Moderate Muslims

posted at 8:39 am on October 19, 2006 by Bryan

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Great Jihad Watch as always, Robert. And these are *moderate* Muslims. Riiiiiight.

dalewalt on October 19, 2006 at 9:17 AM

Shout this from the rooftops!
Moderate Muslims are more likely to be “hunted people” than persons of influence in Islam!

As ever, great Vent from Mr Spenser. He scares me every week but with people like him on the case, we have a fighting chance.

labwrs on October 19, 2006 at 10:01 AM

Just registered! Happy to get filled with HOT AIR!

Ben Hur

Ben Hur on October 19, 2006 at 10:44 AM

THAT’S the kind of truth the United States NEEDS to be seeing on it’s TV sets. IF the GOP loses in the next election, they have only themselves to blame, for NEGLECTING to inform a sleepy America as to the REAL threat she, and the world, faces from true Islam.

Oh, but wait, that’d be too PC for Americans to handle. I forgot that the only religion that can be vilified(by truth or otherwise), is christianity.

Oh well, it appears that the faux “religion of peace” just hasn’t put the hurt to the West enough yet to wake them up from their ignorant stupor. Maybe electing democrats who want to stick the United States head in the sand and pretend that all is well with the world, ignoring the huge truth expressed in this one video blog, will help the situation somehow. Or, not.

NRA4Freedom on October 19, 2006 at 10:46 AM

Great work Robert! Thanks for being the voice of reason!

Can somebody explain to me how these folks can’t be held criminally responsible for making death threats? Surely some of these people are Canadian citizens making the threats, no?

The only way to stop this is to hold people responsible for their actions by the law of the land, not sharia.

Ben in Boston on October 19, 2006 at 10:47 AM

Thanks for what you do, Robert, educating the public about what is really going on is a very important task. We simply can’t get this information any other way.

tarpon on October 19, 2006 at 10:47 AM

Informative as always. I’m still trying to get my hands on a copy of his new book. I loved his previous one “Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades)”. If you haven’t read it, check it out.

Lone Star on October 19, 2006 at 11:23 AM

Great work Robert. I had never heard of either of these people. Thanks!!

rabid fanatic on October 19, 2006 at 11:23 AM

This is becoming an excellent weekly feature on HotAir, and I certainly hope it continues.

thirteen28 on October 19, 2006 at 11:31 AM

I concur, great work, Robert – as usual. Maybe I’ll try out his new book after Christmas, right now I’m waiting for Mark Steyn’s “America Alone”.

As for the topic at hand, I was surprised to find moderate, critical Muslims actually representing somebody at all, because so far that not really can be seen as the norm (CAIR, all the various German Muslim groups who at best pay lipservice to the constitution). Well, I hope they remain alive and maybe reach some of the more willing Muslims with their voices. But I would not bet on it.

THAT’S the kind of truth the United States NEEDS to be seeing on it’s TV sets. IF the GOP loses in the next election, they have only themselves to blame, for NEGLECTING to inform a sleepy America as to the REAL threat she, and the world, faces from true Islam.

They’ll have only themselves to blame anyway. If they don’t stand up against the Democrats, if they fail to put their politics through Congress despite being the majority, if they jeopardize the good of the many for the good of their own, they pretty much deserve to loose in both chambers.

Wired German on October 19, 2006 at 11:35 AM

Hey, this is very nice. I like the way you have everything placed. I would move the sofa over near the window and center the tv. Where do I put the food? This is very comfortable. Wait a minute, who is that lurking in the dark corner? Looks like a liberal. Shine a light on him and he will run a hide.

right2bright on October 19, 2006 at 11:42 AM

It is a crying shame the the MSM is too deluded about Islam to put something like this in a broadcast segment.

Freddy Boy on October 19, 2006 at 12:05 PM

It’s true that too many people deny the nature of the threat. Sometimes I fear that, when they finally wake up, they will go completely off the deep end on the other side. When that happens, we may find ourselves involved in a true World War, like hasn’t been seen in over 60 years.

irving on October 19, 2006 at 12:13 PM

A moderate Muslim speaks out, and suddenly he or she is the focal point of a fatwa. Is there any wonder so few moderate (and I use the term loosely) Muslims speak out? I don’t blame them for a second. We’ve all seen what happens to non-Muslims who dare to insult Islam.

Thanks for opening the comments, y’all. And greetings from the hinterlands known as North Carolina!

MarineDad on October 19, 2006 at 12:34 PM

We should fully understand our religion. Fighting is a part of our religion and our Sharia [an Islamic legal code]. Those who love God and his Prophet and this religion cannot deny that. Whoever denies even a minor tenet of our religion commits the gravest sin in Islam.”
Osama bin Laden

Pure Islam….Just read the Koran.

storagemanager on October 19, 2006 at 12:34 PM

Kool

storagemanager on October 19, 2006 at 12:37 PM

There is no such thing as a “moderate Muslim,” because the Quaran forbids it with penalty of death. So much for a peaceful religion. It’s like the old saying: “you’re either with us, or against us.” Clearly, if you’re a Muslim and oppose some parts of Islam, you can lose your life or head.
Islam is written very clear in a short read by Bat Ye’or.
Dhimmitude
Dhimmitude: History: Jihad
History of Jihad by Bat Ye’or

The relations of Muslims and non-Muslims were set in a context of a war: jihad. Its justification by Qur’anic verses and hadiths provides to jihad, the war against non-Muslims, a theological base. Jihad establishes a single pattern for relations between Muslims and non-Muslims and is central to their relationship. Jihad can be examined at three levels: its doctrine, its institutions, and its historical manifestations.

The ideology of jihad was conceived after Muhammad death. It encompasses a doctrine aiming at the Islamization of the world, supported by military institutions and tactics of war, all being considered as binding the Islamic community (umma). Jihad represents the Islamic worldview of war and peace, it constitutes a specialized domain of Islamic theology and law.
Jihad doctrine divides the peoples of the world into two irreconcilable groups: the dar al-Islam (the land of Islam) and the dar al-harb, (land of war) the non-Muslim world, destined to come under Islamic jurisdiction either by the peaceful conversion of its inhabitants, or by armed conflict. Jihad is the permanent state of war of the dar al-Islam against infidels until they submit to Islamic domination. Peace is accepted only temporarily according to circumstances. The institution of jihad regulates the conduct of war according to religious rules.br>

byteshredder on October 19, 2006 at 12:44 PM

Thanks for opening registration.

SnowKat on October 19, 2006 at 12:45 PM

Good piece…. and points out a very disturbing fact…

The MSM and our own PC government, has a blind spot when it comes to a militant religion. It can’t seem to wrap its mind around the FACT that Islam itself, in its current form, IS the problem. They find it “distasteful” (actual comment) to discover that you CAN’T have Freedom of religion, if the religion itself is teaching hate and killing.

“Moderate” Moslems have no power, as power in that culture stems from the barrel of a gun… its very interesting that the High Cleric in Iran ALWAYS is armed when giving his sermons… as dictated by one of Mohameds sayings… last week it was an assault rifle.

Soooo… we have a bunch of religious fanatics who will kill for their beliefs, faced off by a few “moderate moslems” who will talk for theirs….

Romeo13 on October 19, 2006 at 12:46 PM

One of the most important and to the point HA vents yet.

We do need to pass this around, digg it ,email it, anything to keep this in front of people.
Muslim changes his mind, and is killed for it.
Thx HA & RS.

shooter on October 19, 2006 at 1:08 PM

I have a number of Muslim friends and work acquaintances. Most are pretty mellow– the Islamic equivalents of Episcopalians, I suppose. Those who actually practice Islam are notably emotional. Say a single trigger word, like “Israel”, and they go off.

Even if Islam has a “silent majority”, Its silence is deafening.

RogerOnTheRight on October 19, 2006 at 1:11 PM

Robert,

Great Vent!

In my opinion the reason most Americans (maybe non-Muslims in general) don’t grasp the vastness of the problem is because of the use of term “moderate” to describe would-be reformers in Islam. So it goes, if the majority of Muslims are “moderate”, then why are only a few speaking out against the terror? They are lumping themselves into a category that is heavily populated by closeted conservative Muslims, those in the middle who call themselves moderate who still believe and support the literal interpretations of the Koran.

I think reformers are making a mistake by referring to themselves as moderates even though they may see themselves that way within Islam. What they really are are “modern Muslims”. I think that word better describes the difference between the 7th century and 21st century.

Texas Gal on October 19, 2006 at 1:21 PM

Makes you wonder who the actual extremist are in Islam? The peaceful ones … or the fascist ones?

ChipDaddy on October 19, 2006 at 1:22 PM

I used to work with a Pakistani Muslim. He was an engineer, and looked like any other well-dressed, well-spoken college grad. At the time (before 9/11) I was trying to understand his views, and we had a number of great conversations. But once, after a long discussion, he told me ‘the day will come when we will push Israel into the sea.’ Another time, he told me if anyone he knew slandered Mohammed, he was under obligation to kill them. As I said, this was before 9/11, not to mention the recent political cartoon scandals. And this was a guy I would have initially labeled a ‘moderate’ Muslim.

Jonathon on October 19, 2006 at 1:28 PM

Thanks to the powers-that-be for opening registration. I’ve been a regular viewer of Vent for a few months now, and a Hot Air reader since September, so I’m glad of the opportunity to occasionally contribute.

Great Jihad Watch, Robert. I think that us Canadians’ perception of Islam is that it is more liberalized than Islam elsewhere, yet that more moderate image is largely a veneer. On the contrary, two years ago Mohamed Elmasry, the president of the Canadian Islamic Congress, went on television and argued that any Israeli over 18 is a legitimate military target.

Ransom on October 19, 2006 at 1:28 PM

Why is it that we are encouraged to support the moderate Muslim revolutionaries, and not even tolerate American revolutionaries?

Revolutionary thought is ok when it coincides with the Washington Concensus, but not when there is a possibility of upsetting the apple cart.

How very convenient for the establishment.

GregH on October 19, 2006 at 1:30 PM

Ephesians 6:14-17

Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

GoodBoy on October 19, 2006 at 1:40 PM

I also give this verse… I believe this is what the world is up against. Im just a regular joe. not a preacher.. but Rosie wouldnt like me too much lol

Ephesians 6:12

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

GoodBoy on October 19, 2006 at 1:54 PM

Robert Spencer answered a question I have been wondering for quite some time. Are the “moderate Muslims” really in the majority, like everyone says? I’ve suspected that no, they are not, but didn’t have anything to base that on.

Extremist Muslims, or Islamofascists can apparently seem outwardly peaceful and well meaning, but be quietly supportive of Islamofascist tactics?

Nice Deb on October 19, 2006 at 2:24 PM

RogerOnTheRight:

You have expressed my point that Islam itself is something to be repelled and ejected precisely.

A ‘nominal’ Muslim might be peaceful, but a practicing, serious Muslim is a danger. Why should be have any faith that the nominal Muslim (or their children) will stay peaceful?

Ethelred

Ethelred on October 19, 2006 at 3:11 PM

I have been trying for years to get people like Michelle, O’Reilly, Hannity, and most recently, Glenn Beck to stop distinguishing between radical, militant, fundamentalist, political Islam and some other ‘religious’ Islam, where the former believers are Islamofascists and terrorists while the latter believers are somehow benign.

Michelle is coming around, but I have given up on O’Reilly and Hannity, but not Glenn Beck. We should shower him with emails about the true nature of Islam itself, from its founding by Muhammad until now, and I believe he will start saying the truth on the air.

If you are under the misapprehension that there is some pure, peaceful Islam out there (as Daniel Pipes still professes), (1) please point it out anywhere in world where Islam rules and (2) go to FaithFreedom.org and read the writings of Ali Sina, one of the most prominent ex-Muslims who has dedicated his life to destroying Islam.

Ethelred

Ethelred on October 19, 2006 at 3:35 PM

It is ALL political BS generated by the relativists. I am not much of a GBeck fan but his moniker ‘It’s about RIGHT and WRONG’ hits home with me. Im a republican, but when I hear all the politically correct BS I want to puke. It is simple. If you WANT to KILL innocent people you are WRONG.
Don’t matter to me if you are Usama or McVey. I believe the American people just want to hear the common sense. All this PC nonsense is the cause of all our disagreement. Tell it like it is and get the hell on with it. To equate everything as having equal standing is like letting a dog crap in the house just because he is a dog.

Limerick on October 19, 2006 at 3:36 PM

Mr. Spencer-

Once again, an excellent and revealing Vent.

The crux of the modern dilemma with Islam is: how can a peaceful, “moderate Muslim” ever win against those militant jihadist Muslims who will not listen to any humanizing and modernizing critiques of the dismal dogmas of homicidal Islam?

True-believer Mohammedans will only and always resort to terror and slaughter as their “answer” to any serious Koranic “reform”. Based on the “prophet” Mohammad’s enshrined example as the divine warlord of Allah.

You cannot be moderate with the murderously immoderate.

The jihadists need the “reply” from our side of: being hunted down to insignificantly harmless numbers.

And their silent “enablers” in the Muslim community will then be freed from the intolerant intimidation of the Killer Krazies of the Koran. Which is when we will finally see their true nature. Are they truly “moderate”, or merely weak, larval jihadists?

A shame the despised infidels have to do their job for them.

Keep up the good work!

Spread the dread.

profitsbeard on October 19, 2006 at 3:40 PM

May God bless and keep Mr. Spencer free from harm.

Looking forward to his latest book!

MrBuzzcut on October 19, 2006 at 4:02 PM

Excellent Vent. Just excellent. That’s basically what it comes down to: whether there’s an intractable problem with Islam, or a great silent moderate majority within it, or whatever, the question is: should our policy be predicated on the assumption that the moderates will soon triumph in remaking Islam? Or on the possibility that they will not so triumph any time soon, or ever?

Alex K on October 19, 2006 at 4:28 PM

Alex I’m a simple Texas man. Homilies sometimes hold a hell of a lot more water then a novel. Sadly not many folks in America have read many of either, and if they have, odds are they have only read what they were told to read. To me the PC crowd is in that latter group. Maybe I’m just an old fart, but relativism to me is more dangerous to all of us then any other philosophy because without knowing where you are you have no idea where to go.

Limerick on October 19, 2006 at 4:55 PM

profitsbeard:

You are talking about killing 100s of millions of Muslims, which is logistically quite difficult. I have no problem morally.

The only solution I see is a full frontal attack on the very idea that Islam is an acceptable religion, that is an ‘Abrahamic’ faith, that it deserves to be allowed to exist in the US, that the mosques operate tax free. In other words, we should treat Islam (and by extension, Muslims) in exactly the same manner as Saudi Arabia treats Christians and Jews.

Then you will hear the shrieks from the ‘moderates’ who are not moderate at all, but silently hoping for the fall of the West.

Try to have any kind of discussion about the morality and behavior of Muhammad with a ‘moderate’ Muslim and see what happens.

The most insane thing is that what gets Muslims the most angry is not what we say about Islam or Muhammad, because what we are saying is true, but that it is we Infidels who are saying it!

Ethelred

Ethelred on October 19, 2006 at 5:38 PM

Moderate Muslims are more likely to be “hunted people” than persons of influence in Islam!

Thank goodness, someones finally getting the message out.

If there is such a thing as Moderate Muslims, they are more at risk of death from the Jihadists than are all of us non-Muslims.

Whoever thinks that Modertate Muslims can solve the problem of Jihad terrorism is smoking something they shouldn’t be smoking.

Lawrence on October 19, 2006 at 5:46 PM

Lawrence,

Ah…but there’s the rub!…….Christanity had the reformation, some were willing to risk being hunted instead of allowing a radical (inquisition) to control their religious thought…..this is where the moderates MUST organize if they are to survive. They will NOT survive if their do not fight back. By that I mean they won’t survive their OWN religion.

Limerick on October 19, 2006 at 5:57 PM

oh, happy day!

Reader since Day One; thanks for opening the doors to all of us.

Fighting rear-guard actions against leftist moonbats in the Big Ten,
socaworld

socaworld on October 19, 2006 at 6:02 PM

Great to be here. Guess my secret admiration of MM’s blogs over the years has finally paid off.

dapro on October 19, 2006 at 6:06 PM

went over this farm boy’s head….that I’ll give ya!
Oh well, guess I should just go feed the critters…..

Limerick on October 19, 2006 at 6:06 PM

It’s about time the word got out that the problem IS with Islam, and that it is not a religion of peace.

These people must be defeated.

JackM on October 19, 2006 at 6:11 PM

Unfortunately, President Bush still believes that religious people do not kill in the name of religion.

One Hadith, from which Robert quoted, states:

“If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.”

From that, it is clear that Muslims can kill, and do kill, in the name of religion.

How can he continue to delude himself in light of the ongoing Abdul Rahman situation.

The presidentis not a stupid man, but he is ignorant about Islam.

And he has chosen to remain ignorant about it.

That is inexcuseable.

PRCS on October 19, 2006 at 6:13 PM

can someone please help me here?

I remember when the the push for Sharia Law happened in my country of Canada, at first there were reports in the newspapers that there was a lawsuit, I’d like to explain first.

A university professer declared one of them a “blasphemer” I don’t remember if it was the woman or the man. The lawsuit was against the professor, for at least reckless endangerment.

Apparently not only does that make assassins hunt you but if she/he ever stepped foot in a muslim country he/she could be jailed or killed on the spot.

Anyways sorry for the blah blah context I was digressing, there is no info on the court case anywhere, google or otherwise. If anything happened it would set a precedent, and Canada would become the only country where “moderates” could speak.

Chachieb on October 19, 2006 at 6:14 PM

Ethelred…Sean Hannity will never come around.He was invited to the White House and asked by the President himself to lay off Islam.Sean had Walid Shoebat on his T.V. and Radio show and wouldnt let him tell the truth about Islam..He kept saying Islam was hijacked right?…Its being perverted right?

storagemanager on October 19, 2006 at 6:18 PM

Ok my question was, can anyone help me find out what the heck happenned? Did the courts side with the prophet of doom as Britain spain and Italy has already? I thought I was good at researching things but I can’t even find info on the original story I read in the globe and mail newspaper.

Chachieb on October 19, 2006 at 6:21 PM

storemanager:

Then I would go with Glenn Beck, who has said some outrageous (for the MSM) things and whom I feel would tell the truth if he were really convinced of it.

E

Ethelred on October 19, 2006 at 6:33 PM

Ethelred…Larry Elder gets it also

storagemanager on October 19, 2006 at 6:35 PM

Is Larry Elder on TV?

Glenn Beck is on CNN Headline News 7 & 9PM weekdays with repeats weekends.

If he would finally say, “I have been reading up on Islam, rather than just going to a mosque, and have found the most disturbing things that make me come to but one conclusion – Islam is evil,” then millions of people each night would begin to know the truth.

Ethelred on October 19, 2006 at 6:40 PM

I witnessed a demonstration of Muslims in front of the White House during the Lebanese war in August. It was basically a pro-Hezbollah rally where at least five thousand people marched to literally sing the praises of Hezbollah and castigate America as responsible for the war along with Israel and George Bush and transnational corporations and the US dollar and General Electric. Muslims came by car, by Metro, by bus from miles around, even other states, to wave the Hezbollah banner while marching a lap around the White House.

A year ago in May 2005, a Muslim lawyer named Kamal Nawash tried to organize a Muslim American “March Against Terrorism” here in Washington, DC. He was opposed by CAIR and the local mosques. Nawash said the local imams did not support the demonstration because they shared the terrorists’ goal of a Sharia state, though not their violent methods. Only fifty people showed up.

Think about that. Fifty Muslims show up for a demonstration against Islamic terror. Five thousand plus show up to demonstrate for an Islamic terror group, Hezbollah. In other words, Islamic terror gets one hundred times as much support from Muslims in America as efforts to reject it. One hundred times.

After comparing the turnout for those two events, it’s pretty obvious what is important to Muslims and what is not. They voted for terror with their feet.

Tantor on October 19, 2006 at 6:40 PM

Chachieb:
If you do a search on the Robert’s JihadWatch and DhimmiWatch sites, you may come up with some useful info on the Canadian case from a couple of years back. I’m pretty sure that JW/DW had some posts on this.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/
(you’ll find the search tools in the left side bar by scrolling down a little ways)

Probably worth searching on LGF as well:
http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/

Mellow on October 19, 2006 at 6:44 PM

I just registered as well! Thank you for having me.

Jihad Watch has been a great addition and this one is first class, thanks Robert.

Zorro on October 19, 2006 at 6:45 PM

Libs used to use the word “fundamentalist” a lot before 2001, pertaining to certain Christians. They don’t use the word anymore so that they can avoid using it regarding Muslims.

“Observant” is another good word. The “Observant Muslim” is the throat cutter.

Perchant on October 19, 2006 at 6:46 PM

Thanks Mellow I’ll check them out for sure!!!

Although I have a feeling I might get a little worked up reading the dhimmi directory.

Chachieb on October 19, 2006 at 7:10 PM

The just-released documentary Islam: What the West Needs to Know – An examination of Islam, Violence, and the Fate of the Non-Muslim World features a strong lineup of interviews with the likes of Walid Shoebat, Bat Ye’or, Robert Spencer and Serge Trifkovic.

The DVD is out and for sale on Amazon.
I received mine a few days after ordering and it’s a very interesting and IMHO important documentary to watch and share with friends and colleagues who are interested in trying to understand what islam and its followers are up to.

What the West Needs to Know is a more academic piece than the recently released Obsession, and is certainly more acurate e.g. it doesn’t make unfounded claims about “vast majorities of muslims being peaceful” and other such often-mouthed platitudes.
It’s also the first filmed documentary, of which I know, that takes an indepth look at islamic history; from the days of its warlord founder mahomed and the first major period of islamic conquest of the middle-east, Northern Africa, Spain and parts of France (ending at the battle of Poitiers), through to the genocide perpetrated against the Hindus (some 60 to 80 million Hindus were murdered by the mohamedan hordes), and the siege of Vienna in 1683.

Get it. It’ll be worth your time to watch it.

PS the official site is:
http://www.whatthewestneedstoknow.com/

Mellow on October 19, 2006 at 7:11 PM

Why are the Shia fighting in Iraq?….Maybe its because Muhammad told his followers the Mahdi-the Hidden Imam would return after this happens……..

Before the appearance of the one who will rise, peace be upon him, the people will be reprimanded for their acts of disobedience by a fire that will appear in the sky and a redness that will cover the sky. It will swallow up Baghdad, and will swallow up Kufa. Their blood will be shed and houses destroyed. Death will occur amid their people and a fear will come over the people of Iraq from which they shall have no rest.”

Ahmadinejad is going to make this happen…
He has said they can bring about the return of the Mahdi….He has said he was chosen for this cause.

storagemanager on October 19, 2006 at 7:18 PM

Wow. That’s a lot of hot air for one video. How do they do it?

lovemeImaLiberal on October 19, 2006 at 7:53 PM

@Mellow Thanks for the help but all I have found is sad disgusting disheartening news, apparently the professor was a “Dr” and although there isn’t a shred of the lawsuit it’s quite clear he must have won, it’s the same gentleman apparently who said publicly that any jewish male is fair game to attack via terrorism, and is a chum of that Galloway bastard. I was shocked to find pages asking for support for court cases like that one , I’m sure there are rich billionaire bin laden’s willing to fund all the way.

Chachieb on October 19, 2006 at 7:55 PM

Chachieb:

I don’t know if RS has much time to answer emails nowadays (what with his weekly appearances on HotAir ;-), but you could try mailing him asking for info on the Canadian case.
The JihadWatch email address for RS is:
[email protected]

PS I seem to recall that the motion to make sharia part of the Canadian legal system failed at the time. I don’t recall any subsequent courtcases or what their outcomes would have been.

PPS Just a thought, but seeing as you’re Canadian, the CCD may have some info for you:
http://canadiancoalition.com/forum/messages/18128.shtml

The CCD President seems to be aware of the islamists and their supremacist ideology.

Alastair Gordon, President
Canadian Coalition for Democracies
Web: http://CanadianCoalition.com
Email: [email protected]

Mellow on October 19, 2006 at 8:23 PM

It’s really sad that this isn’t the big focus in Ontario right now. Instead we are too busy complaining about our mayor or Stephen Harper’s upcoming bill.

BTW, thanks for opening up the registeration.

MarkyX on October 19, 2006 at 8:59 PM

Robert’s a hero.

tdau1997 on October 19, 2006 at 10:08 PM

Actually, I’m pretty sure this is impossible because Islam is the religion of peace. Haven’t you guys been reading the news?

greenpiece on October 19, 2006 at 10:45 PM

Slightly OT, but I think I will be forgiven …

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Congrats gang!

LissaKay on October 20, 2006 at 12:05 AM

Ethelred-

The number of potentially militant jihadist members of practicing Islam (which is probably only 1/2 of all Muslims, who, like most ‘religious’ people, simply simulate Mohammedan ‘motions’ -merely from cultural go-along-to-get-along habit- and are essentially indifferent average human beings mouthing the platitudes of their faith) may be about 5 % of all Muslims.

Five percent of 600,000,000 would be an unpleasant 30,000,000 worldwide. But they are not united in a mass, and could not ‘march’ anywhere.

But, since guerrilla warfare (cyber or sniper) is the modern method of the jihad, they do not need to be in one country or massed as one literal ‘army’.

They attack through online hacking, through propaganda media-savvy p.r. tricks, as in the videos (recently released images of coalition soldiers being shot by terrorist rifles and cameras) shown by seditious, suicidally-stupid CNN ‘journalists’, and through photoshopping their war lies to willing tools like Reuters, etc., etc., etc.

The number of that 30,000,000 potential true jihadists who are active fighters is probably no more than 300,000 at one time. But it only took 19 terrorists to cost us 3,000 dead and a trillion dollars or more in economic damage and new funding responses for increased security.

So, if no WMD’s are used by these hardcore Islamic Imperialists, then hunting down the top 300,000 maniacs may put the fear of God in the rest of the Muslim Ummah enough to calm them into some overall sanity.

That’s my hope, at least.

If a WMD is used by jihadists, then Islam may see millions of their members caught up in the enraged reaction by the West.

For their own sake, it would be best of they scoured these homicidal lunatics from their midst themselves.

But true courage* among Muslims is as rare than an original thought in Mohammed’s “Koran”.

(*And I do not mean pathetic excuse for ‘Muslim warrior courage‘ as shown by their suicide bombings or sniper attacks or IED’s or packs of zombie-banshee-psychopaths cutting off the heads of bound prisoners as such jihadi scum screech “Allahu Alkbar!” in a display of collective mindless cowardice)

Whether it is 300,000 -or even 30,000,000- we must do what it takes for our Civilization to survive this 7th century onslaught of terrorist intolerance and tyrannical nescience.

If they had our power, we would already all be dead.

That’s the difference between us.

We try to practice decency and restraint. Even in the face of beheading beasts mesmerized by a pedophile’s vendetta against the natural world.

They have the promise of a Whorehouse Heaven to spur their heartless lunacy.

We have the hope of a free future to stimulate our Resistence to this dismal madness.

profitsbeard on October 20, 2006 at 12:51 AM

profitsbeard:

You have no argument with me, although I think that your numbers are low. 1 in 10 Indonesian Muslim back violent jihad: LittleGreenFootballs

My point is that the ‘true’ Muslims use the masses by continually pointing to those ‘peaceful’ Muslims.

Islam AS A BELIEF SYSTEM must be banned and go-along-to-get-along Muslims must be met with such hostility that they are forced to face the truth and leave Islam or leave the West. Period

Ethelred

Ethelred on October 20, 2006 at 9:00 AM