The German people not did not fall lockstep behind Hitler and his ideas. There was much opposition that was systematically removed (killed, tortured, incarcarated) by at first the SA and then the Gestapo (State Secret Police). Source: History channel, story of the Gestapo.

The point is that the same thing is happening now with the Islamofacist. In Palestinian territories especially any opposition to their Islamofacist Ideology is killed and it is probable that fear is instilled to insure support with others that would provide opposition.

Brigitte Gabriel gives account at http://americancongressfortruth.com/activityreport.html of what happend to the Christians in Lebanon – and what we can expect in areas the Islamofacist gains control. Her two part interivew is worth viewing.

Europe is experiencing this type of Islamofacist repression now – the story of Hershi Ali, a member of the Dutch Parliment, is a good example.

The Islamofacist Gestapo is alive, well, and very active.

JonR: “You are right about Bayer being in an overall holding company.”

Bayer has an intresting history, especially after WWI. Bayer’s assets, including their trademark, were confiscated in the United States after WWI and awarded to Sterling. The US company (Sterling, later Sterling Winthrop), of course, had nothing to do with Zyklon.

Interesting enough, Bayer AB reacquired the trademark and OTC product line when it purchased it from SmithKline Beecham in 1994.

So, “Bayer” is “Bayer” owned again.

“That is what makes them even more dangerous than the Germans in the ’30s and ’40s.”

Hi Jon,

I take a very small exception to that. I would say that it makes them equally dangerous and morally equivalent.

Turning people into soap, killing 6-million members of one ethnicity (half of those alive at the time) in camps, sadistic medical experiments… it’s hard to argue that the Nazis were somehow better.

I would say their ideologies and motivations were both evil. I don’t have any idea how to characterize one as necessarily more evil than the other; their goals are the same &8212; world domination, killing all Jews, and slavery for the rest of humanity.

I agree comletely with your statements about the obligation we all have to confront and eliminate evil.

I belive that the Germans and the Nazi party though they were doing what was best for them at the time. I don’t know if they thought it was “good” or not. However, we do know that the Islamofacists do think that murder and destruction is a valid instrument of their culture and religion. That is what makes them even more dangerous than the Germans in the ’30s and ’40s.

JonR

Now the catch 22 is, the Germans and the nazi’s beleived they were doing good.

You are right about Bayer being in an overall holding company.

JonR

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Sorry about the spelling of Nazi!

JonR on October 6, 2006 at 2:36 PM

JonR, if you have trouble spelling it, just look at some of the posters you will see at some of our more progressive rallys.

The correct spelling there appears to be Zionazi.

It was alleged, but never proved.  Until now.  Via Hot Air: 
It had always been alleged, but they couldn’t prove it at the time due to the limits of forensic testing.
They can prove it now.
No matter how bad you think they were, th…

Probably, but GM is not Hitler and the Pinto had death rates from accidents similar to most compact cars of the time.
More here

kmcguire on October 6, 2006 at 2:26 PM

You should read “On a Clear Day You Can See General Motors” John diLaurien’s (sp?) of his time at GM and the Pinto story.

-there’s a large body of work that addresses the idea that the group or the crowd has less conscience than the individual (this was starkly illustrated in the Pinto gas tank embroglio)

Probably, but GM is not Hitler and the Pinto had death rates from accidents similar to most compact cars of the time.
More here

Anyone who knows how sick the Nazi really were should not find it shocking at all. This is why we should be forceful when confronting fascism today.

Honora, who posted above, is right: evil is insidious.

Disturbing story.

I’ve been to the H Museum a couple of times, the children’s section is especially well done.

If you are ever in Washington DC, pay a visit to the Holocaust museum. It is a bit of a downer, but you will come away with a better understanding of who Hitler was and how the human spirit eventually overcomes even the worst of nature.

That is weird that the Nazis thought the Jews were lesser ,maybe an unclean race, and yet they make soap out of them. What could frame such evil?

Drtuddle on October 6, 2006 at 1:47 PM

Excellent question. Don’t have the answer, but some thoughts:
-people in Germany didn’t wake up one day and “yessiree, I think I’ll go kill me some Jews”. There was a long history of anti-Semitism in Europe, plus the post WWI economic woes of Germany were furtile ground for a charismatic leader to assuage people’s fears and woes with the image of an evil, powerful enemy–with a different religion no less.
-the thing about evil isn’t that it’s banal, but that it’s insidious. One day you expel Jews from universities, the next thing you know you’re washing yourself with some odd soap.
-there’s a large body of work that addresses the idea that the group or the crowd has less conscience than the individual (this was starkly illustrated in the Pinto gas tank embroglio)
-the key thing is not to look at Nazism and Hitler and cartoon it; regular people are capable of horrible things, if only sins of omission.

BTW, does anyone know if Muslims have begun to eat Pork via genetically modified organisms, using Pig matter, that are not labeled?

The libs keep telling everyone what a Nazi Bushitler is. Too bad they have no education about what the Nazis were all about. Ah for the days of perspective, restraint, and reality in political discourse.