While UN Security Council Resolution 1718 will indeed cause some, perhaps even major, discomfort for the North Korean elite, China has already laid the ground work for not enforcing 1718 to the letter by suggesting the PRC will not interdict North Kore…

china is full of fools, and cannot be relied on to do anything, they are going to self-destruct. IMHO.

tormod

That is my fearful assumption too. They are too clever by half. I fear the Chinese would be happy if half the world incinerated if it left them with the other half. China makes me think of America during the westward expansion, the era of the robber barons and supercapitalists but without the Western Judeo-Christian underlayment to reign them in. Current technology now allows so much more damage to be inflicted in the consumption-spree. Stalinist robber barons.

Nprth Korea is a nation of one stalinist robber baron. Or their leader is a puppet of a cabal of top-feeders.

Why does the Bush administration consider the U.N. to be sacrosanct? This charade is really getting to be embarrassing and dangerous to our security.

… was the commentator whom I was responding to. My comment is everything below that.

And the UN these days is dominated, or at least stymied, by despots in Beijing and Moscow. It’s unlikely to be very useful for the foreseeable future.

Why does the Bush administration consider the U.N. to be sacrosanct? This charade is really getting to be embarrassing and dangerous to our security.

Why do you think this is new or in any way unique to the Bush administration?

The only reason there was a U.N. involvement in the Korean war in the first place was because the USSR was boycotting the Security Council for recognizing Chiang Kai-shek’s government in Taiwan. If not for this Soviet miscalculation, they would have vetoed the U.N. resolution authorizing force to defend South Korea and it would be communist.

Bush didn’t set it up this way, it was the five major powers at the end of WW2. Now, this is a daft idea I think, but it’s how things are. And why France has a veto on the Security Council, but India doesn’t is just one of those historical oddities that come when you win a major war.

Because darn it all, France fought so heroically and the Indians didn’t.

/sarcasm off

Seriousness on: Many French fought herorically.

I admit I’m no mindreader, but I keep vaguely perceiving a local attachment to the UN at HotAir. The UN is acknowledged to be corrupt, feckless, and anti-American, but is somehow still held to be worth bringing up for purposes other than disparagement. Of course, any mention of the UN does acquire some instrumental value when it provokes my own disparagement.

Bryan is on it. So is Captain Ed, and Pajamas Media is in on the act, too. The United Nations Security Council agreed unanimously to impose sanctions on North Korea:The U.N. Security Council voted unanimously on Saturday to impose punishing sanction…

North Korea: Sanctions=War! Unanimous UN Security Council: Your butt is sanctioned. Therefore, the DPRK is at war with us. By the way, why didn’t we approve Bolton? He’s rammed these sanctions through the UN about as well as anyone could…….

Woo freaken hoo.

So the U.N. Security Council voted unanimously in favor of sanctions for North Korea, classifying its nuclear test as a “clear threat to international peace and security”. The U.S., the Brits, and the French wrestled with the more appeasey of the bu…

The UN passed the resolution unanimously, though it is far from sufficient to deter North Korea from continuing its militarism and nuclear weapons program. It specifically and explicitly rules out the use of force to enforce the resolution. In other …..

The North Koreans may get violent — as I’ve pointed out in other forums, the North Koreans are begging to be destroyed by the US military. It will be up to them as to how that takes place.

The weapons that destroy North Korea’s threat are those the North Koreans never see, can’t defeat, and pretend we don’t possess in huge numbers.

Via FOX:
The U.N. Security Council voted unanimously on Saturday to impose punishing sanctions on North Korea for its claimed nuclear test, declaring that its action posed “a clear threat to interntional peace and security.”
The vote cam…

Intl. Herald Tribune, 12/21/2005,
A toxic waste spill from a zinc smelter, the second environmental disaster to hit China in weeks, forced one city to halt water supplies from a southern Chinese river for eight hours and threatened other cities downstream, state media said on Wednesday.

The accident comes as the Chinese government is still trying to cope with the results of an explosion at a chemical plant in northeast China last month which poisoned drinking water for millions and sent a toxic spill heading to neighboring Russia.

The latest spill dumped the chemical cadmium into the North River, which cuts across the southern Chinese province of Guangdong. Water taken from the river in the city of Shaoguan – about 250 kilometers, or 155 miles, north of Hong Kong – found cadmium levels 10 times above normal amounts, The Guangzhou Daily said Wednesday.

“It has been confirmed that the Shaoguan smelter illegally discharged the cadmium-containing waste water during an overhaul of equipment,” the newspaper said.

china is full of fools, and cannot be relied on to do anything, they are going to self-destruct. IMHO.

In his first term, President Bush developed a reputation as a poker player, constantly outmaneuvering the Democrats while staying a step or two ahead of international opponents, but in his second term he has let the Democrats and pretty much everyone else get the better of him – Bryan

Can we be sure? A good poker player doesn’t go bad. Bush knows more of the cards than we do. He may be playing better than appears. Or he could be an idiot. You cannot tell the difference in a good game.

“China also doesn’t want a Korea united under a democratic, capitalist government, at least not yet – Bryan”

Or ever? Keeping Korea weak by division makes them less competition for market share and drains the USA. China loves one people, the Chinese.

The ideal way to deal with Korea is to make them a problem to China. Only then will China act.

Deep inside I had a dream that the fools in the North would cause a health threat to China – in some way, radiation, destroying a bunch of paying customers, threatening the drinking water.

Blockading the NOrth may not hurt China, it may help. Open up more trade. Make the North more dependent.

If only the North could impact Walmart orders to Chinese factories.

There is a memorial in North Korea, the Juche Tower. Makes me think of the Arizona 911 memorial. Has 82 frienship plaques around the base. What we have to do is see who those friends are.

We don’t need them do do any “dirty work” for us. If we ever have to go to war against China or Russia, we can do the job.

I wouldn’t call being able to defend oneself without depending on the USA doing our “dirty work”. We have enough on our plate without having to charge to the rescue of, say, Taiwan. As for taking on China/Russia/Islam?, let it be on our terms and schedule.

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I wouldn’t equate the Iranian and Norko programs too much. Iran is pursuing a uranium track while the Norko’s have concentrated on Plutonium (though they supposedly started a uranium enrichment program in the past few years). The technology and requirements for producing the fissile material for each is vastly different and so are the weapon designs.

It’s hard to see how China and Russia can view a nuke arms race in their neighborhood as to their advantage. But a Japan, Taiwan, S. Korea, Australia, able to defend themselves with their own nukes is much to our advantage. Are we sure we want NoKo to cease and desist?

dhimwit on October 13, 2006 at 4:08 PM

I’m 100% sure. There is absolutely no telling in what direction that jackass will fling a horribly inaccurate missile. It could be SK, Japan, China, Russia, Thailand, etc. (maybe even as far as the US or Australia if they get their missile issues resolved). There is no telling WHY he would do it.

I can’t speak for anyone else, but I do not wish a surprise nuclear detonation on anyone. As much as Russia and China piss me off, it’s not their people that do it. It’s their governments (much like the US government finds a way to piss me off every day, and I live here).

If NK starts lobbing nuclear tipped missiles around, it’s not going to be those governments that will suffer per se. It’s going to be innocents who are just trying to go about their daily lives with no fuss that eat the detonation. Even if the missiles land in unpopulated areas, there would be widespread fallout issues.

It’s simply better that NK doesn’t have them. We don’t need them do do any “dirty work” for us. If we ever have to go to war against China or Russia, we can do the job.

Bad boy, bad boy, whatchya gonna do when special ops comes for you.

Kimmie is an extreme egomaniac with two big friends.
Santions mean zilch, nada, to this guy, only when his life hangs in the balance will he come to the table.
That’s why he instantly retaliates with escalation, his only concern is his own skin.
His ease with which he sacrifices the lives of millions is proof that they are just spendable currency to him.

Even as he is positive that his life will end, he’d still rather climb a tree and lie versus stand on the ground and tell the truth. When the truth would serve better (sounds like B. Clinton).

Only when this bad boy is ready to take exile on Bintan Island will the world be free to move on from his threats.

Let’s not forget, North Korea isn’t the only crazy regime out there – remember Iran and al-Qaeda?…