Video: Arizona 9/11 memorial designers wanted to commemorate hijackers

posted at 7:06 pm on October 10, 2006 by Allahpundit

Why wouldn’t they? There are no enemies in their cosmology (except Bush). Violence itself is the enemy.

Which means the hijackers are victims too.

Oh, and we also sort of deserved it because of our “total support of Israel.” And the Afghan civilians who were accidentally killed in a bombing run ten months later belong on the memorial because they’re all “part of the tragedy of war, terrorism, hatred, [and] mistrust of everyone else.”

We’re going to lose. You know that, right?


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There are no enemies in their cosmology (except Bush). Violence itself is the enemy.

I’d like to disagree with you, except I can’t. Some deranged chick named MoxieGrrrl is refusing to accept that the North Korean test is anything but a Bush attempt to distract us and / or scare us.

So yeah, as far as the far left goes, there is no enemy except for Bush.

We’re going to lose. You know that, right?

As Walter Solchek said in The Big Lebowski, “F*ck it Dude, let’s go bowling.”

EFG on October 10, 2006 at 7:16 PM

What a travesty!!!

Let them know what we think here.

I WILL NOT SUBMIT

GoingThere on October 10, 2006 at 7:17 PM

“In MY opinion…”

And thus we see the problem.

Slublog on October 10, 2006 at 7:21 PM

Submission isn’t an issue when we have our elected officials do it for us. Hey, apologies all around…except the families of course…because we all know those who died were just part of the oppressive corporate machine…right?

I think what we need is less military, and more understanding…that’s what Pelosi and Dean say right…and Lord knows they’ve got it together.

StoutRepublican on October 10, 2006 at 7:22 PM

We’re going to lose. You know that, right?

How do you win? By never again having a terrorist attack against US soil or interests? It’s almost laughable. The War on Terrorism. The War on Drugs. The War on Illiteracy. Please.

And why change the AZ memorial? Let it be. If you want another one without all that crazy peace and justice talk, build one.

GregH on October 10, 2006 at 7:24 PM

It’s almost laughable. The War on Terrorism. The War on Drugs. The War on Illiteracy. Please.

One of these things is not like the other.

Sing along!

Slublog on October 10, 2006 at 7:27 PM

And why change the AZ memorial?

Because I don’t want a Japanese memorial at Pearl Harbor commemorating victims of “U.S. violence” next to the Arizona memorial.

EFG on October 10, 2006 at 7:28 PM

The commissioner really squirms his way trying to explain the non-911 comments. What a piece of crap work.

A memorial it is not. It’s a political liberal statement.

It has nothing to do with 911 and should not be referred to as a memorial.

This is an abomination.

Kini on October 10, 2006 at 7:31 PM

And by “next to the Arizona Memorial” I mean this.

EFG on October 10, 2006 at 7:32 PM

One of these things just doesn’t belong
Can you tell me which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?

Amazing how much useless crap from childhood is still stuck in my head.

Slublog on October 10, 2006 at 7:34 PM

The war on Terrorism Doesn’t belong! And doesn’t relate to Drugs, Illiteracy, Poverty, and all the other wars that arn’t (I’ve always wanted to use that word, that ain’t)

The difference is who, not what.

Kini on October 10, 2006 at 7:44 PM

We’re going to lose. You know that, right?

I am afraid you are right.

brazilnut on October 10, 2006 at 7:46 PM

We’re going to lose. You know that, right?

Yes we are. When you live in a world that refuses to distinguish between the good guys and the bad guys (GregH here being a prime example), the bad guys are gonna win.

infidel4life on October 10, 2006 at 7:46 PM

This piece of crap needs to be removed, destory it..to use a project intended to honor the innocent victims of a terrorist to attack the policies of this nation – disgusting.

Marvin on October 10, 2006 at 7:52 PM

We’re going to lose. You know that, right?

WRONG

It should be.

You know they will lose, right?

Kini on October 10, 2006 at 7:53 PM

9/11 Memorial?

Looks more like just liberal propoganda.

Nothing to see here…….

DeltaFox on October 10, 2006 at 8:00 PM

We’re going to lose. You know that, right?

I disagree. It may take a couple of more 9-11 events or worse. The Dems will sing God Bless America on the Capitol steps and turn around and try to tear the United States down some more, but they will only get so far. America is not that fragile. We have been through lower points in our history.

Valiant on October 10, 2006 at 8:00 PM

GregH puked: How do you win? By never again having a terrorist attack against US soil or interests? It’s almost laughable. The War on Terrorism. The War on Drugs. The War on Illiteracy. Please.

You win by defeating it’s state sponsors, dipshit. Did Jefferson defeat piracy? No, but he ended it’s Tripolitan state sponsorship. Did Lincoln defeat slavery? There are plenty of slave states in ultra-Leftist communist states; but Lincoln effectively ended it’s state sponsorship in the West. Did FDR defeat Nazism? There are still Nazis; but they have no state sponsor. Did Truman defeat Shinto-fascism? They’re still in Japan; but they have no state sponsorship.

Defeating totalitarian regimes that support terrorism doesn’t guarantee the practice will end altogether. Afterall, Leftists will still have ALF and ELF and George Soros’ ANSWER krystalnaght street rioters; but they’ll never gain power in my America.

Our war on state sponsors of terrorism is only “laughable” for those who haven’t been on the receiving end of Islamo-fascist mass murder. Laugh about it to my face, assclown, and see how you like eating through a straw.

And why change the AZ memorial? Let it be. If you want another one without all that crazy peace and justice talk, build one.

The 9/11 victims’ families will have something to say about that– as will patriotic Americans. If blame America Leftists want a memorial, let them build one. I wish they’d have the balls to do it openly– instead sneaking this plopper on the 9/11 victims; that way Americans can see and understand exactly what Leftists pieces of shit you really are.

Now climb back into your mother’s basement before she beats you again for drooling on her keyboard.

Terp Mole on October 10, 2006 at 8:09 PM

Anytime I see that “memorial” no one is there. And the crescent shape really bothers me.

CrimsonFisted on October 10, 2006 at 8:23 PM

Well thank goodness the commission finally showed some restraint!

daveintexas on October 10, 2006 at 8:25 PM

I can’t wait to see what kind of PC crap is erected as a memorial at the Twin Towers site.

Valiant on October 10, 2006 at 8:26 PM

Some savvy Arizonans need to get to work.

One day, the moonbats will awake, and it will be gone.

Little Greggy might cry, but who cares?

JammieWearingFool on October 10, 2006 at 8:38 PM

Terp Mole

Bravo. Well done.

schlagerman on October 10, 2006 at 8:42 PM

Uhm, dare I suggest Mr. McCain try to reshore up “the base” by getting it taken down, or at least changed? He sort of hit Hillary in the gut today…it’s worth a shot. I won’t hold my breath, though.

SouthernGent on October 10, 2006 at 8:45 PM

The abomination memorializes NOTHING. Memorials are meant to make us remember something. The abomination is a vain attempt to make statements, not cause us to remember something.

The USS Arizona Memorial reminds us of the (for the time) worst military attack on American soil and those who perished that day.

The Marine Corps War Memorial reminds us of the courage of the Marines (and others) who stood against an overwhelming foe, as well as reminding us of all Marines who gave their lives defending the U.S.

The Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall
is, in the words of its designer, “for those who have died, and for us to remember them.” From the National Park Service website:

In fact, the memorial was conceived and designed to make no political statement whatsoever about the war. The Vietnam Veterans Memorial is a place where everyone, regardless of opinion, can come together and remember and honor those who served.

The abomination doesn’t strive to make us remember something, it strives to TEACH us something; that America is an immoral bully, a greedy, selfish brat, and every now and then we get a well-deerved punch in the nose for it.

The texts are not in a chronological order, nor are they in a system of related events. I have a hard time believing that the designers were random about the placement, given that they carefully employed one character for each 9/11 victim. I’d be very interested to know what the pattern is, assuming there is one. But not interested enough to want it to stand.

Tear it down.

Freelancer on October 10, 2006 at 8:56 PM

*well-deserved

There really needs to be an edit function for the threads.

Freelancer on October 10, 2006 at 8:58 PM

Blecchhh!! What gives? I thought Arizona was pretty much moonbat free. As John Wayne would say, “This is gettin to be re-god-d*mn-diculous”.

sbvft contributor on October 10, 2006 at 8:59 PM

Terp Mole,

Very well stated indeed. Thanks for the great post.

wytammic on October 10, 2006 at 9:01 PM

We’re going to lose. You know that, right?

Well, no, I don’t know that. A lot has been lost, and we stand to lose more. However, the United States is home to political thinkers, of high rank and large number, who think they have a good thing here who and want to strengthen it and improve it. They are no less aware of the last twenty-four centuries of political philosophy than they are of current events. They live to understand, and they understand they must live, to understand.

Kralizec on October 10, 2006 at 9:02 PM

INSCRIPTIONS that almost made the un-memorial:

Dude, it’s the blowback from using non-fair trade Muslim rug-makers!

and-

We Bombed Them First With Our Arrogance, y’know.

and-

Where was the Religious Right on 9/11, huh?

and-

Hug More Trees, Not WTC’s!

and-

We Only Mourn the enslaved Guard Dog Killed in the Towers.

and-

HIJACKERS HAVE FAMILIES, TOO!

and-

9/11’s Probably a Brave New World Big Brother Plot to Control the Government!

and-

Remember the ‘Squibs’!.

(There are scores more, I’ve heard.)

profitsbeard on October 10, 2006 at 9:04 PM

Terp Mole on October 10, 2006 at 8:09 PM
I’m with you, and Freelancer.

TEAR IT DOWN.

This IS a disgrace to all Americans and an absolute insult to the families and the victims of the day- 9/11/2001.

shooter on October 10, 2006 at 9:17 PM

Well said, Terp.

Bob's Kid on October 10, 2006 at 9:37 PM

How do you win? By never again having a terrorist attack against US soil or interests?

yep. that’s how you win. and you destroy the financiers of terror in the meantime. make it not worth their while to fund it. turn moderate muslims against the fundamentalists. show them the errors of their ways – bomb the hell out of them and forget about trying to make other people “like us.”

pullingmyhairout on October 10, 2006 at 9:37 PM

It’s not a memorial… it’s an outdoor urinal.

Anyone passing through town… drink lotsa beer before you go and bring a urinal cake to leave behind in case anyone is confused as to the source of the reek.

DANEgerus on October 10, 2006 at 9:39 PM

good to know that the israelis are still responsible for stuff

Defector01 on October 10, 2006 at 10:12 PM

i read that article on the memorial for the Twin Towers & it doesn’t suprise me at all. that’s what liberals do every single day of their life. yeah, it makes me mad after what i read, but what does that even matter, liberals are going to claim it’s “free speech” and the ACLU will back them up as they always do. “if” the democrats win in November & in ’08, then the liberals will love this country again & respect it, but as long as there are convserative Republicans in control of the House / Senate & the White House, they will continue their hatred for this country.

Starblazer on October 10, 2006 at 10:29 PM

It is incredible this Eppinger was even made a part of this project. A commenter named “wm. tyroler” at Ace of Spades HQ has found this comment by Eppinger shortly after 9/11:

The Dec. 27 KTAR radio talk show Real Life with David Leibowitz included an interview with Dr. Paul Eppinger, director of the Arizona Ecumenical Council. Eppinger talked like someone misled by bin Laden’s claims.

“We need to fess up” about a number of foreign policy decisions, he told Leibowitz. He asserted the United States is the only nation to use atomic weapons on people. He criticized U.S. officials for walking out of the United Nations Racism Conference in Durban, South Africa, last summer. Of the Iraqi embargo, he said, “Thousands and thousands of children have died there from starvation and health issues.”

Leibowitz asked, “Are you arguing bin Laden may have had a point in attacking America?” Eppinger answered, “precisely.” While he did label bin Laden as “a criminal” and “a thug,” he said, “We are not totally innocent. … We are a country that has blood on its hands.”

http://www.jewishaz.com/jewishnews/020104/bait.shtml

tommy1 on October 10, 2006 at 10:33 PM

i agree with what Terp Mole said , but resorting to name-calling is a tatic that liberals use when somebody disagrees with them & we shouldn’t lower ourselves to liberal standards.

Starblazer on October 10, 2006 at 10:33 PM

The Arizona memorial was FOR terrorists

“Paul Eppinger, executive director of the Arizona Interfaith Movement spoke at the gathering. Mr. Eppinger stated that instead of efforts to build memorial monuments, we should actively convey peace messages to the younger generations.” — Rev. Paul Eppinger on 9/11/2003

He has traveled extensively and has been to Israel and the Middle East over a dozen times.

He even signed the “We stand with Israel” March 17, 1996 – The New York Times

Major Activities: Donohoe Ecumenical Forum Series; Political Action Team; Legislative Workshop; Arizona Ecumenical Indian Concerns Committee; Mexican/American Border Issues; ISN-TV; Disaster Relief; Break Violence-Build Community; Truckin’ for Kids; “Souper Bowl”; Gun Information and Safety Program

“Political Action Team”?!?

“Legislative Workshop”?!?

“Mexican/American Border Issues”?!?

So I’m guessing “Gun Information and Safety Program” suggests another activist agenda?

He also organized the “Religious Action Center – Religious Community for Responsible Tax Policy”…

So would it be a surprise if “Paul Eppinger (Interfaith Alliance)” is a (D)emocrat party activist?

“The Future of the Democratic Party Comes to Phoenix”

Keynote speakers include award-winning journalist Amy Goodman of the nationally honored radio/TV news program Democracy Now!, activist, educator and former California State Senator Tom Hayden, Medea Benjamin of international peace movements Global Exchange and Code Pink, and Reverend Lennox Yearwood of the Hip-Hop Caucus.

Panelists include…

…Paul Eppinger (Interfaith Alliance)…

DANEgerus on October 10, 2006 at 10:46 PM

This is not a “memorial” … this is meant to insult the victims of the 9/11 attacks, our soldiers who have died, and all those who believe in our side.

This memorial should never be allowed to be built. Tear it down, by any means necessary.

thirteen28 on October 10, 2006 at 11:00 PM

This piece of crap needs to be removed; destroy it…

Absolutely right. (You mean ban GregH, right?)

Jaibones on October 10, 2006 at 11:42 PM

Can we have a new Boston Tea Party? Will I get banned for asking this?

PRCalDude on October 10, 2006 at 11:48 PM

Do you think we had these sorts around during WWII? I mean, has this kind of thinking always been with us, we’re just more aware of it because of the modern mass media machine and its need to fill air time? I know there were the communist symps before Hitler turned on Stalin that actively opposed our early efforts to support the allied war effort.

I guess I’m just asking the question: has modern, nihilistic Leftism taken us to new lows of this sort of crap, or are we just noticing the same fringe 10% of the population that’s always been around, just shunned in times past like the crazy uncle that tries to grab ass at the family picnic?

Fred on October 10, 2006 at 11:57 PM

You know, a little “callin’em like you see’em” ain’t a bad thing if you’re making a real case while doing it. Good on ya, Terp Mole!

Hey, I like that idea of using this “memorial” as a “memourinal”.

tickleddragon on October 11, 2006 at 12:00 AM

Lets not get rid of GregH.

He thinks he’s a activist.

He’s probably like me. Surrounded by Liberal nutjobs that hate Bush, hate America, and believe they’re right, or left….

Either way, opinions are like, wellll, you know… everyone got one…

Kini on October 11, 2006 at 12:18 AM

I see terp mole is on the job. And a good one it was.

Tell me, those who think that we are losing the WOT, how exactly you think the islamofascists and the pasty grey libtards are going to accomplish that. I’m really curious.

Sarah D. on October 11, 2006 at 1:32 AM

Now climb back into your mother’s basement before she beats you again for drooling on her keyboard.

Terp Mole on October 10, 2006 at 8:09 PM

She must have caught him because he never came back tonight…

Entelechy on October 11, 2006 at 1:40 AM

Bulldoze it.

Give Paul Eppinger a one-way ticket to France, where he belongs.

GregH is a “useful idiot.” Don’t ban him, we need an example of the treasonous left among us as an innoculant.

georgej on October 11, 2006 at 2:14 AM

What (sadly) drives me to concur with the sentiment that “we’re going to lose” is that this has happened in Arizona. Goldwater country, it used to be one of the most conservative states in the nation. And yet self-hating yahoos like Eppinger still manage to crawl onto a state commission on something as fundamentally patriotic as a memorial. The long defeat is underway. All we can hope to do is to delay it as long as possible.

Cato on October 11, 2006 at 4:34 AM

They are holding out until ater Election Day since the new majority will order one for every city in the USA.

Welcome to the Dhimmicratic future

Hening on October 11, 2006 at 7:39 AM

We’re going to lose. You know that, right?

NO. I WILL NOT SUBMIT

And part of submitting is NOT speaking out on this DESPICABLE “memorial”. I saw that interview on Fox and was NAUSEATED. That holier than thou moral equivalist would be one of the FIRST collaborators. Come to think of it, HE ALREADY IS!
Dirtbag.

labwrs on October 11, 2006 at 9:15 AM

I wonder if the Arizona commission would mind if the 9/11 families came by to express themselvs at the memorial? I’d pay for the rent of cutting torches.

Mike O on October 11, 2006 at 9:30 AM

Starblazer: i agree with what Terp Mole said , but resorting to name-calling is a tatic that liberals use when somebody disagrees with them & we shouldn’t lower ourselves to liberal standards.

Pardon me for forgetting my white gloves and silk neckerchief. That’s the way Maryland watermen speak. If you don’t appreciate the vernacular, that’s your perogative. But I believe the Good Book says “Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own conceit.” And if someone finding this travesty “laughable” isn’t a fool’s folly, then I don’t know what is.

On the otherhand, it’s likely wasted effort. A rebuke enters deeper into a wise man than a hundred lashes into a fool. Still, I’ve never been one to abide a fool.

Terp Mole on October 11, 2006 at 9:48 AM

He might as well have said, “I come to bury Ceasar not to praise him.”

Big White Hat on October 11, 2006 at 10:35 AM

Len Munsil (R) running for governor in AZ, said he’d bulldoze this garbage heap if elected. He’s facing an uphill battle against Janet. Don’t forget to vote!

It pretty much smells like a urinal down there already….

jdpaz on October 11, 2006 at 11:00 AM

One of these things just doesn’t belong
Can you tell me which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?

Amazing how much useless crap from childhood is still stuck in my head.

…”We all live in a Capital I in the middle of a desert underneath a big blue sky”…

allie on October 11, 2006 at 11:22 AM

Commies (Dems) and Muslim Terrorists are strange bed-buddies, for the moment.

ar_basin on October 11, 2006 at 11:49 AM

Have plasma cutter, will travel.

JimCrierson on October 11, 2006 at 2:45 PM

We’re going to lose. You know that, right?
Yes we are. When you live in a world that refuses to distinguish between the good guys and the bad guys (GregH here being a prime example), the bad guys are gonna win.

infidel4life

Depends on the meaning of the word ‘lose’.

Woodrow Wilson and the secular utopians would prefer to believe in ‘the war to end all wars’.

The Pope would understand that the world is arranged in perpetual war between good and evil. To fight evil means you are winning. To not fight evil means you are losing, or as Darwin would say, it means you are eaten.

Theoretically, the Christians lost to Rome. In the short run. After a few hundred years it was apparent Rome lost to the Christians. The Christians never stopped fighting.

Eppinger thy name is Brutis:

Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;

I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.

The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones;

So let it be with Caesar. The noble Brutus has told you Caesar was ambitious: If it were so, it was a grievous fault and grievously has Caesar answered it.

Here under leave of Brutus and the rest — for Brutus is an honorable man — so are they all honorable men — come I to speak in Caesar’s funeral. He was my friend, faithful and just to me — but Brutus says he was ambitious and Brutus is an honorable man …

…I speak not to disprove what Brutus spoke,

But here I am to speak what I do know. You all did love him once, not without cause.

What cause witholds you then, to mourn for him now?

Oh judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts and men have lost their reason.

Bear with me. My heart is in the coffin here with Caesar and I must pause til it come back to me.

But yesterday the word of Caesar might have stood against the world; now he lies there…

Shakespeare, “Julius Caesar”

Defeating totalitarian regimes that support terrorism doesn’t guarantee the practice will end altogether…

Our war on state sponsors of terrorism is only “laughable” for those who haven’t been on the receiving end of Islamo-fascist mass murder…

Laugh about it to my face, [Brutis]clown, and see how you like eating through a straw
Terp Mole

Salve Terpus Molus Populesque Romanus

entagor on October 11, 2006 at 5:26 PM

This could be the start of a great future photo-op pitch for Caterpillar. Like a set-breaking party after a shoot.

Coronagold on October 11, 2006 at 10:44 PM