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		<title>By: Valiant</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/10/09/is-bush-going-to-veto-the-border-fence/comment-page-2/#comment-69275</link>
		<dc:creator>Valiant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thirteen28- I agree.  Let&#039;s get going!</description>
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		<title>By: thirteen28</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/10/09/is-bush-going-to-veto-the-border-fence/comment-page-2/#comment-69246</link>
		<dc:creator>thirteen28</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;AC says it better than me though her list is not as exhaustive as it could be. The primary process in the GOP is rigged against conservative ideology. The problem is more than putting up with one RINO to keep power. It is more than failing to secure the border. It is more than growing government to gastronomical [sic] proportions. It is a pattern of mostly liberal policies eminating from the White House under Bush43. It is the inability to recognize the enemy whether it be Ted Kennedy or the teachings of radical Islam.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks for the link to Ann&#039;s column, I had missed that one, and yet it&#039;s more pertinent now than it was when originally written.

Bottom line is (as others like techno have corrected me above), we conservatives need to wrest control of the primary process from the RNC powers that be.  They are the ones who keep moving the party away from its conservative ideals.  As Ann noted, last time conservatives did get control of the primary process, we got Reagan in the WH for eight years.  Definitely worth the fight.  

Republicans are at their best when they are confidently conservative.  We can&#039;t do much about this election cycle now except vote to hang on, but when primary season rolls around next time, we need to be ready and we need to take the fight to the RNC leadership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>AC says it better than me though her list is not as exhaustive as it could be. The primary process in the GOP is rigged against conservative ideology. The problem is more than putting up with one RINO to keep power. It is more than failing to secure the border. It is more than growing government to gastronomical [sic] proportions. It is a pattern of mostly liberal policies eminating from the White House under Bush43. It is the inability to recognize the enemy whether it be Ted Kennedy or the teachings of radical Islam.</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks for the link to Ann&#8217;s column, I had missed that one, and yet it&#8217;s more pertinent now than it was when originally written.</p>
<p>Bottom line is (as others like techno have corrected me above), we conservatives need to wrest control of the primary process from the RNC powers that be.  They are the ones who keep moving the party away from its conservative ideals.  As Ann noted, last time conservatives did get control of the primary process, we got Reagan in the WH for eight years.  Definitely worth the fight.  </p>
<p>Republicans are at their best when they are confidently conservative.  We can&#8217;t do much about this election cycle now except vote to hang on, but when primary season rolls around next time, we need to be ready and we need to take the fight to the RNC leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: Soothsayer</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/10/09/is-bush-going-to-veto-the-border-fence/comment-page-2/#comment-69194</link>
		<dc:creator>Soothsayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The Democrats might be better in some ways because they’ve got something to prove. Just like how Nixon could go to China but not LBJ lest he be accused of Communist sympathies, it may be that a Democratic Congress or President would want to take an unusually tough line — at least at first — on terrorism to show the public they’ve got the chops for hardball.
Allahpundit on October 9, 2006 at 2:03 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;YOU HAVE LOST YOUR FRIGGIN MIND!!!&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; With all due respect AP, you&#039;re starting to worry me bro! How could the DEMS who want DEAD PEOPLE and FELONS to vote, and abortions on every corner, be &quot;Better&quot;? How could these immoral sacks of shit who are&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52335&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; TEACHING OUR GODDAMNED CHILDREN&lt;/a&gt; &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;ISLAM&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; in direct violation of all the bullshit they concocted over the alleged &quot;seperation between church and state&quot;, be &quot;better&quot;? Are you smoking that California Gold? They&#039;re already teaching your kids how to take it up the ass and smile and you say they could be &quot;better&quot;? On what? Terrorism? Wouldn&#039;t you have to first acknowledge that there IS a war on terror in order to fight it?

Exactly what has a &lt;strong&gt;DemoNcrat&lt;/strong&gt; ever said or done to imply, even remotely, THAT THEY WOULD FIGHT &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;ANYTHING&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;? Last time I checked they were busy trying to &quot;understand&quot; the terrorists and secure habeus corpus rights for them! These are the same people that think&lt;strong&gt; SLEEP DEPRIVATION AND PANTIES ON THE HEAD = TORTURE! &lt;/strong&gt; These are the same people who think that there exists a causal relationship between, poverty and that all enveloping  &quot;oppression&quot; which makes blowing oneself up, &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&quot;understandable&quot;!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

That was a really irresponsible statement dude, and to the degree that you  are so ignorant of the differences between the most FLAWED child of GOD and the CHILDREN OF SATAN, which is who the liberals are, is staggeringly shocking. They are the people of the Bible who usher in RUIN and TRIBULATION, they are the mechanism through which this land will once again become as Sodom, before the return of the King. Pick up a Bible sometime would ya, buy a vowel and get a clue dude. You can&#039;t possibly win a fight if you are ignorant as to who your enemy REALLY IS!

                                      LUKE 17

28. &quot;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;It was the same in the days of Lot&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 
29. &lt;strong&gt;But the day Lot left Sodom&lt;/strong&gt;, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.

 30&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&quot;It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;

Now since, &quot;eating&quot;, &quot;drinking&quot; and &quot;marrying&quot; are NOT sins, WHAT was going on in SODOM that got them canned? Huh? FAGGOTRY that&#039;s what and it was so severe that homos SURROUNDED A MAN&#039;S HOUSE, so that they could &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=GEN%2019;&amp;version=31;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ANALLY RAPE his guests! &lt;/a&gt;

Jesus SPECIFICALLY linked his return to the rise of homosexuality, the sin for which he destroyed Sodom, and you think that the CHAMPIONS OF THAT SIN, will be better than flawed Republicans who at least recognize, sin for BEING sin? I mean, with all their flaws is their any doubt that the reason Foley wasn&#039;t trounced early on, is because of Political Correctness? Imagine the Queer Army that would amass had a republican congressman DARED to imply that being a sodomite, might make one more likely than not to schtup a child?

Is there any doubt that most of the Christian &quot;Lite&quot; republicans held their nose when they shook Foley&#039;s clammy hands, preferring decorum to the upset necessary to tell the queer he was in the wrong party? Now, I condemn Hastert and co, for not having the BALLS or FAITH to do exactly that, but there can be no doubt that those who feared the consequences of slamming Foley, are infinitely better than Foley himself. I mean, these people wanted to teach &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51833&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ASS RAPE as a &quot;positive&quot; in the California School System!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; TO KINDERGARTEN!!!!!!! TO EIGHT YEAR OLDS!!!! Man get in the game, would ya?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The Democrats might be better in some ways because they’ve got something to prove. Just like how Nixon could go to China but not LBJ lest he be accused of Communist sympathies, it may be that a Democratic Congress or President would want to take an unusually tough line — at least at first — on terrorism to show the public they’ve got the chops for hardball.<br />
Allahpundit on October 9, 2006 at 2:03 PM</p></blockquote>
<p><strong><em>YOU HAVE LOST YOUR FRIGGIN MIND!!!</em></strong> With all due respect AP, you&#8217;re starting to worry me bro! How could the DEMS who want DEAD PEOPLE and FELONS to vote, and abortions on every corner, be &#8220;Better&#8221;? How could these immoral sacks of shit who are<a href="http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52335" rel="nofollow"> TEACHING OUR GODDAMNED CHILDREN</a> <strong><em>ISLAM</em></strong> in direct violation of all the bullshit they concocted over the alleged &#8220;seperation between church and state&#8221;, be &#8220;better&#8221;? Are you smoking that California Gold? They&#8217;re already teaching your kids how to take it up the ass and smile and you say they could be &#8220;better&#8221;? On what? Terrorism? Wouldn&#8217;t you have to first acknowledge that there IS a war on terror in order to fight it?</p>
<p>Exactly what has a <strong>DemoNcrat</strong> ever said or done to imply, even remotely, THAT THEY WOULD FIGHT <strong><em>ANYTHING</em></strong>? Last time I checked they were busy trying to &#8220;understand&#8221; the terrorists and secure habeus corpus rights for them! These are the same people that think<strong> SLEEP DEPRIVATION AND PANTIES ON THE HEAD = TORTURE! </strong> These are the same people who think that there exists a causal relationship between, poverty and that all enveloping  &#8220;oppression&#8221; which makes blowing oneself up, <em><strong>&#8220;understandable&#8221;!</strong></em></p>
<p>That was a really irresponsible statement dude, and to the degree that you  are so ignorant of the differences between the most FLAWED child of GOD and the CHILDREN OF SATAN, which is who the liberals are, is staggeringly shocking. They are the people of the Bible who usher in RUIN and TRIBULATION, they are the mechanism through which this land will once again become as Sodom, before the return of the King. Pick up a Bible sometime would ya, buy a vowel and get a clue dude. You can&#8217;t possibly win a fight if you are ignorant as to who your enemy REALLY IS!</p>
<p>                                      LUKE 17</p>
<p>28. &#8220;<strong><em>It was the same in the days of Lot</em></strong>. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building.<br />
29. <strong>But the day Lot left Sodom</strong>, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.</p>
<p> 30<strong><em>&#8220;It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. </em></strong></p>
<p>Now since, &#8220;eating&#8221;, &#8220;drinking&#8221; and &#8220;marrying&#8221; are NOT sins, WHAT was going on in SODOM that got them canned? Huh? FAGGOTRY that&#8217;s what and it was so severe that homos SURROUNDED A MAN&#8217;S HOUSE, so that they could <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=GEN%2019;&amp;version=31;" rel="nofollow">ANALLY RAPE his guests! </a></p>
<p>Jesus SPECIFICALLY linked his return to the rise of homosexuality, the sin for which he destroyed Sodom, and you think that the CHAMPIONS OF THAT SIN, will be better than flawed Republicans who at least recognize, sin for BEING sin? I mean, with all their flaws is their any doubt that the reason Foley wasn&#8217;t trounced early on, is because of Political Correctness? Imagine the Queer Army that would amass had a republican congressman DARED to imply that being a sodomite, might make one more likely than not to schtup a child?</p>
<p>Is there any doubt that most of the Christian &#8220;Lite&#8221; republicans held their nose when they shook Foley&#8217;s clammy hands, preferring decorum to the upset necessary to tell the queer he was in the wrong party? Now, I condemn Hastert and co, for not having the BALLS or FAITH to do exactly that, but there can be no doubt that those who feared the consequences of slamming Foley, are infinitely better than Foley himself. I mean, these people wanted to teach <strong><em><a href="http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51833" rel="nofollow">ASS RAPE as a &#8220;positive&#8221; in the California School System!</a></em></strong> TO KINDERGARTEN!!!!!!! TO EIGHT YEAR OLDS!!!! Man get in the game, would ya?</p>
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		<title>By: LakeRuins</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/10/09/is-bush-going-to-veto-the-border-fence/comment-page-2/#comment-69157</link>
		<dc:creator>LakeRuins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you haven&#039;t done so go over to &lt;a href=&quot;http://pajamasmedia.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pajamas Media &lt;/a&gt;and vote for the name of the new political party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you haven&#8217;t done so go over to <a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/" rel="nofollow">Pajamas Media </a>and vote for the name of the new political party.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregor</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/10/09/is-bush-going-to-veto-the-border-fence/comment-page-2/#comment-69105</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No.  There&#039;s not.  Losing this election will be disaster for this country.  And you just gave yourself away as a liberal by saying we&#039;ve already lost the battle in the topics I listed.  You sound like John Murtha.  

And you STILL continue to ignore the point that what you are doing will result in the same thing you&#039;re bitching about.  You ignore ignore ignore.

I knew you were a plant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No.  There&#8217;s not.  Losing this election will be disaster for this country.  And you just gave yourself away as a liberal by saying we&#8217;ve already lost the battle in the topics I listed.  You sound like John Murtha.  </p>
<p>And you STILL continue to ignore the point that what you are doing will result in the same thing you&#8217;re bitching about.  You ignore ignore ignore.</p>
<p>I knew you were a plant.</p>
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		<title>By: Perchant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perchant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;ll start a liberal blog where I try to persuade libs to vote for Republicans in protest.  I think this is the future of blogging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;ll start a liberal blog where I try to persuade libs to vote for Republicans in protest.  I think this is the future of blogging.</p>
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		<title>By: Valiant</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/10/09/is-bush-going-to-veto-the-border-fence/comment-page-2/#comment-69098</link>
		<dc:creator>Valiant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;YOU STILL LOSE! Your plan has absolutely no possitive outcome unless you’re actually a liberal. Nada&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Right back at you.  We have already &quot;lost&quot; the battle in the things you enumerate above.  It is a lose-lose situation for the short term.  I am looking for the long-term fix.  I could be wrong.  Is there any possibility that you are wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>YOU STILL LOSE! Your plan has absolutely no possitive outcome unless you’re actually a liberal. Nada</p></blockquote>
<p>Right back at you.  We have already &#8220;lost&#8221; the battle in the things you enumerate above.  It is a lose-lose situation for the short term.  I am looking for the long-term fix.  I could be wrong.  Is there any possibility that you are wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Gregor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Errrr ... positive</description>
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		<title>By: Gregor</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/10/09/is-bush-going-to-veto-the-border-fence/comment-page-2/#comment-68995</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valiant -

I knew you couldn&#039;t do it.  You still insist on ignoring one major flaw in your plan to vote independent or alternate party.  YOU STILL LOSE!  Your plan has absolutely no possitive outcome unless you&#039;re actually a liberal.  Nada.

You voting for the &quot;alternate party&quot; or not voting will simply give the win to the Democrat - who is going to be even MORE liberal than what you are bitching about now.

What will you have gained?  Nothing.
What will you have lossed?  Iraq, a few supreme court nominations, the right to express your religious beliefs, the right to have a say in what your child is taught in school, national security, and for the most part ... your country.

You continue to ignore that.  It&#039;s like a learning disability or something.

But I guess you&#039;re willing to lose the game just so you can tell the coach to F-off for not letting you carry the ball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valiant -</p>
<p>I knew you couldn&#8217;t do it.  You still insist on ignoring one major flaw in your plan to vote independent or alternate party.  YOU STILL LOSE!  Your plan has absolutely no possitive outcome unless you&#8217;re actually a liberal.  Nada.</p>
<p>You voting for the &#8220;alternate party&#8221; or not voting will simply give the win to the Democrat &#8211; who is going to be even MORE liberal than what you are bitching about now.</p>
<p>What will you have gained?  Nothing.<br />
What will you have lossed?  Iraq, a few supreme court nominations, the right to express your religious beliefs, the right to have a say in what your child is taught in school, national security, and for the most part &#8230; your country.</p>
<p>You continue to ignore that.  It&#8217;s like a learning disability or something.</p>
<p>But I guess you&#8217;re willing to lose the game just so you can tell the coach to F-off for not letting you carry the ball.</p>
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		<title>By: Valiant</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/10/09/is-bush-going-to-veto-the-border-fence/comment-page-2/#comment-68994</link>
		<dc:creator>Valiant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Spencer is correct,</description>
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		<title>By: PRCalDude</title>
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		<dc:creator>PRCalDude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;AC says it better than me though her list is not as exhaustive as it could be. The primary process in the GOP is rigged against conservative ideology. The problem is more than putting up with one RINO to keep power. It is more than failing to secure the border. It is more than growing government to gastronomical [sic] proportions. It is a pattern of mostly liberal policies eminating from the White House under Bush43. It is the inability to recognize the enemy whether it be Ted Kennedy or the teachings of radical Islam.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly, though if Robert Spencer is correct, we need to drop &#039;radical&#039; off of our description of Islam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>AC says it better than me though her list is not as exhaustive as it could be. The primary process in the GOP is rigged against conservative ideology. The problem is more than putting up with one RINO to keep power. It is more than failing to secure the border. It is more than growing government to gastronomical [sic] proportions. It is a pattern of mostly liberal policies eminating from the White House under Bush43. It is the inability to recognize the enemy whether it be Ted Kennedy or the teachings of radical Islam.</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly, though if Robert Spencer is correct, we need to drop &#8216;radical&#8217; off of our description of Islam.</p>
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		<title>By: Valiant</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/10/09/is-bush-going-to-veto-the-border-fence/comment-page-2/#comment-68958</link>
		<dc:creator>Valiant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.anncoulter.org/cgi-local/printer_friendly.cgi?article=78&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AC&lt;/a&gt; says it better than me though her list is not as exhaustive as it could be.  The primary process in the GOP is rigged against conservative ideology.  The problem is more than putting up with one RINO to keep  power.  It is more than failing to secure the border. It is more than growing government to gastronomical [sic] proportions.  It is a pattern of mostly liberal policies eminating from the White House under Bush43.  It is the inability to recognize the enemy whether it be Ted Kennedy or the teachings of radical Islam.

I agree a liberal Dem Congress would be catastrophic for this country, in large part because Bush will not veto anything as part of his &lt;em&gt;new tone compassionate conservative&lt;/em&gt; BS except his current mission in Iraq.  At least, betrayed conservatives will have clear battle lines drawn for them, the alternative media will blossom ten-fold more than in the Clinton years, and Allahpundit and others in the industry will become millionares. Lighten up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.anncoulter.org/cgi-local/printer_friendly.cgi?article=78" rel="nofollow">AC</a> says it better than me though her list is not as exhaustive as it could be.  The primary process in the GOP is rigged against conservative ideology.  The problem is more than putting up with one RINO to keep  power.  It is more than failing to secure the border. It is more than growing government to gastronomical [sic] proportions.  It is a pattern of mostly liberal policies eminating from the White House under Bush43.  It is the inability to recognize the enemy whether it be Ted Kennedy or the teachings of radical Islam.</p>
<p>I agree a liberal Dem Congress would be catastrophic for this country, in large part because Bush will not veto anything as part of his <em>new tone compassionate conservative</em> BS except his current mission in Iraq.  At least, betrayed conservatives will have clear battle lines drawn for them, the alternative media will blossom ten-fold more than in the Clinton years, and Allahpundit and others in the industry will become millionares. Lighten up.</p>
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		<title>By: Church and State</title>
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		<dc:creator>Church and State</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Liberals Are Like Teenagers...&lt;/strong&gt;

The teens make us nervous every time they open their mouths, they blame everything on parents, they want us to be &quot;fair&quot;, they want us pay for everything, and they think they know everything....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Liberals Are Like Teenagers&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>The teens make us nervous every time they open their mouths, they blame everything on parents, they want us to be &#8220;fair&#8221;, they want us pay for everything, and they think they know everything&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Entelechy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Entelechy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pollingreport.com/prioriti.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;important to voters this fall &lt;/a&gt;- immigration is way down on the list (those who are against it are most passionate).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s <a href="http://www.pollingreport.com/prioriti.htm" rel="nofollow">important to voters this fall </a>- immigration is way down on the list (those who are against it are most passionate).</p>
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		<title>By: RedWinged Blackbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedWinged Blackbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Very few people (Allah) are actually suggesting voting leftie. Most will vote third party or sit out as I said I would do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It doesn&#039;t make a bit of difference.  All three options will produce the same results.  We will wake up on 11/8 to find the dhimmicrats in control of the House and possibly the Senate.  They will immediately de-fund the war in Iraq, causing American casualties to soar and forcing us to retreat in disgrace.  At that point, it really will be another Viet Nam.  By 2008, Iraq will be one big terrorist training camp.  Of course, the dhimmis will blame it on Bush, and there still won&#039;t be a damn fence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Very few people (Allah) are actually suggesting voting leftie. Most will vote third party or sit out as I said I would do.</p></blockquote>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t make a bit of difference.  All three options will produce the same results.  We will wake up on 11/8 to find the dhimmicrats in control of the House and possibly the Senate.  They will immediately de-fund the war in Iraq, causing American casualties to soar and forcing us to retreat in disgrace.  At that point, it really will be another Viet Nam.  By 2008, Iraq will be one big terrorist training camp.  Of course, the dhimmis will blame it on Bush, and there still won&#8217;t be a damn fence.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valiant -

Two things.
One, as I pointed out before ... a non-vote or a vote for someone who has no chance of winning is as good as a vote for the Democrats.  You take away a vote from the GOP.  So your logic is flawed.  

Second, you say ... &quot;don&#039;t assume because I am against nation building that I don&#039;t support the war in Iraq.  If the war has become nation-building, we have no business over there now. 

That statement contradicts itself and, as I pointed out earlier ...

&lt;blockquote&gt;It might be worthy to note that us losing the mid-terms will in effect … cause us to lose this war. You’re giving the liberals the power to yank our troops and raise the white flag. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

One note to Pablo in regards to Chafee ... I agree it sucks to have to support Chafee.  He&#039;s a scumbag.  But it&#039;s important to understand why the GOP supported him.  He is a Republican - admittedly in name only - but still a Republican.  The GOP was correct in it&#039;s thinking that Chafee was the only of the two primary candidates who had any chance at all of beating the Democrat.  So although he votes liberal ... it would keep the GOP seat and help hold our majority.  

Unfortunately, he&#039;s going to lose that Republican seat anyway, but you have to remember that his primary opponent would have also lost, even worse.  There are districts where it is just plain impossible for a conservative to win.  It&#039;s called strategy. 

What&#039;s more important?  Gaining the majority and having to live with Chafee in the group, or running a true conservative in his place and being assured of losing the majority?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valiant -</p>
<p>Two things.<br />
One, as I pointed out before &#8230; a non-vote or a vote for someone who has no chance of winning is as good as a vote for the Democrats.  You take away a vote from the GOP.  So your logic is flawed.  </p>
<p>Second, you say &#8230; &#8220;don&#8217;t assume because I am against nation building that I don&#8217;t support the war in Iraq.  If the war has become nation-building, we have no business over there now. </p>
<p>That statement contradicts itself and, as I pointed out earlier &#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>It might be worthy to note that us losing the mid-terms will in effect … cause us to lose this war. You’re giving the liberals the power to yank our troops and raise the white flag. </p></blockquote>
<p>One note to Pablo in regards to Chafee &#8230; I agree it sucks to have to support Chafee.  He&#8217;s a scumbag.  But it&#8217;s important to understand why the GOP supported him.  He is a Republican &#8211; admittedly in name only &#8211; but still a Republican.  The GOP was correct in it&#8217;s thinking that Chafee was the only of the two primary candidates who had any chance at all of beating the Democrat.  So although he votes liberal &#8230; it would keep the GOP seat and help hold our majority.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, he&#8217;s going to lose that Republican seat anyway, but you have to remember that his primary opponent would have also lost, even worse.  There are districts where it is just plain impossible for a conservative to win.  It&#8217;s called strategy. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s more important?  Gaining the majority and having to live with Chafee in the group, or running a true conservative in his place and being assured of losing the majority?</p>
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		<title>By: natesnake</title>
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		<dc:creator>natesnake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll second someone&#039;s earlier comment about utilizing the Primary as a tool to enforce GOP change.  If your fourth term incumbant is not getting the job done, don&#039;t just vote for his opponent (if reasonably qualified), go out and campaign for him/her.  Sweat equity goes a long way in politics.

Also, as thirteen28 is currently doing, regularly write emails to your representatives stating why you are campaigning for their Primary opponant.  It doesn&#039;t hurt to write that email to both GOP and Dem encumbants.  Even if you didn&#039;t vote for them, lie like the dickens, and tell them your vote is going to their opponant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll second someone&#8217;s earlier comment about utilizing the Primary as a tool to enforce GOP change.  If your fourth term incumbant is not getting the job done, don&#8217;t just vote for his opponent (if reasonably qualified), go out and campaign for him/her.  Sweat equity goes a long way in politics.</p>
<p>Also, as thirteen28 is currently doing, regularly write emails to your representatives stating why you are campaigning for their Primary opponant.  It doesn&#8217;t hurt to write that email to both GOP and Dem encumbants.  Even if you didn&#8217;t vote for them, lie like the dickens, and tell them your vote is going to their opponant.</p>
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		<title>By: The American Pundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>The American Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Mexico Threatens to Take Fence to UN...&lt;/strong&gt;

Mexico is threatening to take the US Border Fence plan to the United Nations world body. It says that we should be building a &quot;bridge of friendship&quot; with Mexico, instead. Yeah, no. Like Carlos Mencia says, its like coming into my house, sh*tting on m...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Mexico Threatens to Take Fence to UN&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Mexico is threatening to take the US Border Fence plan to the United Nations world body. It says that we should be building a &#8220;bridge of friendship&#8221; with Mexico, instead. Yeah, no. Like Carlos Mencia says, its like coming into my house, sh*tting on m&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Argghhh! The Home Of Two Of Jonah's Military Guys..</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/10/09/is-bush-going-to-veto-the-border-fence/comment-page-2/#comment-68818</link>
		<dc:creator>Argghhh! The Home Of Two Of Jonah's Military Guys..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Okay.  I understand the feeling......&lt;/strong&gt;

...really I do. I feel it myself. The ennui with Republican idiocy. I feel the tug of Not Voting For The Right, myself. I don&#039;t really want to vote Republican, but truly, in the absence of a Constructive Left, what......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Okay.  I understand the feeling&#8230;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>&#8230;really I do. I feel it myself. The ennui with Republican idiocy. I feel the tug of Not Voting For The Right, myself. I don&#8217;t really want to vote Republican, but truly, in the absence of a Constructive Left, what&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Valiant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valiant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very few people (Allah) are actually suggesting voting leftie.  Most will vote third party or sit out as I said I would do.  Those GOP primaries are going really well with Rove and company breaking their backs to defeat conservatives, e.g. Toomey.  And if a conservative should win, they will not be supported in the general election (Harris and Randy Graf in AZ who is for sealing the border).  You are the traitor against the Constitution if you abet this leadership by returning them to power.  Also, don&#039;t assume because I am against nation-building that I don&#039;t support the war in Iraq.  If the war has become nation-building, we have no business over there now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very few people (Allah) are actually suggesting voting leftie.  Most will vote third party or sit out as I said I would do.  Those GOP primaries are going really well with Rove and company breaking their backs to defeat conservatives, e.g. Toomey.  And if a conservative should win, they will not be supported in the general election (Harris and Randy Graf in AZ who is for sealing the border).  You are the traitor against the Constitution if you abet this leadership by returning them to power.  Also, don&#8217;t assume because I am against nation-building that I don&#8217;t support the war in Iraq.  If the war has become nation-building, we have no business over there now.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the recent Republican primary, I voted for the conservative. But the Republican party got the win for their guy, Linc Chaffee. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes even when you win you lose. 

It doesn&#039;t much matter who I vote for next month in terms of the races. Chaffee will lose his Senate seat to the Democrat, Kennedy and Langevin will keep their House seats in the D column.

I might write in &quot;None of the Above&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the recent Republican primary, I voted for the conservative. But the Republican party got the win for their guy, Linc Chaffee. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes even when you win you lose. </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t much matter who I vote for next month in terms of the races. Chaffee will lose his Senate seat to the Democrat, Kennedy and Langevin will keep their House seats in the D column.</p>
<p>I might write in &#8220;None of the Above&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: EricPWJohnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>EricPWJohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 07:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To follow this Libertarian logic,

the right left the right.  So vote left to do the right thing?

Or, if we want deeper tax cuts, cut deeper into the right so all thats left is the right ones and have more of those to the left.  The more we have to the left the righter things will be in washington?

Wonder why libertarians call 5% a great year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To follow this Libertarian logic,</p>
<p>the right left the right.  So vote left to do the right thing?</p>
<p>Or, if we want deeper tax cuts, cut deeper into the right so all thats left is the right ones and have more of those to the left.  The more we have to the left the righter things will be in washington?</p>
<p>Wonder why libertarians call 5% a great year!</p>
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		<title>By: EricPWJohnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>EricPWJohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 07:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So people are upset at this current batch of Republican leadership as not being right enough, but then they say vote left to teach the not so right a lesson for going left?

So if right isn&#039;t right enough do the right thing and vote left?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So people are upset at this current batch of Republican leadership as not being right enough, but then they say vote left to teach the not so right a lesson for going left?</p>
<p>So if right isn&#8217;t right enough do the right thing and vote left?</p>
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		<title>By: TBinSTL</title>
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		<dc:creator>TBinSTL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 06:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Republicannibals are out in force on this thread it seems.</description>
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		<title>By: Sarah D.</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2006/10/09/is-bush-going-to-veto-the-border-fence/comment-page-2/#comment-68720</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 05:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good grief.  Yeah, voting against the Republicans to &quot;teach them a lesson&quot; is a real good idea.  If you&#039;re an idiot.

We&#039;re in the beginning of a war people.  A long one.

Can we at least wait and see what the heck happens with the wall issue before we start shooting at our supposed allies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good grief.  Yeah, voting against the Republicans to &#8220;teach them a lesson&#8221; is a real good idea.  If you&#8217;re an idiot.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re in the beginning of a war people.  A long one.</p>
<p>Can we at least wait and see what the heck happens with the wall issue before we start shooting at our supposed allies?</p>
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