French cops say Muslim housing projects are waging “civil war” against them

posted at 12:18 pm on October 5, 2006 by Allahpundit

This is old news to regulars of the righty blogosphere, of course. Dalrymple writes about this all the time, including this piece last year after the riots and his seminal treatment of the subject in City Journal back in 2002.

Even the Guardian’s been on this for awhile. Do you know what the word “tournante” means? If not, it’s high time you learned.

Anyway. The latest report quotes one police trade union spokesman as calling it … an intifada.

Police representatives told the newspaper Le Figaro that the “taboo” of attacking officers on patrol has been broken.

Instead, officers – especially those patrolling in pairs or small groups – faced attacks as soon as they tried to arrest locals…

He said yesterday: “We are in a state of civil war, orchestrated by radical Islamists. This is not a question of urban violence any more, it is an intifada, with stones and Molotov cocktails. You no longer see two or three youths confronting police, you see whole tower blocks emptying into the streets to set their ‘comrades’ free when they are arrested.”

I.e., they’re turning into no-go zones, a little slice of Dar al-Islam in the heart of postmodern France. The question is, how much of their behavior is informed by religion versus the usual pathologies that come with poverty and cultural alienation? Steyn writes at some length about that in his new book and concedes there might not be much jihad to the jihad — yet. But as France becomes more and more Muslim, the emerging majority will need some sort of political identity with which to organize itself. “Frenchness” doesn’t seem to have taken hold. What’s left?


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SHOCKING!

RightWinged on October 5, 2006 at 12:22 PM

Once again ,handling this as an LE issue is fruitless and dangerous.
I won’t even go into the comedy gold of sending in the French Army,it is just too damned depressing.

bbz123 on October 5, 2006 at 12:35 PM

“Camp of the Saints” comes true!

tommy1 on October 5, 2006 at 12:37 PM

Solution- Shoot to kill.

Solution to tournante?
Kill the rapist. All of them. As soon as you can. Eventually it WILL stop.

Best solution, get the hell out of France.

Wyrd on October 5, 2006 at 12:40 PM

By the way, did they get “The Drifter” or have I just not been in the right threads… You all remember him? He was honora and gregh’s predecessor who told us that he actually lived in France… and also denied their issues with Muslims, specifically non-assimilating radical ones, taking over their country. Has he just been busy celebrating Ramadan or getting fitted for his prayer rug? It’s weird, he used to be here all the time.

RightWinged on October 5, 2006 at 12:42 PM

What’s left?

Dhimmitude.

Kid from Brooklyn on October 5, 2006 at 12:45 PM

By the way, did they get “The Drifter” or have I just not been in the right threads

The Drifter banned himself in a thread about Cindy Sheehan blaming George Bush for her son’s death. He couldn’t imagine anyone else was to blame — not Osama, not Zarqawi, not Saddam, not the jihadi who actually killed Casey Sheehan, no one. And he promptly got reamed out for it.

So he said “I shan’t comment here again” or something to that effect, and that was that.

Allahpundit on October 5, 2006 at 12:50 PM

Hmmmm…I the U.N. Security Council should hurry up and draft a resolution to stop this.

SouthernGent on October 5, 2006 at 1:01 PM

English Translation of the French tournante: Revolving! Animals!

لا تقدم
Never Submit

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on October 5, 2006 at 1:01 PM

Oh, can’t believe I missed that one. Thanks AP, I had no clue and wondered a number of times where he’d been hiding.

RightWinged on October 5, 2006 at 1:04 PM

Has he just been busy celebrating Ramadan or getting fitted for his prayer rug? It’s weird, he used to be here all the time.

Allah, I thought YOU banned him. I remember that he used “shan’t” and thought that was really funny/stupid. Glad he’s gone, personally.

Dread, where have you been?

pullingmyhairout on October 5, 2006 at 1:16 PM

You no longer see two or three youths confronting police, you see whole tower blocks emptying into the streets to set their ‘comrades’ free when they are arrested.

And all of this because Sharon went to Temple Mount. If only someone stopped him back then …

Niko on October 5, 2006 at 1:18 PM

I love hearing the whimp mayors claiming that increased police tactics would cause a ‘circle of violence’ in their cities (is that their favorite term or what?).
The damned french army needs to clean them out in mass and in war

Defector01 on October 5, 2006 at 1:31 PM

This is old news. The French media actually covered up the attacks on Jewish peacenik kids marching in the “Peace Protests”. The Arab “youths” wearing their kaffeis (sp?) chased and beat them. An independant German tv crew caught the entire thing on tape but the French TV stations (partially government owned/controlled) REFUSED to run the tape or report the attacks. The French finally reported it two weeks AFTER the attack because the report and tape aired on German TV which was broadcast into France.
The last march was so violent the Govt stepped in and cancelled the rest of the “peace marches”. I was there at the time and it was terrifying. I was in traffic caught between a group of “youths” and riot police trying to stop them getting to the Synagogue across the street. The hatred on the faces of the “youths” was frightening.
These “youths” are raised to HATE everyone not of their “Faith”. The French hate anyone not “truely French” which means anyone not “white” French. A volatile and dangerous mix. Add in the fact that they WONT police these areas because the politicians dont want the fallout and BOOM.
Intifada? Exactly.

labwrs on October 5, 2006 at 1:43 PM

This “circle of violence” crap pisses me off. They advocate doing nothing, because it may escalate? but doing nothing reinforces the attacks, and they get even worse.
Some times you Need an escalation, so the survivors learn that their is a steep price when they pray on innocents.
A society that is afraid to protect itself is not worth saving.

Wyrd on October 5, 2006 at 1:55 PM

That something as barbaric as “tournante” (gang rape) could happen unabated in a supposedly ‘modern France’ is testiment to how far politicaly correct can actually go.

“French girls are for f###ing and Arab girls are for marrying.”

The French actually bury their heads in the sand while their own children are gang raped.

“Another girl was raped 86 times.”

Despicable and sickening.

Speakup on October 5, 2006 at 2:13 PM

Wyrd

They advocate doing nothing, because it may escalate?

Yep. You hit it on the head. It’s the same suicidal mentality that bleats that fighting terrorism results in ‘creating’ more terrorists.

In my opinion, that is exactly the point. Get them to stick their jihadi heads up so we can identify and take them out. Standing up to barbaric bullies works. It just takes balls for people to stand up and take action.

That’s not something the fwench, (or libtards of any stripe or nationality), are particularly good at.

techno_barbarian on October 5, 2006 at 2:17 PM

WHY ARE YOU ALL SURPRISED?

This is just the French surrendering all over again.

Sad.

BirdEye on October 5, 2006 at 3:14 PM

I don’t get it. Did you not notice that France is an Islamic nation? The transition went so smoothly that most people haven’t noticed I guess. The French are the outsiders now.

We’re headed in the same direction.

Gregor on October 5, 2006 at 3:44 PM

We better have contingency plans for taking out France’s nuclear weapons.

Tony737 on October 5, 2006 at 4:37 PM

Escalation is like a rousing game of “whack a mole” Keep whacking heads untill their are no more to whack. Then grab the tickets and collect the prize.

Wyrd on October 5, 2006 at 4:42 PM

Who cares… it’s France. They’re doing what they do best, nothing. Let them eat cake!

Actually, it is a great example of what will happen to our democracy (and everyone elses) if the Islamofascist savages are allowed to have their way in France completely… and if we don’t start putting the skids on multiculturalism. After they get done taking over France and making it their own, or turning the whole country into anarchy and bedlam, we can point fingers and say, “AHA! SEE? Now, let’s stop this thing before the same happens to us!”

Maybe that will help win some hearts and minds where it matters more than any other place on Earth, right here at home.

SilverStar830 on October 5, 2006 at 5:10 PM

After they get done taking over France and making it their own, or turning the whole country into anarchy and bedlam …

Errr … too late.

Gregor on October 5, 2006 at 6:23 PM

My answer is overwelming violence.

The french used to have public executions (until I believe the 1960′s)with this thing called the Guillotine.

Used it in the french revolution (1789-99).

Make the penalty for rape immedate public execution.

Oops, I forgot the french are cowards, sorry.

tormod on October 5, 2006 at 8:19 PM

The only executions we’re going to see are the French … by rioting Muslims.

Gregor on October 5, 2006 at 9:17 PM

You’re right Gregor.

I travel through Europe many times per year and it never ceases to amaze me the number of muslims there. London is basically quasi-muslim, France is definately no longer French…….the list goes on.

This is all the result of extremely liberal immigration policy in the EU and the UK. Soon, they will have real political power via the polling booth.

We ain’t seen nothing yet.

BacaDog on October 5, 2006 at 11:30 PM

What I can’t understand is why there aren’t fathers and brothers out there doing something about this. I realize that Islam is the anti-woman culture, but damn.

If some piece of s^&t ever harmed my sister or daughter, the police would only find very small pieces of his body, if any at all.

The solution to this problem is 9mm in diameter.

theholyhermit on October 6, 2006 at 5:30 AM

“Frenchness” doesn’t seem to have taken hold.

LOL. I wonder why…

Seriouisly, I have a hard time feeling sorry for the French, especially when it comes to difficulties with jihadists.

brazilnut on October 6, 2006 at 9:15 AM

Daniel Pipes made a couple of interesting observations about the French vs. the British.

1) The French work hard at trying to defend their French secular culture. Example: They have gone and banned the hijab in schools. The British do not and have not. (although that may have started to change)

2) The French have deported many more radical Islamists than the British.

3) The French have much tougher laws regarding terrorism and are much more aggressive at going after them using their legal system than the British.

4) The French don’t collect a lot of racial/ethnic statistics, because official policy seems to be that there is no such thing as a hypenated Frenchman. Meaning no Morrocan-Frenchman, Algerian-Frenchman, native-Frenchman. Instead, there is only French. If you are a Frenchman, enough said.

And yet, as Allahpundit pointed out, this Frenchness really hasn’t taken hold with them.

The Muslims in France seem to utter reject their country of France. And the Muslims in England seem to be very much in the same mindset. Two countries with very different domestic and international policies, but both seem to have such big problems with their domestic Muslim populations. And I don’t know why.

And yet the same mindset doesn’t seem to be anywhere near as prevelant here in the U.S. Yeah, I know we have our Muslim Scholars in New York and their crap. But on the whole, I don’t think we have anywhere near the problems Europe does.

I’m not sure I have a good answer why both France and England have such similar problems, and we don’t. But it seems to be a pretty significant thing.

EFG on October 6, 2006 at 9:51 AM

EFG, the difference between us and Europe is that “French” for example, is a nationality. One can move to France from Algeria but he does not ‘become’ French. One can move to America from, say, Japan and *become* American. We do have arabs living here who don’t want to assimilate, but they can if they choose to do so. In Europe, an arab from Yemen will always be Yemeni, and will never be Norwegian, Dutch, Irish or anything else other than a dark skinned immigrant living in a muslim ghetto. Europeans think America is a racist country. But anybody can come here from anywhere, assimilate and make it. In Europe, you’re either European or you’re not, and if you’re not, well then you’ll always be second class.

Suggested reading for Hotair … um … Airheads? “While Europe Slept” by Bruce Bower. An American liberal moves to the socialist paradise of Europe and has a conservative awakening.

Tony737 on October 6, 2006 at 10:25 AM

Tony737, there is much truth to what you say. I read something recently about a German-Turk who said that in Germany, they say and think things like “he is a Syrian who has a German passport.” Meaning that even after being born and raised there for several generations, yes, there was a sense that they were not really Germans.

And I think that could be fairly applied to most European countries.

But isn’t France an exception to that? I think they have put a lot of effort into trying to say that an Arab who is born and raised in France is a Frenchman, not an Arab-Frenchman.

Yeah, I know the suburban zones where all the Arab-Muslims are living are pretty much segregated from the rest of French society, and they aren’t perfect, but of all the countries in Europe, I think France is the one that has tried to integrate others ethnicities the most.

Behind England, France had the most overseas colonies and exposure to foreign cultures. For example, Vietnam/Indo-China.

Anyway, I’m not trying to go on a “I love France” tirade and try to convince everyone how great they are. I’m just commenting on how many problems in integration there are in Europe. It may be a function of the size of the Muslim population in France vs the U.S. Here, the Muslim population is what? One or two percent? In France it is what? Ten to twelve percent?

EFG on October 6, 2006 at 10:48 AM