Nuclear tests in North Korea have, according to them happened. The US intelligence agencies responsible for knowing what happened… don’t.
 
Kim Jong-il is full of bluster, Japan is hopping mad, South Koreans are protesting in the…

They are NOT Westernized and NEVER to be trusted.

Reread what I said.

They are not as staunchly communist as they use to be. They are slowly westernizing.

I agree that China is not western. The emphasis of my point was that their economic prosperity will likely be the cause of a crack-down on NK.

The only way we would lose a restarted Korean war, would be if the leftist media succeeds in sabotaging the will to win over time OR if the Democrats control Congress and/or the Presidency.

Another reason for AP and Michelle not sit home on election day.

georgej

VERY well said, georgej. I’ve been talking to a lot of military types myself lately (and listening to even more), and what I’m hearing from them, and what I’m hearing from the media, and even places like HotAir, are two very different things. I gotta go with the military on this.

We have not even begun to fight with the ferocity with which we’re capable.

If Kim attacks South Korea his party is over, and quickly. There is no doubt he would defeated almost immediately but unfornately it may be at great cost of life (mostly theirs).

If Kim does attack the United States and allies can remove a mad despot who is determined to disiminate nuclear and ballistic missile technology to anyone and everyone – for a price – and especially if they don’t like the United States. The people of North Korea could be liberated from a self serving dictator in Stalin’s mold and Korea would be reunitied.

China would out way ahead with trade and relations with the prosperiety of a united Korea and not be burned by a dead looser than cannot even feed it’s own people.

I realized why it was that Kim Jong Mentally Il tested his alleged nuke the other day. He’s so ronrey. See, instead of diplomacy, what we need to do is to empathize with poor ol’ Kim. And what better way to empathize with him, but to talk like him. S…

Two examples which have been triggers for the irrational and volatile “war” stance, presented by the Kim Jong Il regime…Video: Intercepted missile….

My recollection is that Stalin said that.

Gee, isn’t it great playing arm chair general? ;^)

Unless somebody in this thread is quoting from a theater intelligence assessment, my guess that what “we know” about the North is “what the leftwing, lying media, acting in it’s usual anti-American, anti-war mold, wants America to believe, and that we should be quivering in our boots at the thought of war against the invincible legions of the Dear Leader.”

The claim of massive numbers artillery tubes aimed south towards Seoul and the putative rate of fire is apocryphal; at best a claim from the same media that predicted 4 million dead in Afghanistan, 20,000 body bags, in both Iraq and Afghanistan, the “Mother of All Battles” and that “Kuwait would be America’s graveyard.”

In other words, what we take as “gospel” is nothing but leftwing media reguritated pap. And we know that the media’s editors are NEVER on American’s side in war and ALWAYS exaggerate the capabilities of the enemy while belittling our own.

I have no idea what the North Koreans have and neither does, I bet, anybody else outside serving members of the military working the problem of a possible war with North Korea with a top secret clearance, and I would suspect that such are NOT posting that information here.

But this I do know.

This is NOT 1950. Nor is it 1970. We have the best generals and military planners and the most lethal military on the planet. Kim may live in a fantasy world (though I doubt it), but his generals certainly don’t, and they know that South Korea and the United States won’t fight a post 1945-style heavy infantry dominated battle this time as we did in 1950, and that “human wave” tactics of the past when used today mean the slaughter of their troops for no reason.

Everything is different today. Quantity — in Stalin’s vernacular, if not equipped with modern arms and doctrine –is nothing but a collecton of CORPSES, not a path to victory. And Kim’s generals know it. And they have to be in dismay over the knowledge that they have to face the same military that not only repeatedly defeated Soviet proxies, using Soviet Doctrine, but captured Baghdad in 3 weeks, while outnumbered (on paper at least) by 4 to 1.

We fight “joint” now. We didn’t in 1950. With every outing, the ability of the ground pounders to communicate with the rest of the force, to view and respond to the battlespace, to apply precision guided ordinance, to destroy entire formations of the enemy armor without their even firing a shot, and to achieve complete mastery of the air, improves.

If you want to get a sense of what I’m talking about, get a copy of America’s Victories: Why the U.S. Wins Wars and Will Win the War on Terror, by Larry Schweikart, and read it.

If, and I hope this never happens, the Korean War restarts, the same media people who had no idea that we’d quickly defeat “the world’s 4th largest army, on their home turf” and the “Graveyard of Soviet and British Empires,” and the invinicble “Republican Guard- twice in a row” — without twenty thousand or more of KIA — are going to be equally dumbfounded at how war against North Korea will turn out in our favor.

That’s my prediction.

We have pledged that we will defend South Korea. We have the conventional military capable of doing just that. And we have the overwhelming NUCLEAR ability to terminate North Korea should that be required.

The only way we would lose a restarted Korean war, would be if the leftist media succeeds in sabotaging the will to win over time OR if the Democrats control Congress and/or the Presidency.

Another reason for AP and Michelle not sit home on election day.

I’m more a proponent of saber-rattling to see if NK will back down. I think the flyers could insite a revolt. Let the civilians take up arms against Kim.

And if we indeed do bomb the sites, that work could be performed by a long-range missle rather than a conventional fly over. Current perception is that NK’s hardware is old and dated compared to current technology. I think a missle could slip through.

…in response to coming sanctions. Alllah asks what’s left for North Korea to lose– why not go to war? Well, they have a lot to lose. Like, for example, their entire country. North Korea has about 24 hours to decimate……

Herr Morgenholz, my statement, above, was in support of what you wrote (I could have been clearer).

So its a million starved, brainwashed, weak, poorly equipped soldiers coming across the border. Praise the lord and pass the ammunition….

HerrMorgenholz on October 11, 2006 at 6:19 AM

And they are the sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, cousins, parents of someone in North- or South-Korea.

One of the biggest deterents to the Norks invading south is the generals are not all that sure they would be able to control their troops once they crossed… but there is the very real fear that the invasion would stall out at the first grocery store they came across…

LakeRuins on October 11, 2006 at 11:11 AM

So true. It takes only a few powerful/influential generals and it’s over. This is exactly what happened in Romania, when the equally ’strong’ and feared Ceausescu fell. There was no indication of it ahead of time, none.

How to work with China is key. She’s not in a war desirous position now, with aspirations for global leadership, the olympics preparations, Taiwan settlement, etc.

We have a problem with the nukes and Kim. We do not have a problem with the NK population. Drop some flyers to give a time and date. Allow the citizens to vacate the area. Drop the bombs.

natesnake, that’s a sure-fire way to get our pilots killed… do you REALLY want to give the NorKs advance notice of when and where we’ll be bombing?

Civilian casualties would be a problem; it wouldn’t surprise me in the least to find out that Jong-Il placed any nuc research centers smack dab in the middle of population centers. Give the people time to relocate (even assuming you get the word to them) and they’ll be able to relocate the research centers.

If we would try to destroy the research centers, be prepared for a LARGE number of civilian casualties (with the resultant crying from the MSM)

As someone who’s served on active duty and continues to serve in the reserve, there are segments of the military that are overstretched and have diminished morale. This doesn’t apply to the military as a whole however.

For instance, our ground forces are certifiably overextended. The published data on Army unit readiness confirms this. We will not be able to keep up the current levels of ground force employment more than another couple of years without seriously damaging the readiness, and therefore the capability, of our units.

There is all this talk about “timetables” and “cut and run” but no matter what the situation, we will be forced to reduce our forces in Iraq within one-two years simply because of the realities of the unsustainable ground force employment we’re currently in. Readiness of personnel and equipment is already suffering, which is the primary factor for diminished morale – not fighting and casualties as one would expect.

our military is overextended and morale is low.

AP, you dont really believe that, do you? If you bought the MSM B.S. , I wonder who else is…kim menally Il? This garbage that American forces are too thin is beyond stupid.
Sad-damn misjudged it too. Only Garafalo and similar naysayers claimed “We’re doomed”.
One Trident Sub, or a couple stealth bombers, hell, one Carrier has more power than all of North Korea combined

North Korea says that any…

I think you’re buying too much into the media’s portrayal of American military attitudes.

From what I hear from literally every service man and woman who protect us, they seem to really think they are doing some good in the world. I agree with em.

China and its allies are preparing for the largest conventional war in history. I doubt they will drop nukes. They will try to take out our satellites, diminish our technological advantage and try overrun the Earth like the cockroaches they are.

Current perception is that China has egg on their face over the situation. They have been active in trying to get NK to back away from their nuclear ambitions.

China is currently experiencing an industrial revolution that would rival what the U.S. experienced at the turn of the twentieth century. Their economy is gaining strength. They are now recognizing the advantages of capitolism. They are not as staunchly communist as they use to be. They are slowly westernizing.

I firmly believe that China would be more apt to diffuse the situation without military intervention. They do not want to risk their economic advances by siding with a lunatic just because he flys the communist flag.

To that point, if military intervention looks imminent, China may covertly overthrow Kim before things come to blows.