Source of Foley e-mails identified? Update: dKosopedia entry on Gerry Studds mysteriously changes!
posted at 5:12 pm on October 2, 2006 by Allahpundit
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Maybe. Maybe. Keep scrolling until you reach Update II.
Gateway Pundit has good stuff on this too, particularly the 2004 article from the Washington Blade that he dug up. It’s a small world after all.
Update: The boss thinks this whole line of inquiry is foolish:
At this point, I think the GOP is making a mistake banging the drum so hard over the apparent far left/MSM orchestration of the story. However long the other side sat on the e-mails and IMs, the fact is that Mark Foley–and Mark Foley–alone is responsible for giving his enemies something to spring upon his campaign in the first place.
Sure, but what about a parent who sits by and does nothing while the other parent abuses their children? That’s what’s got the left in a frenzy — not the one rogue pervert congressman but the possibility that Hastert and company knew about it and let it happen. Whether they did or didn’t doesn’t absolve Foley of responsibility, but it would say a lot about where their own priorities lie.
So why doesn’t it cut both ways? Conceded: Foley’s a filthy child predator. Who knew and let him go on being one?
Update: Mary K notes (scroll down) that Mike Rogers, the guy identified in Mac Ranger’s post, was the third person to comment on the StopSexPredators site after the Foley e-mails were posted.
Update: Why is dKos less gay friendly than they were yesterday?
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I don’t get it. How will the Dems be just as bad off as the Repubs? Foley was a dirtbag, plain and simple.
JasonG on October 2, 2006 at 5:25 PM
The way I interpret this JasonG is that someone knew he was a prime dirtbag,and then sat on the info.The possibility is that it was Dem operative who gave an edited version to the Republicans and then held onto the damning info so that they could release it for maximun injury.Plus they could tack on that the Republicans knew and did nothing.
bbz123 on October 2, 2006 at 5:50 PM
Turning a blind eye to a possible criminal act is the way a coward acts, and if this was ignored until it would have the most devastating political effect then it shows that liberals don’t care if kids might get hurt.
DannoJyd on October 2, 2006 at 5:50 PM
I don’t like to take issue with Michelle, but I believe it is relevant to look at the precent of an issue, and there is certainly a lot of that in this case.
I don’t think anyone is trying to provide cover for the actions of Mark Foley, and comparing how conservatives treat such instances with the history of liberals in like situations is certainly fair, as well as informative.
DannoJyd on October 2, 2006 at 6:03 PM
because liberal democrats are
1)terrorist supporters
2)the “Cut & Run/Surrender/Raise The White Flag/pro amnesty” Party
3)open border supporters
4)loyal to Osama Bin Laden than the U.S.
5)Pro Gay supporters
that’s why Democrats are far worse than the Republicans.
Starblazer on October 2, 2006 at 6:13 PM
Yeah, I think you are right on this one, as much as I would like to agree with Michelle. Nobody is absolving Foley of anything. But if there were others that knew what Foley was doing and did nothing, then they are guilty of enabling him, especially when they are doing it to foment and time a political scandal.
So to summarize:
- Being a predator who sexually preys on minors: Bad, really bad.
- Allowing said predator to continue preying on minors, for any reason: Every bit as bad.
As the old saying goes, the only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
thirteen28 on October 2, 2006 at 6:31 PM
Just to add a question to my previous post, if a party knows someone is engaging in the acts that Foley is accused of and do nothing or even hide the fact, doesn’t that make them an accessory to the crime?
thirteen28 on October 2, 2006 at 6:48 PM
The charge that people knew and did nothing is just as damaging to the donks as to us. It highlights the outing as a political act, and in two weeks time this will all have gone away. A pervy congressman trying to get into a young boy’s pants – I predict America is not as surprised or even bothered by this as the siren voices on the left.
Martin on October 2, 2006 at 7:32 PM
Michelle is right, and Foley is scum, but I’m tired of having the accountability gun only zap Republicans. I want Democrats in general to be held to the same damn standards Republicans are.
When our guys are dirty, they’ve gotta go. But to let the libs slide on thier crap is also wrong. Foley was made to resign, as he should, but how come ibs don’t have to resign when they break the law?
See the problem I have is that whoever had this information held onto it knowingly for political advantage. Young people were put in jeopardy for political advantage. That’s why this person(s) has to be found out.
For the libs to not demand this person come forward, and condemn this win-at-all-costs mind set condemns them all.
Iblis on October 2, 2006 at 7:40 PM
The left is all acting like this is some horrendously awful, unspeakable monstrousity of an act EVARRR! Not only that, but the entire GOP AND everyone that supports them, or any right-wing ideology, is equally guilty of the crime.
Oh wait. As icky and immoral as it may have been, there was no crime. The page was at least 16, the age of consent in DC, and it did not appear that he was resisting the advances too strenuously, from what I read.
This is NOT, by any means, meant to excuse Foley’s actions (alleged), but to put it into perspective. Foley is right to resign, Congress would be correct to censure him, Hastert is very justified in demanding a full investigation. But the calls to throw every one of them out of office, to draw and quarter Foley and keel-haul Hastert are just a wee bit over the top.
*takes a deep breath, hits the Submit button and runs for cover*
LissaKay on October 2, 2006 at 7:58 PM
Just blame from the left and Nov. 7 tactics…
Entelechy on October 2, 2006 at 8:50 PM
Hypocrisy, Democrat Style
We have a Republican man in Congress who sent e-mails to teenage boys asking them what they were wearing, and an entire party, the Democrats, whose primary constituency, besides the teachers’ unions, is homosexual men and lesbian women. I hope it won’t come as a surprise to anyone that a big part of male homosexual behavior is interest in young boys. (Take a look at anyone renting Endless Summer next time you are at the video store.)
Entelechy, I left a message at the site you linked for us. I think the chances of that ever being seen in public are about as good as Cigarman divorcing Shrillary. ;o)
DannoJyd on October 2, 2006 at 9:07 PM
If everybody in Washington, knew Foley was a scum, Then Democrats are equally quilty of allowing him to continue to prey upon the pages.
We need to continue to look at who knew what, and when did they know, and what did they do with the information.
Marvin on October 2, 2006 at 9:14 PM
I’m getting rid of my spell checker for messing up my spelling of precedent.
DannoJyd on October 2, 2006 at 9:46 PM
Don’t think you need to run for cover Lissa.
Barring further revelations, I mostly agree with you.
I get where Michelle and etc. are coming from and they have a point… But since this thing IS being played for maximum political advantage by the DNC and their captive media surrogates, I believe it is the duty of all conservatives to fight back, point out the inconsistencies and manipulations.
Yeah, Anyone trying to cover up for Foley needs to go, Especially if the more lurid IM’s are actually true. (the provenance of those is quite suspect from what I have heard); If Hastert or anyone knew about anything beyond the sort of creepy but innocous e-mails or if they knew of any actual acts of pedophelia, then darn right, kick them out and lock them up.
It does irritate and depress me that preditorial sexual behavior is a resume enhancer among Dems as long as it is a Dem doing it, yet when a Republican does it, the entire conservative population is declared guilty of a heinous crime…. Even though when ‘Our Guys’ get caught with their hands in the cash register or the little boy’s pants, WE kick them out of office and call for their punishment faster and louder than the dems would, were it not for their pressing for political advantage.
At least Foley didn’t wag his finger in our faces and tell us “I did not (want) to have sex with that intern.” and argue about what the meaning of IS is, while all the rest of the GOP says “get over it, after all, it is only all about sex”.
And if a Dem knew about any illegal behavior earlier (and it sort of appears that they did), but waited until they could get maximum political effect out of it, they are just as guilty as any other co-conspirator, and WE can’t allow themn to get away with it. The stakes for the average American are actually higher for this then they were for Adnan Haj’s fauxtography, Can we justify less scrutiny of the minor details if the Dems can use this to unfairly manipulate voters for an imminent election???
Unless something more gets out (and I wouldn’t be surprised if it did) that Foley actually engaged in sexual acts with children or subordinates he is only guilty of being creepy, and maybe, just maybe, sexual harassment. Yes, he needs to be gone from his position of power, but there are plenty of examples of people in congress who HAVE actually DONE worse than what we KNOW that Foley has done.
I don’t think that any of us here are trying to excuse Foley, but we can’t afford to just roll over and let the lefties use this for any extra political advantage above what is based on absolute facts.
LegendHasIt on October 2, 2006 at 10:08 PM
First off, there is no way in hell that I am trying to give Foley a ‘get out of jail free card’. But I have been reading many stories about this subject from many sources (left and right) and something just isn’t right (no pun intended). There are so many things that bother me about this story. Yes, he is a perv and needs quite a but more than help. But first off, if you read the IM conversations, it sounds like the page was a willing participant. He was 16, ok. I don’t know about you, but at 16, if I was getting hit on by any guy, I would shut it down quick (yes it happened – ex raver here). Of course there is the argument of ‘POWER’ that he had over these people (or person). I don’t get that from what I read. Go to Brian Ross’ page to read 9 pages of the IM comminications.Also, the timing is just perfect. I wonder how long Carville and friends have held on to this information? I am sure that they didn’t tell Dean about any of this…he can’t keep his mouth shut. I believe this is part of their massive mudslinging campaign (we were warned). And the usual participants in the MSM are making the best of this (Hastert’s head from the Washington Times). I do believe he is guilty, I do believe that there is more to this story than we know, and I believe that the press warriors for the left are going to, as always, tell only half the truth. If anyone had any info on this (from Hasert down), they are just as guilty. From what I have gatgered so far, this is, in the end, very dirty politics.
lsutiger on October 3, 2006 at 4:39 AM
Am I missing something?
Until last Friday no one knew about the overtly sexual “instant messages”. The only thing that was know was the overly friendly “emails”. As a father I steer my children away from overly friendly adults but I have no grounds to have those adults charged, arrested, or thrown out of their jobs because I suspect they are overly friendly! It was not until last Friday that the person or persons that were sitting on the IM’s released them. Only then was there enough information to determine that this guy is a dangerous creep. For more info check out
Priest on October 3, 2006 at 12:09 PM
Darn the link did not take let me try to get the link to Michael Graham on The Natural Truth Blogspot
Priest on October 3, 2006 at 12:11 PM
OK I give up! Allah if you have it in you to attach the info it is relevant.
The Natural Truth About A Dirtbag Congressman
Priest on October 3, 2006 at 12:13 PM
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