No, they won’t. We need to quit making up silly stuff and stay close to reality. This isn’t your 42″ galvanized chain link fence. It’s big, it’s strong, it’s deep, it’s two layers, and a bunch of unemployed Mexican punks are hardly going to “tear it down.”

Jaibones on October 8, 2006 at 1:

26 AM

You know what they say, what a 12 foot fence does most effectively is drive demand of 13 foot ladders. Think of what our ancestors endured to get here–a trip of thousand of miles in rickety sailing vessels with primitive navigation aids. For religious freedom and economic opportunity–human values that are in our genenic code.

Yeah a fence. That’ll do it.

Building a fence will not fix the problem. If we build a fence, the Mexicans will just tear it down. It doesn’t cost anything to tear the fence down, all it take is time, something the Mexicans have in abundance.

No, they won’t. We need to quit making up silly stuff and stay close to reality. This isn’t your 42″ galvanized chain link fence. It’s big, it’s strong, it’s deep, it’s two layers, and a bunch of unemployed Mexican punks are hardly going to “tear it down.”

None of those actions will work when our leaders sabotage every effort and could care less about the ‘citizens will’.

Real solution, new leaders, it might not happen overnight but if we keep demanding change, we can make adjustments and we can reverse the tide.

Understand, I don’t mention the Indians in order to disparage the ancestors of the present-day Americans. They were, after all, the victors. I’m pointing to Tocqueville’s history of another people’s gradual retreat before colonists because it illustrates the deadliness of that response.

Machiavelli and Rousseau point out two small details about the French: The French have dark hair; the French used to have blonde hair. As I recall, Machiavelli and Rousseau leave it to their readers to work out the meanings of this change.

The problem is employers in the United States who will hire applicants who can not document their citizenship status, or support their application with fraudulent documents.

As long as illegal immigrants can get jobs, they will keep coming.

Where is it written in stone that a physical barrier is the one and only solution to the illegal immigration problem? It makes sense to diversify our means of securing and patrolling the border via technology, surveillance, tracking systems, new access roads, etc. It won’t take long for our southern neighbors to figure out the weakness of the fencing, and open up the illegal floodgates again. Back-up infrastructures will provide additional tiers of protection, oversight and support beyond the fence itself.

Instead of a one plan fits all, the Republicans have opted for a flexible strategy to counter the illegal border crossings. That’s called a creative plan, developed to handle a plethora of anticipated and/or unexpected situations on the ground.

Dems on the WOT: Bush is stubborn, has one plan, won’t change, we need a new direction

Dems on Border Security: Homeland Security has many plans and funding options, able to adapt to conditions as warranted, why can’t they just put up a fence?

Good or Bad?

fogw on October 6, 2006 at 3:10 PM

I agree with your thoughts re the fence.

However, I believe the point is that the Republicans ballyhooed this as a bill to build a 700 mile fence–you know, the old bumper sticker school of government–fence good, Democrats had–and now that it appears not to be the case…well you know the rest. Rather ironic at that.

I have been carrying your position for some time, now, but keep getting kicked in the cajones by the GOP’s Country Club Weenies; McCain, Bush, Graham, Hagel, etc.

I am now inclined to believe that maybe less is more. Maybe a couple of years of watching Speaker Pelosi, and Chairman Leahy f*ck things up beyond all recognition will enable conservative Republicans to gain control of the GOP.

As it is, dickeaters like McCain stake out middle ground thinking that they are between conservatives and the Moonbats, so they must be the only choice. It’s time to flush the GOP toilet.

I’ll take a three-toothed pitbull over a gumming poodle any election year.

The Party of Truman and JFK has become the Party of Retreat and Defeat.

It’s all they can do to hijack the conversation is to throw gay IM chat up as serious point of political debate during a global war with imperialistic theocratic terrorists.

Vote for those who know what Nick Berg went through.
And want to prevent it from spreading.

Not those who think Lawyers can stop the Jihad.

“WWTD”

I like that! I really do! But the problem is that a third party is too hard to get going. Not to mention that most conservatives have regular jobs which prevent them from dedicating the kind of time they would have to in getting a “Conservative” party off the ground.
I don’t believe that the Republican party is beyond repair, but I agree whole-heartedly that it needs some major restructuring. As much as I hate to say it, we still need them, if only to prevent the dems from making things worse.

A link to a Washington Post article that puts a negative slant on Republican posturing for border security. Shocking.

Also from the linked article:

But shortly before recessing late Friday, the House and Senate gave the Bush administration leeway to distribute the money to a combination of projects — not just the physical barrier along the southern border. The funds may also be spent on roads, technology and “tactical infrastructure” to support the Department of Homeland Security’s preferred option of a “virtual fence.”

Where is it written in stone that a physical barrier is the one and only solution to the illegal immigration problem? It makes sense to diversify our means of securing and patrolling the border via technology, surveillance, tracking systems, new access roads, etc. It won’t take long for our southern neighbors to figure out the weakness of the fencing, and open up the illegal floodgates again. Back-up infrastructures will provide additional tiers of protection, oversight and support beyond the fence itself.

Instead of a one plan fits all, the Republicans have opted for a flexible strategy to counter the illegal border crossings. That’s called a creative plan, developed to handle a plethora of anticipated and/or unexpected situations on the ground.

Dems on the WOT: Bush is stubborn, has one plan, won’t change, we need a new direction

Dems on Border Security: Homeland Security has many plans and funding options, able to adapt to conditions as warranted, why can’t they just put up a fence?

Good or Bad?

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I can smell it.

Someone? at around 2:16pm?

-”Bush goes with business every time.”

I wish it was that simple, A.

Lets get behind Tom Tancredo, give him all the money, and all of our support and see what he can do with it.
I’ll call him now and send him this page link.

Remember that when a politician says lets keep the debate civil, what they really mean is, don’t worry we can ream your roids and the good news is we won’t even need to use our hands.

Want more insight into exactly how it works? Here’s an interesting read by an ex ‘Mexican’ foreign aid.

“Immigration and Usurpation
Elites, Power, and the People’s Will”
http://www.cis.org/articles/2006/back706.html