In the interwar period, the extreme nationalist movements of fascism and Nazism came to power in Italy and Germany respectively, and similar groups took over several other European countries during the late 1930s. This new wave of nationalism had powerful racist undertones, and it culminated in World War II and the Holocaust.

Compare to my post:

Fascism at its root is extreme nationalism–you know “Ein volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer”; socialism/communism at its root is anti-nationalism–”you know Workers of the world unite”.

Uhm… no. Fascism is the concept that people live to support the State. Socialism is the concept that people live to support each other. Nationalism, as defined by my dictionary, is “advocacy of national independence”. Both fascism and socialism advocate forcing someone else to live for the benefit of another (be it a person or a government). Nationalism has nothing to do with either. You can be a nationalist and still be a capitalist, or a socialist, or a theocrat.

Hootie on October 24, 2006 at 3:30 PM

To paraphrase Bogart, you’ve been misinformed.

The term “fascism” was coined by Mussolini in the 30′s. See below

…Fascism [is] the complete opposite of…Marxian Socialism, the materialist conception of history of human civilization can be explained simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production…. Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect. And if the economic conception of history be denied, according to which theory men are no more than puppets, carried to and fro by the waves of chance, while the real directing forces are quite out of their control, it follows that the existence of an unchangeable and unchanging class-war is also denied – the natural progeny of the economic conception of history. And above all Fascism denies that class-war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society….

After Socialism, Fascism combats the whole complex system of democratic ideology, and repudiates it, whether in its theoretical premises or in its practical application. Fascism denies that the majority, by the simple fact that it is a majority, can direct human society; it denies that numbers alone can govern by means of a periodical consultation, and it affirms the immutable, beneficial, and fruitful inequality of mankind, which can never be permanently leveled through the mere operation of a mechanical process such as universal suffrage….

…Fascism denies, in democracy, the absur[d] conventional untruth of political equality dressed out in the garb of collective irresponsibility, and the myth of “happiness” and indefinite progress….

…iven that the nineteenth century was the century of Socialism, of Liberalism, and of Democracy, it does not necessarily follow that the twentieth century must also be a century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy: political doctrines pass, but humanity remains, and it may rather be expected that this will be a century of authority…a century of Fascism. For if the nineteenth century was a century of individualism it may be expected that this will be the century of collectivism and hence the century of the State….

The foundation of Fascism is the conception of the State, its character, its duty, and its aim. Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived of in their relation to the State.

“A veil,” she said, “is never a symbol of liberty …

That’s … nice.

Muslims on the other hand, with 100 times more in number than Jews have won less than a pitiful handful of Nobel Prizes and in the past few hundred years contributed almost nothing in patents, discoveries, inventions, innovations, or ideas. And as for violence, Muslims do indeed treaten the very fabric of Western Culture and Civilization.

When Hitler complained about Jews, it was because they were too smart, too rich, too clever, too industrious, too peace-loving, too-etc and certainly no one lost any sleep worrying about a marauding, barbaric, vicous Jew.

When Westerners complain about Muslims, it certainly is not for any of the above reasons and no one living near a Muslim can sleep peacefully.

When Europeans complain about Jews, Jews need to walk around with body guards.

When Europeans complain about Muslims, Europeans need to walk around with body guards.

He’s either stupid OR (or should I say AND/or) he’s just being a good little Dhimmi so that the “victims” don’t blow HIM up next time he appears in public.

Either way Ken, you’re on the wrong side of history.

It gets real old hearing a bunch of screaming, all knowing libs/”progressives”/socialists/whatever referring to conservative capitalists by names which have roots in their own beliefs.

Absolutely. Hitler and Stalin were able to cooperate in the early days because they both saw British and American capitalism as a threat to their respective “new orders.” Fascism is in fact a left-wing philosophy. Like Communism and Islamism, it appeals to a perceived, aggrieved class and preaches revenge against those who have been allegedly oppressing that class. They all stand for collectivization, state-over-the-individual and intense regulation of society. The logical extreme for the right is actually libertarianism and anarchy.

That being said, I can’t think of any contemporary Western politician – right or left – that deserves comparison to the Nazis, and to do so only cheapens the horror of that regime. I don’t expect any better from Mr. Livingstone, however.

Fascism at its root is extreme nationalism… socialism/communism at its root is anti-nationalism

Uhm… no. Fascism is the concept that people live to support the State. Socialism is the concept that people live to support each other. Nationalism, as defined by my dictionary, is “advocacy of national independence”. Both fascism and socialism advocate forcing someone else to live for the benefit of another (be it a person or a government). Nationalism has nothing to do with either. You can be a nationalist and still be a capitalist, or a socialist, or a theocrat.

What always amazes me is how they all forget: NAZI = SOCIALISM (NATIONAL SOCIALISTS) and NAZISM is “bent” FACISM. One of the primary reasons of NAZI vs COMMUNIST during WWII was which type of socialism would prevail (type of socialism from old Europe or the “new fangled” [at the time] type of socialism coming out of Soviet Union). It gets real old hearing a bunch of screaming, all knowing libs/”progressives”/socialists/whatever referring to conservative capitalists by names which have roots in their own beliefs.

keldog on October 24, 2006 at 1:45 PM

Sweet Jesus. Where do you get this stuff?

Fascism at its root is extreme nationalism–you know “Ein volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer”; socialism/communism at its root is anti-nationalism–”you know Workers of the world unite”.

Don’t get me started on the veils.

My results are here.

What I found was that Jews and Muslims are on the receiving end of about as much abuse during the time frame of the report. (Jews had slightly higher last year and will probably get more this year too)

I also found that the type of incident being reported was extremely dubious. This seems like another case of “look at me I’m the victim.”

When we go to Middle Eastern countries, American women conform to their dress code; in Asia, we conform to bowing to one another. What’s wrong with Jack Straw’s request to talk with a Muslim woman face to face?

Freedom of religion? I’d certainly accept that arguement as soon as Muslim nations tolerate other religions. Religion may be a protected institution, but so was slavery in the 19th century.

The only real consistancy I can see in the lefts accusations is that they are always calling others either what they refuse to acknoledge in its proper place, or what they actually are themselves. For instance look at what these “fighters for the rights of all” will do to shut down legitmate public debate, the twisted moral base, the tactics they use, and who they will defend.

veil
vile
evil

- phil

btw Lorien, your SOOOO on hte money.
I’m so tired of hearing hitler this and nazi that.

Everyone is a nazi these days.

Want to put up a 4 way stop? Nazi.
Want to not let buildings blow up? Nazi.
Want to protect the borders? Nazi.
Want to let kids eat peanut butter sandwiches? Nazi.

But you know what I need?

I need another helping of Rosie O’Donell craziness. You know, the primo stuff, with all sorts of moral equivalence and nuance.

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