If it wasn’t buried in the garage under junk I would pull it out. Asimov wrote a wistful introduction that surprised me. Something to the effect he envied those who believed. He was a great guy. He oozed honor.

I would argue that Europe’s problem, in this context, is suicidal immigration policy, a suicidal attitude about borders and national sovereignty and national identity, an odd generalized self-loathing (as a practical matter, wherever it actually comes from) of it’s own culture and traditions Axe

It all comes from the self loathing doesn’t it? I keep going back to Orwell’s Animal Farm:

All pigs are equal only some pigs are more equal than others

All cultures are equal, only some cultures are more equal than others – as long as they do not represent the culture that gave birth to us.

Funny, orthodox muslims have zero loyalty to the State. Their State is the Caliphate. Yet the self loathers of the West hate the faith of their ancestors which declared render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s, along with doctrines of free will, and redemption that allowed the development of the highly successful culture and free nations they are rapidly deconstructing while they chomp up the remaining crumbs of past wealth.

You know, if there were a (white-run) country that treated blacks the way Saudi Arabia treats women, could you just imagine the screaming on the Left? For my money the Saudis treat their women worse than South Africa ever treated its blacks. Yet one hears nothing. It’s not even on the feminist radar screen.

BUSH SUCKS.

They aren’t so much dying out as being killed by their own ideas…

So, succinctly, I argue PC is killing Europe.

And the United States, of course, is coughing rather a lot lately.

Axe on October 15, 2006 at 11:25 AM

Axe, we could write books about this sad state of the Western world. Wussitude veiled in PC!

Or, as the “perfect man” himself put it: “Lego my nymphette!”

(Maybe they need to rename the “Al-Qur’an” the “Al-LOLITA“?)

an odd generalized self-loathing (as a practical matter, wherever it actually comes from) of it’s own culture and traditions

I constructed that badly. Sorry; it was complicated. I meant to point to the complete contempt European cultures, in majority, seem to currently have toward what I called old world thinking, The Cube and the Cathedral, as lamented and reported by European conservatives who frequently post here, none of whom I hope I’ve offended.

I only had a post. I’d do better in a book.

Yet I wouldn’t have anyone forget that, overall, muslim family orders are working better than the West’s. This is true in the crude, but decisive sense that muslims are reproducing and rapidly increasing their numbers, while for the most part, western peoples are aging and dwindling.

It took me forever to figure out why I disagreed with you Kralizec. It was “underneath.”

Isn’t the problem in Europe more significant than that of the United States in that context, and isn’t the problem in Europe an insane immigration policy that basically says: we’re so very sorry for that whole colonialism thing, but we’ve thrown out all that old world thinking, and we have a new order now, so please come in and by all means keep your ideas an attitudes and way of life?

I would argue that Europe’s problem, in this context, is suicidal immigration policy, a suicidal attitude about borders and national sovereignty and national identity, an odd generalized self-loathing (as a practical matter, wherever it actually comes from) of it’s own culture and traditions, and abortion: turns out ending pregnancies as a matter of birth control mysteriously controls births. And so on. They aren’t so much dying out as being killed by their own ideas. Muslims reproducing would be of no importance at all (present day, this context) if the rest was attended to.

So, succinctly, I argue PC is killing Europe.

And the United States, of course, is coughing rather a lot lately.

but I doubt very much that muslim men are permitting their women to remain childless until 40, 30, or even 25 years of age

Kralizec on October 15, 2006 at 4:28 AM

I remember in the summer of 2001, there was a mini-uproar by feminists regarding the burkha in Afghanistan. The tv show 7th Heaven raised the subject. However, post 9/11/01, there is not much coming from the fems regarding the matter of the Islamic subjugation of women. Is it because men will have to be men to deal with the issue?

When I had my first baby at the age of 20, I was looked down upon. I separated from the military early to stay home with the baby, while my hubby brought home the bacon. Although former friends my age sneered and raised their noses at this arrangement, it has worked out greatly for our family of six.

Waiting to have a career and to be self sustaining before having a child is a wise move. It is a societal goal. But it doesn’t always work out that way, and in my case, my family is better for it.

Yes, Big Mo’s taking a child bride of six or nine years is fine gross-out comedy, but westerners have the opposite problem: Women drift along for ten and twenty years after completing puberty, totally fertile, yet totally barren. That seems fine as a matter of individual rights, but as a mass movement, it’s become deadly. So far, there’s been no one with the brains and balls to put a stop to it.

That’s … are there words?

Axe on October 15, 2006 at 2:04 AM

Medieval springs to mind.

Evil.

Isaac Asimov said no such thing.

That’s true. That’s why I said “Or as Issac Asimov would have put it in The Three Laws of Religeons:” Meaning that he didn’t actually say this. I paraphrased him. Poorly, I might add. Par for the course, I suppose.

Christoph:

His nonsensical “laws of robotics” don’t relate to religion.

EFG: Well, there isn’t a litteral connection, Dude.

Christoph: EFG, face it, there isn’t any conncection.*

Oh well. I guess I’m stuck playing Walter Sobchak in this imaginary dialog…

*(not actually written by Christoph.)

I’ve never really understood the whole marked, second-tier, my word counts as one-half his word concept until this moment. It’s so foreign, it never even came up in my thinking. It’s not that I didn’t know about it, I just never thought about it.

These guys would mark me. They mark people. They would mark me with a pig. They mark Jews in Israel in those textbooks with pigs.

That’s … are there words?

“Don’t Lose Your Head… Forget The Jimmy-Hat, Get A Dhimmy-Hat!”

I’ll have to work on that slogan for awhile me thinks.

Who wants to invest in my Dhimmi-Hats?

I’m really getting sick, and tired of everyone caving into the groups who refuse to denounce terrorists. Is it just me?