Blogging Galactica
posted at 2:57 pm on October 21, 2006 by Bryan
Well. We know what Tigh did with Ellen.
Some of you wanted epic battles. You got a spectacular one on and over New Caprica and one in the space above.
And the Cylons cut and ran? Nah. But we seem to be back to the status quo ante the arrival of the Pegasus.
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I recorded this last night, haven’t watched it yet. Was it good?
Zorro on October 21, 2006 at 3:11 PM
Huh?
Mahdi Al-Dajjal on October 21, 2006 at 3:11 PM
yup, very. I think it was the best one so far.
newfiewife on October 21, 2006 at 3:15 PM
OH, and I was so sick over the women who had Sharon’s baby. I know they had to kill her…she’s on Eureka now..LOL
Seriously, that sucked. And I COULD NOT BELIEVE what col Tigh did. I thought he just drugged her…I had to ask my husband if he really did it…awful. did he really have to though?
newfiewife on October 21, 2006 at 3:18 PM
It’s been a beautiful day up here. Raking leaves all day. We’ll be getting the grill going in an hour or so, have some supper then hit the DVR.
Zorro on October 21, 2006 at 3:24 PM
This is the first episode I have seen so I’m a little lost. But it was interesting. I like the differing ethnicities and the unity of the human race.
Theworldisnotenough on October 21, 2006 at 3:41 PM
Now that the Cylons have the hybrid, are they going to leave the humans alone, or keep chasing them? Are we going to find out what their vaunted plan is?
I like how Tigh is giving a Mullah Omar type vibe now. Ellen had to die to focus/motivate/explain Tigh.
I really hope they start getting into some serious Sci-Fi and start looking for Earth. Finding artifacts of the lords of Cobol, showing how they survive in space etc. and what’s with that oracle?
Eureka isn’t coming back til next summer, so she could’ve stayed and pulled double duty. Can someone expain why all of a sudden no two TV series have them same season anymore. Not that I mind with Tivo and all, its just getting annoying waiting six months to a year for more episodes.
Iblis on October 21, 2006 at 3:43 PM
I thought this was the best episode over. Little or no politics and an hour of ass-kickin’ action.
I don’t get the tactics though. If you have a BS that can jump in and jump out at will (it seems). Why fight a straight fight. I’d jump in, lock on, fire my salvo of nukes, jump out again. And do it until the job is done. why sit there and take a pounding?
Given the victory, and Adama practically deified at the end of the episode. Will there be new elections coming up? The people chose a traitor the first time; can they do better?
I’d like to see the colonialists weaponize some of the civilian ships so they can fight too. Why don’t they take this action?
I suspect Baltar will become leader of the Cylons soon, as he was “correct” on New Caprica and vindicated.
lorien1973 on October 21, 2006 at 3:44 PM
I’d like to see more “finding earth” episodes too, much like the old series.
lorien1973 on October 21, 2006 at 3:45 PM
I really enjoyed the original series. It was fun. I find this one a little too dark. Anyone out there who likes both the old and new? Would someone who enjoyed the old series be able to enjoy this one if they gave it a chance?
Rose on October 21, 2006 at 3:46 PM
Its a different show. Its darker; the other one was more for kids. The name is the same, the overall concept is the same; but this is for adults. Its very good. I love this show. Its a soap opera for guys; where stuff blows up!
lorien1973 on October 21, 2006 at 3:47 PM
She was a traitor. She had reasons, to be sure and her heart may have been in the right place, but she was a traitor. If the G hadn’t come back, many people would have died because of her desire to protect one person.
lorien1973 on October 21, 2006 at 3:54 PM
I really liked the kids version, but then I was younger. I really do enjoy the show Eureka that someone mentioned. Who is in both shows?
Rose on October 21, 2006 at 3:54 PM
I haven’t muched like Helen Tigh since she showed up. Always seemed to bring out the worst in the Col.
I’m sure it emotionally killed him to have to do what he did.
Starbuck got serious short end of the stick. Fracking Cylons. Talk about screwing with your head/heart.
… and… Lee got fat!! Put the fracking FORK down!
Lots of “new ghosts” to deal with, that’s for sure.
E L Frederick on October 21, 2006 at 4:02 PM
She did. And even though she was a traitor; without getting Tigh out of prison, he might have died.
That part was very Fox News. When that guy was forced to convert to Islam or die. Very similar to that. Showed her character, didn’t it? I felt a little less respect for her after that.
No joke! Fatty fatty 2×4, can’t fit thru the raptor door!
The humans should take the lessons from this. You don’t kill Cylons, you injure them and take them prisoner, so they can’t download their memories. I’d make that official policy for the human models.
lorien1973 on October 21, 2006 at 4:08 PM
I might of loss respect, had she not twisted the knife at the end. I think she made her true statement very clear.
On Tigh, Adama did joke about him getting a younger model. Perhaps he can see clearer now that he has one fewer eye and less baggage. He needs a serious pirate eye patch.
ARRRR! I be the first officer matey!
E L Frederick on October 21, 2006 at 4:19 PM
What is with all the downloading. Didn’t they blow up the resurection ship in season 1? They never addressed how many more there are.
Best seen was the BS entering the atmosphere, launching vipers, and jumping out. And Starbuck got fracked yo. Poor thing. But at least we can watch her turn back into the tuff broad instead of a sweet loving mom.
Has to be the best series on TV. Followed by The Wire:Will Omar survive jail? Anyway, watched the original as a kid and absolutely enjoy the new BSG.
sunny on October 21, 2006 at 4:22 PM
This was an excellent episode.
Rose: You most definitely can enjoy the old series and this version. They’re two totally different animals.
As for Ellen and Tigh: I hated to see Ellen go–even though Tigh didn’t have a choice. Ellen ended up an incredibly tragic figure. When she was first introduced, she was nothing more than an opportunistic floozy, but in the end, we find that she really did love Tigh and he really loved her. It was disfunctional and destructive love though with the outcome a natural one for that relationship. As Anders told Tigh, it had to be done and it was better for her that he did it this way rather than having Anders put a bullet in her brain.
Also, everyone here seems to be forgetting about Gaeta. As far as everyone else on the Galactica is concerned, he was Baltar’s chief flunky–no one knows his role as Tyrol’s inside contact. People are going to be looking for collaborators and guess who’s at the top of the list…
The you know what’s also really going to hit the fan when/if Sharon finds out that her baby is really alive–remember when she told D’anna that Adama wouldn’t lie to her? That’s going to come back and bite Adama and Roslin in their collective rears at some point.
To conclude, there are a lot of walking wounded on that ship right now…it’ll be interesting seeing how they put the pieces back together again
Matt Helm on October 21, 2006 at 4:23 PM
I’m downloading it from ITunes right now. 75 minutes to go and then I’ll know.
marianpaul on October 21, 2006 at 4:25 PM
what is this? is this all that “beedeebeedeebee, hey buck” crap?
jummy on October 21, 2006 at 4:26 PM
I agree… Gaeta seems to be the target of the next Episode. I hope he survives. Albeit I do wished he had waxed Baltar.
E L Frederick on October 21, 2006 at 4:28 PM
So when, and where, is this show on? (What channel?)
Can a guy come in this late and have a clue? Just start watching it now?
I think I saw some of these shows, BattleStar Gallactica, some years ago. Are these the same but new? They still producing these things?
shooter on October 21, 2006 at 4:50 PM
Sci-Fi Channel, Fridays. They have two showings.
Its a bit hard to get in on the action now, but if you keep in mind Cylons bad humans good, you’ll catch up. Everything builds however, its available on DVD, so you could rent it from Netflix and the BSG website also has a lot of info to help you catch up.
There were 2 series, one in the late 70s early 80s and this one. They have almost nothing to do with each other beyond the concept of humans running from homicidal robots. The current one is still in production and, as has been said, is a very dark take on the original.
Iblis on October 21, 2006 at 5:03 PM
E. L. Frederick “AARRRRR”
Now THAT’S funny!
Tony737 on October 21, 2006 at 5:10 PM
oooops I wasn’t ready yet. Aaaaanywho…
Yes, you can like both versions. They each have their pros and cons. I like the old version because it was black n’ white, good guys vs. bad guys, but it was a little bit corny. The new version is kick ass but I don’t like the cylons who look human … AND GIVE BIRTH!
Yesterday’s episode was outstanding, I like the ship to ship battles, fighter jet duels, close air support of ground forces. Very much like what we’ve seen throughout our history and what we’d see in real life today if there was an enemy who actually had a military for us to fight.
Tony737 on October 21, 2006 at 5:18 PM
Lee got fat because he got married! Must be the great home cookin’! (Happens to the best of us!)
Chappy on October 21, 2006 at 5:40 PM
Here’s a question. There are 12 cylon models…we haven’t met all 12 right? So could there still be cylons among them?
and oh, man! Starbuck got ripped off!! She’s seriously going to need counseling!
newfiewife on October 21, 2006 at 6:03 PM
I went out to walk the dogs before next week’s preview came on (I like going in fresh), so I have no idea what next week’s is about yet. I know I can’t wait though. The traitors (human police force) need to be dealt with. Since the engineer didn’t know who was giving him the information, it’ll be hard for Baltar’s assistant to claim credit for that. That’ll suck if he gets caught up in it.
Funny! You know they are gonna cop-out and have eye surgery on him sooner or later. Its hard to take pirates seriously :P
I always assumed it wasn’t the only one. That’d be silly to have only one of those. They paid a high price for blowing up that one resurrection ship; and I never thought it was worth it.
For yesterday’s episode, I applaud the producers for that BSG scene, dropping into the atmosphere, launching fighters and warping out again. I’ve never seen that done before on a science fiction series. Its tough to be unique and that was very unique! They are gonna get a christmas card for that!
lorien1973 on October 21, 2006 at 6:05 PM
BEST. BSG. EVAR.
They did an amazing job with the effects on this one. I think everyone who had seen the old BSG knew that the Pegasus had to be lost.
“This is the first episode I have seen so I’m a little lost. But it was interesting. I like the differing ethnicities and the unity of the human race.”
You picked a great episode to start watching the series at, but Much of this series is about how humanity is not united. The next episode will most likely focus on the divide between the resistance/resistance sympathizers and the New Caprica Police. I hope most of the NCP are punished, but if they kill off Gaeta I’ll be upset.
Eric12470210 on October 21, 2006 at 6:28 PM
That was an excellent episode.
Crashing Galactica through the atmosphere to surprise them, brilliant.
I loved the line when the Viper pilot was taking off, “this is gonna be different.” Great.
mesablue on October 21, 2006 at 7:02 PM
I did enjoy the old show, and I enjoy the new one. The old BSG was space opera, pure and simple; I had read on a BBS somewhere that it was, in many ways, very reflective of Glen Larson’s Mormonism (which is just fine by me, even though I’m Catholic).
The reimagined BSG is darker, is sexier, and is different in just about every way imaginable, save the basic premise, but like all good sci fi, it is and continues to be socially relevant. It is a desperate rag-tag group of survivors making a last stand against an enemy that wants not just to do them harm, but to wipe them out.
Now, I don’t care what your opinion on the war on terror is; you simply have to have a heart of stone to not identify with a single character in this series. Virtually every episode so far has left me wondering, “What would I have done? How would that make me feel?” It tugs on the heartstring, makes you laugh sometimes, makes you giddy sometimes, has nearly made me cry a few times, but it has always made me think.
Intelligent TV. Wow. If you don’t mind being challenged, go out and get every episode off of ITunes or DVD that you can find. I think BSG is one of the best shows currently on television.
gryphon202 on October 21, 2006 at 7:16 PM
If you didn’t shed a tear when Adama sent Lee back to the Pegasus, Adama knowing he probably wouldn’t come back alive, you aren’t a human being.
And when Pegasus blew up, sacrificing itself for the Galactica and the humans, another tear jerker.
That pretty well sums it up, why its sooo good.
lorien1973 on October 21, 2006 at 7:22 PM
I was cheering for Pegasus and watching for it to take out another baseship with the debris… it didn’t let me down… two for the price of one… Go Pegasus Go!
E L Frederick on October 21, 2006 at 8:18 PM
It’s also been a year since the election and Baltar’s decision to setup a colony on New Caprica. Plus the months between Galactica’s tatical retreat…
The fact that you have Capria 6 and the original Sharon; who were on Caprica last season, means that these cylons could of brought a whole new ressurection ship from the 12 colonies.
On the religious bit…
Council of 12, 12 apostles…12 colonies, 12 tribes of Israel, Earth being the lost tribe…
In some ways this BSG is more religious than the 80′s verison. I don’t recall any talk of a prophet or any miracles or visions or mystic “arrow of athena” in the 80′s verison.
Darker, edger, less cheesy… just good stuff…
This show just wouldn’t make it as “Roddenberry-ized” Sci-Fi. In many ways, Star Trek et all really neutered sci-fi.
Between Babylon 5, and now BSG… it’s nice to see a series with guts that hasn’t been dumbed down with neutered characters.
E L Frederick on October 21, 2006 at 8:27 PM
After watching last night I would have to think last nights episode should have been the seasons premiere instead of the previous episodes…Im watching battlestar galactica to watch some battlestar action, not some on-planet tent scenes…
noodlehead on October 21, 2006 at 8:32 PM
Personally, I like STARGATE much better.
immigration inspectr on October 21, 2006 at 8:38 PM
Stargate has pasts its prime. Wasn’t it cancelled anyways?
Babylon 5 was great. I loved the final seasons of that. Lando was my favorite character.
Mr. Morden: What do YOU want?
Ambassador Vir Cotto: I’d like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price. I want to look up into your lifeless eyes and wave like this.
[waves]
Ambassador Vir Cotto: Can you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?
LOL. Last couple of episodes, Lando does get to wave at the guy’s head too. Funny stuff.
lorien1973 on October 21, 2006 at 8:46 PM
That’s actually a typo on IMDB FYI. I’m 100% certain Lando said that, not Vir.
lorien1973 on October 21, 2006 at 8:47 PM
No, you got it right–Vir said it when Morden accosted him in the Zocalo. Also, it was Vir who waved at Morden’s head in the courtyard.
Matt Helm on October 21, 2006 at 9:12 PM
I disagree Lorien. I’m trying to stay clear of these threads because they are basically Fan threads, and I don’t want kill anyone’s buzz.
But to weigh in once, so I don’t explode, (apologies–personal flaw) (1) I really hate it, and (2) [deleted buzz-killing long explanation]
But I keep watching this train-wreck of John Kerry supporters trying to write that war is bad, speculating about whether man is worth saving, “aren’t people just machines made from meat?” and “suicide bombings: one man’s terrorist is another man’s hero, yes?” and other things I’ve already answered and don’t have any interest in … because … because …
–they keep doing things like dropping the Galactica into the atmosphere from a low orbit, which launches air cover as it falls and jumps out before it hits the ground!
Damn! That goes on the list. With Solo popping Vader so Luke can take his shot. With “–we’ve engaged the Borg,” Wolf 359 and everything connected.
I can’t … I can’t make myself not watch … if they keep dropping Galactica into the atmosphere. Must … see … Galactica … dropping … into … atmosphere.
(hangs head) I’m a junky.
I think 5 was different. That was good writing. Strong, healthy people with different points of view, peppered with real flaws. The story unfolded as moral people made moral choices. But Galactica’s writers write everyone broken and knock them against each other, MTV’s “Real World” style of real. Most of the “Days of Our Lives” aspect of the show would go away if they would just pass out prozac.
Axe on October 21, 2006 at 9:30 PM
Just saw the episode I tivoed
Best show on TV hands down
Defector01 on October 21, 2006 at 9:37 PM
I love this show, watched all of season 1 on TV and all of 2 in Iraq (thank you ITUNES).
Not sure I like the “political” statements made at the start of season 3. The use of words (“Insurgents” and “collaborators”)… and the “Human Police” force in black ski masks and body armor. To me this is a weak attempt at moral equivalency as they try to say we would do the same thing as the terrorists in Iraq… problem with that is twofold. 1. the situation is NOT the same and 2. so what if we would do the same thing if the situation is reversed. In war your enemy are people just like you. They have families and friends. The difference is THEY ARE YOUR ENEMY… and you kill them.
Maybe I’m just sensitive as I just got back.
BadBrad on October 21, 2006 at 9:44 PM
C’mon people. Think.
Axe on October 21, 2006 at 9:47 PM
You make some good points Axe. I do think there is a little too much pacifism throughout the show. I have not gotten into it, really, cuz well … galactica dropping in from orbit to launch fighters is sooo cool…so unique…so creative…
But if you want a list of things I have problems with in this show…here’s the short list:
1-why is there a democracy on the colonial fleet? You are in a fight for your life. The time to decide who your leader is is gone. Your leader is Adama. Till he’s dead or you find someone better.
2-why are there civilians at all? This is a fight for your life. Everyone is a warrior. Teach them to fly, teach them to man the cannons. Weaponize the colonial ships. Survive. Kill bad robots. Civilians? What a quaint concept.
3-Press briefings? Press briefings? You want a press briefing? they want to kill you press people, just like everyone else. Go learn to fly and blow up stuff. Geesh.
You should have been me last season pounding my head against the wall with all the political wrangling. Hello. Does anyone not remember their planet was blow to shit. why are you all debating wheather or not abortions should be allowed. Of course they shouldn’t! You need bodies, idiots.
I think you have to look past all of that and look at the military people. Adama willing to give his life to save the people on New Caprica. Even though these same people thought he was wrong to keep Galactica in orbit. Knowing he was gonna die, but do it anyways.
lorien1973 on October 21, 2006 at 10:05 PM
Adama makes it possible for me (and, for now–Caprica). I pretty much watch it exactly the way you suggested.
You know, if they were doing more I think I could get into it more. For example, when they built the blackbird, I started getting really interested. But they are kinda busy having crisis (plural of crisis?) and developing the “next generation” thing, which is, of course, the point.
Thanks Lorien. I can see you are really into it, and I appreciate you making room for my opinions on it as well. Thought you might flame me :)
Axe on October 21, 2006 at 10:20 PM
BadBrad. I don’t think you’re oversensitive to that at all. I have thought most of what you just wrote all along. The writers do seem to try to connect this series to current events/politics, but it doesn’t matter to me. If the cylons are supposed to be the parallel to America, then the failure in this analogy is that it was the cylons who attacked the colonies. The cylons, with one exception, are evil. It doesn’t matter how they are portrayed. Your second point can’t be more right. Both sides in BSG are brutal to their enemies. And why not? This is war, after all.
In the end, though, I just ignore the political analogies and take it at face value until after the show. I have trouble analyzing things like that while I’m watching cylons get blasted away.
Eric12470210 on October 21, 2006 at 10:31 PM
They did try martial law, in the beginning of second season, I think. It didn’t go over too well. My take on it was that they needed to have at least some semblance of how things used to be.
I agree, there are way too many non-combatants. But they did show how they were recruiting pilots from the fleet at one point. And how civilians were pressed into flight crew service. But keep in mind that the fighting with the Cylons is primarily through space battles. Not much room for ground combat. There’s not very many people who are going to be worth a crap flying a plane.
I have to agree with you. You’d think the people would be a lot more compliant with the military’s decisions. The way I take this show is that it’s a reflection of the GWoT. There’s a lot of people with different opinions on how it should be fought, if even fought at all. I see so many similarities with the modern day in this show. I guess that’s what has drawn me to it, in spite of Baltar driving me absolutely berserk every time he’s on.
Hack Ptui on October 21, 2006 at 10:47 PM
I’m a big fan too. And it’s going away. Thinning out everywhere I guess.
I disagree, but I understand your view on that; a lot of people share it. But right now I’d go for just about anything. I’ve got love/hate BGS, and last year’s Doctor Who. Eureka is ok, when it’s on. But nothing else in the pipe? heh. I gotta watch “Galaxy Quest” again?
Axe on October 21, 2006 at 11:29 PM
*bsg, of course.
Axe on October 21, 2006 at 11:30 PM
Three, really. She took out one with missile fire when she first arrived on scene, rammed the second, and got the third for dessert when the hangar spun out of the explosion (apparently, Battlestars are quite a bit tougher than Basestars). I thought the clear view of the inscription “Pegasus” on the nacelle as it spun out for the coup de grace was a nice touch.
It was a glorious exit for a “character” that had been around quite a while longer than anyone expected and in which there had been relatively little prior emotional investment. If only the “Star Trek” folks had treated the Enterprise D with that kind of respect…
(Sorry, had to throw that in for the Double Nerd Score.)
Blacklake on October 22, 2006 at 12:13 AM
I still need to go back and rewatch this scene, but when Tigh killed Ellen did anyone else get the sense that Ellen knew what was happening? She even said beforehand that she would do the exact same thing again, as if accepting her fate, before asking him for the cup. I need to rewatch it, but I got the impression she tried to make it easy for him.
And to answer someone’s earlier question, there are 12 models and we only know about 7 or so of them. There is 1)the Priest,
2) the Doctor (black guy),
3) Six,
4) Lucy Lawless,
5) The spikey-haired guy who was keeping Starbuck,
6) the slick talking PR guy,
7) Sharon, and ???
SO half of the fun is trying to figure out who the other 5 are. In the past I (and others) pondered the idea that Dualla and Gaeta are cylons. At one point Gaeta mentioned that the cylons looked like people now apparently, and that anyone could be a cylon… They then looked at each other, giggled, and went their separate ways. Kinda creepy. I’m still not convinced that they aren’t. :-)
DaveS on October 22, 2006 at 1:37 AM
Battle Whore Galactica: Rabbits in space
Drtuddle on October 22, 2006 at 1:59 AM
remember the “chopped liver” episode of pigs in space? the best part was that the chopped liver puppet was just a foam toilet brush died brown.
jummy on October 22, 2006 at 6:26 AM
… !
Axe on October 22, 2006 at 6:40 AM
Cylons we know of:
1) Br. Cavil (Dean Stockwell)
2) D’anna Biers (Lucy Lawless)
3) Six, Caprica Six, Head Six (Tricia Helfer)
4) Leoben Conoy (Kieth Rene-Callum) “Spikey hairguy”
5) Boomer, Sharon Valerii (Grace Park)
6) Aaron Doral (Matthew Bennett) “Slick PR guy”
7) Simon (Rick Worthy) “Black Dr.”
They are all recognized by Number to other Cylon, ie; Doral No.5, Six No.6, Sharon No.8, D’anna No.3
The remaining five “The Final Five” are unknown even to other Cylon to protect thier identities and the covert nature of thier existence and thier mission.
Okay I’m a geek what can I tell you…
Viper1 on October 22, 2006 at 6:53 AM
Brad, thank you for your service, you’ve done something much bigger than yourself and now my (yet to be born) daughter is much safer because of you. Thank you sir.
Tony737 on October 22, 2006 at 7:47 AM
Battlestar Galactica has turned out to be a terrific show, to my great surprise. It has expanded on the old series, and there remains enough unanswered questions to keep the show going for a few more years. The last episode was great, and I never thought that Tigh would off his wife. Perhaps the character will finally gain some backbone now.
Dr. Who is another decent show. I’ve followed it since the original movies made back in the 60′s, and am glad they continue to get decent writers for the show.
Stargate was great, but I think it has lost much of its former appeal. Hopefully the spin-off Atlantis has a few more seasons left in it.
DannoJyd on October 22, 2006 at 8:05 AM
Sorry, I can’t abide Stargate Atlantis, and all the hand wringing liberal nonsense. All of them need to die, except the one character with testicles (the guy the aliens hunted).
rightwingprof on October 22, 2006 at 9:47 AM
Just interjecting here… something that has been on my mind but haven’t found the right place to say it…
(Smallville) Lana Lang need to die! Damn she’s annoying!
E L Frederick on October 22, 2006 at 9:56 AM
Hey guys……I’ve started campaining to have O’Reilly do an extended interview with Robert Spencer. This is the last e-mail I sent:
Mr. O’Reilly,
There is a great lack of understanding in the government, the public, and (respectfully) yourself concerning the nature of the Islamic threat we face. You would do the public a huge service and myself a personal favor by interviewing Robert Spencer in an extended interview. The nation would benefit greatly if it could be educated beyond generalities about what it is we are fighting, not only militarily, but politically and culturally as well.
If you think this would be a good idea, please write to oreilly@foxnews.com and ask for him to invite Mr. Spencer on the show. My person opinion here, but I think O’Reilly needs the education the most.
Thanks
P. James Moriarty on October 22, 2006 at 11:36 AM
As for the “everyone is in the military” angle, there is definitely that point of view, especially amongst the old guard veterans (Adama and Tigh), but they are one voice among many. You can see Tigh seething when the old man is down, he’s in control and the civilian authority is pestering him. I think they handled it well.
An especially insightful episode is the one where Xena does the documentary. Notice which characters are regular colonial fleet, and which ones are reserve. Compare and contrast the way they’ve acted all through the series and you can tell there’s a difference.
when it comes to resurrection, the Cylons *were* resurrecting on New Craprica, as Leonben did after Starbuck forked him over. Cavil even mentioned that it hurts more each time (as the insurgents were blowing them up with some regularity). There was no resurrection ship over New Craprica, so they must have built one on the planet. Is that what they wanted to nuke?
shirgall on October 22, 2006 at 11:59 AM
I think Bill is really a Cylon
Viper1 on October 22, 2006 at 12:20 PM
Cylons continued…(In the first season it was established that there were 12 models total, both mechanical and skinjob)
So you have to include
8) The Centurions
9) The Raiders which are independent entities, remember the Scar episode?
Now it hasn’t been determined if the Cylon capital ships are sentient, if that’s the case, the Base Star would be 10 and the Resurection Ship 11. Leaving only 1 unknown.
Personally I don’t think Moore will come out with many more skinjob types. That smacks of poor writing.
Iblis on October 22, 2006 at 1:44 PM
Battlestar Roddenberryca, what BSG would be like if Roddenberry had produced it.
rightwingprof on October 22, 2006 at 1:50 PM
I missed the start of it (both showings) when is it repeated??
JavaJoe on October 22, 2006 at 2:57 PM
Two weeks ago wasn’t there a brief clip during the previews for this past week’s episode where Baltar asked “So I’m a Cylon?” and Six replies something about “Why do you think [something I missed]?”
keylime on October 22, 2006 at 4:54 PM
A break from BSG to celebrate the Bucs making a 62 yard field goal to beat the hated Eagles! Bucs own the Eagles! 2002 NFC Championship (won, shut down the Vet); 2003 first game of the season (won, opened up the new stadium properly with a shutout victory), and now 23-21 (62 yard field goal, 2nd longest in NFL history). 0wn3P.
lorien1973 on October 22, 2006 at 5:05 PM
Of course the destruction of the Pegasus is available on youtube –
short version
long version
I never had any real attachment to the Pegasus. The destruction of the Defiant, now that was a downer.
rw on October 22, 2006 at 5:10 PM
This was the best BSG, and the best TV period, that I’ve run into in years. But I think it’s too easy to try to read the parallels to modern politics, which leads to misunderstanding and inevitably you only see the politics & lose site of the drama.
I think Heinlein had it right when he pointed out that a piece of art has to be judged solely on whether or not it is something you’d rather spend your money on instead of buying beer. If it is, then the artist succeeded; if not, he’s a hack.
The original BSG was profoundly anti-pacifist; every time the colonists started to trust the Cylons they got reamed. Well, isn’t that happening here? New Caprica just about wiped them out; even if we think that the producers are casting the US as the bad guys -whether we’re the colonists, Cylons, or insurgents- it seems like our allegorical US has to keep shifting and I admit I’ve lost strack of the players.
Have we not noticed the larger reality; even though every side is doing things that seem to be “wrong” i.e. the insurgents are killing traitors, Baltar’s government is Vichy, and the Cylons are unremittingly evil – every human faction is doing things they never imagined before the war (giving up thier humanity, a la Dresden), or killing those who aren’t pure (a la the jihadists) – I think that’s a valid criticism/observation of war. It makes us do things we’d rather not and we’re never the same afterwards.
And yet – the humans are unlikely to be swayed by pacifism again. Some probably will, and I predict that just like in the original BSG (which was written during the height of the Cold War) the pacifists will continue to be shown to be fools & dupes.
nauticalbear on October 22, 2006 at 6:30 PM
From conversations with the Producers, and one of the writers wives, to think Iraq/US is wrong though the paralells are hard to ignore, think Vichy, it what they were going for with the New Caprica bit.
Viper1 on October 22, 2006 at 6:45 PM
Viper1, great name for this thread … or are you an F-16 pilot?
Baltar is John Kerry, and yes, he does represent Vichy.
Tony737 on October 22, 2006 at 6:57 PM
The one that was on the Pegasus which Baltar gave the nuke to, Gina
Taleena on October 22, 2006 at 9:23 PM
Is there anything one can one learn from Battlestar Galactica, that one can then apply to warfare against Islam? Would viewing it from that angle make it both more fun to watch and more useful?
Kralizec on October 22, 2006 at 9:35 PM
Battlestar Hotairica:
Commander Malkin leads a ragtag band of survivors in search of a new planet to call ‘Home’ after the dhimmicrats, lead by Senator John Balterry (D-Mass), won an election and surrendered to the cylamo-fascists. After converting to cylam, the dhimmi’s helped the cylamo-fascists hunt down the remaining Republicolonials who must now fight for their very survival.
Tony737 on October 22, 2006 at 10:12 PM
Does anyone think the short previews right before the show should stop? They can be spoilers.
Drtuddle on October 23, 2006 at 1:39 AM
No not an F16 pilot, just a BSG fan. And yeah John Kerry is Baltar, I live in Boston, I should know.
If you watch youll see many pertinent story lines emerge with paralells to real world situations, often times turning the tables on right and wrong behaviors, the last ep was instrumental in achieving that. Watching from the mini series on though gives one a more complete picture of what these people are experiencing.
Ive often thought that, Ive even seen when they have shown snips of scenes from the following weeks ep.
V1
Viper1 on October 23, 2006 at 6:51 AM
She was the best designed ship in all of Trek’s history.
allie on October 23, 2006 at 9:52 AM
Good episode. Lot’s of action and fighting, death of one of the show’s most annoying characters (Helen Tigh), Fatty McGee coming to Galatica’s rescue…I give this show a thumbs up.
Benaiah on October 23, 2006 at 10:05 AM
Two words: Galactica and Atmosphere. Wow.
antoniojvr on October 23, 2006 at 10:29 AM
Love the current series. Hated the original as it was just a live action Saturday morning cartoon. I found Babylon 5 to be barely tolerable. It was predictable, cheesy writing and full of smarmy self-indulgence. I found it to be of the same class as Xena, Hercules, the original BSG and Buck Rogers. It only seemed good because there had only been crap to compare it too.
To the point of “Why isn’t every one in the military since they are in a war for their lives?” Well, much could be said for the US and the GWOT and yet we have nearly as many people resisting the idea–I think BSG has nailed EXACTLY what would happen with humans faced in this scenario. The Cylons are portrayed as the heartless bloodthirsty killers and yet many are still willing to try and work something out. I think BSG has it bang on. The reality is humans will follow an emergency based martial law style government for a very short term as can be witnessed after any natural disaster activity. Once the initial chaos is passed people begin to chafe at the martial life. The military life does not fit everyone.
As for the somewhat left leaning stance of the political aspect–sure, but they aren’t far off from what is happening in our world today.
Side Note: I can actually claim to be an ex-Viper driver. :D 48th FIS in their transition from ADC to the FANG and then 86th TFW at Ramstein before their move to Aviano. USAF, Capt, 1988-1995. Did my UPT at Columbus, MS.
Faith1 on October 23, 2006 at 10:48 AM
“Love the current series. Hated the original as it was just a live action Saturday morning cartoon. I found Babylon 5 to be barely tolerable. It was predictable, cheesy writing and full of smarmy self-indulgence. I found it to be of the same class as Xena, Hercules, the original BSG and Buck Rogers. It only seemed good because there had only been crap to compare it too.”
Hear, hear!
As for everybody in the military, Captain Ed has an article about whether Star Trek was fascist that you might be interested in reading (read the comments too).
rightwingprof on October 23, 2006 at 11:24 AM
Adama say: “There’s a reason you separate the military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.”
I think the series has explained the ‘whys’ – Tigh’s heavy handedness and martial law episodes and the episodes when the Pegasus comes on scene – the discussions between Admiral Cain (original Pegasus CO) and Adama, her command ruthlessness (presumably executed her first XO for questioning her orders, etc.) and what she did to her tagalong civilian fleet – drafted those she found useful for the fight, left the rest for dead. Unchecked power vs. the separation of power.
blogRot on October 23, 2006 at 12:16 PM
SOrry, but I think the “short” term would be less short than you think. We are talking about the survival of the human race.
The military life may not fit everyone, but those people would tend to get weeded out. They are living in a brutal world. Only the toughest people would be able to hack it. Eventually, the tough would get tired of draggin along the dead weight, and would start to have purges, like what will be happening in this next episode. I think in reality, this would have already happened.
The left-leaning nature of virtually everything that happens in Hollywood is reflected in much of the writing for this show, but it reflects the leftist lack of real understanding of what would really happen. WIth so much reduction of humanity, there would be less civilization, and things would start to approach a more tribal social dynamic with a lot less politics and due process. It would likely fall somewhere between Adama’s decency and fatherly care and Cain’s almost meaningless brutality. It would be more like caring brutality (gasp, the very thought!).
urbancenturion on October 23, 2006 at 12:59 PM
The Galactica in a controlled crash towards the planet …
Launching the Vipers at the last minute …
Galactica then doing the Light Speed thingie seconds before it would have crashed …
Vipers screaming all across the sky, blowing up Cylons and taking names …
Ya gots Balls of Blue Steel, Adama. FINALLY an episode that gave hope, had a lot of pure action … and didn’t delve into contemporary politics.
shamalama on October 23, 2006 at 1:45 PM
I’m still digging the BSG Hotairica
Can I be Lee? maybe make Kristen Starbuck? and Ann Coulter for #6
Defector01 on October 23, 2006 at 4:55 PM
Then dear God, can I be Baltar?!?!?!!!
urbancenturion on October 23, 2006 at 5:58 PM
No no no. Honora is Baltar.
Axe on October 24, 2006 at 2:45 AM
“Honora is Baltar” HA! Funny stuff! Hey, it was MY idea! That means I get to decide who I am … hhmmm let’s see, I think I’ll be Commander Malkin’s husband! WOOO HOOOO!
Faith1, thank you for your service, did ya do Desert Storm? I was an AMMO o guy at Spangdahlem, we had Vipers (F-16 Falcons to you civilians) and F-4G Weasels (Phantoms).
Tony737 on October 24, 2006 at 7:17 AM
They need to bring back Firefly. That show had potential, and the movie Serenity was great!
DannoJyd on October 24, 2006 at 9:01 AM