China, South Korea won’t enforce sanctions against NK; Update: Confirmed — NK conducted nuclear test (Bumped)

posted at 11:26 am on October 16, 2006 by Allahpundit

Who cares?

A day after the Council unanimously passed the resolution, following nearly a week of intensive diplomatic negotiations, the South Korean government said it would still pursue economic projects with North Korea, including an industrial zone and tourist resort in the North. Those projects are not explicitly covered by the Security Council resolution, but they are an important source of hard currency for the North.

China, which shares a 870-mile porous border with North Korea and is perhaps its most critical economic gateway to the outside world, said Saturday that it had no intention of stopping and inspecting cross-border shipments, as called for, but not specifically required, in the resolution…

The relative silence on Sunday about how the resolution would be enforced, coupled with the vagaries of the resolution itself, raised concerns that the Security Council action would not have much of an impact for the foreseeable future.

Worse, some countries that are willing to enforce the sanctions aren’t able: the Royal Navy has been so decimated by defense cutbacks that it’ll be relegated to supporting the American and French fleets. The Royal. f’ing. Navy.

England expects that every man will do his duty … by backing up the French.

Whatever, though. Symbolic sanctions are a perfect non-solution to an unsolvable problem. Krazy Kim called the UN’s bluff; they had to respond but not so antagonistically that it might make Krazy do something crazy; so they passed a resolution but watered it down to make enforcement essentially hortatory. Now they can get him off the table and turn their attention back to the center of gravity in the Middle East.

Nothing else to be done. Except (a) Japan getting the bomb, which they’re slowly but surely moving towards, or (b) the liberal panacea of bilateral talks. Should we do it? Send Bush to Pyongyang to formally bestow upon him the American imprimatur of legitimacy and, just maybe, a basketball signed by Kobe Bryant? That’d be quite the Faustian bargain:

The North Korean regime’s obsession with racial purity has led to the killing of disabled infants and forced abortions for women suspected of conceiving their babies by Chinese fathers, according to a growing body of testimony from defectors…

“I defied the order to abort the foetus the prison authorities contemptuously called a ‘Chinese Chink’ and was badly beaten and kicked in my belly by a guard. His name was Hwang Myong-dong,” she said.

One week later, said Han, she was led to a prison clinic “where in a most blunt manner they extracted the dead child from my body”.

They call it a Stalinist state, but there’s more than a little bit of Reich floating around in that political DNA.

No deals with the devil. Not bilaterally, at least. If our warming a chair next to ogres like Russia and China does enough for Kim’s ego to get him to abandon his nuke program, fine. It’s dirty, but on balance it’s worth it. No one-on-one seal of approval/champagne toast, though. If you can’t draw the line at this pig, then there is no line.

Update: Just across on Fox: John Negroponte’s office says analysis of air samples in North Korea confirm that it was indeed a nuclear test.


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If you can’t draw the line at this pig, then there is no line.

Well said and 100% supported…but insult to the pig…how about jackal?

China is the accomplice and enabler; thus, equally guilty.

Entelechy on October 16, 2006 at 2:27 AM

So, sanctions aren’t going to work, negotiations aren’t going to work, appeasement isn’t even on the table. Now what?

Savage on October 16, 2006 at 2:35 AM

Nothing, Savage, before this war is over we will lose cities for sure (I said this years ago) if not our civilization.

Christoph on October 16, 2006 at 2:41 AM

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

– Edmund Burke

Welcome to the do nothing UN, and the do nothing world.

E L Frederick on October 16, 2006 at 7:39 AM

There is an alternative, or perhaps complementary approach.

The President could conference with the CEOs of the US companies with the largest trade with China – Walmart, Target, Sears, etc. The group could then issue a statement urging China to resolve the NK mess for the sake of regional stability and continued investment viability. This would be a warning shot that the production contracts which fuel much of China’s light industry would be jeopardized if China does does act appropriately.

I think that this should get the attention of the Chinese leadership.

chsw

chsw on October 16, 2006 at 8:19 AM

I’m reminded of an episode of Futurama… to quote Fry:

“I’m shocked… shocked… well not that shocked.”

Lehosh on October 16, 2006 at 8:24 AM

The North Korean regime’s obsession with racial purity has led to the killing of disabled infants…

And I’m sure the US condemns such horrible behavior, but are we really any better when we kill our disabled infants before they’re born?

tiekitwist on October 16, 2006 at 8:39 AM

North Korea and South Korea remind me of Cane and Able. One is influenced by positive (USA) the other by evil (China). The war on terror is just a warm up for the real war for the planet with China.

I wonder who will service Korean cars when South Korea is dust? Remember Yugo?

Hening on October 16, 2006 at 8:56 AM

What a farking waste of Ambassador Bolton’s time & effort.
But then, what else could you expect from the UN?
People just don’t want to make the sacrifices necessary now but my God the sacrifices that will have to be made later…

Abigail Adams on October 16, 2006 at 9:01 AM

Sanctions don’t work. The UN is worthless and ineffective. Negotiations are nothing less than stalling tactics. China and Russsia cannot be trusted. Kim Jong Ill is a madman, with nothing to lose. I can’t seem to find an upside here.

Like it or not, brute force is the only answer. The day is coming when merely having a nuclear arsenal is not enough to keep the peace.

It’s called survival. Us or them.

Any questions? Ask Japan.

Oh, and by the way …. if the Dems gain back control, expect Pelosi, Reid and friends to deal with the North Korean problem using the Madeline Albright template. That’s not a good thing. That’s raising a white flag and painting a big red target on major U.S. cities.

Bullies know weakness when they see it, and won’t hesitate to take advantage. (Iran is taking notes)

fogw on October 16, 2006 at 9:06 AM

Well, just hold on a minute. As soon as the liberal democrats take over power, all this will go away and the world will all hold hands and sing kumbia or whatever it was, you know like when Bill was poking cigars up interns privates and raising taxes to send to these tyrants to appease them…

HANG ON, HELP IS ON THE WAY!!!

NRA4Freedom on October 16, 2006 at 9:51 AM

People just don’t want to make the sacrifices necessary now but my God the sacrifices that will have to be made later…

Abby, they don’t care because it won’t be them just their children and grandchildren….

ScottG on October 16, 2006 at 9:57 AM

“If you can’t draw the line at this pig, then there is no line.” -AP

Now THAT I agree with.

Everything that is being done now has already been tried. Instead of everyone pointing out the failures of Clinton; how about actually learning from the incompetence and previous mistakes. What a silly thought, I know. Why do that when we can all revel in the depravity of personal politics and point fingers while NoKo grows stronger and stronger.

Anyone care to compare how many countries that have tested nukes that now have “the bomb”, to those that tested and simply gave up? Anyone?

Is anyone else besides me hearing talk of how important it is to stop Iran now because we can just count on NoKo as a nuclear power? Frightening.

Cary on October 16, 2006 at 10:33 AM

Containment and deterrence worked once upon a time–worked extremely well for that matter. Of course one of the underpinnings of that was the notion that most of the world (except the Russians and their sphere of influence) accepted the right of the US to use its position to keep nuclear weapons from the hands of various countries. Does the rest of the world still feel this way?

Beyond that, consider for a moment this is another Iraq-like situation of mass hysteria. Do we know that the NK have weapons they can deliver against us or our allies? No. (There is such a thing as common sense–a country that can’t get a handle on transportation or energy or food or manufacturing–where is the talent and infrastructure to build a serious nuclear weapons program?) Let’s not get caught up again in fire, ready, aim. Call me stupid, but it seems to me that the Chinese and the S Koreans have the most at stake here, why do we always think we are the prime movers ?

Now you want to talk about a serious country with serious resources that is a serious threat–let’s take a look at Iran.

honora on October 16, 2006 at 11:26 AM

Perhaps China is like a lot of other nations, saying one thing while doing another…

China has been building a massive barbed wire and concrete fence along parts of its border with North Korea in the most visible sign of Beijing’s strained ties with its once-cozy communist neighbor…

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/16/D8KPNT380.html

NRA4Freedom on October 16, 2006 at 11:27 AM

How many of our Treasury notes does China have?

SouthernGent on October 16, 2006 at 11:34 AM

How many of our Treasury notes does China have?

SouthernGent on October 16, 2006 at 11:34 AM

Can’t count that high. Ignorance is bliss, ain’t it?

honora on October 16, 2006 at 11:40 AM

My computer was hacked last night and they got…photos…from north korea…so, I’m going to share, if you want to see what they took(and maybe have a few for yourself) go to:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=82755

It’s a photo travelog of a Russian, with translations.

tormod on October 16, 2006 at 11:46 AM

The fact that the anti-American South Koreans (President Roh was elected by appealing to anti-Americanism) refuse to stop propping up the North Korean regime through their economic aid and “sunshine policy” should be taken into mind when considering not responding militarily to North Korea for fear of the shelling of Seoul. Our security and Japan’s should not be held hostage by China, Russia, and the anti-American South Koreans.

If South Korea is unwilling to back us on sanctions, then perhaps we should stop buying Hyundai, Samsung, LG, and Kia.

januarius on October 16, 2006 at 11:46 AM

Beyond that, consider for a moment this is another Iraq-like situation of mass hysteria. Do we know that the NK have weapons they can deliver against us or our allies? No. (There is such a thing as common sense–a country that can’t get a handle on transportation or energy or food or manufacturing–where is the talent and infrastructure to build a serious nuclear weapons program?)

So you’re saying let them have the nuke because it can’t reach us? Consider this; if it took them 8 years to develope a nuke (which is the most sophisticated part of the equation), how many years will it take them to develope a delivery method? Two years? Four years?

Dumb.

Why do they even need a sophisticated delivery method? It’s just as easy to walk it across the border. Who knows? Perhaps send it by shipping container on a sea vessel? We already know that approximately 10% of the containers are searched by U.S. Customs. That’s a 10% chance that we’ll catch it.

Yeah, that’s a great idea to just let them have the nuke.

natesnake on October 16, 2006 at 12:36 PM

how about actually learning from the incompetence and previous mistakes

the reason we can’t is that the logical conclusion is that the only way to effectively deal with this is to invade and go house-to-house, tunnel-to-tunnel, etc. That would be too bloody a process for most Americans to accept unless and until cities start getting vaporized.

(There is such a thing as common sense–a country that can’t get a handle on transportation or energy or food or manufacturing–where is the talent and infrastructure to build a serious nuclear weapons program?)

It’s where Kim Jong Il decides it is. He has already demonstrated the willingness to let millions starve in order to supply his military, just like Stalin did. He has no compunction about funding programs to develop nukes and delivery systems while the rest of the country goes without roads or even food.

the Chinese and the S Koreans have the most at stake here, why do we always think we are the prime movers ?

yes they do–well, SoKo does, not so much China–but are you willing to sacrifice Dallas? (probably) but what about (leftist bastions) San Francisco or LA, the more likely targets anyway? It is simply a fact that we ARE the prime movers. Without us US, there would be no honest brokers; and the world would have already melted down into massive, globe-spanning, nuclear holocost with no voice for the rule of law (my cause) or any of the causes you (no doubt) embrace/espouse.

…let’s take a look at Iran.

And pray tell, how do you expect to deal with Iran, if you can’t deal with NoKo?

urbancenturion on October 16, 2006 at 12:40 PM

I seem to recall a rather effective, yet unanticipated delivery system that was dropped at our doorstep just a few short years ago.

Nineteen Saudis + Four Passenger Jets

Both are still in stock, no?

fogw on October 16, 2006 at 1:05 PM

yes they do–well, SoKo does, not so much China–but are you

willing to sacrifice Dallas? (probably) but what about (leftist bastions) San Francisco or LA, the more likely targets anyway? It is simply a fact that we ARE the prime movers. Without us US, there would be no honest brokers; and the world would have already melted down into massive, globe-spanning, nuclear holocost with no voice for the rule of law (my cause) or any of the causes you (no doubt) embrace/espouse.

Why don’t you take your causes and leave me to mine. Deal?

honora on October 16, 2006 at 1:24 PM

One must love the Aussies – the U.N. decides to do ‘not much’.

Entelechy on October 16, 2006 at 2:25 PM

So you’re saying let them have the nuke because it can’t reach us? Consider this; if it took them 8 years to develope a nuke (which is the most sophisticated part of the equation), how many years will it take them to develope a delivery method? Two years? Four years?

Dumb.

Why do they even need a sophisticated delivery method? It’s just as easy to walk it across the border. Who knows? Perhaps send it by shipping container on a sea vessel? We already know that approximately 10% of the containers are searched by U.S. Customs. That’s a 10% chance that we’ll catch it.

Yeah, that’s a great idea to just let them have the nuke

No I am saying that we have no proof that these guys have a nuclear weapon. And operating on erroneous assumptions is an oh, what’s the word? umm, dumb, thing to do.

honora on October 16, 2006 at 3:20 PM

“let them have the nuke because it can’t reach us.”

North Korea also has the second largest submarine fleet in Asia. They don’t need missiles or even cargo containers to get a nuke here. They can literally drive it over here completely undetected, detonate it off a coastal city OR sail it up a river and detonate it INLAND. Wake up people!

On a completely unrelated note, thank god Brownback (R) opened his mouth and showed America his true colors and that he is completely unfit. Yeah lets take all the North Korean refuegees, cause we handled all the Mexican ones so well. IDIOT.

America1st on October 16, 2006 at 4:18 PM

Any theories about why China and Russia are assisting the little turd? Is there anything in it for them besides the malicious pleasure of watching the US bang its head against the wall?

dhimwit on October 16, 2006 at 5:02 PM

No I am saying that we have no proof that these guys have a nuclear weapon. And operating on erroneous assumptions is an oh, what’s the word? umm, dumb, thing to do.

honora on October 16, 2006 at 3:20 PM

Update: Just across on Fox: John Negroponte’s office says analysis of air samples in North Korea confirm that it was indeed a nuclear test.

Honora, you may want to check the updates.

EFG on October 16, 2006 at 6:45 PM