Audio: Webb responds to Smutgate charges on WaPo radio

posted at 12:31 pm on October 27, 2006 by Allahpundit

Highlights from the Politics Program with Mark Plotkin. I speculated last night that the pedo passage might have been inspired by some obscure cultural practice Webb observed while he lived in southeast Asia. According to him, that’s exactly what it was.

The clip is edited, but fairly represents what he said. I had to cut the bit after Webb called Plotkin’s reading of one sex scene on air “inappropriate.” Plotkin replied that he simply wanted to give Webb a chance to explain why he includes these scenes in his books. Webb accepted that.

E.M. read the CNS article and thinks Webb dug himself a bigger hole. Having listened to it, I think he dug himself out. Judge for yourself.

Update: Pathetic.

Update: 49-48 with two and a half weeks to go.

Update: Rob Port points to online evidence that yes indeed, this odd custom is practiced in south Asia.

Update: It’s getting dumber

Update: Jon Henke of Allen HQ reminds us that the Dems — and the Olberdouche — were taking a very different line when Scooter Libby’s novel came out. Surprise.

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Mark Furman was trashed by media for using N word in a screenplay he wrote long before OJ case. He was branded a racist and accused of planting evidence by the same media pukes that are rallying to Webb over much more vile writing. Typical double standard on display again.

roninacreage on October 27, 2006 at 12:37 PM


He defended his fiction as “illuminative.”

“It’s not a sexual act,” Webb told Plotkin regarding the “Lost Soldiers” excerpt. “I actually saw this happen in a slum in Bangkok when I was there as a journalist.”

Illuminative indeed as it shows what he sees as fit to write about, and you have to love how he is trying to redefine sex. Would he do that in America? How liberal of him! Hahaha…

DannoJyd on October 27, 2006 at 12:42 PM

I do not want Webb as a U.S. Senator.

But…

Allen camp should have left this alone. This is Jerry Springer crap. It will put a hole in his boat.

Limerick on October 27, 2006 at 12:43 PM

I don’t think it’s a huge deal, considering it was put in a novel he wrote, but the double standard has me nausiated.

I’d rather our party didn’t turn into theirs, but still…

Esthier on October 27, 2006 at 12:44 PM

Clearly, Webb and Bill Clinton went to the same school of ethics and morality.
Guess that’s why he’s so comfortable with the Democrat Party where no pervert, deviant, or rapist is unwelcome!
Dems–the party of the Big Tent made out of rubber gloves and condoms.
Bring soap.

Jen the Neocon on October 27, 2006 at 12:46 PM

I laughed out loud when the “Evil Karl” defense was invoked.

“This was a Karl Rove campaign.”
“This was a Karl Rove campaign.”
“This was a Karl Rove campaing.”

I though he’d definately dug himself out of a hole I’m sure hhe saw coming, but at the invoking of the “Evil Karl” defense, I just lost it.

Is there anything, I mean ANYTHING, our beloved little Karl can’t do? I’m ready to start putting up Karl against Chuck Norris.

–Jason

Jason Coleman on October 27, 2006 at 12:46 PM

So, he said he saw a man in Bangkok place his lips on his supposed son’s penis… (perhaps in a gesture of kissing).

Then why, I ask, does the passage in Webb’s book state a man putting his son’s penis into his mouth?

Enoxo on October 27, 2006 at 12:47 PM

“James Webb’s new novel paints a portrait of a modern Vietnam charged with hopes for the future but haunted by the ghosts of its war-torn past. It captures well the lingering scars of the war, and exposes the tension between the dynamism of a new generation and the invisible bondage of an older generation for whom wartime allegiances, and animosities, are rendered no less vivid by the passage of time. A novel of revenge and redemption that tells us much about both where Vietnam is headed and where it has been.”
Senator John McCain

Squirrels must be juggling knives in Webb’s head to receive accolades from this guy.

Valiant on October 27, 2006 at 12:54 PM

‘I don’t think that it’s appropriate for you to read…’ because it puts me in the light of being a weirdo porn writer… ‘It’s a tactic of Rove to go after this kind of stuff‘??? The idiot perv wrote this, and then gets all huffy when some one calls him on it during a political campaign. Come on dude… You need to smell your self here, cause you laid it, no one else.

RalphyBoy on October 27, 2006 at 1:01 PM

some obscure cultural practice

Maybe, it is. However, Mohamemd taking a child bride is an obscure cultural practice and yet we condemn it because it is wrong. Sucking off your kid is wrong. Did Webb condemn it in his book? Or, did he just include it for shock value? If, so, it’s wrong.

EF on October 27, 2006 at 1:04 PM

EF, that’s been my point all along.

CBarker on October 27, 2006 at 1:10 PM

L-L-Let me explain…

x95b10 on October 27, 2006 at 1:11 PM

Allen camp should have left this alone. This is Jerry Springer crap. It will put a hole in his boat.

Limerick on October 27, 2006 at 12:43 PM

I agree. However, Allen’s character has been called into question and he had no choice but to put Webb’s out there for everybody to see. The race stopped being about the issues the day the MSM and libs ran with Allen’s now famous “slur”.

Rick on October 27, 2006 at 1:14 PM

Allah,

You are an intellectual, a political avant gard, Virginia just probably doesnt want to vote for someone who makes money describing things like this, mishandling tailhook, writing that we should close the academies to women or just close them altogether and generally being a nutcase.

Wonder if Larry Sabato is slinking behind his desk after miraculously remembering college conversations from the 60′s but forgot to mention that Webb is a porn writer….

EricPWJohnson on October 27, 2006 at 1:14 PM

Update: Rob Port points to online evidence that yes indeed, this odd custom is practiced in south Asia.

Note though that the article goes on to say that it never occurs after 2 YO, and the book states the boy was 4 did it not?

E5infantry on October 27, 2006 at 1:18 PM

Nope, looks like I read it wrong. Still creepy.

E5infantry on October 27, 2006 at 1:20 PM

Geez, look what this whole thing degraded to, from the behavior or thoughts of the writer to the discusion of the behavior. Doesn’t matter if it is norm somewhere, it is not Normal here in the USA or even to think about it here in the USA. People can write about the custom but he was not an anthropologist or anthropology writer.

StuLongIsland on October 27, 2006 at 1:20 PM

Among the excerpts is a scene from the 2002 novel “Lost Soldiers,” in which a man embraces his four-year-old son and places the boy’s penis in his mouth

Actually, I rescind my rescision.

E5infantry on October 27, 2006 at 1:21 PM

If everyone is going to get judged for anything they depicted in fiction, I’m never going to be able to mount my 2016 Presidential run.

“Boo!” to Allen for making this silly attack. That’s what surrogates are for. Webb should counter with ads that contain hidden messages that remind people that Allen is black.

frankj on October 27, 2006 at 1:22 PM

I agree. However, Allen’s character has been called into question and he had no choice but to put Webb’s out there for everybody to see. The race stopped being about the issues the day the MSM and libs ran with Allen’s now famous “slur”.

Rick on October 27, 2006 at 1:14 PM

Bingo. I would just add that the MSM pimped the Foley scandal on behalf of democrats as well and thus did even more to take the entirety of this campaign away from issues and towards who could come up with the best dirt on the other.

Bottom line is that when you enter the arena of politics, whatever you’ve said or done in the past can be used against you, and certainly will be when you run a campaign the way democrats, and Webb in particular, have run theirs.

thirteen28 on October 27, 2006 at 1:28 PM

Bottom line is that when you enter the arena of politics, whatever you’ve said or done in the past can be used against you, and certainly will be when you run a campaign the way democrats, and Webb in particular, have run theirs.

We seem to come around again, to the Michael J Fox issue, same thing. He jumped in the arena, and now has to defend his issue. Bet he never thought this would go further than it did.

StuLongIsland on October 27, 2006 at 1:32 PM

BTW, EM, your post was dead on with this:

Granted, George Allen is toast as well, when it comes to a Presidential campaign. Usually, you hold your dirty laundry airing and October surprises until you’re involved in the Big Mother of all campaigns, and even then, you use 527s to do the work for you. There’s no pretending, any longer, that dirty politics isn’t part of the digital age, or that Republicans can stay out of the mud. We did that once. Robert Bork’s name moved into the “verb” category because of it. When the Washington Post is making front page stories out of your high school antics, as related by Democratic activists dug out of the wilds of Virginia, you’re going to have to launch some sort of offensive. Granted, this isn’t okay in any ethical sense, but until theres an agreement that people aren’t going to Googlebomb you out of existence or follow you around with a cameraphone and a YouTube password, you’re going to have to learn to have a little fun with spin.

thirteen28 on October 27, 2006 at 1:34 PM

Webb and his campaign thought it was OK to use the “Macaca” attack and the ploy of “outing” Allen as a Jew, as if that were a bad thing.
His smutty novels are fair game.
Vietnamese custom or not (BTW, out of all the thousands of men we had in SE Asia, how come Webb is the only freak who supposedly “saw” this practice?),
this guy’s a sick puppy.
IMO, if he thought about it, he’s probably done it.
Did you know his wife’s Vietnamese, NTTWRT, but I’m sure her cultural upbringing gives her that female subservience to her man that he supposedly digs.

Jen the Neocon on October 27, 2006 at 1:40 PM

“Boo!” to Allen for making this silly attack. That’s what surrogates are for.

That’s the same logic Michelle uses and I don’t buy it. Either it’s ok, or it’s not – there is no area where “it’s ok as long as his surrogates do it.” That’s like saying it’s ok for a mob boss to have one of his underlings whack a member of a rival gang, but it’s not ok if he performs said whacking itself.

thirteen28 on October 27, 2006 at 1:49 PM

What? Even if he did “see” that in a slum of Bangkok, that doesn’t make it normal Thai behavior! He’s not “illuminating cultures”. That’s racist!

Free Kurdistan on October 27, 2006 at 1:54 PM

Webb should counter with ads that contain hidden messages that remind people that Allen is black.

A black Jew? That’ll put the voters in a tizzy.

Anyway, I’m willing to accept that Webb saw this practice, and thought that it was more than it actually was and misrepresented it. I’m not expecting him to understand South Asian culture, particularly strange stuff like this.

However two relevant questions still remain.

1. Why in the hell did he write it?
2. In it’s context, does he explain it as a local custom?

Keljeck on October 27, 2006 at 1:55 PM

That’s the same logic Michelle uses and I don’t buy it. Either it’s ok, or it’s not – there is no area where “it’s ok as long as his surrogates do it.” That’s like saying it’s ok for a mob boss to have one of his underlings whack a member of a rival gang, but it’s not ok if he performs said whacking itself.

I don’t really care about what’s logical at this point; the Allen/Webb race is pretty much the most moronic spectacle of a campaign out there right now, and I’m just following it now for entertainment value.

frankj on October 27, 2006 at 1:59 PM

You point out many questionable passages written by your challenger and that makes you the bad guy?

The people of Virginia have every right to know what’s in Webb’s novels, especially since he uses his writing credentials as part of his campaign. If we had a fair and unbiased media, they would have exposed these passages and asked him to explain them. If Webb was running as a Republican, that’s exactly what they would have happened. Can anybody honestly deny that?

Unfortunately, if you’re a Republican, you actually have to do the media’s job for them if you expect people to be fully informed. It’s up to the people of Virginia to decide if it’s important.

TheBigOldDog on October 27, 2006 at 2:00 PM

Could that “slum of Bangkok” be the red-light district perhaps? And how much did this sicko pay to see it?

Free Kurdistan on October 27, 2006 at 2:07 PM

BigOldDog, of course people have the right to know what’s in his books. But that’s the sort of thing that could be brought up in a rational debate over the course of the campaign. To try to make an October Surprise out of it… that’s just embarrasing to me.

I agree that Allen looks foolish. I am giong to be uber-pissed if we lose that seat because of this. He was up, man.

DaveS on October 27, 2006 at 2:07 PM

Webb proved his loyalty to the Kennedy/Kerry/Klute camp two years ago and that’s all I need to know about him. I hope they have pictures of him with a male Bangkok prostitute stowed away to release next week.

bdfaith on October 27, 2006 at 2:15 PM

Hmmmm…..not a sexual act. It was an Asian custom.

Too bad Bill Clinton didn’t come up with that one.

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GT on October 27, 2006 at 2:33 PM

“Some of your writings are very disturbing for a candidate hoping to represent the families of Virginians in the U.S. Senate and do not help the cause of combating the sexual exploitation crimes against children.

I would disagree with this statement. Having read all of Webb’s books I think he makes a very good point in combating the sexual exploitation crimes against children. He portrays these acts in a repugnant manner.

I find this entire thread to be repugnant. We have scores of voices that have never read a single word written by this man chiming in on what a pervert he is.

To this I say, you are all ignorant fools willing to jump on an issue with not so much as a hand full of facts. So, the Allen campaign has taken the most salicious sentences out of a body of work that encompasses over 4 books and thrown it out to you as red meat. Never mind the context, this guy wrote of something that our culture finds repugnant, let’s pile on!!!

You would all do yourselves a big favor by reading “A Sense of Honor”, “Fields of Fire”, and “Something to Die For”. I think you would find that Mr. Webb’s point of view is rather “Republican” in these novels.

Having said that, I will say again that I would never vote for the man. However, condemning his writing based on a few carefully picked passages, presented out of context, does all of you a disservice.

Your reaction sounds kind of “Democrat” to me…

Babs on October 27, 2006 at 2:36 PM

Conservatives often complain that their candidates don’t have the willpower to run effective campaigns. They are too scared to offend liberals and get them upset. How many people were begging Allen to fight back after the “macaca” incident and stop playing defense?

Now the Allen campaign releases something I did not even know, and I’m a Virginia resident: James Webb is a porn writer, a great model for our children.

It amazing to me: Allen finally goes on offense and conservatives are whining. No, he should be a nice guy, let liberals make all the rules in campaigns and control the news cycle, not upset Democrats, and lose elections.

I can’t believe AP thinks James Webb’s explanation is reasonable. Yeah, James Webb was in the “slums” of Bangkok as a “journalist.” There are so many fascinating things to see in Bangkok: The Grand Palace, Jim Thompson’s House, boat tours on the river, canal tours, The Teak Palace, great department stores. But James Webb was in the “slums” red light district as a “journalist” sex tourist. Let’s hope nobody votes for this pervert after this news.

januarius on October 27, 2006 at 2:46 PM

IMO, if he thought about it, he’s probably done it.

Are you serious? I hope so, I’ve thought about having sex with Scarlett Johannsen many times, I guess I can start telling everybody I really did.

Anyway, of course this is fair game, anything is fair game now, but to assume that Webb is some kind of pervert or pedophile because he wrote a fictional account of an obscure Asian sex practice in a novel is obsurd. Comparing him to Foley is even more ridiculous…that’s like claiming bin Laden and Tom Clancy are moral equivilants because one is a terrorist and the other one writes fictional accounts about terrorists.

JaHerer22 on October 27, 2006 at 2:47 PM

I am from VA and will be voting for Allen. He is strong on the issues that matter to me – national security, immigration, marriage being between a man and a woman. He isn’t as well spoken or polished as some pols, and that showed in his “Macaca” comment, which was idiotic and rude, and it showed again when the media jumped in his personal life on the Jewish issue. He should have taken it in stride, but it had to do with his mama and he allowed himself to lose his cool.

BUT, Jim Webb is a sicko. Screw that stuff about some sort of ancient custom. If you write about something like that in a modern book in a style that does not condemn it, you are pretty much condoning it. Read over books that have child abuse in them. Usually you are the child, feeling the pain. Often you cry, even for characters who don’t exist. Jim Webb was not condemning this act. I just watched by video his response, where Webb said it was not a sexual act. Not a sexual act? From who’s perspective?? Why, the father’s, of course. However, it happened on a sexual organ, so any children who may have actually lived through such a “custom” were no doubt just as screwed up as if the father received sexual gratification.

MM, Lynne Cheney may have written about lesbians and Libby may have written about sick sex like bestiality, but NEITHER OF THEM ARE RUNNING FOR OFFICE. All that your bringing Cheney & Libby up as comparison does is give the left yet another pass (at least, in their minds).

Sorry for the long post but this is personal to me. Allen is no longer a presidential contender, but he is my Senator and has been my Governor, and I sure hope he is representing me on Nov. 8. I am glad he fought fire with fire because I think this is going to change some Virginians’ minds about voting for Jim Webb.

eucher on October 27, 2006 at 2:56 PM

Jahere, this isn’t fantasizing about a person but about what you’re doing what that person…chances are when you fantasize about Scarlett, you do the same things to her in your imagination that you do with and to your real life partner.
Do you fantasize about fellating your son?
I dare say not.
Sex with children is one thing, but sex with your own children is one step even lower. You’d better blame it on Vietnamese customs you observed.
(Why let Americans know about it? What’s the good?)
Lock up the kids and keep this deviant out of the Senate.
It does show that free speech lives in the U.S., though–he writes this filth and people pay money to read it. Go figure.
As others have said, what he writes is revolting and is really bad prose in the bargain.

Jen the Neocon on October 27, 2006 at 2:59 PM

I’m so confused. For years, I’ve been suffering under the illusion that I knew what sex was.

ahem on October 27, 2006 at 3:25 PM

I’m so confused. For years, I’ve been suffering under the illusion that I knew what sex was.

Clinton changed the definition.

I have been proposing an Amendment to the US Constitution called the “Definition Amendment.” In there, we’ll define all the things we used to know the meaning of, like marriage, sex, the meaning of “is,” etc. That should help clear up all the confusion.

TheBigOldDog on October 27, 2006 at 3:35 PM

Oh, i see, putting a 4 year old’s penis in your mouth is a disgusting act of pedophilia unless you happen to be cambodian, then it’s a “tradition”.

Scot on October 27, 2006 at 3:43 PM

Update: Rob Port points to online evidence that yes indeed, this odd custom is practiced in south Asia.

This very well may be, but Islam has an “odd custom” of beheading infidels, and we don’t excuse that. Female genital mutilation is a widespread practice in some African countries and could be considered an “odd custom,” but again…this is NOT accepted here at all. In fact, in Atlanta, there is currently a suspect who is being tried in criminal court accused of cutting off his 2-year-old daughter’s clitoris (female ‘circumcision’) with a pair of freakin’ scissors! It seems this is a “custom” in Ethiopia, where he is from.

I hate all the ugliness that’s being thrown around, but damnit, there comes a time when you have to quit lying down and taking it all the time. If Allen would have written those books, the democrats would be asking for his head on a stick, and the GOP would be demanding his resignation!

MsUnderestimated on October 27, 2006 at 4:06 PM

I can’t say that I know enough about Allen’s attack or Webb’s books to make a judgement. That being the case, I would be inclined to trust Michelle’s judgement on this one. The hallmark of MM is that she does her homework (she possesses very thorough investigative skills). If ANYBODY has all the facts, she the one most likely to have them.
That said, what might be of more interest to me is the demographics of Webb’s readership. Who buys his books? And how many copies has he sold? How much did people enjoy reading his books? Stop reading here if you don’t want to be offended. I worry about putting ANY politician into office that is masterful at “making stuff up.” If I discovered that Webb is a lousy writer, I’d be more inclined to vote for him. But if I found that he is really quite good at “making stuff up” I would be worried. I LIKE being able to “catch” the politicians when they are lying.

CyberCipher on October 27, 2006 at 4:12 PM

Betcha Webb won’t be picking up anymore babies to kiss out on the campaign trail.

Perchant on October 27, 2006 at 5:03 PM

Among other things.

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GT on October 27, 2006 at 5:23 PM

I agree with MM, but sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. The Dems are trying to win both houses of Congress by fighting dirty. Most of these races are not about the issues facing this country today – the Dems are pulling no punches. If Allen loses because of (far-fetched) allegations about his character, it is is flat-out wrong. Allen has been a stand-up guy his entire political career, until now? The truth is that Webb does have a questionable background – he doesn’t deny his comments about females – these excerpts in his books are a little strange – the guy doesn’t even know where he stands politically. The good people of Virginia don’t need someone like that representing them in the Senate.

Rick on October 27, 2006 at 6:34 PM

Muslims in Africa will pick up little baby boys and kiss their crotches. It is indeed a cultural thingy, that is not supported at all in Western culture for the problems such adult intimacy with child private parts later produces. The sections quoted indicate that these passages that Webbs claims are based on “observations” were written in a manner to tease the readers, not to educate them. It’s pretty simple; Webb wanted some kinky stuff to help sell his book. He was writing trashy novels. Fine, but they’re not the kind of novels a lot of people would buy, and such people would wonder about the character of an author who wrote such things, because they would believe that to write like that has a corrupting effect on the reader. It doesn’t help Webb’s case that SE Asia has a terrible problem with child prostitution, which is a sign of lack of boundries of the culture on adults and their relationships over children. Summary: Webb got served. He wrote it, Allen didn’t make it up and didn’t have to dig into Webb’s FBI file to find it, it’s all at your local library or bookstore.

naliaka on October 27, 2006 at 10:21 PM

I speculated last night that the pedo passage might have been inspired by some obscure cultural practice Webb observed while he lived in southeast Asia. According to him, that’s exactly what it was.

BULLCRAP! IF A DICK IS IN A MOUTH IT’S ABOUT SEX STUPID!

Might I remind the idiots out there falling for this load of bullshit that another Southeast Asian practice involves brothel sex with ten yr old Vietnamese girls, because this NON-FROWNED UPON practice occurs, should it then be grist for the mill?

My wife is from Laos, right next door to Vietnam, she’s never heard of anyone putting penises in their mouths in a non-sexual way. She says it’s a routine practice however, for grown men to buy 11yr old girls from their poor families, it’s also the rave to rape any young girl caught traveling alone and there’s virtually little or no penalty even if one is caught! Because bad or PERVERSE SHIT IS DONE BY people who are little more advanced than savages, does this merit replication, or fancification in fiction? What a bullshit argument. If you don’t think a dick in the mouth is sexual, if you even in any small way give credence to that bullshit argument, open wide and say, “Ahhhhhhh” and we’ll get back to you about your feelings on the NON SEXUAL nature of the event later.

Soothsayer on October 28, 2006 at 3:04 PM