as was the Census. Communists all of course. Like I care who Vanity Fair sourced.

(1) I’m not your friend. So I’m not offended by your blathering.

(2) YOUR former standard bearer for the presidency typifies what YOUR party has become:

“You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.” John Kerry, 30 October 2006

And as of this posting, NOT ONE DEMOCRAT has the balls or desire to criticize Kerry for his remark.

Congratulations. Your party has just committed mass suicide.

Suggestion: When you line up for your glass of Grape Kool-aid on November 8, try adding a spoonful of sugar.

calumniuos

Calumnious. My spelling is calamitous….

honora, there’s no such word as “calaminous.”
Did you mean calamitous? Or were you trying to coin an adjective for “calumny?”

Actually I misspelled calumniuos but calamitous works too.

Color of the states Usama bin Laden reached out to: BLUE.

JackM on October 31, 2006 at 12:41 PM

Exactly, high value targets.

I’ll be waiting – for an ANSWER, not a stat, not a poll, not a distraction to some other topic and not some reference as to how dumb you think people are who disagree with you.

My guess is, you won’t have a solution and you’ll explain why by blaming Bush.

fogw on October 31, 2006 at 1:05 PM

You are not waiting for an answer–you are waiting for any sort of reply to tee off on. Nonetheless:

1) remove Rumsfeld. He is completely associated with the current, failing policy.
2) work on a political solution, not a military one. When we are getting shot at by both the Sunnis and the Shiites, exactly who is military trying to defeat? A political solution involves presenting the Iraqis with hard choices–have a plan in place to share oil revenue with all sects, dismantle sectarian militias within 18 months, or agree to a partitioning, or see ya later.
3) involve neighboring countries to support Iraqi security (border security especially).

Now I know you will have massive disagreements with this, you are still with stay the course and anything else is cut and run. Yada, yada, yada. As a wise man once said, the opposite of stay the course doesn’t have to be cut and run, it can be stop and think.

Typical honora, responding to posts 12 hours after the fact and hoping no one will notice.

I have a real life and a real job; can’t stay in my jammies all day working on my high umbrage. You should try to get out once in a while if only to blow the stink off.

And the Vanity Fair article noted its sources–the CDC was one, as was the Census. Communists all of course.

The hysteria on this thread is very interesting. Protesting too much my little right wing friends. Those ain’t new clothes the emperor is wearing kids.

Here’s the deal: if we pull out, it will be a mess; if we stay in, it will be a mess. The people who created the mess will be held accountable.

Oh and BTW, Murtha will be re-elected. If you really want to push that aneurism, pick up a copy of this month’s Vanity Fair. It shows some real differences between red and blue states–with sources cited for the info.

Top 10 states for divorce? Red.
Top 10 states for suicide? Red.
Top 10 states for death from firearms? Red.
Bottom 10 states for education (achievement)? Red.

So the good news is if the country comes to its senses and votes Dem, you may stay married, stay alive, not be shot and have smarter kids. It’s an ill wind as they say….;^)

honora on October 31, 2006 at 9:50 AM

Typical honora, responding to posts 12 hours after the fact and hoping no one will notice. Yesterday it was citing thinkprogress.com, today it’s Vanity Fair. Love the sources! Why not add a CNN/USA poll while you’re at it. Are you capable of arguing any issue on your own without referring to a statistic or poll from a biased source?

Unfortunately honora fails to ever put forth a solution to the problem in Iraq, only criticism, and now today, even a bit of cheerleading for Murtha, who tried and convicted our brave troops in the press.

There is one poll I would like to see. I’d like to poll every active duty marine serving our country, and ask if they agree with the senile, ex-marine, pork-barrel, union-kissass congressman from western PA.

Why don’t you take a crack at answering the question I posed yesterday. For some reason you ignored it.

So should we just sit back and watch it happen, or do something about it, like fighting them in their own back yard instead of on Main Street USA?

What do you suggest, we sit down and talk with them?

So honora, since everything Bush has done relating to Iraq is a failure, what do you suggest we do?

I’ll be waiting – for an ANSWER, not a stat, not a poll, not a distraction to some other topic and not some reference as to how dumb you think people are who disagree with you.

My guess is, you won’t have a solution and you’ll explain why by blaming Bush.

Color of the states Usama bin Laden reached out to: BLUE.

WOW! Between this and a couple of other threads … man, I haven’t seen an ass whuppin’ like that since the last time Tyson fought a *white* guy!

Tony737 on October 30, 2006 at 6:00 PM

Comedy is hard, isn’t it?

So what would you consider progress honora? Because frankly I think you are primarily a bullshit oriented gal, who doesn’t give a damn about any progress that doesn’t directly benefit you.

B Moe on October 30, 2006 at 4:38 PM

Then why don’t we agree not to communicate–you think I am BS oriented, so what’s the point? Good.

Look I just lurk normally… But I feel a need to answer one of Honora’s questions without snark. She asked:

“don’t get this–anytime the discussion gets around to the horrible handling of the war, people start with Clinton’s sins. What is the point of that, seriously?”

The point in my mind for that is simply that the problem started getting worse then. 43 made his share of mistakes, but they mostly started getting worse under 42, so you start analyzing there.

Dawnsblood on October 30, 2006 at 6:37 PM

Thank you for the lack of snark. For analysis, I take your point. But we are now looking at what to do now; I contend the 90’s are pretty irrelevant to Baghdad 06.

Here’s the deal: if we pull out, it will be a mess; if we stay in, it will be a mess. The people who created the mess will be held accountable.

Oh and BTW, Murtha will be re-elected. If you really want to push that aneurism, pick up a copy of this month’s Vanity Fair. It shows some real differences between red and blue states–with sources cited for the info.

Top 10 states for divorce? Red.
Top 10 states for suicide? Red.
Top 10 states for death from firearms? Red.
Bottom 10 states for education (achievement)? Red.

So the good news is if the country comes to its senses and votes Dem, you may stay married, stay alive, not be shot and have smarter kids. It’s an ill wind as they say….;^)

As Ralph Peters, said in an article at frontpage.com”

Iraq deserves one last chance. But to make that chance even remotely viable, we’ll have to take desperate measures. We need to fight. And accept the consequences.

The first thing we need to do is to kill Muqtada al-Sadr, who’s now a greater threat to our strategic goals than Osama bin Laden.

We should’ve killed him in 2003, when he first embarked upon his murder campaign. But our leaders were afraid of provoking riots.

We must kill – not capture – Muqtada, then kill every gunman who comes out in the streets to avenge him.

For those of you that fought in Vietnam or lived through that period of time know what Raplh Peters is talking about I agree with him 100%.

Who can explain Murtha when we can’t even explain Senator Kennedy?

*recently declassified*

…in both cases…very hush-hush….

(whispering)

…a little known War Department experiment back in 1932…monkeys having sex with footballs…research scientists experimenting with confiscated Prohibition hooch…Joe Kennedy and J. Edgar doing the tango in drag….

…members of the Hoover Administration went to their graves with the secret….

“don’t get this–anytime the discussion gets around to the horrible handling of the war, people start with Clinton’s sins. What is the point of that, seriously?”

The point in my mind for that is simply that the problem started getting worse then. 43 made his share of mistakes, but they mostly started getting worse under 42, so you start analyzing there.

The MSM is negatively reporting war news.

The libs want to cut and run like they did to the Vietnamese.

The final part yet to be similar is when they “redeploy” and we see the helicopers on the Embassey roof.

I wonder if we will have boat people along with the “redeployment”.

But schools and vaccines don’t count as progress. At least not in Iraq, even though that is all you proggs crow about over here. And ousting the Taliban and having elections in Afghanistan? Not progress. Getting rid of Saddam and having elections in Iraq? Not progress.

So what would you consider progress honora? Because frankly I think you are primarily a bullshit oriented gal, who doesn’t give a damn about any progress that doesn’t directly benefit you.

Plus, you’re a typical Dim Leftist apologist (Duh.). ThinkProgress, please!
Not only is the MSM working for the enemy, but they’re also working hand-in-glove with the DNC.
One enables the other.
Hence the spectacle of CNN defending their airing of an IslamoNazi sniper killing an American soldier to the Second Lady…and their domestic “news coverage” is nothing more than 24/7 Democrat campaign ads and Bush hating.
Murtha isn’t speaking “truthiness to power”–he’s directly tried to subvert the American war effort in the middle of the war.
I find it hard to believe that he ever served in the Marines of this country–I want proof!

And when I think polls, I think HillBillary.
Because he & she governed and lived completely by polls. “Will they impeach me today? (They won’t because the polls say we’re too popular.) Should Bill get a dog? Where should we go on vacation?”

and “The poll was reported by thinkprogress, not implemented by them.”

Thinkprogress, in typical leftist fashion cherry picked what supported it’s position from PIPA’s poll and leaves out the whole story.

In the actual PIPA poll, the percentage of Iraqis who think Iraq is heading in the right direction has been essentially unchanged FOR THE LAST 2 1/2 YEARS! It goes up and it goes down over time but remains hovering at around 50% and has been since April 2004.

Do the Iraqis approve of the US led invasion? From the Iraq Index from the Brookings Institution:

“QUESTION TO IRAQIS: THINKING ABOUT ANY HARDSHIPS YOU MIGHT HAVE SUFFERED SINCE THE US-BRITAIN INVASION, DO YOU PERSONALLY THINK THAT OUSTING SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS WORTH
IT OR NOT? (chart shows those who responded “worth it”).”

Overall 77% of Iraqis agree that the invason was worth it, broken down as 91% Kurds, 98% Shia, and (not surprisingly) 13% Sunni [http://www.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf p. 51]]

Do the Iraqis want America out? OF COURSE THEY DO. But only after the security environment is stable and their military and police can maintain the peace (75% of all Iraqis agree the security situation is poor).

The poll was reported by thinkprogress, not implemented by them. But then again, all you need to know is it doesn’t support your POV, right?

Such nonsense.

honora on October 30, 2006 at 1:56 PM

There’s honora again, pointing at the leaf, ignoring the trees, missing the entire forest.

And by the way, it had nothing to do with my POINT OF VIEW. I know you libs deal in abstracts and nuance, what somebody thinks to be true or what you project on them to be true, but that won’t play here Homey.

Someone’s description, who was in Iraq, of the events taking place and the attitude of it’s citizens is not a POINT OF VIEW. It’s factual. Not mine, but a brave soldier who’s been there fighting the fight, putting his life on the line even for the likes of head-in-the-sand liberals like you.

Facts got in your way. Deal with it.

Murtha’s first and most important “big crime” is to call his fellow Marines murderers without benefit of trial. That’s prohibited by the Constitution, BTW. Look up “Bill of Attainder.”

His second big crime is to SABOTAGE THE WAR FOR PARTISAN POLITICAL ADVANTAGE.

Honora also wrote: “What I get is the same old same old: this war is being won but the country doesn’t think so because of the evil MSM who by the way we are setting up to blame in case we don’t win the war.”

Why act surprised?

It’s not the first time it happened. The leftwing media reported the communist ‘68 Tet offensive to be a victory for the communists, when it was a major defeat for North Vietnam and resulted in over 50,000 NVA troops killed, over half of those committed, and the complete destruction of their insurgent arm, the Viet Cong.

No army in history has survived such battlefield losses, but Biap and Ho Chi Minh were trading the lives of their troops for critical coverage in the American media. What the Marines won on the hills around Khe Sanh, the New York Times and CBS took away in the homes of Americans.

Larry Schweikart, America’s Victories: Why the U.S. Wins wars and Will Win the War on Terror, Penguin Book, 2006, p. 35.

Embeded reporter Michael Fumento wrote about Vietnam and Iraq:

Vietnam was the first war to give us reporting in virtually real time. Iraq is the first to give us virtual reporting. http://www.fumento.com/military/brigade.html

And, in this war, the media is up to its old tricks. What he calls “virtual reportins” is simply the media telling lies.

Not only does the media deliberately and willfully broadcast enemy video propaganda (CNN, AP), but they OVERTLY LIE AND DISTORT the truth about Iraq. Fumento again:

Then there’s the dreaded “Highway of Death.” Here’s Ghosh again, picking up after his horrific corkscrew description. “But the relief is temporary; most of us still have to negotiate the Highway of Death,” he writes. “There have been hundreds of insurgent and terrorist attacks along its length since the U.S. military established its largest Iraqi base, Camp Victory, next to the airport three years ago….

…In fact, only reporters call it “The Highway of Death.” To everyone else it’s Route Irish, named after the Fighting Irish of Notre Dame (and not after an infantry regiment with strong Irish roots, as is widely believed).

Route Irish, in the words of US soldiers who patrol it, “…is definitely not the most dangerous road in Iraq any longer, and everyone who uses it knows it.”

And there is the “infamous” Green Zone (aka, the International Zone or IZ). Fumento again:

Nor have the grotesque exaggerations of the dangers of the IZ gone unnoticed by soldiers and their loved ones. “Dear Chain-smoking, Unwitting Stooges,” military blogger Jason Van Steenwyk began an open letter to the Baghdad press corps. “So how come we can get mortared several times a week out here and it never makes the news, but the pogues [rear-echelon soldiers] in the Green Zone can catch three measly mortar rounds and I get my dad emailing me asking why the Baghdad press corps is covering it like it’s the second Tet Offensive?”….

…In any case, no reporter has been killed or injured inside the IZ.

One of Michelle’s blog entries describes the SNIPING DEATH of a US Marine Captain killed by a sniper in Anbar province. I can’t help but wonder if America saw Robert M. Secher of the 3rd Battalion, 12th Marine Regiment, 3rd Marine Division, 3rd Marine Expeditionary Force, DIE ON CNN.

What a comfort for his family….

Michelle also reports AP’s KNOWING AND WILLING EMPLOYMENT of Al Qaeda terrorists as reporters and photographers, who feed enemy propaganda directly to America’s media via the AP.

The fact that Al Qaeda is using the media as their propaganda arm is no secret. Even Reuters openly acknowledges it.

And, America’s anti-war, anti-Bush media happily complies.

And when the media isn’t acting as Al Qaeda’s whores, they are OPENLY working to sabotage the war here at home. The New York Times deliberately exposed LEGAL and SECRET programs to track Al Qaeda terrorists, acts akin to treason. Ditto, the Washington Post.

And, to show their approval in weakening America, their media brethern award them Pulitizer’s.

Unless Americans go beyond the leftwing media for the news, all America knows of the war on terror are enemy propaganda masquerading as “news” and biased, slanted, LIES told by a self serving bunch of leftist reporters and editors whose bias even THEY don’t deny any longer.

And the fact is, Honora, the war is being won. Nothing that the traitor-left in and out of the media changes this fact.

Two words……….Pol Pot

Exactly!