Do GOP leaders think evangelical Christians are “nuts”?

posted at 11:39 am on October 12, 2006 by Allahpundit

Just got an e-mail with a link to this article from the lovely KP, who adds snottily, “Nice party you have.”

Doesn’t she mean, “Nice party we have”?

But I digress.

More than five years after President Bush created the Office of Faith-Based Initiatives, the former second-in-command of that office is going public with an insider’s tell-all account that portrays an office used almost exclusively to win political points with both evangelical Christians and traditionally Democratic minorities…

Kuo, who has complained publicly in the past about the funding shortfalls, goes several steps further in his new book.

He says some of the nation’s most prominent evangelical leaders were known in the office of presidential political strategist Karl Rove as “the nuts.”

“National Christian leaders received hugs and smiles in person and then were dismissed behind their backs and described as ‘ridiculous,’ ‘out of control,’ and just plain ‘goofy,’” Kuo writes.

I’m outraged!

This reminds me of jihadi sympathizers who celebrate 9/11 as a great victory, then turn around and tell you Mossad did it. Leftists need to decide: is Bush a fundie nutjob who’s ready to usher in the Rapture with a few well placed ICBMs? Or is he a calculating secularist who thinks the idea of a Rapture is silly and mock-worthy? Can’t have it both ways, boys.

Of course, in theory, you also can’t believe that Bush is both (a) a stuttering mongoloid and (b) Hitler. But that hasn’t stopped the Olberdouche, for example, who was doing plenty of crank-yanking about this on last night’s show. Well, fine, in that case. At least it spares us from yet another 12-minute “special comment” experiment in just how rich a shade of purple English prose can get.

We’re laughing about this, but we really shouldn’t be. New today from Gallup:


Mark Foley’s loss is the Red Letter Christians’ gain!

And speaking of Foley, here’s the latest:

[I]nvestigators for the House ethics committee are bearing down on three senior members of Hastert’s staff to determine when they learned of Foley’s actions and whether they passed on their knowledge to the speaker.

The three — chief of staff Scott Palmer, deputy chief of staff Mike Stokke and counsel Ted Van Der Meid — have formed a palace guard around Hastert (R-Ill.) for years, attaining great degrees of power and unusual autonomy to deal with matters of politics, policy and House operations. They are also remarkably close. Palmer and Stokke have been with Hastert for decades. They live together in a Capitol Hill townhouse and commute back to Illinois on weekends.

According to WaPo, Hastert himself also shares a townhouse with Palmer. Recall too that since this scandal broke, we’ve learned that former House clerk Jeff Trandahl is homosexual, as is Kirk Fordham, who was Tom Reynolds’s chief of staff until the scandal broke. As is, of course, Mark Foley.

Is everyone in the GOP gay?


Update: ALF is pissed: “Starting salary in the Bush administration? 30 Pieces of Silver.”

Update: An interesting analogy below from Ennuipundit:

By serving up the Evangelicals on a platter to the Republican party, Christian leaders marginalized them, the same way that the so-called Civil Rights leaders marginalized African-American voters by offering them en masse to the Democrats. Once convinced that the other side is not going to listen to you, take you seriously and care about what matters to you, the side you support then can stop listening to you, taking you seriously and caring about what matters to you.

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Another fantastic thread. I have seen some very intelligent (and some not so intelligent) debate in here. It seems that religiousish topics actually bring out reason here at HotAir. Everywhere else, religion tends to drive reason out into the night, naked and screaming.

Honora, I am impressed, you made some points that have had me thinking, thank you.

Soothsayer – caps = SHOUTING and is very rude. Try the emphasis tag, it is much more effective. I agree with much of what you said, it was just hard to read.

Ennuipundit – I couldn’t possibly agree with you about your views on abortion and God’s will. They are diametrically opposed to His character and His words in the Bible. Sin is sin and it is never acceptable.

I wish I could add something to this discussion, but I am afraid all I have is kudos and criticism tonight.

theholyhermit on October 13, 2006 at 12:59 AM

And the Red Letter Christians are Red? That’s not what I’ve heard. From their site:
For decades, leaders of the Religious Right have attempted to convince Christians and the American public that people of faith and strong moral values have only one option when it comes to voting.
Esthier on October 12, 2006 at 12:07 PM

Jim Wallis is a minister of SATAN, he’s like the “Reverend” Barry Lynde, who breathes blasphemy with every breath. The nancy boys will think these statments harsh because they don’t know that the Bible declares that satan HAS MINISTERS. This would lead to having to actually READ THE BIBLE in order to determine WHO’S WHO and we can’t have that, now can we? Nevertheless the Bible does declare that the devil has ministers and they comprise the Red Letter Christians, the Vatican and all their offshoots.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 (King James Version)

13. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.


15. Therefore it is no great thing IF HIS MINISTERS ALSO BE TRANSFORMED AS THE MINISTERS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS; whose end shall be according to their works.

The true Christian CHurch is the APOSTOLIC CHURCH, who’s doctrine of baptism and indwelling of the Holy Spirit, has not changed since Peter gave the first sermon on the day of Pentecost.

Would you like to know how you can spot a minister of satan? He will never deal with the scriptures SPECIFICALLY! The Bible as you may or may not know, deals with many many subjects concerning the human condition. Everything from communism, to killing children in sacrifice is discussed in great detail. See, these Red Letter Guys? They’re nothing more than liberals trying to fund social programs! And given the paucity of Biblical knowledge on this supposedly conservative site and in the world in general, they are able to FOOL MANY.

See, the subject of the poor is dealt with GENERALLY in scriptures like ” take care of the widows and orphans”, NOT specifically. Notice a group of people missing from that list? Where are the men? AH-HAH! Now, you will see the devil Jim Wallis and cohorts in action! See, they’d like to use scriptures like that to justify funding for every liberal entitlement ever created! But curiously every time Jesus mentioned caring for the poor, as in widows and orphans, he never mentioned the MEN, I wonder why? See Wallis and his cronies don’t want you to know that the Bible deals with the subjects of LAZINESS and LAYING AROUND ON YOUR FAT ASS WHILE OTHERS WORK, SPECIFICALLY not generally. They don’t want you to know this because it would make them look as stupid as they are! But the church in Thessolonica had an epidemic of LAZINESS! People were of the mind that they would just wait on the Lord’s return and NOT BOTHER TO WORK sounds like a welfare state to me!

2Thessalonians 3: 10-12

10. For even when we were with you, THIS WE COMMANDED YOU, THAT IF ANY WOULD NOT WORK, NEITHER SHOULD HE EAT!!! (oops! see they don’t want you to know this! It’s why some of ’em speak Latin!)

11. For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.

12. Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.

So as you can see these fake preachers would rather not deal with the scriptures that GOVERN certain behaviour or situations, they would rather fool you with general scriptures that they can twist.

P.S. This is why I laid all that stuff on you about the Lord’s condemnation of Homosexuality! If you tried to determine the Lords take of homosexuality you would be an idiot to take a GENERAL scripture like “God is Love”, and think you found the answer. That would neglect the voluminous scriptures where the LORD SPECIFICALLY tells you, what homosexuality is, where it comes from, and how you BETTER end up “feeling” about it!

Soothsayer on October 13, 2006 at 1:40 AM

I think you all should read Dick Armey’s response to Dobson.

rightwingprof on October 13, 2006 at 2:06 PM

Thank you, rightwingprof.

And so America’s Christian conservative movement is confronted with this divide: small government advocates who want to practice their faith independent of heavy-handed government versus big government sympathizers who want to impose their version of “righteousness” on others through the hammer of law.

BlueStateBlues on October 13, 2006 at 3:00 PM