Rep. Jim Kolbe had “inappropriate” camping trip with pages
posted at 12:58 am on October 14, 2006 by Ian
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Federal prosecutors in Arizona have opened a preliminary investigation of a camping trip Congressman Jim Kolbe, R-Ariz., took 10 years ago that included two teenage congressional pages, a Justice Department spokesman told NBC News. NBC News first reported on the camping and rafting trip on Tuesday.
A spokesman for the Justice Department in Washington said that the U.S. attorney in Arizona has started a “preliminary assessment” of the trip, after an unidentified source made allegations about the congressman’s behavior on the expedition.
Remember how the Foley scandal went from inappropriate e-mails to explicit messages? I wonder what inappropriate camping trips will turn into.
Speaking of October surprises, it seems Karl “Disney” Rove is back in the crosshairs of liberal nuts. Maybe South Park was onto something; perhaps Karl Rove is planting Rove conspiracy theorists to be feared?
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for your consideration .. Kolbe and Foley , both RMSP members. how about that diversity thing?
normsrevenge on October 14, 2006 at 1:17 AM
Ya know… I’m not a big fan of gays in general… But this one is really silly. The Dem’s are REALLY reaching on this one (… Yet they pretend to be the homosexsual’s only powerful friends in government.)
From what I’ve heard there were a half a dozen other adults along, plus Kolbe’s sister. I’m reasonably sure that Nothing happened.
I’m against homosexual Boy Scout leaders.. But I don’t see anything wrong with a Congressman taking a few youngsters camping, (even if he is homosexual), especially with other ’straight’ adults in the group. And since Kolbe has been ‘out’ for at least a decade, and generally known as an honorable man, one would assume that the parents were aware, and OK with it.
The Dems seem very desparate… They wouldn’t be coming out so homophobic against one of their extra-priveleged special groups if they REALLY believed that that they had the election next month really as so ’sewed up’ as the media and the push-polls are trying to make us believe.
Their continued panic and backstabbing of a ‘protected liberal group’ makes me think that the Republicans still have a good shot at maintaining their majority.
LegendHasIt on October 14, 2006 at 1:24 AM
Oh puleeez! I warned that liberals would be pushing Homophobia, and this I’ll call as being proof. Here we have an unidentified source [how convenient] raising questions about a Congressman’s behavior on a well chaperoned trip that took place Ten Frelling Years Ago!
Let’s call this what it is. We have another Homosexual Hunt [in lieu of a Witch Hunt] due to the Foley story not having enough of an effect.
I would wonder that the Dingy Harry story doesn’t get as much attention since there is plenty of proof to go along with that, and no one is depending on some unnamed source for the ‘facts’. I would wonder if I didn’t take into account the history of the MSM.
DannoJyd on October 14, 2006 at 1:47 AM
Neither will this.
Axe on October 14, 2006 at 2:39 AM
Now that show was worth an open thread :)
Axe on October 14, 2006 at 2:42 AM
Te he. The Democrats are gonna take over. Te he. We’re going to appoint liberal activist judges. Te he. We’re gonna raise taxes. Te he. Border security is gonna mean body guards for illegal immigrants. Te he. You self-righteous bastards are gonna get booted out of power and we’re gonna take over. Te he.
ps-you now have my permission to copy and paste my comments so that you can oh so cleverly respond…te he.
pss-keep molesting boys GOPers. Keep molesting little boys.
shackler on October 14, 2006 at 4:24 AM
All sorts of things are possible that have nothing to do with Representative Kolbe hitting on anyone legally under age. The two pages may have been a couple. Kolbe may have been entirely preoccupied by a friend somewhat of his own age. Or maybe they all got nak3d and lay in a pile together. Idle peni do the devil’s work, after all.
Kralizec on October 14, 2006 at 6:10 AM
I managed to go camping with all sorts of adults as a kid many of whom were not related to me.
I remember much trout, walking in the heat, and, worse, mosquitos, but no “bad touch”.
I opposed abusing children, obviously, and using your position as a congressman, if this happened, to seduce and/or coerce teenagers into sex. But… I hope we’re not at the point now where you can’t take kids camping.
I don’t see that as a positive development in our culture. I see it as a particularly perverse part of yours.
I’d explain that, and can, but I’m too tired now and will instead talk to my adult girlfriend. Have to add that caveat, of course, because you never know who will be molestered next.
Christoph on October 14, 2006 at 6:51 AM
It was 10 years ago and it is just coming out now? Who made the allegation that something innappropriate happened? What was innappropriate? Where were/are the kids parents in all of this? Are we going to take every contact a Congress person has with a page and start putting it under the microscope?
Pam on October 14, 2006 at 8:49 AM
10 years ago, Whatever happenned to the ’statute of limitations’ – the old concept that protected you against ancient claims.
Is this just a cheap copy-cat claim?
Ian, like I told Allah – “Stop with those negative waves.”
Marvin on October 14, 2006 at 9:11 AM
IMHO as an Evangelical, this first opinions of Evangelicals would be
1. He needs to know Jesus Christ
2. The wages of sin are many
3. Satan strews the path with many temptations
4. Pray for him
If the politician attempted to legalize freaky behaviour then Evangelicals would be against that politician, which is why they shun the Democrats who have already set up barricades by denouncing those who denounce sins of the flesh
My instinct is a declared homosexual would find a rafting trip with handsome same sex youth a dream, and a rafting trip with some girl scouts a nightmare regardless of propriety of behaviour on the trip. Temptation finds it’s own level like water running downstream. That is the frailty of the flesh, not a public policy problem.
The Democrats look like two faced hypocrites stroking and kicking their favorite constituency. It makes all their declarations of policy suspect
entagor on October 14, 2006 at 10:19 AM
DannoJyd, this and several other recent ‘news events’ shows that the MSM is not following their historical role. Historically, they used to root (and write) for Democrat/liberal causes while trying to maintain the facade of impartiality. Now, they aren’t even trying to maintain the facade.
Do you think the Founding Fathers would have ever envisioned the Press acting as a unitarian block for one particular political Party and philosophy?
Mike O on October 14, 2006 at 10:28 AM
Yes, it is strange. Bush and Rove seem cool and confident right now, and Democrats and the MSM are acting desperate. I’m wondering if the inside polling looks good for Republicans and Bush and Rove know that.
januarius on October 14, 2006 at 10:29 AM
Hold the fort! So you can’t go camping with teens unless you’re gay and in the Boy Scouts according to the democrats/dinosaur media now? They never, ever follow their own convictions.
SouthernGent on October 14, 2006 at 10:49 AM
Re the October surprise conspiracy theories: Novelist jane Smiley, posting on HuffPo a couple of days ago, aired a theory from one her readers, because she considered it “logical”.
The theory is that the Republicans are responsible for ginning up the Foley scandal. Why? It’s to distract from the preparations for the pre-election attack on Iran. These nuts are so funny. Every single thing that ever happens is a plot by somebody to “distract”, or to “profit”, or to distract from a plot to profit, or to profit from a distraction, or something.
juliesa on October 14, 2006 at 11:10 AM
Strong suspiscion that the “anonomous’ source on this as a democrat.
EEprom on October 14, 2006 at 11:11 AM
Here’s what I think (and I offer my standard disclaimer of “I reserve the right to be wrong about this”):
People have already made up their minds on whom they will vote for come November. And I don’t think any “shocking” news short of “all Republicans in the Senate and House are getting their collective asses hauled off to jail for regular love-ins with animals from a wealthy contributors private zoo” will change folks’ minds at this point.
Gottafang on October 14, 2006 at 11:30 AM
This is laughable on it’s face.
An NBC investigative report posted on MSNBC’s website. That’s a tell. These folks are flat out desperate and wear their liberal colors on their sleeves without any reservations now.
The bulk of the story, as posted, suggests Kolbe did nothing wrong. The accusations didn’t even come from the so-called victim, but from an anonymous source who was uncomfortable with what he saw as innappropriate touching of another page. The page himself said he had a great time on the trip. Where’s the friggin story here? Just what crime took place OVER TEN YEARS AGO?
It it’s now a crime to touch someone, warranting a probe by Federal Prosecutors, we all better run for the hills.
Beware my conservative friends. Eyes front, hands to the side, or YOU COULD BE NEXT!
And for you liberals ….. feel free to continue touching, groping and feeling as often as you want, whenever and wherever you get the urge, and feel safe that no accusations or investigations will come your way or ruin your reputation.
fogw on October 14, 2006 at 11:44 AM
Talk about wag the dog…WHERE’S THE STORY ON SENATOR HARRY REID?
Gimme a break, MSM, there’s no sky pilot at your helm, trying to get this story out.
Everyone with half a brain, including rose colored glasses wearing dhimmicr@ps can see this is a transparent attempt to keep the story line going on the front page. When will they learn?
tormod on October 14, 2006 at 12:27 PM
Yep, it looks as though the democrat leadership is either not afraid of pissing off their homosexual base and knows they can count on their votes, or, they don’t care about their votes much.
NRA4Freedom on October 14, 2006 at 12:28 PM
I think the Octover surprise will be WMDs, but they may be saving that one for ‘08. I think it’s quite clear they were there, but I’m not clear on why they’re not showing us the evidence. I think it’s either that we’re trying to covertly track it and terrorists down in Syria, or what many have said, that Russia’s involvement in Iraq’s WMD program and in moving it out of the country would come to light and we are trying not to alienate them when we think we need their help with Iran and NK. Either way, I find it ridiculous to believe they weren’t there. Aside from the fact that we found those 500 chemical weapons that everyone blew off because they were “old”. But an important point was missed. Saddam was supposed to “disclose and disarm”. If these are just some old junk, why not disclose them? And if he didn’t disclose junk, how much harder did he work to hide the good stuff?
Anyway, I’ve got no problem with that being an Oct. Surprise. Like, you couldn’t use UBL because his death/capture needs to be announced asap because there is potential to hurt morale of terrorists. But WMDs won’t have that effect, so pulling them out now or 5 years from now isn’t going to make the Iranians pack up in Iraq and go home. I would love to see the Dems fade away if Rove pulls WMDs out of his hat.
By the way, does anyone remember after about a year in Iraq with no WMDs many on the left speculating that if it was discovered soon they’d question whether it was planted. It was more internet lefty-blog talk, but I’m sure you heard mention. Here’s my question for the 9/11 Truther types though. Why couldn’t Bush have planted WMDs? I mean, he pulled off an impossible attack on his own country, requiring thousands of people, fake phone calls, etc. etc. but somehow couldn’t even plant some WMDs 6,000 miles away? If it wasn’t already clear how ridiculous the Truthers are, chew on that for a minute. Seriously, Bush’s presidency would look totally different right now, if only for WMDs being found, ya know? No one could call him a liar or saying he cherrypicked intel, the war would be justified, tec. etc. Sure, it’s not going great, but the support would be extremely different if we had the goods. Bush doesn’t play to poll numbers, yet he seems to remain pretty confident all the time. Let’s hope that’s in part due to his knowledge that we’ve got the stuff and just not revealing it yet.
RightWinged on October 14, 2006 at 1:04 PM
Shackler, according to the MSM, and the Democratic Party, you are right, but what if they lose again? Does that spell the end of the party? Many think it does.
Axe, I agree with you, and this commentary from IBD thinks the liberals have nothing to brag about.
Christoph, in order to avoid such potential problems there is a very simple, and time tested solution. Chaperone’s keep things safe for all involved at any sort of gathering, and there were plenty at the Kolbe camping trip.
Mike O, of course they are trying to maintain the facade, but they don’t realize that Americans have stopped wearing rose colored glasses, and can thus see right through their lame efforts today. 20 years ago, the quite apparent basis of the MSM would have gone unnoticed by the masses.
Liberals are getting desperate now that all believe they can steal back Congress. They realize they will lose more than another chance at regaining power should they lose. They will also lose relevancy.
DannoJyd on October 14, 2006 at 1:51 PM
JIM KOLBE AND PAGES: In tents experience?
Dr. Charles G. Waugh on October 14, 2006 at 2:23 PM
This on the same day that Gerry (likes to play with young) Studds dies. Oh, he was such a great hero and activist to the Democrats. Not to mention a PEDOPHILE. Of course, he was from the same state as Barney Frank, who let a PEDOPHILE prostitute ring operate out of his house.
By the ame token, Mass-of-two-s**ts is also the home to Teddy (Drunken murderer) Kennedy, and John “Traitor” Kerry (who, by the way, fought in Vietnam).
But Dhimmi-Rats are OK with all these people. Bunch of freakin’ hypocrites!!!!!
BigOrangeAxe on October 14, 2006 at 2:34 PM
Are there any gay congressmen who haven’t had a thing for the youngsters?
Perchant on October 14, 2006 at 2:42 PM
All this and the Dems are always pushing for gays in the military???!!!
When it comes to elected Republicans the Vichy-Americans have gone homophobic.
Mojave Mark on October 14, 2006 at 10:59 PM
Apologies. Quickly:
Kralizec! –your entry “America Alone, xiii,” with this:
What scholar?
Axe on October 15, 2006 at 12:45 AM
Studds died at Boston Medical Center several days after he collapsed while walking his dog, his husband said.
Entelechy on October 15, 2006 at 1:40 AM
In print and on the record – reaction to Studd’s death - hero and nothing like Foley!
Entelechy on October 15, 2006 at 1:54 PM
EVERYONE: OCTOBER SURPRISE WILL BE GAY MARRIAGE.
New Jersey is expected to legalize gay marriage by October 25th at the latest, and that will be a powerful bomb to drop just ten days before the election. The Democrats will never have time to recover from it. It’ll drive moderates and evangelicals to the polls for Republicans favoring a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.
The decision to legalize gay marriage by the NJ Supreme Court is almost 100% certain. This is the same court that ordered the Boy Scouts to let gays in and was overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court, and you can read the justices statements so far online on the wikipedia page. It’s obvious they’re going to legalize gay marriage and decapitate the Democrats’ momentum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_New_Jersey
Grebrook on October 16, 2006 at 1:19 AM
New Jersey is going to legalize gay marriage by the 26th of October. That is the October Surprise.
Grebrook on October 16, 2006 at 1:21 AM
JIM KOLBE: Canvases the pages?
Dr. Charles G. Waugh on October 16, 2006 at 9:58 AM
And if that doesn’t do it, that flag burning stuff never gets old. Paging Doctor Pavlov.
So the powers that be in the WH mock the religious right and values voters. Gee, why would that be?
honora on October 16, 2006 at 11:36 AM
I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic, but if so, why don’t you think this would be good for the GOP? Gay marriage legalized in another state by activist judges just ten days before the elections? And then Saddam verdict read live on international television on November 5, just TWO DAYS before the election?
That’s a double-punch to the Democrats, putting them on the defensive about gay marriage and the Iraq War just 48 hours before the polls open.
They’re finished.
Grebrook on October 16, 2006 at 11:42 AM
1) Yes I am being sarcastic (not very well apparently! ;^)
2) Gay marriage–there is such a thing as going to the well once too often.
3) Saddam verdict–so what? This is old news. Also, don’t underestimate the possibility of the Sunni reaction to this–more violence in Iraq.
We shall see.
honora on October 16, 2006 at 2:46 PM
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