Tag, you’re a politically correct idiot
posted at 2:45 pm on October 18, 2006 by Bryan
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Massachussetts–the state that once spawned enough tax rebels to shuck off the crown and create a whole new country is now home to a school that has banned tag. You know, the game kids play by running around chasing each other. Yeah. They banned that. And a bunch of other stuff that makes it good to be a kid.
Tag is now out during recess at Willett Elementary School in Attleboro.
So is touch football and any other unsupervised “chasing” games that are deemed to pose the risk of injury as well as liability to the school.
“It’s a time when accidents can happen,” said Principal Gaylene Heppe, in her second year at the helm of Willett.
Heppe included the new rule as part of a standardized set of playground rules that were not in play upon her arrival.
In doing so, she joined in a growing movement against traditional games played by young children in school gymnasiums and playgrounds. A few years ago, school administrators in the area, as well as around the country, took aim at dodgeball, saying it was an exclusionary and dangerous game. Modified versions now include softer balls and ways for children to re-enter the action.
This principal should be fired, her teaching license revoked and she should be subjected to a year of merciless playground teasing. And any lawyer who would entertain suing a school because a kid scraped a knee should be subjected to a year of dodgeball target practice.
(thanks to Ed)
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Esthier on October 18, 2006 at 2:49 PM
I just use that as my comment on this totally stupid decision.
vcferlita on October 18, 2006 at 2:50 PM
With a bowling ball.
infidel4life on October 18, 2006 at 2:51 PM
This principal should be fired, her teaching license revoked and she should be subjected to a year of merciless playground teasing. And any lawyer who would entertain suing a school because a kid scraped a knee should be subjected to a year of dodgeball target practice.
Here, here!
My state has gone wacko :(
Laura02420 on October 18, 2006 at 2:55 PM
The students should dress up as Indians (oops - Native Americans) and throw the Principal into Boston Harbour!
dallas94 on October 18, 2006 at 2:58 PM
Yes, because you know we don’t want our children to feel failure. Next up on the list: No class shall reward a grade lower than an A, and field trips will be regulated to the Hall of Fame, where they will temporarily apply pictures of children over the atheletes faces during the visit.
Kids need to be kids. They need to injury themselves (not too severely, of course) in order to grow and learn. Otherwise you’ll have isolated adults who can’t see the real world around them (aka liberals).
Enoxo on October 18, 2006 at 3:00 PM
Back in 2003, my children’s school banned tag. This was a year after they removed the swingset, because a boy jumped off and broke his arm. They also banned soccer and touch football.
I asked the principal about the banning, and she gave me some crap about keeping the kids safe. I asked her what she is going to do to the lunch menu in about a year when all of these kids get fatter because they are not allowed to run at recess.
She just smiled and walked away.
BlueStateBlues on October 18, 2006 at 3:05 PM
Wait a sec… we need kids to get more exersize, but we ban all the kid games…
what next? DDR for everyone instead of “recess”?!?
E L Frederick on October 18, 2006 at 3:06 PM
Massachussetts is a Sue Thy Neighbor state.
A state of Zero Tolerance and No Common Sense, and Political Correctness.
Thanks to Liberalism, TV Lawyers, Ambulance Chasers, and the Democratic Party.
Tea toddlers need not apply, cool aid drinkers welcome.
Kini on October 18, 2006 at 3:09 PM
Banning tag? What’s next, laser tag? Oh wait, that was banned last year. In Germany. No, really. As goes the EU, so go American liberals.
CP on October 18, 2006 at 3:18 PM
And the same time they probably complaining about how fidgety the kids are in class and want to put Ritalin dispensers at the door.
For all you touchy feely, panty waisted men who purport to be fathers, it is time for your voice to be heard in the hallowed halls of academia. (Unless of course you feel your child should never get hurt) Let the kids run and play. Accidents are going to happen sure, but I can also guarantee you that a child who sticks a bobby pin in an electrical socket or touches a hot eye on a stove has a much better understanding of electricity and the word hot.
Our society is making it so much easier to be violent in the manner displayed by the youths who beat up homeless people or think of nothing of doing drive by shootings because they have no concept of what it means to get hurt. Our children are so protected nowadays that a paper cut is cause to be driven by an ambulance to the nearest emergency room writhing in pain and with the added benefit of maybe winning life’s lottery and getting to a sue a doctor or hospital.
Damn it let kids be kids. Rough, tumble, knock down, boo boo inducing FUN. Did you ever notice that before they started drugging our kids and restricting their playground activities there weren’t incidents of somebody bringing guns to school to exact revenge. Get your frustration out on the playground not the hallway.
LakeRuins on October 18, 2006 at 3:21 PM
But phone banking for the Ned Lamont campaign will still be encouraged.
I seem to remember the standard recess games in 4th and 5th grade were Smear the Queer, Butts Up (handball variation where the losers had to line up against the wall and get drilled in the backside with a tennis ball by the winners) and Prison Ball (dodge ball on the basketball court with volleyballs instead of those wussy red four square balls).
Liberals would probably have coronaries thinking about those games.
rw on October 18, 2006 at 3:22 PM
The worst part is, this is actually better than another excuse I’ve heard before for banning tag at elementary schools: “Someone has to lose and that’s bad for a kid’s self-esteem.”
Gag.
Greg Tinti on October 18, 2006 at 3:26 PM
Butt’s up still lives at my kid’s school west of Boston.
Growing up just outside Boston we would play king of the mountain after snow storms when the city would dump snow on my school’s asphalt playground. Rules? They were simple just get the kid at the top off the top, keep repeating.
Rich on October 18, 2006 at 3:27 PM
Can somebody tell me what form of mental illness has taken hold in this country? Hell, I was was of the “near dead last to be chosen” kids, and damned clumsy on top of it, but if there’s one thing I learned it was how to PLAY, and across time exactly how little the presence of so-called adults (attend a Little League game if you’re not sure what I mean. I’ve broken up a few senseless fights in my time), referrees and other “helping hands” added to the experience. Somewhere between the bygone days of “The Little Rascals” careening downhill on a jerry-built “fire engine” (With a favorite the life lesson from Stymie…”I don’t know where we goin’, but we’re on our way!) and wrapping our young today in enough padding to prep them for the NFL, there has to be room for kids to play without being beset by legal beagles and moronic insurance hounds. I’d like to see this principal explain himself to someone who’d gone to that same school twenty years before, grew successful in a true learning and playing atmosphere, and had his or her son or daughter come home with a note that he or she’d gotten detention for playing tag! Get me a ringside seat for THAT little conversation. I’ll bring popcorn and try not to choke on the kernels.
52Ranger on October 18, 2006 at 3:27 PM
Just as we are entering a war that will rage for generations, we are raising our children to be delicate little fairies.
RedWinged Blackbird on October 18, 2006 at 3:28 PM
I was gonna comment, but I’m gonna just blog it, cause I need to wax rhapsodic and bring down the thunder on someone…
Ennuipundit on October 18, 2006 at 3:30 PM
… and the Pussification of America marches on …
makes me sick.
Hell, I got slaughtered in DodgeBall as a kid (grew too tall too early, could hardly walk let alone shuck-n-jive) and amazingly I’m not in therapy. Though I’m sure my lefty friends would like to put me there. HAH!
-FFOG
Fogpig on October 18, 2006 at 3:35 PM
Sounds like the Left’s favorite game these days.
We called it Kill the Man With the Ball, so as to avoid any confusion.
The games we played growing up in the Bronx, we’d probably be arrested for nowadays.
If you were caught wearing a helmet while riding a bicycle, you really got a beating.
JammieWearingFool on October 18, 2006 at 3:38 PM
Hear Hear to all of the above.
The results of the various PC policies evidence themselves from time to time in my office. As the first generation growing up in the PC world are entering the job market, you wouldn’t believe some of the interviews I have conducted and actions I have had to take for those that actually got hired.
Examples: 1) No, I wasn’t kidding. Your workday begins at 8:00am and ends at 5:00. 2) No, you can’t bring your dog to the office. I’m sure he will be ok at home even if he didn’t look good this morning. 3)Yes, this is your cubicle, the office with the windows is for someone who actually knows about this business. 4) And on and on and on……..
The best one is…I actually had a young woman’s mother call me and complain because I wasn’t paying her 24 year old daughter enough to live in the apartment she really wanted.
God help us when these pampered, unprepared for life, spoiled brats one day have to make a serious decision of consequence. The word no is not in their vocabulary.
BacaDog on October 18, 2006 at 3:52 PM
EXACTLY EL F - the kids will go straight to the couches and play video games… that someone will complain about, righlty so in a few cases, but no matter… we send the kids to the couches.
Fatten em up, dummy em up, insulate, isolate, flatulate.
Then we wonder why we have lonely overwieght angry kids? DUH.
The future call will be “to the couches”, not the mattress.
shooter on October 18, 2006 at 3:52 PM
Let’s play freeze tag
we hit them, they stay in place until we release them from it
Defector01 on October 18, 2006 at 3:52 PM
Those whacky liberals and their catch-22’s with their views.
SouthernGent on October 18, 2006 at 3:55 PM
Well…think what you will, but this is what happens when we live in a sue-happy, litigious society. I am an educator and I have lived through such lawsuit treachery. And I live in Tennessee! Parents will sue at the slightest thing. I would rather not play dodgeball than end up in court. Sorry.
My wife (an educator) was threatened with a lawsuit a few years ago because she told a female student to take one of her pantlegs down (gang symbol).
I have been threatened on three or four occassions over the past nine years. Times have changed folks. Home school your kids.
robblefarian on October 18, 2006 at 3:57 PM
I played “kill the guy with the ball” a lot at recess when I was a kid. Rules: Tackle the guy with the ball. Does that make me a victim?
Anyone who thinks of abstaining this election should keep this, and ATLA, in mind. Liberals are responsible for this insanity.
BillLalor on October 18, 2006 at 4:04 PM
BacaDog,
And let me guess, they *need* to be praised for every little thing they do, like showing up by 8:30 despite their dog (yes, I know you said 8am).
MamaAJ on October 18, 2006 at 4:08 PM
Nah. I think they should train with famed dodgeball coach “Patches” O’Hollihan.
“If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball!”
EFG on October 18, 2006 at 4:14 PM
What do you expect from the People’s Republic of Massuchusetts, where its citizens keep reelecting Kennedy and Kerry again and again and again…?
Corky on October 18, 2006 at 4:21 PM
Sandpaper
Butt
Turpentine
5 minutes
Carnak says!!!
What is the home remedy for scum lawyers (redundant?) and common sense challenged public school administrators (90% redundant)?
GoingThere on October 18, 2006 at 4:22 PM
it’s a sad day in this country where kids today can’t even play a simple game like “Tag” i’m glad that never happened to me when i was a kid.
Starblazer on October 18, 2006 at 4:24 PM
I’m not taking the blame for that.
Rich on October 18, 2006 at 4:27 PM
My kids’ school administration encourages tag, cops and robbers, etc. Kids who are being bullied are encouraged to “deck” the bully. The administration will deal with the bully’s parents if they complain. It’s a small school—only three kids. I’m the administration.
jdpaz on October 18, 2006 at 4:42 PM
LOL, jdpaz!
BlueStateBlues on October 18, 2006 at 4:44 PM
Someone should start scream-n-gag. That game allows the kids to scream as long, and as loud as they can throughout recess, and I believe that a few days of promoting that would give the entire state of Massachussetts the headache they deserve.
Liberalism is for masochistic morons.
DannoJyd on October 18, 2006 at 4:57 PM
Don’t be too hard on the ditzes like this principal. The issue here is much less PC pussification than tort lawyers. Rather, the pussification of this country is the way we’re letting them bully everybody into having to do this.
Noted, however, that an earlier objection to these games was that they were “exclusionary”…
Alex K on October 18, 2006 at 4:59 PM
When I was a growing up the motto was bigger, faster stronger if you wanted to survive on the playground.
How could you expect to be competitive in the real world if from the age of 5 to ~, life is being made “Equal”? (Code word for “Easy”)
I feel sorry for these children. My sons will be bigger, faster and stronger and they’re going to roll right over these Mass kids.
x95b10 on October 18, 2006 at 5:22 PM
Some of it is PC pussification, because nobody is really standing up to these lawyers. While we can’t just go and take the advice of Willy Shakespeare just yet, we can certainly do more than roll over and ban childhood becasue of the mere possibility of a threat of a lawsuit … i.e. pre-emptive surrender.
thirteen28 on October 18, 2006 at 5:30 PM
Smear the Queer… A wondrous game that involved not only lots of healthy exercise, but an intense understanding of the strategy necessary to dish off the ball to some a-hole you didn’t like just as the heaviest kid on the playground, (now a minister), was within striking range of him.
We also played “mumbly-peg”, a knife throwing game that occasionally ended up with stitches.
Dodgeball? I was the king. Smear-the-Queer? I was the a-hole……
HerrMorgenholz on October 18, 2006 at 5:45 PM
A society not butch enough to hack a game of “tag” has no shot at winning a war.
This is why the splodeydopes think they’ll win. You know what? They just might be right. Some days, I worry.
Kadnine on October 18, 2006 at 5:50 PM
A few years ago, my son fell while playing and broke his arm. He needed surgery to insert pins to set the bone, and wore a cast for awhile. I felt terrible about the accident.
When he got the cast off, he had a long scar on his arm. I sat him down and told him, near tears, how sorry I was that he got hurt, and that I wasn’t there to protect him. His response? “What are you talking about, Dad, this scar is COOL!”
Kids have to be kids.
stonemeister on October 18, 2006 at 6:03 PM
This miscreant should be given a three hour detention in a room where there is a continously repeating tape of the Barney “I love you” song. PC is idiocy.
chsw
chsw on October 18, 2006 at 6:09 PM
That is a GREAT story.
thirteen28 on October 18, 2006 at 6:18 PM
That would be the PC pussified judges who won’t condemn and censor the lawyers for frivolous lawsuits.
What I wouldn’t give to have been the judge at the first hearing of the McDonald’s Coffee Lady.
“You did what? You put a cup of hot coffee in your crotch and spilled it when opening it? And you wanted McDonald’s to pay the cost of your stupidity? You are stark-raving mad! Get out of my courtroom.!”
“You, Mr./Ms. Plaintiff’s Attorney, have so much contempt for my court that you bring this drivel in here before me? Well, consider it repaid in kind. 90 days in the slammer. Have a nice day.”
American_Jihadist on October 18, 2006 at 6:26 PM
Oh my, by the time my kids are in school they’ll be given Ritalin, Xanax, and Prozac laced KoolAid and then a People’s Cube to work on for mental and physical stimulation.
Luckily I had a chance to get slammed with quite a few dodgeballs, run til I almost barfed during tag, and see my best friend break her arm on the swingset before the re-education camps were fully underway.
My husband thinks homeschooled kids will be “weird” but after reading story after story like this, my kids will have 2 options, homeschool or private school. The private highschool I went to made parents sign a release form so they could actually teach. It worked well.
NTWR on October 18, 2006 at 6:26 PM
The more I read this the more I’m going to wait til I’m like 30+ (I’m 23 now) to have kids with my wife for the SOLE reason that I can put ALL their butts through private school. I don’t know if I want my kids taught to be utter wimps like this.
Btw I’ll take a quote from Dennis Miller; tag is now to be offered as an elective for anyone interested in law, business, medicine, politics, investment and just about every other fracking career on the planet earth
Defector01 on October 18, 2006 at 6:58 PM
Is there a place left in this society for government-controlled schools?
Let a private school attempt to make such a decision, and see how quickly their salaries walk out the door and down the street to a school with some sense.
Let’s hear from the “party for choice” on this issue. Oh, right, there’s only one choice that they really want private citizens to make; to kill their babies.
Freelancer on October 18, 2006 at 7:14 PM
Shakespear (or don henley, I sometimes can’t keep them strait) was right.
moflicky on October 18, 2006 at 7:28 PM
NTWR,
Your husband is right, my homeschooled children are weird. They listen to adults, they obey their parents (mostly), they take responsibility for their actions, and they TRY THEIR BEST at everything they do. They know how to make a logical argument for what they want or believe, as well as how to tear down an illogical one.
My daughter is a freshman this year at the university she determined she would go to back when she was 9, a school on the opposite side of the country from home.
Many people told her she would have a hard time there coming from a homeschooled environment; that she wouldn’t be prepared for the workload or the discipline; that she wouldn’t be able to handle being away from family after being homeschooled. Every Sunday night we talk for about half an hour and her favorite comments are about how much less real work is required than she is used to, and about how whiney many of the “preppy” kids are over the littlest things. So far she hasn’t complained of being homesick, but she’s human so I’m sure that will kick in just after midterms.
Don’t let the fear-mongers scare you off of homeschooling. One piece of advice, if you consider it, is contact the Home School Legal Defense Association. On a subscription basis, they provide the legal documentation required of homeschoolers in every state in the country, and represent any subscriber who is legally challenged regarding any aspect of homeschooling.
Freelancer on October 18, 2006 at 8:21 PM
Homeschooling is great. It may be the only way left to preserve the culture. Any culture.
Tort reform is needed but the lawyers wouldn’t be there unless there were paying customers. The love of money is the root of all evil. We just pretend it isn’t the money. We don’t have tort reform because that is like eliminating the lottery.
Go to Walmarts and look at the recall bulletin board. It never ends. Each recall represents a lawsuit somewhere.
We should put each person in a cage with no belt or necktie and feed them through a tube. Bandage their hands so they don’t hurt themselves. Livestock. That is what we are creating.
The homeschoolers will rule the world if they aren’t executed first.
entagor on October 18, 2006 at 9:50 PM
We have a stroller that says “Remove Infant Before Folding”. A thing of beauty….
HerrMorgenholz on October 18, 2006 at 10:14 PM
I’m waiting for Honora and GregH to defend the principal’s actions.
georgej on October 19, 2006 at 2:20 AM
Crap, EFG, you beat me to it.
So, I will repeat the less cool version:
“If you can dodge traffic, you can dodge a ball.”
theholyhermit on October 19, 2006 at 3:43 AM
This reminds me of when I was in first grade. In P.E. we would sometimes play a variation of dodgeball called Doctor Dodgeball (clever, I know). In it, each team had two people that were designated doctors, If you got hit by a ball, you would lay down until one of the doctors came and got you and took you out of bounds. After that, you could come back into the game. If I remember right, the doctors even had a sled that you would get on and they would drag you. Obviously, the idea was that you take out the doctors first, but I guess that would probably be exclusionary. . .
Anyway, what exactly are the kids allowed to play at the Peoples’ Elementary School?
Wolfman on October 19, 2006 at 5:03 AM
Me and my 5 brothers used to play ‘Guns’. Where we would run around (outside) the house with stick ‘guns’ and shoot each other. BANG! BANG! YOUR DEAD!
And then it would all end up as a halarious pig-pile on someone.
I must be so demented!
(Actually that might explain a lot….)
CrazyFool on October 19, 2006 at 10:38 AM
I am up here in the eople’s Republic and so I heard this on the news while getting rezady for work yesterday. I have Michael Graham on the Radio to help me through the horror of this state. So I sent him the following email regarding the topic.
Michael,
My vote is for “Pussy Nation”
This morning channel 5 had a story on an Attleboro School banning “Tag” and other games. I was getting ready for work so I only half listened while brushing teeth etc. My daughters got to listen to me spewing “Pussy Nation yea that’s it” toothpaste with the full toothpaste effect all over the mirror. Damn which I have to clean off before “My” “Warden” returns home from a business trip.
Anyway the games like tag, dodge ball, and the like were to be banned because they posed too much physical and emotional risk on the playground. Additionally they were to great a liability with regards to children touching each other. WHAT! That is right touching one another. Michael as much as I hate to say it next time let that poor boys trousers fall down around his ankles when he trips his parents will notice and fix it.
My solution is I will be starting my own company. Bubble wrap condoms that I will be selling at the schools for the children. I figure the schools will leap to market it for me what with the word condom in the product title and all. This product will not only protect them from any unwanted contact but also any bumps or bruises they might obtain while not in our care.
Then I am petitioning for legislation that states one parent MUST accompany a child EVERYWHERE if this does not happen the parent will be jailed indefinitely!!! Yea do the math on that one in a 3-child household. You thought pre-birth abortion was bad well I am also getting together legislation on post birth abortion. So that there can be no more than 2 children in a home and each parent can stay with a child!!
K I am done. Vote Duval for sanity sake! OK so I lied I wasn’t done. Sue me already!
All Hail POOP
Yea I was frothing at the mouth and a little sarcastic but you get the drift.
Priest on October 19, 2006 at 10:39 AM
Awe heck I really need auto spell check with my fidgety fingers.
Priest on October 19, 2006 at 10:41 AM
As a resident(read hostage) of the peoples republic I do not find this as surprising as many here do, well some do some dont, but could the progression to this not have been seen as clearly as the handwriting on the big dig tunnel walls? this state has been in the hands of the politically correct and secular progressive crowd for decades, the worst possible scenario would be ending up with “free em all” Duval as govenor!! Jeeshh! we are screwed.. :(
Viper1 on October 19, 2006 at 11:36 AM
I thought we were concerned about childhood obesity???
honora on October 19, 2006 at 11:48 AM
I am reminded of a Bill Cosby story about his playground days…
looking4statesmen on October 19, 2006 at 12:13 PM
Playing “tag” is a good way to learn about avoiding predators. A lot of the games we played as kids made us better urban gorillas. CAR, CAR, C A R was a hide and seek from headlights, throwing rocks at police cars, ringing doorbells and running, tackle football in hte street, (not my idea), dodgeball, heads-up ball (sit under a tree and have someone hrow a baseball in he tree and listen to it bounce off the limbs like a pinball until it hit someone), etc. Too bad todays kids are growing up to be pu$$ies.
wxgesr on October 19, 2006 at 12:22 PM
Learned Helplessness - That’s all that public schools are about. The Teachers Unions in concert with the educational bureaucrats have the ultimate long-term goal of churning out the dumbest, weakest and most helpless children on the planet. These children will then come to rely on the federal government to protect and provide for them, as they have been taught. And as such, they will have no choice but to vote for the communist Democratic party so that they will always have a meal ticket. The disgusting state of our public school system is leading the future of our country down a dark, dark hole. My kids will never, EVER, be subject to the government sponsored “educational” gulags. As the bumper sticker says, “My dog is smarter than your ‘Honor Roll’ kid.”
i_will_not_surrender on October 19, 2006 at 12:28 PM
My wife looked at that and instantly said that it makes sense because what happens if a Hispanic or Black child is tagged and goes home and complains. This incident can then jump from a kids game to a real problem for the school of claims of, either real or perceived, racial prejudice.
The legal concern isn’t from a suit over a scrapped knee or elbow but a suit or just a public claim of school prejudice. A claim like this propegated by an over-eager media can devastate the school or an entire community.
I have seen, even on the most conservative sites, a call for additional legislation to solve an incident of personal disagreement. Bigger government or restraints on the media will never be the correct answer. The only one I can come up with is the same one I am complaining about, additional legislation requiring judicial common sense. Can common sense be mandated to a judiciary that honors creative application of the law.
fredaa on October 19, 2006 at 1:17 PM
What’s next an Army with shooting puff balls? No wonder kids today have to go on drugs, they have no way to run off that extra energy they have and then channel it into other wonderful things like bring your gun to school day.
KineticJustice on October 19, 2006 at 1:25 PM
Recess Rules:
1. No running
2. No talking, laughing, crying, or other audible noises
3. No walking on the grass
4. Girls WILL NOT chase the boys
5. Boys WILL NOT chase the girls
6. No sports based on the school’s concerns over a) low self esteem for those students picked last or not picked at all, and b) the negative effect aggressive sports (i.e. tee ball) have on normal psychological development.
7. No “Red Rover, Red Rover” due to self esteem issues with those students unable to break through the arms of their fellow students.
8. No use of swings over the school’s concern for those students, a) who are afraid of heights, or b) unable to kick their legs to gain any measurement of altitude, which has been shown to have a negative effect on self esteem.
9. No hopscotch or jump rope due to the school’s concerns for those students who, a) may lack the physical capacity to “hopscotch” or jump rope, and b)lack the multitasking abilities to count and “jump” or pick up objects at the same time.
10. At no time will any “war games” be played especially those involving the use of students pointing their fingers as [deadly] weapons.
11. No patriotic themes such as pretend parades or religious themes involving Christian-like principles (the embracing of other cultures/religious ideals may be approved with a prior commitment from the school board and/or principal).
12. No themes or usage of the word “Christmas”.
Fargus on October 19, 2006 at 1:45 PM
Not that it will do any good but I decided to send the school an email. If anyone else would like to you can use the following email that is available from the school districts site (wouldn’t want to be charged with posting “private information”).
willettschool@attleboroschools.com
Chaos_Spawnn on October 19, 2006 at 2:06 PM
Tag may be out for Precious, but tag is fine for Nannies.
It doesn’t take a Village, it only takes an idiot.
seejanemom on October 19, 2006 at 7:59 PM
Lawyers are KILLING this country. Sure there are a few responsible lawyers, but they are few and far between. Fear of lawsuits is really the issue here.
/sigh
Ugly on October 19, 2006 at 8:08 PM