Aussie mufti to women: Stop making us rape you
posted at 6:01 pm on October 25, 2006 by Allahpundit
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That veil’s there for a reason, darlin’:
While not specifically referring to the rapes, brutal attacks on four women for which a group of young Lebanese men received long jail sentences, Sheik Hilali said there were women who “sway suggestively” and wore make-up and immodest dress … “and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and gives you 65 years”…
In the religious address on adultery to about 500 worshippers in Sydney last month, Sheik Hilali said: “If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it … whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?
“The uncovered meat is the problem.”
The sheik then said: “If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred.”
This is the senior-most Islamic cleric in Australia, mind you. I wonder, how did a member of the tiny minority of extremists rise to such prominence? Are Aussie Muslims disproportionately radical? Doesn’t sound like it — the article notes that his statements were roundly condemned.
Perhaps it’s a simple matter of the tiny minority not being as tiny as we thought. For more of which, spend some time with this. Wow.
And on the furthermost other end of the continuum — double wow.
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I just flunked a midterm, I really did poorly, i bombed it
and yet knowing there are morons like this wandering the fruited plains makes me feel somewhat better
Defector01 on October 25, 2006 at 6:02 PM
Which isn’t to say the sheikh’s wrong about everything:
Allahpundit on October 25, 2006 at 6:02 PM
Big deal. They should have shitcanned his ass.
Do you know if these women who were raped muslim women?
EF on October 25, 2006 at 6:04 PM
If they send him to prison and he get raped, will it be his own fault for not wearing a hijab?
frankj on October 25, 2006 at 6:07 PM
The sheik then said: “If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred.”…..
hear that Ms. Pelosi?…….
Limerick on October 25, 2006 at 6:08 PM
Wow, they truly are cowards and more than anything else, afraid of women. Makes me feel pretty powerful!
The LGF poll is enough to keep me up at night. Even if we could court the undecideds to our side, in most cases they would still not outnumber those decidedly against America, and decidedly into the “truther” mania. I guess it follows that Muslims would lean to the left, despite their hatred for gays and much of what the left has to offer…
NTWR on October 25, 2006 at 6:13 PM
Wow. What would Rosie O say?
Scotsman on October 25, 2006 at 6:13 PM
So maybe Rosie doen’t have anything to worry about?
bbz123 on October 25, 2006 at 6:15 PM
Woman equated to a piece of meat!?
No doubt the women’s movement will spring into action with resounding cries of “Male chauvinist pig!”
*crickets*
infidel4life on October 25, 2006 at 6:17 PM
As I remember the gang-rapists were taunting the victims with claims that the vicious crime was ‘doing it Leb-style’ clearly illustrating the crime was one of violence and domination and NOT of sexual urges run out of control.
The Mufti is re-victimizing those victims.
DANEgerus on October 25, 2006 at 6:21 PM
Other choice quotes from Hilali, per the article:
And, finally, from the end:
Even coming from a woman, all I can think is to translate this, “nothing to see here, move along, these aren’t the Islamists you’re looking for, etc”
JoeEgo on October 25, 2006 at 6:31 PM
RE: the first two quotes out of context
Hilali is speaking out both sides of his mouth. True Muslims don’t disrespect their women though women truly are just enticing pieces of meat, as told by the Prophet (BLAH).
JoeEgo on October 25, 2006 at 6:35 PM
LOL! Any guy ever burned thought that?!?!
; ‘ )
Sarcasm, Just one more service I offer.
VikingGoneWild on October 25, 2006 at 6:42 PM
So he is claiming to be no different and have no more self control then wild felines?
Resolute on October 25, 2006 at 6:44 PM
As a side note about the gang rape case mentioned, the rapists tried to use the “my culture made me do it” defense - luckily, the judicial system in Australia didn’t buy it.
SisterToldjah on October 25, 2006 at 6:46 PM
Oops - here’s the link I meant to insert in my last post.
SisterToldjah on October 25, 2006 at 6:48 PM
What this says, then, is that it is ok to rape a woman not in full burka/hijab, that it is to be expected under islam, and that the men are worse than animals. An animal does not choose to be an animal, it just is. Muslim men, apparently, choose to be animals. And they wonder why we aren’t buying that islam is a religion of peace?
JustTruth101 on October 25, 2006 at 6:50 PM
Wow. What would Rosie O say?
Scotsman on October 25, 2006 at 6:13 PM
“The uncovered meat is the problem.”
The sheik said
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Either I have a bad sense of humor or Ths Sheik does watch the “Veiw”
William Amos on October 25, 2006 at 6:51 PM
Bastards. If they can’t manage to behave like humans instead of animals, then the Aussies need to make rape a capital offense and thoroughly enforce it. And that sonovabitch mufti is just an enabler.
ReubenJCogburn on October 25, 2006 at 6:52 PM
About the poll of Muslims that NTWR put up showing Muslim overwhelmingly Democrats, and 55% of them calling the War on Terror a “War on Muslims,” can we call them Islamo-leftists now, instead of Islamo-fascists? The most hardcore Muslim terrorists endorse liberals and socialists, hardly “fascist” behavior.
The article that NTWR links to says there are between 3 million and 7 million Muslims in America. I’m curious: Why such a huge variance? Are there that many illegal Muslim immigrants in the country that they have no official record of?
Impressive, but sounds more like a public relations “jihad.” It just doesn’t jive with the polls. He lumps all Muslim-Americans together as being patriotic (all six million of them), yet we have polls by CAIR showing that 55% of Muslim-Americans think the War on Terror is a war on Muslims.
After Michelle Malkin’s interview with Mark Steyn, I’m convinced that Islam is completely incompatible with Western Civilization. There has to be a point where we stand up and say no more importation of anti-Israel and ant-Western civilization people.
januarius on October 25, 2006 at 6:57 PM
indeed. Color me apprehensive .., still that cat is saying exactly what the civilized world’s been waiting 5+ years to hear.
Wonder if his audience will hear it.
yo on October 25, 2006 at 6:59 PM
These are the muslims, in the poll, that are ‘muslims for a SAFER AMERICA’…imagine what the not so moderate, not so caring about ’safety in America’ would say.
This is quite bothersome.
Please close the borders.
And in ‘08 vote Tancredo.
shooter on October 25, 2006 at 7:11 PM
Uhh, no. The cats are the problem. I put meat out in the backyard all the time. Uncovered, too. It’s called a barbque. Those cats are a problem.
My rule? First time the cat tries something with the meat? He gets the shove.
Second time? He gets the hose.
Third time? I don’t know. Its never progressed past the second time. Soaking wet cats always run off to either hop the fence or hid under the bushes.
Just sayin’.
EFG on October 25, 2006 at 7:14 PM
There you have Islam in a nutshell. They regard man as nothing more than instinct-driven animals. Well, they sure act that way.
Lazarus on October 25, 2006 at 7:26 PM
Guys, were doin’ a lot of talking about that one POS. But the real news is at AP’s last link. It leads to the above title I quoted.
It’s got a Muslim American writting an article that sounds like a real Citizen with a captitol C.
He is the sort of guy that Daniel Pipes has been talking about for the last 5 years, saying that radical Islam is the problem and moderate Islam is the solution.
Check that article out. It is gooood reading. A sight for sore eyes.
EFG on October 25, 2006 at 7:26 PM
So. like a wild animal, a muslim man can not control his sexual urges. Does his pelvis thrust back and forth all by itself? Does he dry hump the first leg he sees? Vile creatures.
Tony737 on October 25, 2006 at 7:27 PM
Good thing they were Australia, if they were in Iran, they would have needed 16 witnesses./sarc / and sadly true.
I think the utter frankness of Sheik Hilali shows exactly where many muslims do stand on this horrible rape issue.
I’m fairly sure the ‘double wow’ linked statement is from 2002 as it states “last September 11th”. I too wish 6 million Muslims would stand up and say the same things, but since so few do say anything, we cant really know the numbers other than some of these polls.
But make no mistake, they are coming, the bad ones.
shooter on October 25, 2006 at 7:36 PM
LOL Tony!
And EFG is right. That’s a great article, and I hope we get many more like them. It would help to hear those sentiments from a “Senior Islamic Leader” but, when you risk losing your head, literally, for voicing that opinion, I can understand why few step forward.
I think the words you’re looking for are “psycho pussies.”
NTWR on October 25, 2006 at 7:38 PM
Leave my cat out of it. Her name? It’s Nurse Betty, no kidding.
shooter on October 25, 2006 at 7:39 PM
EFG, what is “radical Islam” and what is “moderate Islam?” Are the Muslims that chose the shiek (the most senior Islamic cleric in Australia) “moderates” or “radicals?” Check out the link NTWR puts up that states that 55% of American Muslims think the War on Terror is a War on Muslims. Are they of the “moderate” kind or the “radical” kind?
The Muslim from Nevada that AP links to with a “DoubleWow” has impressive commentary and seems too good to be true, but he states that ALL six million Muslims support what he has to say (at least he lumps them altogether and implies they, every one of them, support Americans). In Islam, it is perfectly okay to lie to infidels.
januarius on October 25, 2006 at 7:41 PM
In re-reading the statement, it is recent, not from 2002.
I was wrong. He states “Last September 11th…we were…paying tribute…”
shooter on October 25, 2006 at 7:48 PM
MEOW!
Well, I think it would depend on the particular cut of meat as to whether a cat would eat it. Is it a very tasty, lean cut? How old is it?
MEOW!
Lone Star on October 25, 2006 at 7:49 PM
Aren’t we men supposed to be dogs anyway?
Defector01 on October 25, 2006 at 8:12 PM
MEOW!
WOOF!
OINK!
Whatever.
Lone Star on October 25, 2006 at 8:15 PM
Radical Islam is that which seeks to dominate and rule the society that it finds itself in, through both violent and non-violent methods.
Moderate Islam is that which accepts and supports living in a secular state with a separation of church and state. Moderate Islam does not view non-believers as someone who is inherently inferior and subject to Dhimmi status and oppression. Moderate Islam does not seek to force Islamic and non-Islamic women alike to wear the burka or the niqab. Moderate Islam does not seek the death penalty for apostasy. Moderate Islam accepts the 1st ammendment right of freedom of speech, including that of satire and ridicule of religeous figures.
As you can see, this is a difficult task ahead of us. Which is why the last article is so good to see. Things like that need to be celebrated. Yeah, we trust, but verify, but we don’t want to let ramant cynicism keep us from seeing something precious that should be encouraged and helped.
But since you bring up the question of how do we tell what sort of Muslims some people are, allow me to present to you a list of questions that Dr. Daniel Pipes has put together for sussing out those who are attempting to pass as moderates, but are really radicals.
Useful questions might include:
Violence: Do you condone or condemn the Palestinians, Chechens, and Kashmiris who give up their lives to kill enemy civilians? Will you condemn by name as terrorist groups such organizations as Abu Sayyaf, Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya, Groupe Islamique Armée, Hamas, Harakat ul-Mujahidin, Hizbullah, Islamic Jihad, Jaish-e-Mohammed, Lashkar-e-Tayyiba, and al-Qaida?
Modernity: Should Muslim women have equal rights with men (for example, in inheritance shares or court testimony)? Is jihad, meaning a form of warfare, acceptable in today’s world? Do you accept the validity of other religions? Do Muslims have anything to learn from the West?
Secularism: Should non-Muslims enjoy completely equal civil rights with Muslims? May Muslims convert to other religions? May Muslim women marry non-Muslim men? Do you accept the laws of a majority non-Muslim government and unreservedly pledge allegiance to that government? Should the state impose religious observance, such as banning food service during Ramadan? When Islamic customs conflict with secular laws (e.g., covering the face for drivers’ license pictures), which should give way?
Islamic pluralism: Are Sufis and Shi’ites fully legitimate Muslims? Do you see Muslims who disagree with you as having fallen into unbelief? Is takfir (condemning fellow Muslims with whom one has disagreements as unbelievers) an acceptable practice?
Self-criticism: Do you accept the legitimacy of scholarly inquiry into the origins of Islam? Who was responsible for the 9/11 suicide hijackings?
Defense against militant Islam: Do you accept enhanced security measures to fight militant Islam, even if this means extra scrutiny of yourself (for example, at airline security)? Do you agree that institutions accused of funding terrorism should be shut down, or do you see this a symptom of bias?
Goals in the West: Do you accept that Western countries are majority-Christian and secular or do you seek to transform them into majority-Muslim countries ruled by Islamic law?
It is ideal if these questions are posed publicly - in the media or in front of an audience - thereby reducing the scope for dissimulation.
No single reply establishes a militant Islamic disposition (plenty of non-Muslim Europeans believe the Bush administration itself carried out the 9/11 attacks); and pretence is always a possibility, but these questions offer a good start to the vexing issue of separating enemy from friend.
Hope this helps.
EFG on October 25, 2006 at 8:19 PM
I don’t know–I thought we were supposed to be pigs. That’s what the Feminazis used to say, anyway. (But at least now they’ll be able to get married in New Jersey. Heh.)
ReubenJCogburn on October 25, 2006 at 8:22 PM
Probably ‘Thank You’
Wade on October 25, 2006 at 8:41 PM
I’m wondering what the 72 virgins wear in islamo-heaven? Do they have to wear burkahs head to toe? Are they allowed out of the heavenly house?
This islamic leader is just another hater in a world full of haters. This is the same reasoning as Biff in “Back to the Future.” “You didn’t tell me your car had a blind spot McFly!”
Mojave Mark on October 25, 2006 at 8:42 PM
And they call it Puppy Love.
These are the same scum who line up in front of windows & doors in the Amsterdam red light district. I think their idea of a “really good time” is slaughtering someone. Nothing gets their rocks off more than sheer insanity.
Coronagold on October 25, 2006 at 9:07 PM
When you have a society that doesn’t truly believe in the notion of “free will”, this is the sort of thinking you’re going to get.
If a woman is raped — Inshallah.
Purple Avenger on October 25, 2006 at 9:12 PM
No, it will be his own fault if he is not wearing a special islamic butt plug.
EF on October 25, 2006 at 9:14 PM
EFG- Thanks for the information.
januarius on October 25, 2006 at 9:18 PM
Ladies, please cover your meat.
Thank you,
The Management
Kralizec on October 25, 2006 at 9:35 PM
A “good” muslim is like an al qaeda terrorist.
A “moderate” muslim is like a hezbollah terrorist.
A “secular” muslim is like what we’d call an “Easter Catholic”.
By the way, when a muslim man sees too much ankle, does he get that little red lipstick woody that dogs get when they’re horny?
Tony737 on October 25, 2006 at 10:34 PM
What an Islamo-loathsome character.
Using his own ill-logic:
Stray ‘cats’ need to get neutered.
Stray imams should get deported. (Preferably by catapult… toward shark infested straits.)
Isn’t this speech, itself, a hate crime?
profitsbeard on October 25, 2006 at 11:04 PM
This is typical Muslim blame-shifting, which is a feature of Islam. More proof that Islam is the crocodile of religions which has not evolved a second since its inception. While the other religions have evolved into humane forms, Islam retains its reptilian character.
Tantor on October 26, 2006 at 3:23 AM
Allahpundit on October 25, 2006 at 6:02 PM
Only those who let them and/or those who need it, heh.
Did you get your ’sick’ wit from your mother or your father?
Entelechy on October 26, 2006 at 4:05 AM
I bet his wives just rave about him when they aren’t being flogged.
Islam…It’s a BLAST.
Black Adam on October 26, 2006 at 6:50 AM
hahaha this is why I love Hotair, you guys crack me up! Good analogy Mark. Use pop culture to explain things and even the libs might understand. “Ya wouldn’t want to fired would ya? WOULD YA?”
Tony737 on October 26, 2006 at 7:18 AM
EFG and Prophet, let’s do both, hose ‘em down AND neuter ‘em!
Thanks for the laughs, also to Mark, Adam and several others above.
Tony737 on October 26, 2006 at 7:27 AM
EFG: “Radical Islam is that which seeks to dominate and rule the society that it finds itself in, through both violent and non-violent methods.”
Radical Islam is Islam. The Koran commands Muslims to slay the unbelievers, to lay every ambush for them, until they submit to Islam. There is nothing that Islamic terrorists do that is not Koranically correct. Attacking airliners full of infidels is the modern equivalent of Mohammed raiding camel caravans of the Quraysh tribe. Beheading infidels in snuff videos is the modern equivalent of Mohammed presiding over the public mass beheadings of Jewish captives. Islam is a violent and intolerant religion and has been so from its inception. At one of the very first prayer services of the very first band of Muslims they killed a non-Muslim who stumbled across them.
EFG: “Moderate Islam is that which accepts and supports living in a secular state with a separation of church and state. Moderate Islam does not view non-believers as someone who is inherently inferior and subject to Dhimmi status and oppression. Moderate Islam does not seek to force Islamic and non-Islamic women alike to wear the burka or the niqab. Moderate Islam does not seek the death penalty for apostasy. Moderate Islam accepts the 1st ammendment right of freedom of speech, including that of satire and ridicule of religeous figures.”
Moderate Muslims are those who reject the violent example of Mohammed and the extremist teachings of the Koran. I suspect there are few such Muslims who reject the Koran, the literal word of Allah, and Mohammed, the perfect Muslim. I suspect there are many more Muslims who are engaging in taqqiya to fit in with the infidel countries where they have landed until the ultimate triumph of Islam and the imposition of Sharia law. Moderate Muslims never seem to criticise Islamic violence nor dysfunction but are full of criticism for non-Muslims. When you talk about moderate Muslims, it’s more important to note the subjects they avoid than the arguments they endlessly repeat.
Tantor on October 26, 2006 at 11:21 AM
This is why the Islamists and liberals get along so well - no personal responsibility because it’s always somebody and/or something else’s fault.
Rick on October 26, 2006 at 11:52 AM
Tantor, that is why the words of Aslam Abdullah are important and welcome.
Go to the last link AP provided, read what Aslam said, and judge for yourself if he sounds like a Moderate Muslim.
EFG on October 26, 2006 at 12:00 PM
I guess Islamofascists really are animals!
CliffHanger on October 26, 2006 at 12:01 PM
You need a large meat locker for Rosie. And the “uncovered meat” leaves a nasty image in my mind.
AAAAARGH!!going blind….
right2bright on October 26, 2006 at 12:50 PM
Allah pundit,
Did ya ever noticed that their will is great when it comes to strapping a bomb on themselves to blow themselves up and others but cannot control their own little Mr. Dickey for having a wayward eye “forcing” them to rape women who sway “suggestively”?
How many old women in burka would they even bother looking at for swaying “suggestively”?
Right. How come they don’t have public “Bobbied” cuttings as punishment? Isn’t stealing a woman’s virginity a crime? Stealing is stealing..no?
HACK!!
a lulu lulululululululu!
Kokonut on October 26, 2006 at 2:00 PM
EFG,
What Aslam Abdullah said is what I would expect to hear from any Muslim American citizen in response to Islamic terror. This is only the second time I have read such a response from Muslim Americans, which leaves me believing that it is not a mainstream sentiment. I hear plenty of criticism of America by Muslim Americans which far outweighs this.
It’s also troubling that I’m reading this opinion in the Jerusalem Post, rather than in a Muslim source. The attribution at the very end of the article says: “Distributed by the Bureau of International Information Programs, US Department of State.” In other words, this is part of a government propaganda program. Did it take the whole government to comb through America to find a single Muslim who would stand up for the USA to Islamic extremists?
When I see ordinary Muslims voluntarily rejecting Islamic extremism, I’ll be more inclined to believe that their hearts are not with the bad guys. As it is now, it looks like most of the American Muslim community sympathize with the goals of Muslim terrorists, if not their violent methods, to impose Sharia law and establish a worldwide Caliphate. Those Muslims who do not support Islamic terror still refuse to criticize any Muslim regardless of their crimes.
I am also less than impressed when I read that Abdullah has compared our Marines in Iraq to terrorists, rejects the authenticity of Bin Laden’s videotapes, and calls Israel an apartheid state.
Abdullah claims that Osama tapes are faked by the US government, “It seems that Bin Laden serves a useful purpose for the CIA planners and Pentagon officials. They use his so-called tapes to create panic and initiate legislative or policy issues. One does not really know if these tapes are real. Technology has advanced to such an extent that everything is possible.”
Steve Emerson: “The record of Aslam Abdullah’s comments during the past few years demonstrates an ideology of militant Islamic extremism. Pretending to be moderate, his radical agenda typifies the deception of groups … (that) falsely assert to be nonextremist.”
The problem I have is that every time a Muslim is presented as a moderate, it only takes a few clicks of Google to unravel the deception. It looks like Aslam Abdullah is another Muslim practicing taqqiya.
Tantor on October 26, 2006 at 2:05 PM
AAAHHHHH!!! I HATE it when I mess up a post and don’t catch it ltil way later! That shoulda said: Biff “Ya wouldn’t want ME TO GET FIRED would ya?”
Tony737 on October 26, 2006 at 5:56 PM
“So maybe Rosie doen’t have anything to worry about?
bbz123 on October 25, 2006 at 6:15 PM”
Spoiled meat usually isn’t very attractive.
Going with the logic of Sheik Hilali though, would it be his fault if he ends up in prison someday and …?
ValhallaMike on October 26, 2006 at 11:03 PM
“Uhh, no. The cats are the problem. I put meat out in the backyard all the time. Uncovered, too. It’s called a barbque. Those cats are a problem.
My rule? First time the cat tries something with the meat? He gets the shove.
Second time? He gets the hose.
Third time? I don’t know. Its never progressed past the second time. Soaking wet cats always run off to either hop the fence or hid under the bushes.
Just sayin’.
EFG on October 25, 2006 at 7:14 PM”
I have a friend who just shoots them right off! I like cats myself, and usually react more like you do … but they really are just animals. Hmmm…..
ValhallaMike on October 26, 2006 at 11:13 PM
A few points:
They were targeted white and non-Mulsim. See my post Muslim rapes of non-Muslim girls an epidemic
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As for Rosie, I believe she can walk unveiled anywhere in the Muslim world unharmed for two reasons: her looks and for her anti-American views.
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Interestingly in the poll at LGF, most Muslims think that one can be a good Muslim and a good American. However, what is not explained is that in order to be a good American they will first have to institute Sharia Law in America.
bernieg1 on October 27, 2006 at 10:43 AM