Video: Claire McCaskill’s Michael J. Fox ad
posted at 12:49 pm on October 23, 2006 by Allahpundit
Effective, but no different from CNN’s sniper segment in its M.O. Dean’s logic is unassailable, and I say that as someone who agrees with McCaskill on this issue.
I hate to give Coulter credit, but when she’s right, she’s right.
Update: Actually, as a devoted Kurzweilian, I do disagree with this part of Dean’s post:
If Fox thinks that stem cell research offers him (or me) hope, he’s mistaken. Stem cell research, both embryonic and otherwise, right now represents nothing more than a promising theory. If it bears fruit, and that’s a huge “if”, it will likely do so too late to benefit Fox, me, and our contemporaries.
Techology advances exponentially, my friend. Kurzweil says we could see many genetic diseases conquered within 15 years.










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Why does the ad not state embryonic stem cells?
Pam on October 23, 2006 at 12:54 PM
Why does everyone assume there is a ban on stem cell research, when Bush merely restricted Federal funding for existing embryonic stem cell research.
You can do all the research you want, without Federal funding.
And of course, Fox would probably eat an embryo if he thought it would cure himself. How selfish can you get? Why don’t he create his own embryos with his wife to donate for research instead of expecting me to pay for the research via Federal funding?
Neo on October 23, 2006 at 12:58 PM
Isn’t Fox Canadian? Did he become a US citizen or something?
blue eyed devil on October 23, 2006 at 12:59 PM
Why am I getting motion sickness?
mattshu on October 23, 2006 at 1:00 PM
Aside from the obvious ethical issues involved in both the ad and the subject, it sidesteps the fact that legislation authorizing additional stem cell research funding is not going to pass under Bush. But Congress has already passed it and done so by a significant margin. It’s certain to become law when Bush is gone.
It’s a moot point in this race.
I don’t blame Fox for doing the ad, but it’s pretty tacky of McCaskill.
Pablo on October 23, 2006 at 1:04 PM
I missed the line at the end, I presume it was:
“I’m Claire McCaskill and I approve having a debilitated TV Icon tell partial truths to try to get elected.”
gekkobear on October 23, 2006 at 1:04 PM
How dare you disagree neo-con. Look at me. If it wasn’t for you…………it isn’t a complicated issue damnit. Either you are heartless or you are not. Choose sides.
Limerick on October 23, 2006 at 1:06 PM
It’s a little worse than that, even. Bush authorized the funding for the reasearch with the existing cell lines. Even that was banned under Clinton. Bush didn’t restrict it, he was the first to allow any of it…with limitations.
Pablo on October 23, 2006 at 1:06 PM
Yes. And that’s why years ago when he was lobbying/bitching at Congress for more funding for research for his disease, I found it offensive. Got to wonder about that wonderful healthcare the canadians are always yapping about.
EF on October 23, 2006 at 1:06 PM
No emotional arm twisting there. That clip is pure SCIENCE!
John on October 23, 2006 at 1:06 PM
Gosh I hate to even point this out. A few weeks ago Michael J.
Fox was on an episode of Boston Legal. None of the tremors etc that we see in this clip showed up at all.
I live in the area where this battle is going on…it just gets uglier and uglier almost by the hour. I don’t think I could trust Claire if she said the sky is blue..I would have to go outside to check.
There is a huge push by the Stowers Institute (of course they will be doing the research) to get it passed, they you have poured about $20mil into the campaign..which is also on the ballot for a Missouri constitutional amendment.
Alilshy on October 23, 2006 at 1:08 PM
Isn’t it amazing how Mike J Fox got the “Show Me” states vernacular down pat. Only residents of the state and few others pronounce it Miz ZUR Rah instead of Miz ZUR ree.
Guess this Canadian transplant can now talk and act like a REAL American.
Schmo on October 23, 2006 at 1:09 PM
Pam because the Left is about smoke and mirrors and fear. Get everyone to believe the sky is falling long enough to get the vote and then the voters can be forgotten in the gutter until they are needed again.
The facts on stem cell research are being hidden and smeared around by the left. I am a ere infant when it comes to knowledge in the are but I know enough. Embryonic Stem Cell research is the only kind that has had opposition. It is also the least predictable with regards to results. From what I have read it has similar problems of compatability like blood donors do. The cells are also a little unpredictable i guess.
On the other hand much work has been done with other stem cells that has actually led to treatments that are now in use or testing. Some promising research in the area of adult nerves is being done here and it is not banned. Warning the exact details would need to be fact checked.
My cynical belief is that the dimwhits just need a good reason to keep aborting fetuses and they can say that they have all this tissue that needs to be used. Isn’t it a shame it is going to waste so lets use it. But I am a cynic.
Priest on October 23, 2006 at 1:10 PM
(Adult) Stem Cells are presently used to treat and cure some conditions. On the other hand, Embryonic Stem Cell research has not proven any usability. People usually confuse both, and advocates of Embryonic Stem Cell research use this confusion to mislead people in their advertising.
Ropera on October 23, 2006 at 1:10 PM
While I don’t envy Fox in the least (and I happen to support stem cell research), it is worth noting that he probably had to stop taking his medications for an appreciable time in order to get that out of control. I’m sure he isn’t like that on a day to day basis.
starflyer on October 23, 2006 at 1:12 PM
It has in the lab, which is the same place the other stem cell treatments have and continue to come from. It’s a newer field, and all new fields have, at the beginning, produced nothing.
Pablo on October 23, 2006 at 1:15 PM
I understand that he takes medication to control his tremors. His filming in various forums has to be carefully timed to his medication schedule. I assume this ad was timed to show more of his actual day to day condition. Medication is of course going to be less and less effective in helping him as his disease progresses.
High Desert Wanderer on October 23, 2006 at 1:19 PM
Fetal stem cell recipients are in a lot worse shape than he is in this video. Mallory…
Valiant on October 23, 2006 at 1:29 PM
“Isn’t Fox Canadian?”
Yes, I believe he his. But just like the rest of the world, especially Canada, they like the US taxpayer and consumer to pick up the tab for research. Just like prescription drugs, we pay for the research and they get the end result … cheap.
Hey Fox, screw you. Get your government, or maybe the rest of the world to do something for a change. What an ass.
I want someone to put me in an ad. I’m a victim of overwork and high taxes so I can make enough to feed Uncle Sam and my family. Hey Fox, screw you again.
darwin on October 23, 2006 at 1:34 PM
Pablo: Give me the name and author of the research
that you alude.
As of today, there is not a single research in the whole world that proves that Embryonic Stem Cells are useful for anything, nor they have been used to treat any condition.
Ropera on October 23, 2006 at 1:34 PM
The whole problem is this medical research has made ALL stem cell research a political football. The research community is getting defensive about all of this and is not putting enough emphasis on non-embryonic work (adult and cord blood). If they did, they might prove than embryonic work is unnecessary and they simply don’t want to come to that conclusion.
Mike O on October 23, 2006 at 1:36 PM
“I am a celebrity! It’s all aboot ME! ME!”
It’s unfortunate, because “Back to the Future” is one of my all time fav. movies. But I am sick and tired of people like him (Christopher Reeve, etc.) making their statemements once they get afflicted. How much money did they raise for charities before they were stricken?
There is a right way to do it, and a wrong way, and this is the an example of the wrong way.
matd on October 23, 2006 at 1:37 PM
Some providential irony:
The Ace on Polipundit posts a link to this article that was released today, Stem cells may cause tumours: US study:
INC on October 23, 2006 at 1:39 PM
I saw a different version of this ad by the same canidate a month or so ago and I have to admit I was appalled by it then and still am today. In fact, I was so appalled by it that then and there I deteremined to vote for Mr. Talent (I live in Missouri).
As Allapundit says, when Ann Coulter is right, she’s right and this is a perfect example of the Doctrine of Infallibility (see Godless for more details on this).
Due to Mr. Fox’s unfortunate condition, we would be extremely churlish to fault his position on stem-cell research, whatever the facts happen to be.
lordsquirrel on October 23, 2006 at 1:39 PM
On big ticket, pie-in-the-sky research like this and cancer & AIDS cures they’re waiting for the magic to come out of U.S. research. Fox and other canadians willing to spend the money are getting care in the U.S. and private European hospitals.
JoeEgo on October 23, 2006 at 1:40 PM
( Isn’t Fox Canadian? Did he become a US citizen or something? )
He is also an actor. . .
Just an observation.
Texyank on October 23, 2006 at 1:43 PM
He became a U.S. citizen back in the summer of 2000.
Quisp on October 23, 2006 at 1:45 PM
Efficient Induction of Oligodendrocytes from Human Embryonic Stem Cells.
* Kang SM,
* Cho MS,
* Seo H,
* Yoon CJ,
* Oh SK,
* Choi YM,
* Kim DW.
This was published 4 days ago. There are many more. That’s why we have this.
Now, could you find me a similar adult stem cell study at least a dozen years old?
Pablo on October 23, 2006 at 1:48 PM
A shameless ad by the Dems. No surprise here. Trotting out the victim is their standard M.O., but tinkering with drug medication for maximum effect does set a new low (if that’s possible).
I expect sometime in the next 14 days they will exhume the body of Christopher Reeve, prop him up in his casket and put a sign on his chest that reads, “Look what Bush did to me, now I’m dead”.
Yeh, they trotted Reeve out to, and just before the elections.
Of course, breaking his neck when he fell off of his horse had nothing to do with his medical disabilities and subsequent death. I guess we should ignore the fact that taking on the risk of injury associated with competitive horseback riding was a conscious decision he made. I’m sure Reeve knew that, but he let the Dems use him anyway.
All this coming from the party who says we need to stop the politics of personal destruction. What a friggin joke.
fogw on October 23, 2006 at 1:51 PM
Wow. I don’t know whether to applaud Fox’s acting abilities or to chalk it up to a lack of medication, but either way, I find it gratuitous and offensive. If he wants to accomplish something, he should be touting placental cord blood donation. This is where the real progress is being made with stem cells.
BeachBaby on October 23, 2006 at 1:56 PM
Priest:
Good point. Here is a link to the dangers of embryonic stemcells..obviously it got little press…keep in mind, we have been researching adult stem cells since the 1050′s!
We keep hearing about the potential, but we are never given any progress reports..It appears to me that the potential is huge for embryonic stem cell research..in that I mean that there is a lot of potential to make a ton of money!
Pam on October 23, 2006 at 1:58 PM
If we don’t save Michael J. Fox, how can we save the world? We’ve already lost Christopher Reeves. I’ve been hoping for a sequel to Doc Hollywood, but it probably won’t happen if we don’t get some embryos to Mr. Fox.
I think the Dems should get Cindy Sheehan, Olbermann, Michael J. Fox, Barbara Steisand, Pat Tillman’s brother, and the 9/11 conspiracy guys together in a recording studio to hold a benefit for the Democrat candidates.
“Handouts Across America“
Vincenzo on October 23, 2006 at 1:59 PM
Pam, why don’t embryos, which are chock full of ECSs, turn up full of tumors?
Pablo on October 23, 2006 at 2:00 PM
One of the biggest risks with embryonic cells is the problems of it being rejected, which is one of the reasons adult stem cells, which can be taken from the individual receiving the cells, is more reliable.
Esthier on October 23, 2006 at 2:02 PM
Pablo,
Could you please link to the report you sited? I don’t have all day to research the website you linked. And another thing…Please answer the question as to why the Federal Government should fund this.
Suburbandad on October 23, 2006 at 2:10 PM
Like all of the armchair researchers with respect to Global Warming, stem cell research is an idea that belongs squarely in the hands of scientists at this point. Dems love to use this as a political wedge, but it’s not at the point where it’s a magic bullet needed for treatments right now. As scientists evolve the technology to mass usability, the exact cell needs will become clear and then there will be plenty of room to understand any ethical repercussions. Until then, this is all just a bunch of babbling and political machination. It’s despicable that Fox would allow himself to be under-medicated and filmed to be used as a purely emotional puppet in a political ad. But since when has the left ever been unwilling to stoop to any depth?
JeffB. on October 23, 2006 at 2:22 PM
Does anyone have information on exactly how much medical research the government funds?
Esthier on October 23, 2006 at 2:23 PM
I only support embryonic stem cell research as a guise for my killing babies.
Wait… I don’t support either embryonic stems cell research or abortion… nevermind…
E L Frederick on October 23, 2006 at 2:26 PM
Embryonic stem cells are amazing pluripotent things in tissue culture dishes. Show me a successful clinical trial. Wouldn’t it be moral not to kill or exploit the lives of unborn humans before showing at least minor success with adult stem cell trials? How about curing animal models of disease with animal stem cells? Animal embryonic stem cell studies have also not met their promising potential. Ann Coulter did a magnificent job on the reason the left wants to kill the unborn in Godless. And no, it is not to cure Christopher Reeve and Michael J. Fox. Dr. Mengele would be proud.
Valiant on October 23, 2006 at 2:30 PM
Pablo: Give me the name and author of the research
that you alude.
Efficient Induction of Oligodendrocytes from Human Embryonic Stem Cells.
* Kang SM,
* Cho MS,
* Seo H,
* Yoon CJ,
* Oh SK,
* Choi YM,
* Kim DW.
This was published 4 days ago. There are many more. That’s why we have this.
Now, could you find me a similar adult stem cell study at least a dozen years old?
Mancipium on October 23, 2006 at 2:31 PM
Suburbandad, go to PubMed and search for Enbryonic stem cell. That’s where I found it. It’s in the first few hits.
As for whether it should be federally funded, that’s a question worth discussion. But I have to ask you whether you think any medical research should be federally funded, and if so whether that means you think we should cut the National Institutes of Health and it’s $28.6 billion dollar annual research budget.
As to why we should fund more of it, I find the potential impressive and we’ve got the money. I think there’s an ultimate benefit there that won’t be realized without public funding to forward the basic science.
As for why we shouldn’t, I find the Libertarian argument most persuasive and difficult to counter.
Pablo on October 23, 2006 at 2:31 PM
Fox has admitted that he stops taking his meds when he appears in front of committees and cameras to aid his cause.However,to suggest that a cure for Parkinson’s is determined by the election of a Dem is just pure false hope and pandering.
bbz123 on October 23, 2006 at 2:32 PM
ESC’s were first isolated in the lab in 1998. That’s 8 years ago. It’s a developing field.
Show me a successful ASC study from a dozen years ago.
Pablo on October 23, 2006 at 2:35 PM
Pablo-
Are you arguing that adult stem cell research has garnered nothing? Do you even understand research?
Pam on October 23, 2006 at 2:43 PM
Pablo, From the study you cite: (in the Conclusions) “and potentially for understanding and treating neurodegenerative and psychiatric diseases.”
And that is my point. So far, everything in Embryonic Stem Cell Research is might, potentially, may, could, but nothing is proved as it should be in successful laboratory results.
That is the reasons why private investors are reluctant to put more money into this type of research, and is also the reason why advocates of so far unsuccessful research aim at federal funds.
Ropera on October 23, 2006 at 2:44 PM
Thanks to Fox, there has been promising developments in the production of the flux capacitor.
CrankyNeocon on October 23, 2006 at 2:46 PM
Pam,
No, what Pablo is trying to say is that 12 years ago there was no successful Adult Stem Cell research, so we could have the hope that 12 years from now Embryonic will give us something.
I don’t know if that is true, not I know if the amount of funds required were the same, nor if Adult Cells were funded privately, so I can’t give an opinion.
Ropera on October 23, 2006 at 2:47 PM
I voted for McCaskill for State Auditor as well as Jay Nixon for Attorney General though I do trend mostly Republican overall. And even though Talent has been an extremely effective legislator, I was more than willing to give McCaskill an opportunity to persuade me to vote for her. The ugly campaign she has run — culminating in this cheap sack of manipulative bull**** — has certainly persuaded me….to vote for Talent. Thanks for making the choice a whole lot easier, Claire.
Tongueboy on October 23, 2006 at 2:48 PM
BTW, one of the very few trials that has been done, and to bad effect, was a Parkinson’s trial. The cells restored the deficient dopamine producing capability of the patients brains. The problems arose when they realized they weren’t going to stop when they had achieved the desired effect. This is similar to the teratomas that have been noted in several cases. It isn’t that they do what they were hoped to do, it’s that they didn’t know when to stop.
That’s why we do research. To identify these sorts of problems and to determine if they can be overcome. That’s why Phase I of any human clinical trial is a safety/toxicity study, and is not designed to measure efficacy.
Pam, yes, I know a little bit about research. I know a teeny tiny bit about the NIH too. No, I am not arguing what you suggest. Do you understand that the ASC research we all know and love was similarly unproven a dozen years ago? Both areas of the field will probably advance tremendously in the next dozen years too.
There’s a phenomenal amount of new information in the pipe just waiting for people to decipher it and find useful applications for it.
Pablo on October 23, 2006 at 2:48 PM
In a nutshell, I hate to see misleading advertising like Fox’s
Ropera on October 23, 2006 at 2:49 PM
So Ann Coulter is an American hero and Michael Fox is a self proclaimed victim. That sounds about right to me.
If Michael J. Fox wanted to be genuine he would push his own goBernment to support more stem cell research, and fix their decrepit health care system. He has made a small fortune in America, and has no right to DEMAND more from the US. In any case, it isn’t as if the Fed made the drugs he uses today possible, nor will they be the solution for the miracle cure he hopes to see in his lifetime.
DannoJyd on October 23, 2006 at 2:50 PM
and a final word to to Pablo before I go back to work (this thing of posting is addictive!):
No! You can not have my money!
Be good, man
Ropera on October 23, 2006 at 2:52 PM
Am I too jaded to suggest that his becoming an American citizen was solely to advocate for more $$$ for research and nothing else?
EF on October 23, 2006 at 2:53 PM
Maybe Fox can go off his meds and do a telethon. That might raise more money for his cause than this is…
E L Frederick on October 23, 2006 at 3:00 PM
Ropera, from that study:
They found yet another type of cells they can coax them into becoming. No, it isn’t out of the lab yet. But they have done amazing things in the lab in an astonishingly short time, in terms of medical progress. The area of study is…well, embryonic. But the people who study it agree that there’s a whole hell of a lot there to look at, just as there is with the cord blood derived cells and the various ASC lines of inquiry. You will never get the answers to questions you don’t ask.
“It hasn’t done anything for anyone!” as an argument would be like writing off Einstein for washing out of 6th grade math.
Pablo on October 23, 2006 at 3:02 PM
Ah, but that’s the hook! Someone is getting the money, it’s just a matter of who.
Surely, you don’t think a department of our government is just going to leave your appropriated money in the bank! ;-P
Pablo on October 23, 2006 at 3:05 PM
Anyone is free to do stem cell research, they just are not allowed to spend my money to destroy one person, for the sake of another.
JackM on October 23, 2006 at 3:05 PM
Stem cells from fat used to repair girl’s skull (from MSNBC)
Scientists believe adult stem cells may be more flexible than first thought. (from the BBC)
Stem cell advance fuels embryo debate (also BBC)
UK researchers are pioneering tests of the use of adult stem cells which could reverse cirrhosis of the liver. (BBC)
Adult stem cell breakthrough (BBC again)
60 Minutes II: Holy Grail
(CBS)
Stem Cells From Fat Cells
(CBS)
Esthier on October 23, 2006 at 3:08 PM
This is another area where Bush is less than the straight shooter he likes to pretend he is: Bush is against embryonic stem cell research because it is not supportive of the “culture of life” and is in fact destroying human life. Ok, but if that’s your point of view and you are in fact the POTUS, why don’t you move to make it illegal? Half measures strike again.
The other part of this that is completely illogical is the fate of these embryos when the parents decide they no longer want to pay for their “room and board”. They are thrown out with the rest of the bio-waste. Which is better than using them for research because…..
honora on October 23, 2006 at 3:10 PM
Come on people, I neeed help with my celbrity lineup for the upcoming “Handouts Across America” album.
Who should we get in the studio for the singalong?
Vincenzo on October 23, 2006 at 3:14 PM
Exactly. The unanswerable question. That’s like twice today, ain’t it? :-)
As for Bush, he’s keeping old promises. I’m still scratching my head that this is the only time he’s managed to work up a veto, though.
Pablo on October 23, 2006 at 3:16 PM
Current Stem Cell Applications
(And by stem cells theyre referring primarily to umbilical cord blood stem cells)
Acute Leukemias
Acute Lymphoblast Leukemia (ALL)
Acute Myelogenous Leukemia (AML)
Acute Biphenotypic Leukemia
Acute Undifferentiated Leukemia
Chronic Leukemias
Chronic Myelogenous Leukemia (CML)
Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia (CLL)
Juvenile Chronic Myelogenous Leukemia (JCML)
Juvenile Myelomonocytic Leukemia (JMML)
Myelodysplastic Syndromes
Refractory Anemia (RA)
Refractory Anemia with Ringed Sideroblasts (RARS)
Refractory Anemia with Excess Blasts (RAEB)
Refractory Anemia with Excess Blasts in Transformation (RAEB-T)
Chronic Myelomonocytic Leukemia (CMML)
Stem Cell Disorders
Aplastic Anemia (Severe)
Fanconi Anemia
Paroxysmal Nocturnal Hemoglobinuria (PNH)
Pure Red Cell Aplasia
Myeloproliferative Disorders
Acute Myelofibrosis
Agnogenic Myeloid Metaplasia (myelofibrosis)
Polycythemia Vera
Essential Thrombocythemia
Lymphoproliferative Disorders
Non-Hodgkin’s Lymphoma
Hodgkin’s Disease
Phagocyte Disorders
Chediak-Higashi Syndrome
Chronic Granulomatous Disease
Neutrophil Actin Deficiency
Reticular Dysgenesis
Other Inherited Disorders
Lesch-Nyhan Syndrome
Cartilage-Hair Hypoplasia
Glanzmann Thrombasthenia
Osteopetrosis
Adrenoleukodystrophy
Inherited Platelet Abnormalities
Amegakaryocytosis / Congenital Thrombocytopenia
Inherited Metabolic Disorders
Mucopolysaccharidoses (MPS)
Hurler’s Syndrome (MPS-IH)
Scheie Syndrome (MPS-IS)
Hunter’s Syndrome (MPS-II)
Sanfilippo Syndrome (MPS-III)
Morquio Syndrome (MPS-IV)
Maroteaux-Lamy Syndrome (MPS-VI)
Sly Syndrome, Beta-Glucuronidase Deficiency (MPS-VII)
Adrenoleukodystrophy
Mucolipidosis II (I-cell Disease)
Krabbe Disease
Gaucher’s Disease
Niemann-Pick Disease
Wolman Disease
Metachromatic Leukodystrophy
Histiocytic Disorders
Familial Erythrophagocytic Lymphohistiocytosis
Histiocytosis-X
Hemophagocytosis
Inherited Erythrocyte Abnormalities
Beta Thalassemia Major
Sickle Cell Disease
Inherited Immune System Disorders
Ataxia-Telangiectasia
Kostmann Syndrome
Leukocyte Adhesion Deficiency
DiGeorge Syndrome
Bare Lymphocyte Syndrome
Omenn’s Syndrome
Severe Combined Immunodeficiency (SCID)
SCID with Adenosine Deaminase Deficiency
Absence of T & B Cells SCID
Absence of T Cells, Normal B Cell SCID
Common Variable Immunodeficiency
Wiskott-Aldrich Syndrome
X-Linked Lymphoproliferative Disorder
Plasma Cell Disorders
Multiple Myeloma
Plasma Cell Leukemia
Waldenstrom’s Macroglobulinemia
Amyloidosis
Other Malignancies
Ewing Sarcoma
Neuroblastoma
Renal Cell Carcinoma
Retinoblastoma
The lame can walk
Esthier on October 23, 2006 at 3:20 PM
Esthier, that’s an impressive list, though they’re all relatively recent stories. The oldest among them is from 2000. We’ve come an awfully long way in the last few years, haven’t we? The next few years promise to be just as exciting.
BTW, the 60 Minutes piece refers to cord blood derived cells, not adult. I believe those are more closely related to ESC’s than ASC’s.
Pablo on October 23, 2006 at 3:22 PM
I was referring to the first list! The second one is impressive too. It’s been a bountiful area of research, and it looks to continue producing answers for very difficult problems.
Pablo on October 23, 2006 at 3:24 PM
Hi, I’m Micheal J Fox and I believe unborn children are less important than me.
Benaiah on October 23, 2006 at 3:27 PM
I don’t have any problem with stem cell research, adult or embryo. But I do have a problem when the government gets involved in these affairs. Leave it to the private sector.
And why is every person who questions the morality of stem cell research or abortion branded as an evangelical nut? What ever happened to an honest debate?
budorob on October 23, 2006 at 3:29 PM
Stem cell therapy, like gene therapy, has huge potential. The results have been disappointing except, as noted above, cord blood in hematological disease. We need to keep studying with due diligence to ethics and taxpayer money.
Valiant on October 23, 2006 at 3:30 PM
Cords are counted as ASC, not ESC. I’m not sure exactly why except that no ASC cause a life to be terminated whereas ESC do, and yes most of the cures are coming from cords. They are currently the best source for stem cells. So everyone donate your cords after giving birth.
And I didn’t realize you wanted older stories. Yours was recent, so I assumed you wanted recent.
Oh and I forgot to address this:
Could this be what you’re talking about?
criminal fraud
Just this week, the South Korean government charged disgraced researcher Hwang Woo-suk with criminal fraud and embezzlement for his role in fabricating data in two highly publicized studies claiming significant advances in embryonic stem cell research one claiming to have cloned the first human embryo and the other to have created patient-specific stem cells.
Esthier on October 23, 2006 at 3:31 PM
Same here…
Wade on October 23, 2006 at 3:33 PM
And someone mentioned tumors…
Stem Cells
Stem Cell
Esthier on October 23, 2006 at 3:34 PM
Mona Charen, in a post from earlier this year on the stem cell debate and fertility clinics:
INC on October 23, 2006 at 3:38 PM
Not to single you out, but there are more selfish posts here than I have ever seen. People help the projects/charities that they relate to the most.It’s one of the reasons there is passion in our charitable organizations here and around the world. Would you prefer Fox get on the bandwagon for heroin addiction? He cant relate. Many of these actors and regular people know there is little hope for them before they die. Dont try to take that dignity from them. You or I might not agree with what they’re campaigning for, but its more than a little selfish and closedminded to be against the person because he has that illness.
Condemn people for who they are, or how they try to help?
How dare you? Who made you God for the day?
I don’t condone the use of Fox in this political ad, but I do support him and all people like him who give of themselves for a cause, any altruistic cause. Do most of you give of yourself, and why?
shooter on October 23, 2006 at 3:41 PM
Actually, they’re classified as CBE’s. or cord-blood-derived embryonic-like stem cells. They’re not as developed as ASC’s but not quite as primative as ESC’s. They have more of the pluripotency that is desireable in ESC’s than ASC’s have. So,
Absofreakingloutely. And if you’re loaded, keep some in cryogenic storage for the kid. It could come in handy one day.
No, the point I’m making is that all of the ASC stories are fairly recent, though the field is not so new. Not long ago there were no ASC clinical success stories, now there are lots. Right now there are no clinical success stories for ESC’s, eventually there will be, probably soon. The fact that CBE’s are so useful is a good indication that this will happen.
Pablo on October 23, 2006 at 3:48 PM
No offense, but how is Fox being altruistic? He’s asking for the government to give money to research so he can beat Parkinson’s.
I could see calling it altruistic if he was saying this on behalf of a family member or friend, but he’s asking it of himself. That’s not altruistic by any standard. I could understand not calling it selfish. But altruistic?
Does that really fit with a man who’s asking the government to fund research to help cure his disease?
And don’t get me wrong, I don’t want to condem the man. If I were him, I’d probably do the same thing he is, assuming he truely believes ESC hold a cure that ASC do not. But I don’t find anything selfless in his actions.
And again, no offense intended, but the man intentionally quit taking his medicine in order to make a political ad. I sincerely see no dignity in that act, specifically considering what the disease does to a body without medication.
Esthier on October 23, 2006 at 3:50 PM
INC:
Only with the consent of the bio “parents”, which isn’t that common. A lot of couples won’t do it, and it’s illegal to use them without the “parents” consent, for research or for adoption.
Pablo on October 23, 2006 at 3:52 PM
That must be recent. Every count I’ve seen breaks them up into two categories of either ASC or ESC. And when that is done, the cords go with ASC.
It matters little really. Either way, we’re talking about side-stepping the moral question and getting to what medical science is supposed to be all about, saving lives.
I’m not convinced. Everything I’ve read seems to imply that people who have been treated with ESC have actually been worse off than before being treated.
I mean I understand the shaking thing with Parkinson’s, but articles point to severe shaking, enough to disturb someone who’s had the disease for years.
Besides, there are more hurdles for ESC than for ASC considering that ESC have a greater risk of being rejected, whereas blood cells taking from the patient do not have that problem.
And I understand what you’re saying about the more recent stories. It’s possible there are older stories, but it’s hard enough finding stories about ASC considering that most stories leave out the information as to whether it’s ESC or ASC and simply call them stem calls.
Plus, this doesn’t necessarily mean that the stem cell issue just takes time and that once ESC have been researched for as long as ASC that they will acheive the same results. It could be as simple as technological advancements that have made the research easier in general.
There are too many variables there to know for certain.
Esthier on October 23, 2006 at 4:00 PM
Yah right like voting for this McCaskill marxist is going to cure Fox!!! Again “yah right” just like voting for John “Lurch” Kerry was going to make Christopher Reeves walk again! Boy some people live in a fantasy land worse then those Scientology idiots!
Confederate on October 23, 2006 at 4:01 PM
So either way, without consent there is nothing a doctor can do. The embryo will still be discarded despite government funding for ESC research. Is that what you’re saying?
Esthier on October 23, 2006 at 4:03 PM
Maybe I don’t understand what you said Stoner but…
How is the death of a living human embryo to cure others an altruistic act?
Alilshy on October 23, 2006 at 4:17 PM
“Why am I getting motion sickness?”
mattshu on October 23, 2006 at 1:00 PM
The ad IS pathetic and extremely misleading..but this comment is truly PATHETIC!
EEprom on October 23, 2006 at 4:29 PM
Lame. Pun Intended.
BirdEye on October 23, 2006 at 4:30 PM
As a Missouri (Mis-ur-ree, not Mis-ur-ah, I wanted to hit him when he mispronounced it) resident, I’ve been talking with lots of people about this. Honestly, I dont care where Cord Stem Cells are classified, nor do I have problems with the research. If the cells are obtained through embryos, and it results in their deaths, I find it morally reprehensible and do not want my money funding it. In addition to my moral objection, the ballot measure has received around 90-95% of its funding from one couple, which just reeks of corruption. It would be one thing if there were actual limits on the research in MO, but none exist. The wording is ridiculous, as it: a) redefines cloning so as to claim to ban it and b) says that all research must follow local laws, so long as said local laws do not inhibit stem cell research.
Sorry for the tangent, the two have become so interconnected in my mind I can’t talk about one without the other.
Oh, and McCaskil (sp?) has been waging an awful campaign, so that adds yet another reason why I won’t vote for her.
MCaN on October 23, 2006 at 4:32 PM
While all this debate over the potential for stem cells of whatever kind is fascinating, and it seems inevitable that the federal government will continue to be a large source for medical research, I find it appalling that we’ve gotten to this point. What section of the constitution gives the feds this power to take money from taxpayers and transfer it to people to whom it does not belong for purposes not set out in the constitution? Wait, don’t tell me, it’s the commerce clause! Yeah, right.
kmcguire on October 23, 2006 at 4:34 PM
They spent how many millions of $$$$ on this ad…
and other lobbying efforts….
Why didn’t this money go directly to a research lab?
Since, currently the federal government allows the research, but simply doesn’t fund it.
Marvin on October 23, 2006 at 4:35 PM
From a sane persepctive. Science has to be controlled in its expansion. Not politically, but ethically. There are lots of things that can be done in the name of science but are not, until we resolve the ethical issues.
The ethical issue at point here is not the embryo’s themselves. It is creating a market for them. It could lead to creating a market for other items and could fall as a burden on women. But I am sure most democrats and even some republicans have not thought about this aspect of the issue.
The thing is, we do not want to create a market for viable human life and in turn make women nothing more but ovary factories. That is the simple fact of the matter.
As it is, I am sure there will be plenty of lines and sources for embryonic stem cells that can be obtained in the future that solves this ethical dilemma.
Also, from everything I have read, most of the breakthroughs are happening with adult stemcells and not with embryonic stemcells. Embryonic stemcells seem to cause tumors and other crazy phenomenon at this time.
James on October 23, 2006 at 4:47 PM
Exactly. The only difference is that there’s now less research for “parents” to donate embryos to than there would be if there were more funding available. They have the final say on what happens to them, I would guess until they don’t pay the rent for long enough and then all the facility could possible do is “evict” them to the dustbin. They have no right to your genetic material, let alone to give it to someone else.
If you look at the bill Bush vetoed, it reads:
At the end of the day, it says “Let’s fund research on the ones we’re going to throw out anyway, if the donors agree.”
Mike Castle (R-DE) says he’s going to reintroduce it. Eventually, it will become the law. I think it’s reasonable, and I think it’s pro-life.
Pablo on October 23, 2006 at 4:52 PM
I think Iv’e heard this from the Dems before. . .
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34167-2004Oct14.html
“John Edwards ”
“If we do the work that we can do in this country, the work that we will do when John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve are going to walk, get up out of that wheelchair and walk again.”
Texyank on October 23, 2006 at 4:56 PM
The DNC is running a similar ad here in AZ attacking J.D. Hayworth. Maybe the reseachers should get money elsewhere and get there hands out of the Federal pocket. They can still research it but on their own dime. When you can come back with hard results we can talk.
I hope the links work (I got these via CNN search: “adult stem cell research”)
VikingGoneWild on October 23, 2006 at 4:56 PM
http://www.stemcellresearch.org/
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/winter01/stem_cell.html
VikingGoneWild on October 23, 2006 at 4:59 PM
So, you’re for closing the National Institutes of Health and eliminating its $28.6 billion annual budget?
Do you think that we shouldn’t fund any research that hasn’t produced clinical results? I guess that’s the same question as the first.
Pablo on October 23, 2006 at 5:04 PM
Michael J. Fox’s points on this subject are shakey at best and he’s turned into such a Jerk.
BRYHERB on October 23, 2006 at 5:06 PM
That’s just silly. Should we have an Army or a Navy?
We’re quite capable of doing both.
Pablo on October 23, 2006 at 5:07 PM
As a Missouri-for the last 4 1/2 months anywaymay I say that:
One. Talent will win anyway. ‘Skill is playing the us vs them card(“A senator for therest of us” “Had enough? Vote Democratic.”) and that isn’t playing well with the masses likely to actually vote Nov 7th
And 2. Amendment 2 won’t pass either because while many won’t admit it publically(you don’t want a 14 year old with diabetes to think you don’t want her to get better) due to the chaos it’ll cause in the MO constitution-and ther moral issues-when people get in front of the “machines” they’ll vote it down.
Btw-I voted absentee becuase I’m working the election-and I voted FOR TALENT and AGAINST “2″
annoyinglittletwerp on October 23, 2006 at 5:13 PM
There’s always a way around hacking up human embryos in order to treat diseases:
PRCalDude on October 23, 2006 at 5:39 PM
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=11887092&query_hl=3&itool=pubmed_docsum
PRCalDude on October 23, 2006 at 5:39 PM
I know that this is a bit off topic, but, only politicians, people from the bootheel (rural) parts of Missouri, and people from outside of Missouri actually pronounce it MizZURah.
It’s a linguistic hyper-correction. Back in the day, less educated people would say Nebraskee, Oklahomee, etc. With increased amounts of education came the enforcement of the ‘correct’ Nebraska, Oklahoma, etc. Unfortunately, this had the side-effect of leaving many people thinking that they had incorrectly been saying “Missouri” and they began saying “Missoura” as well.
When someone (usually a politician) comes in and says “MissourAH” and they are not from one of the few areas that acutally pronounce it with a final schwa, I know that they have absolutely no idea about Missouri and are just pandering to the “stupid hicks” that they assume live there.
Regardless of the incorrect pronunciation, I imagine that commercial is going to turn of a whole lot more Missouri voters than it will sway.
JadeNYU on October 23, 2006 at 6:09 PM
On a sidebar:
While channel flipping weeks ago, I happen to stop on Bravo’s “the Actors Studio”, or whatever it’s called. Fox was the guest.
In response to one of James Lipton’s questions, Fox responded with, “What good is two plus two if it always equals four?”
Well Mr. Fox, the good of 2+2=4 is part of the building blocks of inventions, scietific research, and guess what – medical breakthroughs!
I used to like this guy until I heard that. Now I take
anything he says suspiciously.
kevcad on October 23, 2006 at 6:29 PM
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