By neglecting to address my two Newsflashes, I assume you stand corrected.

I know the entire the great majority of the New Testament by memory

Well I sincerely commend you for that. Keep in mind that Jim Baker, Jerry Falwell, and David Coresh also had an encyclopedic knowlege of the bible. Quotation of the bible a virtuous man does not make.

You’re a bit extreme on a lot of stuff, though not completely wrong,RightWinged on October 13, 2006 at 1:39 AM

Is it extreme to point out what the Bible actually says, as opposed to those who are led religiously by their “feelings”? I believe what the WORD says on Homosexuals, abortion, etc. How is that extreme? Only in a land where people go to a church for years and still don’t have a clue as to what is or is not in the Word! Only in LUKEWARM land. I have Three of the NINE GIFTS of the SPirit. I have been healed by Jesus, I have laid hands on the sick and they have recovered. I have received the strength in times of trouble that would be akin to a miracle in your world. In 2004 I was shot 4 times, face, chest, arm and shoulder. The Lord gave me the strength after being shot multiple times, to knock my attacker unconscious and save my life and the life of my since departed mother. I know Jesus in SPirit and in truth. I received the word of knowledge shortly after being saved in 1992, because of this gift, I have an unerrant knowledge of scripture. I know the entire the great majority of the New Testament by memory, though I hardly studied. I prophesied in a Bible study a couple of years ago that the time would come when schools would discriminate against Christianity yet accept Islam and Judaism, this has recently come to pass. I know so much more about Jesus than the fake Christians that you’ve been exposed to that it’s not funny. And by fake, I mean, people who are baptized DIFFERENTLY than the way Jesus instructed his Apostles to baptize and who think they have been filled with the Holy Spirit WITHOUT the evidence given to the Apostles( tongues) and others, myself among them.

So I am extreme I guess, but it’s not borne of blind faith, my friend. It’s born of ANSWERED FAITH and Holy Ghost Power which I fully possess. It is the surety of one who learned at the feet of the King, which guides my speech. THAT’s why I’m appalled at the “Loose allegiance” some of the “so-called” Christians on this site have to the WORD of GOD. I’ve never discussed scripture with unregenerated people who thought they were Christian before.

read the party platform would ya? Where do you think the opposition to abortion comes from, if not Christianity?

You’re a bit extreme on a lot of stuff, though not completely wrong, and it would take too much time to argue about each individual thing, but I have to say that opposition to abortion doesn’t come only from Christianity. Opposition to abortion comes from a logical and scientific understanding of what human life is. I am a Christian and of course that is enough to oppose abortion, but I think there are plenty of reasons to oppose it regardless.

Uh. what?? Since when is the republican party the party of just Christians? What an absurd, repulsive post.
pullingmyhairout on October 11, 2006 at 5:04 PM

If you want to worship satan or be an atheist, GO BE A DEMOCRAT, they’d love to have ya. This is a CHRISTIAN PARTY numbnutz, read the party platform would ya? Where do you think the opposition to abortion comes from, if not Christianity? Take you “tolerant” fake assed, non-bible reading, scripturally illiterate ass to the next “anti-war” rally, kiss Cindy Sheehans dimpled butt and call it a day.

By your analogy, speaking in tounges today is contrary to the expreseed will of Jesus Christ. How many people in Atlanta Georgia speak Arabic?

Wrong. Paul specifically dealt with the subject of when tongues are appropriate and when they are not. He specifically said that when you speak in tongues it EDIFIES you. Not the church, just you. This is great and necessary, as Paul said, don’t be children in understanding, meaning, don’t think he’s talking AGAINST tongues because he wasn’t. However the 14 chapter of 1 corinthians was written in RESPONSE to an out of contol church that had ministers speaking in tongues from the pulpit, just to show how “holy ” they were. Paul counseled against this in the scriptures you are debating where he SPECIFICALLY said that unless he speaks words easy to understand, what is the point?

To the rest who now have branded me an extremist for actually believing what the Bible says, I feel sorry for you. The corruption that is in this world through lust, has already corrupted your heart since, as the scripture says, I have to let God be true and EVERY man a liar. You who know nothing about the scriptures and instead are led by your feelings of political correctness, look up this proverb 14. Your “feelings” aren’t worth a flying fart to the Lord..

PROVERBS 14:12
12. There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

The Lord put this in the Bible to show you that you dont’ have a clue HOW to feel about anything, because you generally don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground. He gave you a NEW value system, where you are required to “love what God loves, and hate what God hates”, one of the things that God “hates” is ABOMINATION. I’m sorry to see that more of you are not Christian. It’s the reason I joined the Republican party. Judging by the lukewarm, antagonistic to scripture, responses I have received, I’m glad I no longer belong to the Republican party. Good bye.

This is my last post on this topic. I find it VERY difficult to respond to ALL of your points when I have two kids wanting Animal Planet and juice, at the same time that I try to get dinner cooked, work on household issues, walk the dog, volunteer at school, help with homework, get ready for a slumber party, etc. sorry if I don’t put as much thought or energy into my comments, but I do try my best.

we will just have to disagree on this topic. Time to move on now.

pullingmyhairout on October 12, 2006 at 6:10 PM

Agreed.. I just wish someone else would have even made an attempt.

So if you want to respond to all points in my previous comments do so, but if you are going to continue dancing around like this, please don’t bother.

This is my last post on this topic. I find it VERY difficult to respond to ALL of your points when I have two kids wanting Animal Planet and juice, at the same time that I try to get dinner cooked, work on household issues, walk the dog, volunteer at school, help with homework, get ready for a slumber party, etc. sorry if I don’t put as much thought or energy into my comments, but I do try my best.

we will just have to disagree on this topic. Time to move on now.

What other questions were directed towards me specifically?

None of them were addressed to you specifically, but you chose to reply, but ignored almost all points raised. But anyway…

Again, I have to point out that I didn’t bring God in to this, but YOU talking specifically to me said that you believe marriage is between a man and a woman, because that’s what God said. You somehow don’t see the hypocrisy, when you claim that gays are born that way. Again, before I get back to the God part, if gays are born that way (which I don’t believe), they should be entitled to everything we are, right? You claim no, because God said it’s between a man and a woman. But why do you continue to ignore Bible verses where he condemns “homosexuality”? Could it be because “progressive” society and possibly a relative claiming to be gay has forced you to accept it, and then pick and choose parts of the Bible to believe?

As for the “living a lie” thing, you’re talking about their private lives, etc. Well you’re missing my point. I believe these are dishonest people at their core. You don’t have to agree, but you’re not understanding what I’m saying. I DON’T ACCEPT “homosexuality” as real, so it’s not a “what they do is their business” issue. If they are doing it, then as far as I’m concerned they are dishonest 24/7, and I don’t want that type of person representing a party I belong to. Again, you can disagree and think homosexuality is real, but since I don’t think it is, my point stands (for me). Also, if you want to take it to the closeted area, don’t you think spending time hiding that lifestyle could distract and take away from the ability to represent us? It’s not like having an old story from when you were younger guried, it’s an ongoing thing and drains a large percentage of one’s energy.

Again, you’ve totally ignored a lot of my points from the earlier post in your most recent response, but at least you tried a few more. But you ignored my response about civil unions. (i.e. polygamists, etc.)

As for this:

Uh, yea. but it’s illegal to have sex with children. it isn’t illegal to be gay. big difference. One can be acted upon, the other can’t.

Is this your test of whether it’s okay or not? Laws? It was against the law to “act upon” gay sex in many states until very recently. It was still being battled out in Texas in 2003 last I knew. In fact there may still be a few states where sodomy is against the law, but I’m not certain of that. But my point is, would you have not been okay with gays a couple decades ago when it was still illegal to “act upon” it in many states? And are you saying that if pedophile sex was legalized, you’d suddenly accept that? Why is it wrong to have sex with kids? What if a person claims that they’re born that way? What if they get a growing group to push for their rights for a few generations until laws are overturned? I’m sure you’d say “it’s not the same as gays because in that case we’re talking about 2 consenting adults”, well who says what an adult is? That is a human/American law. A few generations ago most people would have condemned homosexuality the same way you and I justifiably do pedohpilia today. But homos have been mainstreamed so many people have compromised and accepted it. But that’s not the point. Explain why gays are born that way, but pedophiles aren’t, after acknowledging that “adult/child” are artificial labels.

Again, I don’t want to keep repeating points when you largely choose to ignore them and selectively half-assed respond to certain parts in a way that makes clear you’ve never thought much about this, but exist in a generation that has accepted gays so you went along with the pack.

So if you want to respond to all points in my previous comments do so, but if you are going to continue dancing around like this, please don’t bother.

Other than that I don’t have much else to say because while you claimed to be responding to me, you didn’t respond to any of my specific points.

You asked earlier:

do any of you who are mad that some of us don’t accept “homosexuality” do you accept gay marriage? And if not, how do you justify that?

Rightwinged, I made a half-assed attempt to answer that. See the 9:30 post that you don’t agree with.

you didn’t respond to any of my specific points.

BTW,
I still think you are wrong for wanting to kick gays out of the republican party. Axe said it’s about compromise. I agree. We don’t all believe the exact same things all the time. But, we agree on most things. That’s important to remember.

What other questions were directed towards me specifically? I’d be glad to try to answer them. I’ll take a shot at it:

1.

It’s about choosing to live a complete lie. Why would I want someone being elected as a member of the party I support, who’s entire life is a lie?

Well, is total transparency a requirement to hold public office? shouldn’t there be some things that are off-limits? A private life for one?
Being a closet homosexual is his/her own business/problem/issue, however you want to define it. It doesn’t/shouldn’t affect how someone legislates.

2.

You talk about “consenting adults”, who are you to say what a consenting adult is, those are just ages settled on by states and feds, but they aren’t truly…anything.

Yea, they are just ages. what they choose to do behind closed doors is their business, as long as it doesn’t cause harm to others.

3.

As I said, what if someone claims to be born only attracted to kids. Terrifying and disgusting thought, huh?

Uh, yea. but it’s illegal to have sex with children. it isn’t illegal to be gay. big difference. One can be acted upon, the other can’t.

Anyway, I hope I answered some of your questions. My kids are home from school and my attention needs to be focused on them. gotta run.

They set up a system DESIGNED TO KEEP YOU IGNORANT, that’s why they talk to you in a language you cannot understand, contrary to the expressed will of Jesus Christ.

By your analogy, speaking in tounges today is contrary to the expreseed will of Jesus Christ. How many people in Atlanta Georgia speak Arabic?

Newsflash Soothsayer: The Catholic mass has not been singularly spoken in Latin since the Second Vatican Council almost 40 years ago.

That was a glaring error. Just ponder the potential of how many other things you are wrong about.

Second Newsflash: Without the Catholic and Orthodox church carrying the torch of Jesus Christ for 1500 years, there would be no record, no bible, and no Church. Including yours.

You are welcome to your opinions. It’s not my desire or responsibility to judge you. Everyone’s day of judgement will come and it will be one on one arrangment. I hope you relinquish your hatred before that day comes. Only God knows the true hearts of men.

As for your question about “party line”, it’s not about that. It’s about choosing to live a complete lie. Why would I want someone being elected as a member of the party I support, who’s entire life is a lie? Perverting human nature isn’t the same as differing on tax policy.

And quickly, “civil unions” aren’t all that gays want. If you’ve ever watched a debate between a couple of these guys on O’Reilly (Who supports civil unions) or anywhere else, that’s not good enough for them. And if you give civil unions, then you better be prepared for an extremely effed kup country, because equal protection. Polygamists sucking resources dry with their dozens of kids and multiple wives, etc. etc.

Other than that I don’t have much else to say because while you claimed to be responding to me, you didn’t respond to any of my specific points. I’m not going to waste my time retyping it, but how about my question on whether it’s just a coincidence that there are two sexes and that sex between the two is the only way to create a child. No matter how hard gays try, they simply can’t do it. How about my point about Foley? You talk about “consenting adults”, who are you to say what a consenting adult is, those are just ages settled on by states and feds, but they aren’t truly…anything. As I said, what if someone claims to be born only attracted to kids. Terrifying and disgusting thought, huh? Well, I argue that we’d say the same a couple decades ago about gays. Again, I don’t want to waste my time repeating myself, so if you wish to actually discuss this, please actually respond to my previous post first instead of pretending to and then just saying you believe gays are born that way and picking and choosing what you believe the Bible says.

Scroll up and read Soothsayer’s post. Scary stuff. I’m Republican through and through, but that ain’t me.

me too.

Rightwinged, I think what many are saying is that kicking someone out of the republican party because of his personal lifestyle is just flat wrong. especially if their given lifestyle is between two consenting adults. I continue to disagree with you on this point. Are you saying that if someone doesn’t completely tow the party line that they shouldn’t be republican? I’m pro-life. To me, that means no abortion and no death penalty. And I consider myself to be an 8 on the liberal-conservative scale (10 being ultra right wing).
As for the gay marriage debate, I am one of those who think that being gay is not a choice. Marriage is dictated from God, between a man and a woman. God defines it, not man. So therefore, although I believe that people who are gay are born that way, marriage should be reserved for man/woman unions, because that what God dictated. I have no problem with civil unions, which is really all they want anyway. To me, it’s not a hypocritical position at all.

soothsayer said:

The catholic church is the false church prophesied by the apostle PAUL in 1TiM 4:1-4, he prophesied that EVIL men would arise from their midst and CORRUPT THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST.

So, what’s the true church then? Orthodoxy? Yes? Since Catholicism is an offshoot of Orthodoxy, that makes sense.
And catholic with a small “c” means “universal.” Greek translation, I believe.

and soothsayer, republicans come in all different shapes and forms. To make it a party of just Christians doesn’t make sense.

I reject that label, and you do nobody except yourself a service when you confuse your religion with my politics.

Wish the thread had gone this direction; this is the interesting bit to me. I’m trying to understand what he’s thinking. Out of control.

Hmm … out of whose control, maybe?

Nothing happened to either of them, or to us…and nothing will.

. . . homosexuality is normal in most animal species in roughly the same proportions as it is in humans. From a scientific perspective, that is a fact that proves a norm. Homeosexuality not an aborration.

Bob, without taking issue with your larger point, this idea, others notwithstanding, seems to imply that every condition present in a particular person is a natural, healthy, normal (not-aberrant) state, if people can be said to be born with the condition, and if it can be found in another animal (please give me the benefit of the doubt; it would take a few more sentences to narrow that down properly). I’ve had to wrestle my way through all this like everyone else, for my own answers, and I’m pretty sure that this idea just doesn’t work out.

Again, without taking issue with your larger points. This thread, like every other thread anywhere near the topic, is running hot hot hot, and I figure taking issue with everything here I don’t think is just right would require a career choice :)

Jesus through Scripture told you that Homosexuals are the way they are because somewhere along the way, they dissed Him IN THEIR HEARTS.

Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, HE GAVE THEM OVER TO A DEPRAVED MIND, to do what ought not to be done. And you waste LIFE blaming me…

I show you that their condemnation has manifold expression, mainly that Jesus linked the rise of homosexuality with his second coming LUKE 17….You of course, blame me.

I show you how YOUR ACCEPTANCE OF HOMOSEXUALS PLACES YOU IN DANGER because you are “approving” of their practices and just to be clear, we’re not talking about someguy watching porn or something, we’re talking about legislation, a seat at the table and all the things they’re teaching your children in school!!…You as is typical, blame me…I’m the bad guy…

32. ALTHOUGH THEY KNOW GOD’S RIGHTEOUS DECREE THAT THOSE WHO DO SUCH THINGS DESERVE DEATH, THEY NOT ONLY CONTINUE TO DO THESE VERY THINGS, (here’s where some of us come in), BUT ALSO APPROVE of those WHO PRACTIVE THEM. (so much for your “big tent”)

See friends it doesn’t matter what kind of God you think you believe in. JESUS’ EXPRESS WILL IS CONTAINED IN SCRIPTURE. You would do well to acquaint yourself with His Word because you are all so illiterate as to almost be retarded when it comes to scripture….Lemme guess, you’re of the Jesus loves everybody and ain’t sendin’ no one to hell variety, huh? Well, here’s Jesus telling you the EXACT OPPOSITE OF THE JUNK YOU BELIEVE! Riddle me this Batman….Who’s right, YOU, or JESUS, ’cause this Jesus is DEFINITELY sending folks to HELL.

MATT 7:21-22
21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.( oops I thought he “loved” everybody)

23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.( HMMMM, so here we have Jesus TURNING PEOPLE AWAY FROM THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN ON JUDGEMENT DAY, quite in oppostition to the feckless expressions of faith by the “I believe in a loving God”, crowd huh?)

The catholic church is the false church prophesied by the apostle PAUL in 1TiM 4:1-4, he prophesied that EVIL men would arise from their midst and CORRUPT THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST. They did. At the time of his writing “64AD” or thereabouts, there was no such thing as the “Catholic Church”. The only teaching followed was the Apostles Doctrine of water baptism in JESUS’ NAME and indwelling of the HOLY SPIRIT, evidenced by speaking in tongues like the Apostles did (ACTS 2:1-4). This would remain constant until the death of the Last Apostle, (John, isle of patmos, revelation). Then the corrupt men that were inspired not by God but by the enemy, could CHANGE the doctrine and corrupt the fruit (you) of the Tree.

Paul and the other Apostles had to continually warn the church against “changing the gospel”(Galatians 1:7-9). The Christian Church was going through the greatest oppression it has faced to date, remember the lions? Well the opposition to Christianity centered around the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, so COWARDS within the church did exactly what the apostles warned them not to do….they changed the doctrine of Jesus Christ. They formed the Liberal Church, I bet you didn’t even know that the word “CATHOLIC” means “LIBERAL, OR GENERIC” did you? Well, it does. These cowards changed water Baptism from Jesus’ NAME to the empty titles, “Father, Son and Holy Ghost”. These same corrupt men no longer demanded that one have proof one has received the Holy Ghost, prior to this a believer had to wait until JESUS changed their language through glossalalia (speaking in tongues) see acts 2:1-4 Acts 2:38, Acts 4:12, Acts 10:42-end, Acts 19:1-6 etc.. The corrupt men made it like a club, anyone can join, no proof necessary! Enter the Mega-church. Consequentially they lost all NINE GIFTS of the SPIRIT not to mention the initianl indwelling of the HOLY SPIRIT itself, which is evidenced by speaking in tongues!

Now, the Catholic church and it’s offshoots, ( Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans, Episcopalian, Protestant) no longer have the power that Jesus promised his followers, nor are they saved. The catholic church was set up almost in complete opposition to the scriptures, complete with idolatry, and feigned status. They set up a system DESIGNED TO KEEP YOU IGNORANT, that’s why they talk to you in a language you cannot understand, contrary to the expressed will of Jesus Christ.

1Corinthians 14:9
So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air.

Guess the Pope missed that one ‘eh? How about him making you blaspheme and violate an express commandment of Christ, each time you address him as “Holy Father”?

Matt 23:9
And do NOT call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. (If you can find a bible you will notice that the words that came directly out of Jesus’ mouth are printed in RED. Hard to miss, what’s the popes excuse?)

Hmmm. Caller? What say you? Anyhoo, the fake church began it’s reign and all of it’s offshoots are what you are familiar with, it’s why you don’t know anything about the faith you embrace. You think you can have a “position” on something that is in DIRECT OPPOSITION to the expressed will of JESUS and it’ll work out well for you?

Well, why do YOU think the story of SODOM and GOMORRAH is IN your BIBLE? Extra space? They ran outta words so they threw SODOM in? Why do you think the LORD HIMSELF told you that HOMOSEXUALITY is an ABOMINATION and that people (in the O.T) should be KILLED FOR IT? These words came from the LORD HIMSELF not from some heckler in the crowd!

Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an ABOMINATION, they shall surely be put to DEATH; their blood shall be upon them.

So, what’s the weak, pablum puking, let’s all get along, answer to the question? Why is this in your bible if GOD doesn’t mean it? See, it’s easy to talk that “GOD is love” stuff when you have no specific scripture on a specific SUBJECT!! It’s easy to forget that HELL is gonna be FULL of somebody! So why? I’d like to hear what you great theologians think. Why did PETER, in the New testament for those of you in Rio Linda, specifically say that the DESTRUCTION OF SODOM AND GOMORRAH was an example for you, so that you would not live as they lived or tolerate what they tolerated, if it were not so? Why does Peter SPECIFICALLY say that LOT was “Just” for being “intolerant” of the homosexuals that were surrounding his house trying to ass rape his guests?

2PETER 2
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. IF HE CONDEMNED THE CITIES OF SODOM AND GOMORRAH BY BURNING THEM TO ASHES, AND MADE THEM AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE UNGODLY
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)—
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.

Why is all this in your BIBLE if it isn’t true? Why did God say he hated homosexuals if HE didn’t? You do know what abomination means don’t you? Why did he say you’ll share their fate for tolerating them, if he didn’t mean it? You people act like I said all that stuff, I didn’t, I just told you who were deceived by men in pointy hats, who read the bible in languages that you don’t know, WHAT THE BOOK ACTUALLY SAYS! As opposed to what you’d like it to say.

And NEWSFLASH, you know next to nothing about what the WORD actually says,you are the Christians who celebrate the day that was started IN OPPOSTION TO THE LORD, trick or treat?

You are the type of people WHO THINK THAT JESUS CAME TO BRING “PEACE ON EARTH” RIGHT? Well perhaps this will convince you of your ignorance. Christ DID NOT come to bring PEACE he came to bring the opposite. Since this is diametrically opposed to every lukewarm thought you have of Christ, I’ll back it up with scripture in a moment. See, an Angel( who wasn’t omniscient or omnipotent), wished “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men. This has been perverted by the evil men you learned from, to have been some “mission statement” for Jesus. WRONG. By following those who had no proof of the Holy SPirit that allegedly lay within them, you being blind, have followed the blind. Because you don’t know the FIRST thing about JESUS if you don’t even know WHY HE CAME! You would at least give me that one, huh? If you don’t know WHY Jesus came, you don’t really know that much about him, now do you? He did NOT come to bring, “Peace on Earth”, quite the contrary… MATTHEW 10.

34 .”Do NOT suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did NOT come to bring peace, but a sword.
35. For I have come to turn
” ‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law –
36. a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.
37.”Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; 38.and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
39.Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

How does this comport with the liberal version of Jesus that you learned about? Trust me, you’re the ones who are wrong. Waaaay wrong. Anyway I’d love to hear your scriptural rebuttal, notice I didn’t say “your thoughts”. THIS should be a hoot.

I am a proud Southern Evangelical Christian, and I accept homosexuality as a natural biological state. No logical person can say otherwise.

Bob Owens, while it seems your comment was directed more towards folks like Soothsayer, I have to take issue with that comment, and your elaboration in to the animal world.

First of all, you’re calling the majority of conservative Christians who don’t accept homosexuality as a natural born thing. And for those here that claim to, do you accept gay marriage? If you don’t, then you’re a hypocrite.

As for the animal thing, are you serious? Animals don’t have a conscience the way we do. They are just horny/in heat, etc. Does a dog that humps your leg mean it was born with a natural attraction to human legs? And if you were to try to make that leap (which I assume you wouldn’t) what would that dog do if it were born somewhere that it never encountered a human? I once knew a female chihuahua that would hump the hell out of a penguin stuffed animal. Not others, just the penguin. The family thought it was funny and would bring out the penguin and this female chihuaua would just rape the hell out of this thing. Was that because it was a natural attraction? Come on. The animal comparison is ridiculous. As for liking most gays you’ve met and interacted with, that irrelevant to whether the behavior is right or natural. Plenty of people have encountered serial killers and had good relationships too. Before any of you take that somewhere it wasn’t intended, I’m not comparing gays and serial killers, just showing that the “point” about getting along with people is irrelevant. I’ve known some real flamers that have been VERY open and enjoyed being teased about how gay they were and were likable individuals, but that doesn’t mean traveling the hershey highway was right or natural.

Again, as I just asked in that last paragraph, do any of you who are mad that some of us don’t accept “homosexuality” do you accept gay marriage? And if not, how do you justify that? Is that not the picture of hypocrisy? To go further, how do you prove “pedophiles” aren’t born that way? What if Foley said he was “born that way”, and that he’s only attracted to 15 year old boys? Based on your acceptance of gays who claim they were born liking the same sex, who are you to claim Foley and friends weren’t born liking who they like? Who are you to claim that someone isn’t born liking a parakeet? Who are you to claim that someone isn’t born with the desire to only be with 20 people at the same time?

Also, I find it funny that so many are willing to blast anyone who disagrees with homosexuality and doesn’t want any homosexuals representing our party that we’d like to believe is based on a lot of traditional values, yet are willing to stay home or straight vote Democrat in this election if Bush doesn’t pass the fence pill. Sorry if some of us hold traditional values that would be mainstream a couple decades ago and haven’t become as “progressive” as the rest of you.

Admittedly this comment is a little scattered, but I have to point out quickly that no matter how hard they’ve tried, they’ve yet to locate a “gay gene”, even though they can isolate so much else and can practically genetically engineer kids now.

Back to the “natural” thing real quick… Homo”sexuality” by it’s definition and name is about the type of “sex” one wishes to engage in. Do you think it’s a coincidence that there are two genders? Do you think it’s a coincidence that sex between these two genders is the only way to produce a child and that no matter how hard you try, gay sex cannot? Do you guys really think that hetero-sex=children is just some magnificant coincidence? Really?

Here’s where everyone comes in and attacks me for being a bigot and that everything I’ve said is “hate speech”, etc. etc. I thought most of you all were traditional conservative types, but I guess I was confused. As society has “progressed”, it seems traditional values and common sense have gone out the window, and suddenly it’s unacceptable to not accept “homosexuality”. I’m glad to see I’m not totally alone here, and I hope the lack of comment from many is just ignoring this post, rather than fear of stating their opinion, because as I said earlier we’ve reached a point when gays can be in your face and have their parades, but someone who doesn’t agree with the lifestyle better not dare say so in public. I’ve just never been one for following the PC line.

As for Axe, you make the most thought out and non-emotion based case here, and I thank you for that. And believe it or not, I largely agree with you. I’ll say that my initial comment about ridding the party may have been (or at least seemed) over the top… But my point I’ve been making is that I feel we’re talking about an artificial lifestyle here. And sense that is the case, I don’t feel like I want someone who’s life is essentially a lie to have an “R” next to their name. Especially when they are so dishonest that they hide this artificial lifestyle, so they are basically double-lying as far as I’m concerned. My intiial comment was definitely not in support of this Rogers guy, but it was more out of frustration of what the party of traditional values has turned in to.

To that point, look at Rudy Giuliani… He’s for abortion and gay rights, right? Are we that far off from accepting abortion soon? Can someone explain to me why over the past few decades suddenly we’ve (well not me) accepted “homosexuality”, and why I shouldn’t believe the same will slowly happen with abortion?

Well, I’m bored with this rant for now… I’m sure some of you will have something to say about this. But before you do, here are a few guidlines…. Don’t scream “Bible thumper” at me, while I am a Christian, if you are intending to be honest, acknowledge that I haven’t used that to support position here. Also don’t scream “hate”, I never said anything about hating anyone. I don’t accept the behavior, plain and simple. If I was to be a “hater” like those who hate based on race, that would mean I “hate” someone based on something they are born with. I simply don’t believe gays are born that way, and I don’t “hate” them by any means. It’s not a senseless “I hate them because they’re different”, so please spare me that BS, I’ve heard it from enough libs.

And he has the audacity to call us hypocrites.

Ian? “Us”? Should we be expecting an announcement from Mike Rogers?

I am a proud Southern Evangelical Christian, and I accept homosexuality as a natural biological state. No logical person can say otherwise.

Animals are incapable of sin, and yet, homosexuality is normal in most animal species in roughly the same proportions as it is in humans. From a scientific perspective, that is a fact that proves a norm. Homeosexuality not an aborration.

From a theological perspective, it shows that homosexuality is part of God’s grand design for life on this earth. Christians accpet as fact that God knew you before you were born, made you who you are, and who you were meant to be. God made gays the way he wanted them to be. To doubt that is to doubt God.

As for soothsayer and Fred Phelps and others that hate gays and claim that Jesus Christ did as well, I’d ask you to return to the Bible, and show me any passage where it says your hatred is a Christian virtue. To claim that Jesus endorse hate or the killing of people for sins is to not know Jesus in any way, shape, or form. Chrsit’s message was one of love. Soothsayer, you may think you are a Christian, but you have missed Christ’s entire message. I’ll pray that one day you’ll overcome that.

Personally, I’ve been fortunate enough to meet and interact with a few dozen people in my life who are gay. I’ve liked the vast majority of them. The militant gays who have nothing but their gayness as their reason for being are a bit hard to take, but then, so is just about any zealot, of any stripe.

I can’t speak for everyone, but I’ll stand up for myself and say that as long as I have a voice as a conservative blogger, and an Evangelical Christian one at that, I’ll be happy to welcome anyone who agrees with the majority of conservative vlaues to stand together with me.

GregH, if all that Americans hear are the Bible thumping, extremist Republicans, then why have democrats been losing ground for over a decade? Are those in the liberal party just that lousy poor at representing mainstream America?