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Musharraf threatens “ungrateful” West

posted at 7:10 pm on October 1, 2006 by Allahpundit
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It might be time for another “tough love” phone call from Richard Armitage.

In an interview with BBC radio, Musharraf was asked for his response to the view that Pakistan was not a good ally in the fight against global extremism because of the links between terrorism and his country.

“You will be brought down to your knees if Pakistan doesn’t co-operate with you. That is all that I would like to say. Pakistan is the main ally. If we were not with you, you would not manage anything. Let that be clear,” he said.

“And if the ISI (Inter Services Intelligence) is not with you, you will fail. Let that be very clear also. Remember my words: if the ISI is not with you and Pakistan is not with you will lose in Afghanistan.”

He also told the Times of London he knows Osama’s in the Kunar province of Afghanistan. “It’s not a hunch,” he insists. ISI told him.

The same ISI that was accused yesterday by India of having masterminded the Mumbai train bombings.

In other news, looks like it’ll be my turn soon to be profiled at the airport. I guess they don’t make degenerate mafia parasites like they used to.

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“If the ISI is not with you, you will be brought to your knees. You are also late with your protection payment.”

Bellicose Muse on October 1, 2006 at 7:14 PM

Musharraf would do well to remember that if it gets ‘that bad’ there’s always the easy button.
On your left folks coming into view now is lake Kunar followed by Musharraf flats.

Speakup on October 1, 2006 at 8:27 PM

“Musharraf would do well to remember that if it gets ‘that bad’ there’s always the easy button.”

America would do well to remember that if Musharraf dies, we have two Irans to deal with.

Kevin M on October 1, 2006 at 8:55 PM

Dawood Ibrahim. Look him up. The Pakis aren’t our friends.

The Apologist on October 1, 2006 at 9:15 PM

“If Pakistan is not with you …”

Let me interrupt you there sir. If Pakistan is not with us, then Pakistan is against us and therefore Pakistan is “next”. Now, you were saying?

Tony737 on October 1, 2006 at 9:16 PM

He’s also Hamid Mir’s source on those latest stories. How’d he manage that interview?

The Apologist on October 1, 2006 at 9:16 PM

While I really appreciate the very dangerous balancing act that Musharraf has to tread continuously not only to retain power, but to stay alive in a country where 85% of the population would be glad to see America destroyed.

And I’m glad he is sorta willing to sorta help…. But does he really think that he is irreplacable?

LegendHasIt on October 1, 2006 at 9:45 PM

Tony737, you’re a riot and absolutely on point!

Entelechy on October 1, 2006 at 9:46 PM

“America would do well to remember that if Musharraf dies, we have two Irans to deal with.”

IF it gets ‘THAT BAD’, there’s more than one easy button.

Speakup on October 1, 2006 at 10:03 PM

If he knows where USAMA is, then why hasn’t he gotten him. Oh, nevermind.

SouthernGent on October 1, 2006 at 11:15 PM

If he knows where USAMA is, then why hasn’t he gotten him. Oh, nevermind.

Because he claims he’s in Afghanistan, whose leader claims he’s in Pakistan.

If Mushy decides to go rogue on us our best bet would be to no longer try and smooth over hostilities between Pakistan and India. Some whispering in the right ears and a good stirring of the pot and they end up trading nukes while we whistle and walk away.

Bellicose Muse on October 1, 2006 at 11:41 PM

It seems so easy to fall back on the concept of the “easy button”, of the annihilation of a nation percieved to be an enemy – but this is fantasy. The biggest weakness that we have is our own Chamberlain Left – who do have the power at this time to stop such aggressive action no matter how warranted it may seem to those with common sense.

In my opinion Musharraf, while not completly cooperating, has been about as a good ally as one could hope for in Pakistan. He is helping the United States who is considered the enemy by the majority of Muslims in that country. It is my understanding that at least 2 assination attempts have been made on his life because of his support for the war on terrorism and the United States.

We must revisit the notion of what constitutes a “moderate” Muslim – because I think they are very rare. Pakistan is filled with “inactive” or “dormant” Muslims who have much in common with the active Islamofacist obsessed with the destruction of Israel and the United States. Musharraf has contributed to at least some form of rational thought in a nation where the Islamofacist could easily take complete control.

omegaram on October 2, 2006 at 1:14 AM

But does he really think that he is irreplacable?

Having watched Musharraf speak in English with interviewers and in press conferences, my read is quite different.

Musharraf is saying that he could be replaced. And not by someone who’d make the effort to cooperate with the Coalition.

He speaks the truth to the extent that he operates in a more dangerous political landscape than we can imagine in our own mild land. He is on the frontlines, literally, even as he sits in his presidential office in Islmadad. Consider that his country shares a 1000km border with Iran (as well as complicated boundaries in the Arabian Sea), 2500km border with Afghanistan (which in the south includes a vast tri-country area with Iran), a mountainous and porous 500km border with China (and a nearby border with Tajikistan which itself shares a 1200km border with northern Afghanistan), as well as the famously militarized and politically unstable frontier with India.

One cannot fault the Pakistan President for impressing upon an Western audience the centrality of his country, and his government, and his control of that government’s various tentacles (official and unofficial).

Pakistan is an Islamic Republic. Almost all of its population is Muslim, although it is also an increasingly secularized and modernized population despite the reactionary politics of the major oppositon parties. The ultra extremists we are familair with via the pictures and the video of raucus street demonstrations.

Musharraf will see more of that stuff than we ever will here. He faces an legislative election campaign in 2007 in which his party may get shellacked, if things do not go well for the Taliban supporters along his western frontier.

Musharraf knows about military coups, as well, and he knows how to be as ruthless as the next ambitious up-and-comer. Note that he did make a distinction between Pakistan as an ally and the ISI as an ally.

In his brittle way he has pointed out that he, Musharraf, has done as much as can be expected, for now, and that as President he does not control all that happens within his country, or within his own government. Pakistan has democratic features but parts of the country are far more free-ranging than the Old West of American history.

So, yes, Pakistan is central and is the main ally that America has in the Afghanistan theatre. And, yes, if both the Pakistan government (and its military) AND the ISI are aligned against the Coalition, our cause there will be deeply undermined. There would be no neutrality. Today Musharraf is neutral-but-leaning-toward-the-West. If he goes, and he would be replaced by another regime that would probably not bother about the appearance of neutrality as far as the Taliban is concerned.

What he is trying to do is please too many factions and too many allies and too many internal forces. It is really quite remarkable that he has remained standing — with large scale support in the past referendum that extended his presidency by 5 years. This is owed as much to his being the least worst alternative in domestic politics as it is owed to his personal political base and its reach into various segments of Pakistan society. He rules from above, barely, and he governs via a matrix of thin pathways between the seemingly irreconciable factions across Pakistan. He is there, for now, because these factions prefer him to the alternatives.

In sum, he is pointing out that we, the Coaliton, have our eggs in one basket. And without being too explicit, although he’d probably like to state the obvious in unkind terms, his country is a basketcase, politically.

I read much frustration in his various interviews and press conferences. Too much is expected of him and he thinks we are nuts to keep pressing him for yet more.

He may be wrong. He might be able to do more. For now he is focussed on trying to disentengle large militias from al-Qaeda’s influence. If can weaken those ties, even stop them from growing further, he will have helped far more than many of his Western critiques might understand, today. On the other hand, we probably do need him to do more — given the crazy politics in our own country and the numbskill impatience that demands exit strategies and instant results.

Musharraf faces a more raw and violent political struggle in his country, but I think as supporters of the GWOT, most of us can at least empathize with Musharraf vis-a-vis our own exaberated experience with the Blame-America-First nutters and the Withdraw-Redeploy obstructionists in our own little piece of heaven on earth.

F. Rottles on October 2, 2006 at 2:00 AM

It seems worthwhile to mention — often — the connection between HizbAllah and MS13. Particularly along the border, but also along the corridor to DC and in VA and MD.

Gang, mob, mafia, whatever; birds of a feather…

Claire on October 2, 2006 at 12:15 PM

This strikes me as a classic case of the devil you know. The reality is we aren’t exactly rife with allies in that part of the world.

I wouldn’t put much stock in any of his public statements. He has to play to his countrymen, most of whom are at best, uncomfortable with the US alliance.

honora on October 2, 2006 at 12:55 PM

There has been a change in Wikpedia history of Musharraf. Recently I read he was a member of the Qadyani sect of Islam. The Yahoo search tag for ‘Pervez Musharraf’ reads:

The Institutions of his own Qadyani sect were exempt from these news laws due to

However, the Wikpedia article does not reference this sect.

Researching this sect, I read that it was illegal to call yourself a muslim in Pakistan if you belonged to that sect. After Musharraf took power, it said the status of this sect improved, but it was still a crime to proselytize.

However a different Wikpedia article on Musharraf

. The first under ‘Perez Musharraf’ notes he was born in India into a muslim sect

Musharraf on the web. This time I found different information (?!)

The other day, I thought it was Wikpedia

Answer.com says Musharraf’s original promotions in the military came because he followed the hard line Deobandi sect of Islam, which is supposedly the sect followed by the Taliban.

entagor on October 2, 2006 at 1:07 PM

I am sorry, this was submitted when a bunch of stuff copied wrong. What a mess. SOrry again

entagor on October 2, 2006 at 1:08 PM

Thanks Entelechy!

Mushy HAS to play both sides, his life depends on it. He knows that if the wacko muslims take him out and take over the country, the U.S. will destroy Pakistan’s nuclear weapons before they can be used by aforementioned wacko muslims. Walkin’ a tight rope he is.

Tony737 on October 2, 2006 at 8:54 PM

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