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Video: Rumsfeld tells media to “back off” on Iraq timetable

posted at 7:32 pm on October 26, 2006 by Allahpundit
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WaPo’s leading with it and it’s been covered on Fox and CNN within the past hour. The full transcript’s here but the clip’s been edited for brevity. This question comes towards the very beginning.


Gerard Baker and Mort Kondracke take extreme opposite views of the war’s implications for the United States. Baker thinks we’ll shake it off; Kondracke thinks it could be worse than Vietnam. I tend towards the Kondracke view for this reason. No matter what happens in Iraq now, the jihadis have extracted so many pounds of flesh as to make the status quo look comparatively appealing to the rest of the region. The ship could conceivably be righted in Baghdad, but the “domino theory” is, in all likelihood, dead on arrival.


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Slimey Reporter: High casualties,benchmarks,quagmire…blah blah blah…..

Rummy: STFU

quax1 on October 26, 2006 at 7:43 PM

Go Rummy!

infidel on October 26, 2006 at 7:47 PM

Rumsfield is a ‘great’ peacetime Secretary of Defence.

Speakup on October 26, 2006 at 7:49 PM

Rummy sounded like my Dad just before he whooped my butt!……….Trumanesque in your face

Limerick on October 26, 2006 at 7:52 PM

“…..and then the ones we make earlier than we thought, we’ll never see them on the front page”

You got that right Rummie. Doom and gloom and despair only out of that bunch for the next two weeks.

That was like watching my 2nd grade teacher take control of the room. Calm down everybody and take a seat!

BacaDog on October 26, 2006 at 8:00 PM

Rumsfield: “Back off [or I'll have you all Gitmoed and you'll find yourselves mumbling "habeous corpus" through a wet rag, shakin' like a dog tryin' to pass a peach pit."]

There! You heard it! We live in fascist theocracy now. The camps are all being built for us. Kiss our democracy and constitution goodbye.n Rumsfeld clearly threatened our freedom of press.

(You know there is a DU or KOS thread somewhere that is sayin’ just the same.)

EFG on October 26, 2006 at 8:00 PM

shakin’ like a dog tryin’ to pass a peach pit.”

ROFL – never heard that one before EFG. Now I can’t get that picture out of my mind!

BacaDog on October 26, 2006 at 8:11 PM

He’s right! You’ll never see either the milestones or benchmarks that are successful on the front page. Just the one that don’t meet the timeline that the MSM keeps pushing.

The questions are loaded. The newsmaker answered his own question in the way it was asked.

Kini on October 26, 2006 at 8:11 PM

It’s always a pleasure to watch the Big Dog slap around the fifth columnists of the press. Did anybody watch “Why He Fights”, the FOX special that Bret Baier did on him? Good stuff. Among other things, I found out that he was a pilot in the Korean War. I’d never heard any mention of him being a veteran before.

ReubenJCogburn on October 26, 2006 at 8:13 PM

Reuben! You’re a genius!……..now we know why Lil Kim set off that nuke…..he was afraid Rummy was flying in!!!!!!!

Limerick on October 26, 2006 at 8:16 PM

I think that Tony Snow has had an impact on the public speaking of everyone in the White House.

Good response from Mr. Rumsfeld.

Of course, the MSM won’t show or print it.

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The Machine on October 26, 2006 at 8:17 PM

I can see the motion picture now….Rummy in the pilots seat, Gary Sinese co-pilot, Bruce Willis has his eye on the bomb sight, Rosie O’Donnell strapped up in the bomb-bay ready to drop………….run Lil Kim run!!!!!!!!!

Limerick on October 26, 2006 at 8:20 PM

I’ve also heard “shaking like a dog crapping a patch of pineapple skin”

quax1 on October 26, 2006 at 8:25 PM

The freedom domino freedom theory lives!
And if the WashedUpPost told me it was raining, I’d like at my shoes to see if they were peeing on them…then, I’d look outside to see a bright, sunny day.
Rummy is the Master and it looks like the Bush Dream Team have all gotten their mojo back.
Viva Bush and bring in the jihadi war slaves in chains to quiver and quake before Lords Rumsfeld, Cheney and GeorgeDubya.
“U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.”

Jen the Neocon on October 26, 2006 at 8:28 PM

I tend towards the Kondracke view

From Kondracke’s piece:

If the U.S. fails in Iraq, Bush and Rumsfeld will be to blame, just as President Lyndon Johnson and Defense Secretary Robert McNamara were, for grossly misjudging the difficulty of the task and the strength of U.S. will, as well as for mishandling the war, the diplomacy and the domestic politics.

I agree completely. Rumsfeld reminds me more and more of McNamara as time passes. Unfortunately it’s too late to replace him now. The end result of this war could get real ugly.

infidel4life on October 26, 2006 at 8:28 PM

I should probably just stop posting on Iraq, huh?

Yeah. Probably.

Allahpundit on October 26, 2006 at 8:30 PM

I should probably just stop posting on Iraq, huh?

Yeah. Probably.

Allahpundit on October 26, 2006 at 8:30 PM

Why?

Actually I think your analysis above is dead on.

infidel4life on October 26, 2006 at 8:37 PM

Yeah. I heard in WWII Rumsfield used a flame thrower in the Figi Islands.

sonnyspats1 on October 26, 2006 at 8:38 PM

(with apologies to Kool and the Gang)
I cain’t get enough.
Cain’t get enough.
Of that Rummy stuff …

Fogpig on October 26, 2006 at 8:39 PM

Reuben! You’re a genius!……..now we know why Lil Kim set off that nuke…..he was afraid Rummy was flying in!!!!!!!

Limerick on October 26, 2006 at 8:16 PM

Not something I get accused of often–it might have something to do with all the flatulence-based humor–so many thanks.

ReubenJCogburn on October 26, 2006 at 8:49 PM

shakin’ like a dog tryin’ to pass a peach pit.”

ROFL – never heard that one before EFG. Now I can’t get that picture out of my mind!

Ken Kesey, “Sometimes a Great Notion.” That is where I first read that expression, although he used the venacular: “…trying to sh*t a peach pit.” Very descriptive!

Mallard T. Drake on October 26, 2006 at 8:54 PM

I think democracy has a better shot than it appears. Never overlook the power of freedom, nor the desire to be free.
I don’t remember the exact numbers, but in the ’40’s there were about 15-20 democracies in the world, and now there are ..what is it, 150 democracies. Freedom thru democracy has a pretty strong pull on people.

shooter on October 26, 2006 at 8:55 PM

Yeah. I heard in WWII Rumsfield used a flame thrower in the Figi Islands.

He should bring it with him to these press conferences. Anytime they get out of line…WHOOOOOOOOOFFFFF!

RUMSFELD: Anybody ELSE gotta a smart-aleck question?!

:crickets chirping:

Lone Star on October 26, 2006 at 8:59 PM

Why?

Actually I think your analysis above is dead on.

Maybe I just won’t do posts about Rumsfeld. The comments invariably devolve into “you tell ‘em, Rummy!” shit.

Allahpundit on October 26, 2006 at 9:02 PM

“I should probably just stop posting on Iraq, huh?

Yeah. Probably.”

Two minutes of fame a Secretary of Defence does not make.

For victory whoya gonna call?
1-800-call-Colin (entails eating some crow)

or if no answer
1-800-call-Shwartzkof (entails some Muslim ass kicking)

if your thinking of hiring another Politician?
1-800-eat-sh@t (entails unconditional surrender)

Speakup on October 26, 2006 at 9:10 PM

Personally I think Rumsfeld’s tough talk is sounding pretty hollow considering the situation in Iraq.

infidel4life on October 26, 2006 at 9:11 PM

That last phone # was not intended to be a link.

Speakup on October 26, 2006 at 9:12 PM

I would remind Mort Kondracke that our troops have extracted quite a few pounds of flesh themselves. We were loosing about 1,600 troops per month in Vietnam and we have now been in Iraq for about 42 months. If we were loosing troops at the same rate in Iraq as we were in Vietnam, we would have lost more than 67,000 troops by now. But the fact is, we have only lost slightly over 3,000. That is a huge difference. I hate it when out guys get killed, but they are not dying in vain.

They are putting a major hurt on the terrorist forces and they are giving the people of Iraq a chance for freedom. This enemy is not going to stop until they are defeated or we are living under their rule. Americans should stop and think about that. Our troops are willing to do this job, they are not the ones complaining. We should stop all of our sniffing and support them and this war, and let them do their jobs. And send more troops if necessary, and it might be necessary.

Maxx on October 26, 2006 at 9:37 PM

We were loosing about 1,600 troops per month in Vietnam and we have now been in Iraq for about 42 months. If we were loosing troops at the same rate in Iraq as we were in Vietnam, we would have lost more than 67,000 troops by now. But the fact is, we have only lost slightly over 3,000. That is a huge difference. I hate it when out guys get killed, but they are not dying in vain.

Well rest assured that there is a Lancet study being conducted as we speak to prove that we’ve lost at least 67,000 troops if not a couple million. I suspect the study will be released next week.

And by the way, the reason we’re even losing people is because we’re trying to fight this thing too “nice”. Not to mention that it seems more and more like we’re actually fighting Iran.

RightWinged on October 26, 2006 at 10:42 PM

…good on ya, Maxx….

…Tet ‘68 was also pronounced a “US defeat”, although the Viet Cong were basically destroyed as an effective force during Tet, those pesky infiltrators never got beyond the lobby of the embassy in Saigon, and the whole banana left the Viets gasping. Still, we have that picture of that Viet general summarily executing that weeping VC on camera (there’s a story behind that one, by the way), and style always trumps substance in the MSM.

That leads one to wonder just how “screwed up” it is over in Iraq or Afganistan today. Considering that this part of the world has only ever been stable under folks like Saddam and Assad…it’s gotta be like trying to play cards in a tornado.

If there’d been a vote every day from 7 December ‘41 on, there’d've never been a surrender ceremony on the Missouri. Wars aren’t won by consensus. If they were, I’d vote for tac nukes….

War is chaos…the winners manage chaos better, and use it to their advantage more than their opponents. The press hates chaos. It throws off their deadlines.

Puritan1648 on October 26, 2006 at 10:42 PM

Maybe I just won’t do posts about Rumsfeld. The comments invariably devolve into “you tell ‘em, Rummy!” shit.

Allahpundit on October 26, 2006 at 9:02 PM

I take it you’re not a fan.

RightWinged is correct though. I think that the military should act like military and not like police.

- The Cat

MirCat on October 26, 2006 at 11:21 PM

Maybe I just won’t do posts about Rumsfeld. The comments invariably devolve into “you tell ‘em, Rummy!” shit.

i’m with you. it was a long road for me, but i came to understand finally that i was appreciating a secretary of defense for exhibiting the attribuutes i’d like to see in a mayor. he’s f’d it all up and he doesn’t even seem to want to consider his role in it seriously.

jummy on October 26, 2006 at 11:48 PM

I’m glad you’re not SecDef, Allah. You just don’t get it.

Rummy, even when he’s wrong, has the stones for the job.

Christoph on October 27, 2006 at 12:04 AM

If only he would fight the war as well as he does the press.

For not putting surveillance cameras in Abu Ghraib (as any self-respecting 7-11 has in scads) and for not -at the same time- forbidding personal cameras to be brought into Abu Ghraib, Rumsfeld’s tenure as Secretary of Defense was fatally compromised and shown to be the work of a Psy-ops amateur. He should have been replaced, then and there, with someone who understands that modern warfare is 51% (propaganda-istic) imagery.

We probably lost 1,000 more dead, unnecessarily, and gained a demonically-refreshed global jihadism thanks to that vacuous and asinine ‘little’ prison-rules “oversight”.

The buck supposedly stops at the top.

But, lately, it seems more like wooden nickels.

profitsbeard on October 27, 2006 at 12:09 AM

RightWinged is correct though. I think that the military should act like military and not like police.

- The Cat

MirCat on October 26, 2006 at 11:21 PM

Thanks The Cat, I’m glad I’m not crazy in my thinking here. The ONLY reason we’re “struggling” or whatever you want to call it is because we’re fighting a PC war. We’re being waaaaay to cautious with civilian casualties, etc. It’s certainly noble and I’m not opposed to the “vision” of it, but and I’m not expert, but I just don’t think that this is the way to fight a war. I think you pound the enemy in to submission. We’ll understand it eventually, but not before we’ve had some sort of WMD attack on our own soil and we grow a pair and deal with this the way it needs to be dealt with. Bush and anyone here can choose to say that Islam has been “hijacked” or “perverted” by a few “evil doers”, but I’m sorry… Islam is the root of the problem. PC? No. Right? I believe it’s quite clear. The only reason I have “long run” hope right now, is because I think that somehow we (America) will understand the score before the world looks like it did in the movie The Postman.

RightWinged on October 27, 2006 at 12:23 AM

Jeez Allah, we’re dying to see SOMEbody at the WH just come out and say this stuff. It kind of hurts to watch John Howard (for instance) displaying bigger verbal cojones than our own guys.

You don’t like it?

kate q on October 27, 2006 at 12:56 AM

I can’t say I’m entirely in line with the plan as it currently stands, but I have to say that I am usually impressed with Rumsfeld’s character and ability to speak publicly while getting his point across bluntly. I honestly believe that half the reason for calls to oust him are driven by his unwillingness to keep from rocking the boat.

Off topic link: Greenpeace was booted from MacExpo in London for disruption. Because obviously they’re so right they can do whatever they want to put their message in your face.

JoeEgo on October 27, 2006 at 1:50 AM

Profitsbeard wrote: “We probably lost 1,000 more dead, unnecessarily, and gained a demonically-refreshed global jihadism thanks to that vacuous and asinine ‘little’ prison-rules “oversight”.”

I respectfully disagree.

Arab society is male driven, macho, and male supremacist. It has been documented that the prisoners at Abu Gharib that were “abused” (i.e., humiliated — which I do not consider either torture or abuse) were mostly hard core insurgents and/or insurgent leaders. What the pictures did is show insurgents and their leaders, macho men who gained respect for fighting the American war machine, humilated by American women — who role in Arab society is supposed to be second class and servile.

These are the same people who kill their wives and daughters if they bring shame on their families. They are people who KILL RAPE VICTIMS for daring to survive to shame their families. They are the ones who order the genital mutilation of their women.

And here they are, led on leashes like dogs (an insulting term to an Arab) by WOMEN — second class citizens, and “infidel whores” to boot! Here they are photographed in HOMOSEXUAL poses.

They have been shamed. And the muslim world knows that they were shamed by AMERICANS — those craven cowards who cut and ran in Mogedishu, as bin Laden likes to remind his troops.

And the muslim world also knows that it was AMERICAN WOMAN — second class citizens, at best — who are powerful enough to humiliate an Iraqi insurgent leader.

Being killed in combat with the infidel gets them martydom. Being captured and not fighting to the death calls out questons about their courage or belief in Allah. Being captured, and being made to pose for cameras in humiliating poses — especially when women are dominating them — not only questions their courage but their fitness to lead. After all, who would want to follow men who let themselves appear to be sucking off other men in a homophobic society, or being led on a leash like a common dog.

These individual insurgents have lost all their power to command respect by NOT KILLING THEMSELVES or by not attacking the guards and being shot down in the process.

This didn’t “demonically refresh” the Jihad. It humiliated the LEADERSHIP of the Jihad in Iraq. Some of their best fighters got sidelined because of it.

And the same thing happened when Sgt. Leigh Ann Hester led a counter attack against insurgents attacking a truck convoy last year, causing the killing of 27 insurgents, wounding 6 and capturing 1.

Hester’s squad was shadowing a supply convoy March 20 when anti-Iraqi fighters ambushed the convoy. The squad moved to the side of the road, flanking the insurgents and cutting off their escape route. Hester led her team through the “kill zone” and into a flanking position, where she assaulted a trench line with grenades and M203 grenade-launcher rounds. She and Nein, her squad leader, then cleared two trenches, at which time she killed three insurgents with her rifle.

She was awarded the Silver Star.

Muslim men, killed by women warriors are not given the martydom treatment by the living. Why? They got BEATEN by women. They got KILLED by women. Infidel women, no less.

They’re not martyrs — they’re FAILURES who can’t even handle American women.

While we will never know with certainty, rather than cost an additional 1000 KIA, Abu Gharib and Sgt. Hester rocked the insurgency leadership back on their heels, and may have prevented US KIAs.

georgej on October 27, 2006 at 2:33 AM

This Mcnammara type who is totally unqualified and unresponsive owes the American people answers. He can take his arrogance and stick it up his………..

LZVandy on October 27, 2006 at 8:32 AM

Rumsfeld is part of a generation and ideal that is vanishing from the American landscape. He’s a class act and the losers who would like to see him fail are the true enemies of the Republic, boith in Islam and the Belt Way.

Hening on October 27, 2006 at 11:40 AM

Imagine the nerve of reporters challenging Rumsfeld. What with how well his predictions have held up so far. It’s lovely to set benchmarks, timetables etc. The problem is, there’s no “or else”. SSDD

The administration needs to learn a little bit about humility–when you have really f****d things up, maintaining an arrogant attitude only aggravates people, doesn’t change the fact you have f****d things up.

honora on October 27, 2006 at 4:53 PM

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