Here is part 2 of Michelle Malkin\’s interview with Mark Steyn. He calls CNN\’s broadcast of Jihadi sniper video \”wickedness.\”…

I think Michelle has given wings to MKH who is also hugely enjoyable and growing better with each installment of her HamNation … Ladies, I tip my hat and say superbly done!

70% of all pregnancies in Russia end in abortion.

WTF.

I give you what was edited out of the interview……

A very entertaining interview at Hot Air…….

An Enlightenment would mean that humane interests trump supernatural dogmas. And, when the words of the “prophet” (who was illiterate) are plainly self-destructive, hateful or irrational, then modern skeptical-analytical thought would demote them to “historical curiousity” status.

Jesus rendered the paralyzed Orthodox Jewish rituals (”kosher” foods; or miltantly “doing nothing on the Sabbath”) ultimately and self-evidently meaningless with simple appeals to human decency and common sense. And did it with great wit. (”It is not what go into a person’s mouth, but what comes out of it, that makes them ‘unclean‘, etc.) Thus, his example allowed the Western Enlightenment’s minds to use his precedent to foster new understandings of petrified dogmas in the Biblical story.

Islam accepts “Isa” (Jesus) as a prophet, but they expurgated (or did not know) 99% of what he said from their ‘bible’ (the al-Qur’an). A Muslim Enlightenment would have to reinstate “Isa”/Jesus’ influence upon Islamic thought if they are to have any chance at overthrowing the murderously retrograde thinking of Mohammad and his current literalistic followers.

If Muslims fail to temper the homicidal jihadist vein within their creed, all of their veins will be opened in this growing Imperialistic Islamic War against Freedom-loving Humanity.

The rest of the world may take a long time to strike back against this rising, intolerant theocratic tyranny, but once they do, Muslims will regret having failed to rein-in their fundamentalist maniacs.

The Koran must be Transformed, not reformed. And Enlightened Muslims must do it. Or have the apocalytic wrath of those (who they now harm with their faith’s militant jihadism) rain down on their heads with all of the brutal ingenuity of modern science and primordial fury of ancient animal anger.

I wish them Illumination, not Incineration.

It is their fateful choice.

Unfortunately.

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How to accomplish this is the dilemma. Our society often affords extremists free speech protection and we seem to be drawing them in, rather than expelling them. I’ll be interested to learn how your plan develops with specific measures.

You are absolutely right, we are discussing change and not reform. I believe you are also correct in assuming that a large portion of the Muslim population breaking away to start a new, although related, religion on a worldwide scale is not likely. I also believe you are correct that ANY chance of reform is highly unlikely in the Middle East or Africa at this time.

The conditions for such an “Islamic Reformation” to develop, I believe, could only be created in the United States. Europe does not have the courage, the police technology, the will, the backbone, or ability to host such a movement. I believe that anywhere else in the world the Islamofacist would destroy, kill, or intimidate to such a degree that positive “reformation”, or “change” would not be possible.

I think the concept of an “Islamic Reformation” could attract enough support to become significant if those that developed such modified Islamic doctrine were pure in motive and intelligent enough to understand what to keep and what to change. Islam does have many good things to be said about it’s doctrine but this is overshadowed by so much evil, so much directive to impose harm on others, to dominate, to deny others not in a position of privilege even basic elements of human development.

There are many who believe that “Love is the most powerful force in the Universe”. Islamic doctrine in it’s current form is not consistent with that force for obvious reasons. Those of pure motive, pure heart, those truly Good and God Fearing Muslims that believe in this power have the ability to make changes to basic Islamic Doctrine. Such “Moderate” Muslims that are capable of “change” or “reform” can make a tremendous contribution to the world, the Islamic belief system, and make a significant contribution to World Peace.

This “Islamic Reformation” does not have to sway huge numbers of Muslims in the short term, although it just might. It might achieve this change in doctrine because it makes sense, and because Love really is the most powerful force in the universe that transcends all language and culture.

It is possible that such a movement could begin here, in the Untied States, if the conditions were prepared in such a way to allow for freedom of expression in a faith, that at present, is oppressed by the Islamofacist in a barbaric way that can accurately be compared to the Gestapo.

Why are we hearing this from a the daughter of Filipino immigrants and a Canadian with a funny accent? Where are the descendants of the Mayflower?

I fully recognize that what we have just seen is one of the great strengths of immigration. But is America at its long-serving core lost? Have we WASPs of long standing deserted ourselves? I guess this depressed me a bit just by its format… I need a hug.

Those that would advocate “change” to the doctrine of Islam and propose an “Islamic Reformation” would inevitably be subjected to threats, intimidation, and be harmed or killed if the Islamofacist had a chance. Aggressive enforcement of the law by Federal and State authorities would move to provide the security requisite for such ideas to be voiced and for an Islamic Reformation to begin. In previous post I have mentioned the methods used by the Islamofacist to silence opposition. The security I speak of would have to be a deliberate and determined effort to keep those that would start, and participate in, such an “Islamic Reformation” safe and reasonable free from fear by knowing that the United States Government is deadly serious about enforcing it’s laws on it’s own soil.

A side benefit, at least for me, would be the satisfaction of knowing that the Islamofacist who exposed themselves by voicing such threats or attempting such violence, by expressing their hate for anything other than those with their own beliefs, would be hunted unmercifully by Federal and State Authorities. For some reason it makes me smile to think that the Islamofacist would feel the fear they try instill, to know what it is to be hunted for crimes they commit, to feel the only thing they relate to is truly being applied to their detriment: Power and the willingness to use it.

Kevin, I am not advocating enforcement of free speech laws as much as enforcement of those laws in the United States that protect people from harm and fear, and the additional penalties prescribed to those that initiate such crimes based on hate.

I do not have any examples, these are all new ideas at the moment. The concept is that Federal and State authorities would deliberately protect and monitor the safety of those engaged in an “Islamic Reformation” because of the high risk of such activity. How it would work is coordination between those that seek protection from persecution from the Islamofacist, and being allowed to develop their ideas, their “Islamic Reformation” for lack of a better term, and with close protection and monitoring to insure their safety.

Islam should be allowed to be practiced here (in the USA, or even the West) as its “total way of life” is diametrically opposed to our society and culture.

Islam is totally political, and the religious part is used to justify total domination by Muslims. Muhammad did not allow questioning of his rule.

I agree with your premise that there are good and decent Muslims. I just think they are overwhelmingly more inclined to protect and gently distance themselves from the radicals, rather than confront and reform them. Of course, even beyond religious idealogy, there’s also a great deal of politics attached to Islam. For example, I don’t often hear of Muslims who are pro-Israel.

Discussing and investigating Islamic Reformation is good, and while I may be pessimistic, I don’t want to discourage efforts in that vein.

To question the Koran (Quran) is question Allah and risk damnation; the same for Muhammad.

The following is a piece of a debate of Ali Sina’s:

First of all disbelief does not need evidence, it is the one who makes a claim that has to provide the evidence. People don’t need evidence to say Muhammad is a liar. Those who believe in him and want to shove it to other’s throats that have to show the proof. Secondly, I am afraid you are engaging in the fallacy of false dilemma. You bring one unproven and unsubstantiated claim such as human limbs acquiring a mouth and testifying against themselves to prove that it is easy for animals to talk. This is like saying since 1+1= 7, then 2+2=13. Shouldn’t you first prove the claim that human limbs testify against themselves before you use it as evidence to prove animals can also talk?

This is the whole problem with Islamic thinking. We accept one fallacy and since we have surrendered our intelligence and became believers we accept any absurdity afterwards. Let me quote three paragraphs from my upcoming book.

When Muhammad recounted his tale of ascending to the seventh heaven, Abu Bakr was stunned. He did not know what to make of this. This sounded utterly mad. He had two choices. He had to either admit that Muhammad was a loony and leave him or believe in his fantastical tales. There was no middle ground.

Ibn Ishaq says when Muhammad made his vision known, “many Muslims gave up their faith, some went to Abu Bakr and said, ‘What do you think of your friend? He alleges that he went to Jerusalem last night and prayed there, and came back to Mecca!’ He replied that they were lying about the apostle, but they said that he was in the mosque at that very moment, telling people about it. Abu Bakr said, ‘If he says so, then it is true. And what is so surprising in that? He tells me that communications from Allah, from heaven to earth, come to him in an hour of a day or night, and I believe him, and that is more extraordinary than that at which you boggle!’”

The logic is flawless. Basically what Abu Bakr was saying is that once you give up your rational faculty and believe in an absurdity, you might as well believe in anything. Once you let yourself to be fooled, then you should be prepared to be fooled again and again because there is no end to foolishness. How many people would let a 54 year old man sleep with their 9 year old daughter? Such thing requires extreme foolishness. This much foolishness, that you erroneously call “sincerity” is only possible through blind faith.

Hot Air has the second part to the Mark Steyn interview up. I’m really enjoying the book America Alone as……