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Small aircraft crashes into NYC skyscraper; Update: Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle piloted the plane?

posted at 3:01 pm on October 11, 2006 by Allahpundit
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Right off the East River, on 72nd Street. It looks like an apartment building; the fire is small, perhaps confined to one apartment unit thus far. Fox and CNN are carrying it live.

No clue what’s going on yet. It is, in fact, overcast here today.

Update: The AP says it’s a small plane. Police sources say it’s small but multi-engine.

Update: AP says it’s the Bel Aire building.

Update: It has to be an accident. The UN and Chrysler Building are only 30 blocks south. Why target an apartment complex when you could hit them instead?

Update: It’s a three-alarm fire. People are trapped inside, according to the FDNY.

Update: “‘There’s huge pieces of debris falling,’ said one witness who refused to give her full name. ‘There’s so much falling now, I’ve got to get away.’”

Update: Two confirmed dead. FAA says it’s a fixed-wing aircraft, not a helicopter.

Update: The FBI tells CNN that two joint-terrorism task force teams are on their way to the scene. A witness on Fox says she saw the plane dip and lose altitude; it could have been a stall.

Update: The building is 50 floors; the plane went in at around. The job for the FDNY is getting people out above the impact zone. One witness is telling the local Fox affiliate that the plane hit the building and then pieces of it slid down the side into the street.

Update: Here’s the building, I think.

Update: Live video at WNBC4-NY. You can see the black streak on the building where the plane slid down.

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Update: It’s a four-alarm fire now. One witness says the plane was doing “acrobatic” maneuvers. Over Manhattan? A reporter on WNBC4 says the plane took a “hard, 90-degree turn” into the building.

There are two bodies on the ground on 72nd Street — as well as luggage. Would terrorists have packed?

Update: The FDNY says it was a helicopter. The FAA begs to differ.

Update: Norad has deployed several fighter jets over U.S. cities as a precautionary measure.

Update: Multiple “U.S. sources” tell Fox the crash appears to be an accident.

Update: The FDNY says it wasn’t a major impact and that fighting the fire should be “routine.” In fact, the flames are substantially extinguished. No injuries to any firefighters but no word on the occupants. The structural integrity of the building is also supposedly “excellent,” according to WNBC4.

The plane apparently didn’t hit the building hard enough to penetrate deeply. A terrorist would have accelerated and driven into it as hard as he could, no?

Update: The local news stations are covering this wall to wall. It’s like a vet with PTSD flipping out at the sound of a car backfiring.

Update: An eyewitness tells WNBC4 that the plane nosedived straight down into the building — again, not the way you’d want to do it if you’re looking to do maximum damage. Sounds like the engine cut out. Pretty clearly an accident.

Update (Ian): Just in case you haven’t noticed, today is 10/11.

Update: Four dead, according to WNBC4: two in the plane, two inside the building.

The aircraft was a Cirrus-20.

Update: The Truthers are already accusing the FDNY of covering up.

Update: The plane was flying at roughly 800 feet when it made a “radical turn” and crashed. That’s around the same altitude Flight 11 was at when it hit the North Tower.

Update: The plane was registered to an individual from Lakeland, Florida. No name yet.

Update: “Firefighters shot water streams of water at the flames from the floors below and put the blaze out in less than an hour.”

Update: WNBC4 just mentioned that Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle apparently applied to buy the plane in July. Wait — hold the phone. Lidle did actually purchase the plane, they’re saying now.

Was Cory Lidle flying the plane? Trying to impress his date by doing a little acrobatics over Manhattan? Standby.

Update: Fox is reporting that Lidle was indeed flying the plane. CNN quotes first responders as saying the pilot might have made a distress call before the crash.

WNBC4 says an official has confirmed that a member of the Yankees was onboard the plane. Now sources are saying that Lidle’s passport was found on the street.

Update (Ian): CNN is repoting near miss before crash.

Update: Kim Priestap googled around and found some potentially important info about the Cirrus-20: it’s notoriously hard to pull out of a spin.

Update: Karol spots a newspic of Alec Baldwin throwing a tantrum because he’s been inconvenienced by a fatal plane crash in the middle of Manhattan.

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Update: Tom Tomorrow links this post and snarks that no one’s going to win a blog Pulitzer for being the fastest to transcribe what’s on their TV. True, but no one’s going to win a blog Pulitzer anyway. And it does come in handy for the 90% of the readership that are at work and looking for information.

Update: Ace uncovers the Truth about October 11th.


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Drudge claims it’s a helicopter.

Esthier on October 11, 2006 at 3:06 PM

I just heard it was a helicopter.

Alex K on October 11, 2006 at 3:06 PM

Ace says helicopter too. Fog of war. Video here when you get some, Allah? Or should we go hunting for it?

Ennuipundit on October 11, 2006 at 3:07 PM

Well, now it says “aircraft”.

Esthier on October 11, 2006 at 3:08 PM

Becareful AP…

Not trying to be an alarmist here… but becareful.

Keep yourself safe man.

EFG on October 11, 2006 at 3:09 PM

Idiots that they are, CNN reports it’s at 71st and York, “near Rockefeller Center.” Apparently they don’t know anything about New York City either.

BrunoMitchell on October 11, 2006 at 3:10 PM

A helicopter is an aircraft. =)

Lehuster on October 11, 2006 at 3:12 PM

BTW, it’s closer to the UN then it is to Rock Center – but we should be so lucky :-)

BrunoMitchell on October 11, 2006 at 3:13 PM

I’m watching the live feed on my comp at work from MSNBC. It is really foggy. May just be accidental.

vcferlita on October 11, 2006 at 3:13 PM

I hope it’s an accident, not intentional. Pray for anybody in the building.

High Desert Wanderer on October 11, 2006 at 3:14 PM

A helicopter is an aircraft. =)

Oh, I know. I just meant that apparently Drudge doesn’t know for sure that it’s a helicopter as it seemed when he wrote helicopter at first.

Though I see how that looked.

Esthier on October 11, 2006 at 3:16 PM

Shep says fixed wing.

Axe on October 11, 2006 at 3:19 PM

Fox says FAA says it was fixed wing aircraft. A plane.

RightWinged on October 11, 2006 at 3:19 PM

Anyone want to bet the DU/KOZ weirdos are saying Rove paid someone do to it?

SouthernGent on October 11, 2006 at 3:19 PM

Live feed I’m watching is describing it as an “aircraft in distress”

vcferlita on October 11, 2006 at 3:20 PM

MSNBC has live feed on their website, for those at work.

Slublog on October 11, 2006 at 3:22 PM

If you’re in distress, you generally don’t head toward Manhattan

PRCalDude on October 11, 2006 at 3:22 PM

They are, at DU according to a commenter at Ace of Spades

FAA says fixed wing flying VFR not in contact with ATC

Ennuipundit on October 11, 2006 at 3:23 PM

Anyone want to bet the DU/KOZ weirdos are saying Rove paid someone do to it?

SouthernGent on October 11, 2006 at 3:19 PM

That’s a pretty safe bet.

thirteen28 on October 11, 2006 at 3:23 PM

Geiger counter?

Stephen M on October 11, 2006 at 3:25 PM

From DU –

Psyops for sure.
9/11/01 is the same as 10/11/6 if you turn it upside down

Bingo. Has the controlled demolition happened yet?
Hope everyone got out of that building first!

MIHOP October surprise? just to remind the sheeple of 9/11

rw on October 11, 2006 at 3:26 PM

It’s right next to Rockefeller University, which is probably the mistake CNN made.

flip on October 11, 2006 at 3:28 PM

Well, THAT didn’t take long for the conspriacy nuts to start bringing out the tin foil hats. >.

DakRoland on October 11, 2006 at 3:30 PM

9/11/01 is the same as 10/11/6 if you turn it upside down

They can’t even get that right… you have to flip it counter clockwise 180-degrees. Geez.

Editor on October 11, 2006 at 3:33 PM

They’re saying it was doing “acrobatic maneuvers” before it hit.

Jim Treacher on October 11, 2006 at 3:35 PM

It is very possible that the man had mechanical problems. One witness saw the wing dip and the plane stall..so I would dare say that this will turn out to be a mechanical problem..

Pam on October 11, 2006 at 3:41 PM

military official at NORAD said that as an extra measure of security, there were “numerous fighter jet patrols” over several U.S. cities. Interesting.

vcferlita on October 11, 2006 at 3:41 PM

9/11/01 is the same as 10/11/6 if you turn it upside down

You … you have to admire it, in a way. it’s brilliant, in that criminally insane way.

Axe on October 11, 2006 at 3:45 PM

You … you have to admire it, in a way. it’s brilliant, in that criminally insane way.

If by brillantly insane you mean dislexic.

Editor on October 11, 2006 at 3:49 PM

I like your explanation better. It fits in better with my world view.

Axe on October 11, 2006 at 3:50 PM

Fox is confirming that it’s a helicopter.

High Desert Wanderer on October 11, 2006 at 3:51 PM

Axe,

could be a Southern Hemisphere Jihadi, suppose.

Editor on October 11, 2006 at 3:52 PM

Fox says helicopter, but of course everyone else is still saying plane. How can witnesses be this confused?

High Desert Wanderer on October 11, 2006 at 3:53 PM

It is very possible that the man had mechanical problems.

The man, or the plane? Though, I suppose if the man had mechanical problems that could account for things as well.

CT on October 11, 2006 at 3:54 PM

Were there any Jews in the building? /sarc off

I don’t believe the acrobatics claim, rather mechanical failure a possibility, if not terrorism.

As a licensed pilot, in case of distress, and always really, a pilot looks for a flat space to glide to.

For now, really strange…

Entelechy on October 11, 2006 at 3:55 PM

Of course it makes a big difference if it was a helicopter. Then, with mechanical problems, it could have just dropped like a rocket…

Entelechy on October 11, 2006 at 3:57 PM

“Update: The local news stations are covering this wall to wall. It’s like a vet with PTSD flipping out at the sound of a car backfiring.”

Someone on the news just said “it smells just like 9/11.”

Alex K on October 11, 2006 at 3:59 PM

I remember here in Florida shortly after 9/11 some kid pulled a 9/11 copycat and crashed a small prop plane into in office building. And in Italy I think I remember(after 9/11) some guy comitted suicide by slamming a plane into an office building.

vcferlita on October 11, 2006 at 4:03 PM

MSNBC is saying the plane was en route to White Plains from Teterboro, according to the tags on the luggage.

Ennuipundit on October 11, 2006 at 4:05 PM

An NBC News VP saw the whole thing from a block over, on 72nd. She said she heard a strange noise, looked up and something was plummeting toward the building. (She thought it was a helicopter.) It hit, a big fireball shot out and then it fell/slid off the building.

Apparently there’s a pretty busy helo port just a few blocks down from there at 63rd.

tree hugging sister on October 11, 2006 at 4:09 PM

Over at DU they’re saying that the fighter jets that NORAD scambled are a waste of taxpayers money. Isn’t this the same bunch that complained when the government’s response was too slow? In addition, how come they only complain about wasting tax dollars when it’s a Republican president in office? Where were they when Clinton gave my tax money to the North Koreans as an appeasement?

Rick P on October 11, 2006 at 4:12 PM

Over at DU they’re saying that the fighter jets that NORAD scambled are a waste of taxpayers money.

That’s nothing yet. Wait until they really get going.

It’s only a matter of time before the “Karl Rove did it” theories start bubbling out. Secret Republican agents committed suicide to boost the numbers just before the election.

And the 9/11 conspiracy wackos will be asking why THIS building didn’t fall.

Gregor on October 11, 2006 at 4:26 PM

I live inside the DC Beltway and I heard fighters scrambling over DC last night. Saw afterburners flaring after they screeched over my 18 story high rise heading west (out of Andrews maybe?) ~11pm.

Terp Mole on October 11, 2006 at 4:30 PM

Look at the pictures at foxnews.com — assuming this aircraft had mechanical trouble, the pilot was trying to reach the river. (picture 5 – shows the river behind the building.)

The reports on WSB here in Atlanta..breathless reports, gee no ‘ground stop of all aircraft at Hartsfield’ …

Granted the fact that NORAD launched adds to the terror mini-panic folks are having. If NORAD launched on the first report of “aircraft hits building in NYC” – good response.

Marvin on October 11, 2006 at 4:33 PM

Why even care what the DUmmies say? Waste of taxpayer money to scramble fighters? Jeez kiddies, the pilots HAVE to log x number of hours each month!

Wyrd on October 11, 2006 at 4:37 PM

Possibly a Yankee pitcher? WTF?

Editor on October 11, 2006 at 4:37 PM

Allah, they said he was a “possible buyer” of the aircraft. Info by way of FAA aplication paperwork.

Editor on October 11, 2006 at 4:39 PM

A minor observation, and Allah back me up, the plane was going from Teterboro to White Plains, that’s a shorter drive than the flight prep, taxi and travel time. Why fly it? To save on the toll on the Tappan Zee? I understand flying from that area to Martha’s Vineyard, a la JFK Jr. But this seems odd.

Ennuipundit on October 11, 2006 at 4:42 PM

Charlie Rangel is on FoxNews blaming Bush.

BlueStateBlues on October 11, 2006 at 4:45 PM

Charlie Rangel is on FoxNews blaming Bush.

In other news; sky is blue, water is wet, and Bethany is still hot.

hindmost on October 11, 2006 at 4:48 PM

AP you must have four hands, four ears, and six eyes.
Really. I don’t know how you do that thing you do.

Stephen M on October 11, 2006 at 4:50 PM

Update: An eyewitness tells WNBC4 that the plane nosedived straight down into the building — again, not the way you’d want to do it if you’re looking to do maximum damage. Sounds like the engine cut out. Pretty clearly an accident.

A plane does not automatically dive if its engine quits–far from it. Planes are designed to glide, provided they have airspeed, which can be maintained enough for a gentle descent even in the absence of engine power.

Also, in case anybody’s not clear on this point, a “stall” does not mean the same thing as it would in a car–an airplane stall does not mean its engine quit. It means it did not have enough airspeed to continue moving forward and would therefore drop like a stone unless a maneuver was undertaken to raise its airspeed–such as a dive. If somebody was doing aerobatics and stalled, they would need to dive before they could ascend.

I have a hard time believing this was an accident–but if it was, it was quite possibly the stupidest pilot in the history of the world to be doing maneuvers over Manhattan.

Anwyn on October 11, 2006 at 4:53 PM

ESPN has confirmed that Lidle is dead.

JVelez on October 11, 2006 at 4:53 PM

A yankees pitcher was involved? Man alive this is getting insane!

Defector01 on October 11, 2006 at 4:53 PM

Seems like BushCo’s Big Baseball Buddies are in on it.

/truther

Niko on October 11, 2006 at 4:56 PM

ESPN has confirmed that Lidle is dead.

Right, then, scratch what I said about “trouble believing it’s an accident” and go straight to “stupid pilot.”

I shouldn’t be so negative right away, and I’m sorry for his death and the deaths of all involved, but bad pilots just make me want to scream. It’s such a senseless loss of life. :(

Anwyn on October 11, 2006 at 4:58 PM

Lidle is married, you think his wife was in the plane. Damn I hate the Yankees (go mets) but this sucks…..

JVelez on October 11, 2006 at 5:00 PM

I assume apologies will be forthcoming from the DU crowd unless, that is, they believe Lidle was either a Bush suicide operative or a part of a gigantic plot hatched by Karl Rove.

Anwyn, agreed – It was a crappy, foggy day in NYC and it’s hard to imagine why someone would roll the dice, what was so urgent, etc.

BillLalor on October 11, 2006 at 5:02 PM

Rest in peace, Cory. We hardly knew ye. Thoughts and prayers with the families of the deceased.

Ennuipundit on October 11, 2006 at 5:07 PM

Rest in peace, Cory. We hardly knew ye. Thoughts and prayers with the families of the deceased.

Seconded, and sorry for the negativity. :(

Anwyn on October 11, 2006 at 5:09 PM

LInk to a bio for Lidle

JVelez on October 11, 2006 at 5:11 PM

unless, that is, they believe Lidle was either a Bush suicide operative or a part of a gigantic plot hatched by Karl Rove.

Uh, I’d be shocked if they aren’t already talking about how if you turn the Yankees’ NY symbol upside down and add a line down the middle of “Y” you get N-peace sign, which we all know means “NO PEACE”, of course.

Editor on October 11, 2006 at 5:14 PM

My prayers go out to his family

Defector01 on October 11, 2006 at 5:16 PM

Cory Lidle

DakRoland on October 11, 2006 at 5:20 PM

Gawd, that NY thing was so brilliantly insane it needed an image…

NO PEACE

Editor on October 11, 2006 at 5:22 PM

There’s no need to do the work for them, Editor. But I wouldn’t have been surprised if they did use that. :(

This accident will cast a dark cloud over the remaining games of the Playoffs and World Series.

DakRoland on October 11, 2006 at 5:28 PM

A plane does not automatically dive if its engine quits–far from it. Planes are designed to glide, provided they have airspeed, which can be maintained enough for a gentle descent even in the absence of engine power…

Also, in case anybody’s not clear on this point, a “stall” does not mean the same thing as it would in a car…

Anwyn on October 11, 2006 at 4:53 PM

Anwyn, your posts are excellent in explaining small plane flight and ‘bad piloting’…

In this case, as is often so with novice pilots, desperation appears to have set in. When in a stall, instead of diving (forcing the nose down hard), which is what s/b done, they raise the nose further, begin to drop rapidly and/or spin, and give up. It’s illogical but instinctive. Add to that the net of bldgs. in NY and it’s a disaster.

I have a problem undestanding what he was doing so close to the buildings in the first place, ahead of the stall. Must say, though, that I don’t know the airport from which he left or the approved airspace surrounding it. Fog also a factor. Perhaps machoism too, to get up in that fog, to wish to impress whomever in NY…we don’t know enough.

This is not a sexist statement, just something my Marine flight-instructor told me often “guys tend to wish to kick the tires and go; women check and double check the pre-flight list and the conditions and ponder…”

It’s a tragedy either way.

Entelechy on October 11, 2006 at 5:39 PM

God bless Lidle, his family, as well as the others victims and theirs.

JammieWearingFool on October 11, 2006 at 5:41 PM

To clarify, only my instructor was a Marine, and not myself,

Entelechy on October 11, 2006 at 5:43 PM

I saw Cory Lidle pitch a few times at Citizen’s Bank Park for the Phillies before he was traded to the Yankees. I guess A-Rod will have to deal with the fact that if he could hit in the postseason, maybe Lidle would have been traveling with the team or working out at Yankee Stadium.

eagles5 on October 11, 2006 at 6:12 PM

For those guessing that the “Rove did it” folks will be out in force soon, I have to agree. I actually mentioned it in my initial post on this, only I think it will go beyond that. Who here has watched Loose Change and Screw LC? Remember their big “the plane that flew in to the empire state building didn’t cause it to collapse” part? They’ll attempt to use this to bolster their “point” even though the conditions, circumstances, and size of objects are completely different and make a comparison impossible.

RightWinged on October 11, 2006 at 6:18 PM

FAA Registration

RightWinged on October 11, 2006 at 6:21 PM

That Alec Baldwin picture is priceless.

tiekitwist on October 11, 2006 at 6:41 PM

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