Raw and primitively obvious question – how can you “love your (free) county” and loathe those who keep it free?

It’s easy, if you’re a dolt. I think that’s what we have here.

I did read it in fact, and his argument, though it begins with a false premise, is consistent and reasoned.

Yes, and so are the arguements of many despicable people. Harris, one of the shooters at Columbine was a totally amoral psychopath. He had contempt for his fellow students and considered them to be worth nothing. By his reasoning, killing them made perfect sense. In his eyes, and using his value system, his decision to go on a kill spree was consistent and reasoned.

But he is still a psychopath. And a P.O.S.

Joel Stein is a turd. His essays, full of layers and nuance, logical and consistent though they may be, don’t change that fact.

Hell, Fred Phelps can string together some arguements as to why he should doing his schtick at funerals. He’s still a P.O.S.

And yeah, I still loathe Joel Stein.

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Here is an excerpt of Clinton’s notorious “draft-dodging,” “I loathe the military” letter to Colonel Holmes, of the University of Arkansas ROTC department. Clinton had tried to avoid the draft by lying that he would attend the U of Arkansas and enter the ROTC program. Then he ran overseas, and wrote this letter to Holmes.

“After I signed the ROTC letter of intent I began to wonder whether the compromises I had made with myself was not more objectionable than the draft would have been, because I had no interest in the ROTC program in itself and all I seemed to have done was to protect myself from physical harm. I doubt that I had the mental coherence to articulate them.

I am writing too in the hope that my telling this one story will help you understand more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still loving their country but loathing the military,”

Re-read his orginal article that HotAir posted if anyone has any doubts.

I did read it in fact, and his argument, though it begins with a false premise, is consistent and reasoned. If a war is immoral, then the soldiers are indeed part of that immorality. And being disengenuous about “support the troops” and “condemn the war” is an appropos observation: the two-faced rhetoric is cowardly and transparent. And his observation is correct that Washington recognizes the empty gesture but will capitalize on the verbage to shore up their agenda.

The points in his article are almost all spot-on and it would have been completely true if he had not begun with a false premise: that the war in Iraq was unjust.

I think he is one of the best examples of what a thorough indoctrination by “progressive” education accomplishes. There’s a conscience buried in there somewhere, but it has been fairly well beaten down. He thinks himself honest because he sees a moral inconsistency between supporting the troops and not supporting a war. So he declares that he supports neither. I can accept that as a moral position. The logic up to that point is valid. The conclusion, to then insinuate that every serviceman who does his duty is a maniacal murderer, pulls out the disguised Ward Churchill in him.

Stein does know how to engage in a reasoned debate, unlike so many of his stripe, even if he is just as intractible in the face of fact, evidence, and logic as the loonier left. But overall I give him no points on style when he lacks substance to a nearly equal degree.

But I was proud to serve so that he and his could remain free to be a useful idiot.

How about we force the leftists to consider getting the result of their deepest wishes. Does any sane person believe that if the U.S. shut down our military, and proved to the entire world that we were committed to improving our international image, we would not be attacked and invaded within weeks? But surely those who come would only be interested in “regime change” here, and everyone with a “Bush lied, kids died” bumper sticker would be safe.

Right Joel?

I can’t say that I ever loathed Joel Stein.

I do loath that son of a bitch.

All this talk of his honesty and well reasoned arguements?

Hell, put child molester thru a couple of courses of speech and public debate and he’ll come out equally well reasoned and glib with honesty.

You can’t polish a turd, and Joel Stein is a turd.

Re-read his orginal article that HotAir posted if anyone has any doubts.

If those 11 people were part of Charles Manson’s “family” and were sitting on a dozen corpses of murdered young girls, I think we’d sing a heroic tune for their killer.

That would require context. Anti-war folk don’t much like context.

I have an ER doc friend that has done 1 tour in Afghanistan and 2 tours in Iraq (3/4 time in military hospital 1/4 time in the field because he’s an adreniline junkie). He told the story of entering a school/slaughterhouse held by 50 insurgents. Inside the school were 100+ bodies that had been mutilated/tortured. They killed 30 and wounded 20.

Context.

It’s fine to fight for the survival of civilization by shooting your enemy in the field, but once he’s captured, warfare is suddenly a civilized game with lots of rules. This idea is so patently ridiculous that they made a sitcom out of it with Bob Crane.

My fear is that by banning torture, we get to pretend that the rest of war is a rational diplomatic tool instead of a desperate and brutal survival response. If something is important enough to kill and die over, then it’s important enough to torture for. For me, that list would include protecting my freedom, my family and a few of my friends whom I would name here if I had that kind of room.

I can’t argue with any of that.

Perhaps we should just go back to “old fashioned” warfare, where we bomb them back to the Stone Age, and then hit our enemies over the head with rocks from 5000 feet, and then kick dirt in their dead faces while the buzzards feast. Because “modern warfare” is just so “uncivilized”.

The Hell this ain’t the Most Important Foxhole in the World. I’m in it!

Subsunk

I much perfer his thoughtful opposition to hysterical theatrics, dishonest preaching, and blind faith of the (sadly) most vocal left.

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Case in point, the update above (while I was writing this)…

If an individual were to kill 11 people in house-to-house gang warfare in South Los Angeles, we wouldn’t call him a hero; we’d call him a bloodthirsty, homicidal maniac. We would fear for the future of our city…

If those 11 people were part of Charles Manson’s “family” and were sitting on a dozen corpses of murdered young girls, I think we’d sing a heroic tune for their killer.

^^Allusion to crazy death-cults? You better believe it.