Allen N-word accuser a longtime patron of … Daily Kos; Update: Dead heat
posted at 8:39 pm on September 29, 2006 by Allahpundit
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Remember how there were initially three accusers who spoke to Salon? One was Dr. Ken Shelton, the other two were anonymous. One of them came forward today. And guess what.
Days before being contacted by Salon, Sabornie said he had sent an unsolicited e-mail to Markos Moulitsas Zuniga, a prominent liberal blogger at DailyKos.com, describing his memories of Allen’s racist behavior. Sabornie said he also has posted on the DailyKos site as a reader in 2004, criticizing the performance of President Bush.
Bob Owens of Confederate Yankee also notes this passage from WaPo’s latest on N-wordgate:
Patricia Waring, who described herself as the wife of Allen’s rugby coach in 1978 and 1979, said she overheard Allen repeatedly using the epithet during a match in 1978. She said she confronted Allen at the time, urging him not to use that word.
“I heard to my left, the N-word, and I heard it again, and I looked around and heard it again,” she said. “And there was this fellow sitting on the ground. He was putting on red rugby shoes — it is seared in my brain, believe me. And he was kind of showing off, I guess, but he was telling a story and . . . in the story was a lot of N-words.”
Seared, seared into her memory!
Eh. I still think he’s probably guilty, but this is all sketchy enough that I’ll be a good boy and link Jon Henke’s bullet-point comparison of Allen and Webb on the issues. It’s much more persuasive than John Hawkins’s attempted takedown of Webb, which is understandable from a revenge standpoint but goofy in terms of the comparison it draws.
Allen’s being interviewed on Hannity & Colmes tonight at 9. KP told me today she’ll be on afterwards for “analysis,” so maybe we’ll have video of that. She also asked me for prep help — specifically, to explain to her why conservatives seem not to be bothered by his affection for the confederate flag, which, after all, was the official state symbol of a racist, slaveholding regime. I did my best to respond but told her I’m not the best guy to ask for a vigorous defense of Senator Macaca. She also wanted to know why conservatives think it’s okay to fly the the flag of the confederacy or any other foreign state except Mexico.
I told her I’d be sure to put that headscratcher to the boss.
Update: Uh oh. Survey USA has Allen by six, though.
Update: I’d be remiss if I didn’t mention this, plucked by Captain Ed from yesterday’s WaPo. Allen hasn’t been accused of anything so repulsive:
Cragg, 67, who lives in Fairfax County, said on Wednesday that Webb described taking drives through the black neighborhood of Watts, where he and members of his ROTC unit used racial epithets and pointed fake guns at blacks to scare them.
“They would hop into their cars, and would go down to Watts with these buddies of his,” Cragg said Webb told him. “They would take the rifles down there. They would call then [epithets], point the rifles at them, pull the triggers and then drive off laughing. One night, some guys caught them and beat . . . them. And that was the end of that.”
Update: Nothing too interesting in the H&C interview, which wasn’t an H&C interview at all but an H interview. Colmes wasn’t included in the segment. Weak.
Gratuitous KP Dem-bashing video! I figure if I cut and post enough of these, the nutroots will chase her out of the party.
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Huh? Since when do conservatives think it’s okay to fly the flag of any foreign state? Or is she talking in that ridiculous St. Patrick’s Day sense–like there’s no difference between our relationship to Irleand/Italy/etc and Mexico? If so, I think you can handle that one, Allah.
Alex K on September 29, 2006 at 9:19 PM
I can handle it. I just thought you guys would enjoy it.
There’s obviously much work to be done before she joins us on the dark side.
Allahpundit on September 29, 2006 at 9:21 PM
American Pygmalian, that’s you.
Alex K on September 29, 2006 at 9:25 PM
…er, Pygmalion. Eh, Henry Higgins, screw it.
Alex K on September 29, 2006 at 9:26 PM
Who are these conservatives, and what other foreign flags are they flying? Perhaps that slow boat to the center right is slower than we thought.
Kid from Brooklyn on September 29, 2006 at 9:27 PM
Just got my invite. Thanks AP.
Why is KP so comfy in the party of Bull Connor?
He was big a century after the Civil War.
Stephen M on September 29, 2006 at 9:31 PM
E.g., the Israeli flag being brandished by protesters outside the UN last week.
Allahpundit on September 29, 2006 at 9:31 PM
There’s obviously much work to be done before she joins us on the dark side.
Yes. Never underestimate the power of the dark side.
tommy1 on September 29, 2006 at 10:15 PM
I’d be amenable to merging the Israeli and U.S. labor markets, as we’re currently doing with Mexico–the skilled labor classes would get a taste of what they’ve been inflicting on the low-skilled all this time.
Alex K on September 29, 2006 at 10:16 PM
Wow, this can really come back to bite you! I’m going to come clean. One time, while reading in front of English class, I said “N-word Jim”.
Kevin M on September 29, 2006 at 10:21 PM
Hey, I call people “n-word”s all the time–it’s okay as long as you actually say “n-word.” Never had a complaint.
Alex K on September 29, 2006 at 10:26 PM
I almost said it once, but I didn’t exhale.
B Moe on September 29, 2006 at 10:28 PM
Heheh. It depends on what the meaning of the word “n-word” is.
Alex K on September 29, 2006 at 10:30 PM
Well, I can answer the question of the flag of the confederacy. Heck, I went to Ole Miss when we flew it proudly. This was the thing. It never entered my mind or anyone I knew, including many black friends, that the flag was racist in any way. We didn’t even think of the history of it to be honest. We just looked at it as a sense of southern pride and the thing you waved at the football games. It wasn’t until a few years later that we were all informed at how racist we were to wave the flag.
Now, I am not a fan of the flag because it has been used by rednecks as a sort of racist pride thing instead of just a southern pride thing. At the time in college, I never thought of it. But now, I see the problem. Was I brainwashed? I don’t know. But when I see it in the back of trucks when I am home in Mississippi, I tend to think they may not be exactly comfortable at a NAACP meeting.
Rightwingsparkle on September 29, 2006 at 10:38 PM
As in, people wave the Israeli flag to beg the UN to support Israel’s right to exist? Whereas, people hoist the Mexican flag up US gov’t institutional flagpoles to *replace* the U.S. one? Yeah, no big honkin’ difference there, KP.
Anwyn on September 29, 2006 at 10:43 PM
Can we replace Colmes with Powers?
NRA4Freedom on September 29, 2006 at 10:53 PM
C’mon. There isn’t anyone that was raised in the south that hasn’t had the N-word pass through his lips while driving around black neighborhoods and pretending to shoot black people.
DaveS on September 29, 2006 at 10:55 PM
Or at least with someone whose eyes are the proper distance apart from each other?
Watcher on September 29, 2006 at 11:13 PM
Haha, you love dropping that in there every couple days now don’t ya? AP and his little email girlfriend. You crazy kids!
RightWinged on September 29, 2006 at 11:13 PM
Heh. I really do.
Allahpundit on September 29, 2006 at 11:14 PM
Okay, I’m from Vermont, but spent the last 5 years in Nashville and in my cirlce of friends were many black people and Confederate Flag flying fellas from AL, OK, and GA, etc. etc. The symbol to many of them isn’t like having a KKK name badge saying “look I’m a racist”, it’s more of a heritage/history kind of thing… a sort of “Southern Pride”. But it’s certainly NOT a conservative thing… most of the guys I knew didn’t know or care about politics at all. Any that I actually ever had a discussion with about the flag were irritated at the “racist” tag that goes with it, because they don’t think it belongs there.
As for the Israeli flag, please tell me you’re kidding AP (or KP if you’re repeating an example of hers). The Israeli flags aren’t brought out to protest massing law breaking by tens of millions of illegals demanding undeserved rights and claiming ownership of American land in the name of Mexico. Need I go on about how the Mexican flag is used?
The Israeli flag was used to counter-protest terror/Hezbo supporters protesting, and to show solidarity with Israel and let them know that there are people who support their existence. I would also say that the Denmark flag was flown for some of the same reasons.
But like others here I have to ask – what other flags? Who’s flying other flags and in what context? After someone’s favorite team one a World Cup soccer game? Or those tiny bumper stickers of the flags of european countries, usually representing the car owner’s heritage?
Back to the drawing board KP, I thought you were smarter than this. You’ve just presented strawmen and shown a lack of critical thinking, specifically the ability to see the different contexts of the Mex flag and the Israeli flag usages.
RightWinged on September 29, 2006 at 11:25 PM
whoops
RightWinged on September 29, 2006 at 11:27 PM
You know they are lying when they feel the need to tell you which direction a 25 year old N-word came from.
Perchant on September 29, 2006 at 11:29 PM
Gratuitous use of the n-word, if you can handle it (NSFW). Don’t worry, it’s a black guy saying it so you can feel free to laugh along. In case that description turns you off, and you haven’t see it, let me assure it’s all about mocking white supremacists, and probably one of the funniest things you’ll ever see.
RightWinged on September 29, 2006 at 11:46 PM
Instead of dipping her big toe in the pool of conservatives, Kirsten’s now putting her left foot in. Appendage by appendage I suppose!
SouthernGent on September 30, 2006 at 12:05 AM
KP needs to recognize that Old Glory also was the official state symbol of a racist, slaveholding regime.
Until it wasn’t.
Bygones.
Stephen M on September 30, 2006 at 12:07 AM
i actually have a little more respect for Kristen. hopefully she does come to her senses & join the Republican party.
Starblazer on September 30, 2006 at 12:29 AM
Oh, and to add my lenghty rant above, I forgot to ask KP if she thinks George Washington, etc. should be removed from our money because they were slave holders. I’d geniuinely be interested in hearing her reply, because I don’t think she can come up with one where she logically defends the money yet condemns the confederate flag.
RightWinged on September 30, 2006 at 12:33 AM
Dear Senator Allen,
Allow me to apologize, sir. Clearly were these true allegations being lodged against you, the LAST PLACE ON EARTH your detractors would go, would be the Daily KOS. I also neglected to consider the heinous lies that were told about me once in my own private life, sir. I am ashamed that I let the rumor mongers get the best of me, I am sorry that I rushed to judgement, sir. For that brief and tarnished moment, I forgot who these craven curs are, please understand that it won’t happen again.
Sincerely, Soothsayer.
Soothsayer on September 30, 2006 at 2:29 AM
The Power of Allahpundit Compels Her.
wordwarp on September 30, 2006 at 3:37 AM
First things first …The U.S. government didn’t repeal the Fugitive Slave Act until 1864 …three years after the Civil War began. So can we all just please dispense with the divisionist tactics? Northern citizens weren’t exactly embracing runaway slaves with open arms …quite the contrary. Northerner’s reaped the benefits of slavery while pretending to abhor it. Today, we refer to them as Liberal Democrats. The Southern “cause” was indeed inherently immoral but Northern interests weren’t exactly insistent on abolishing slavery …at least not at the onset of the war. In the beginning, secession was the going concern.
Now …on to the flag itself.
Should the Confederate Battle Flag …a flag under which Americans (right or wrong) marched and fought, be flown above government buildings?
Absolutely no.
Should a private citizen be allowed to fly or display the Confederate Battle Flag without immediately being branded a racist?
Absolutely yes.
Americans also marched, fought and held watch under the Stars and Stripes during Wounded Knee, Trail of Tears and the internment of Japanese Americans — why aren’t people equally “bothered” by that?
So should we just cave-in to political correctness and begin censoring out the more unpleasant remnants of our nation’s history? I mean, if it was good enough for Stalin…
And how anyone can compare the Battle Flag to the Mexican or Israeli flag is beyond me. The difference here is in the word American …for good or bad.
The Confederate Battle Flag is an American Civil War artifact …nothing more …nothing less. People have been projecting their own definitions upon it for decades. I despise the way in which it’s been politicized to near extinction. It’s gotten so bad that Civil War museums have actually been asked to “tone down” depictions of the Southern cause in their displays. Again, political correctness at work.
Personally, I think folks who display the Battle Flag are no different than those who display other historical relics. To each his/her own – who are we to judge?
And last time I checked, there wasn’t anything in the Bill of Rights about the right of the people not to be offended by a piece of cloth …or anything else for that matter.
In closing my little rant here, I give you this quote…
Southerners are very strange about that war.
–Shelby Foote
…and leave it at that ; )
The Ugly American on September 30, 2006 at 3:57 AM
Exactly.
As they say …History is written by the victors.
The Ugly American on September 30, 2006 at 4:18 AM
So, you’re getting to know KP through Hot Air, huh? That’s cool. But I want to know what your strategy for meeting Elisha Cuthbert is. Don’t tell me you’re not working on that.
Sean M. on September 30, 2006 at 6:55 AM
The last time he spoke to Cuthbert he was telling “it” to put the lotion in the basket.
coondawg on September 30, 2006 at 7:29 AM
Was KP trying to insinuate that the confederate flag is similar to foreign flags?
Capitalist Infidel on September 30, 2006 at 8:24 AM
We can’t say nookie?
Pablo on September 30, 2006 at 8:24 AM
We cant say NOOKIE !?!?!? Now I’m pissed. ( can I say that, pissed?)
My very good friend uses the n-word lots, but he ends it ‘ah’ not ‘er’ ….oh, he’s black.
Now back to Nookie, gotta have some nookie, especially on the weekend. Are you sure Nookie is ‘out’? This could really mess up my plans.
AP, you better ask KP ’bout this ‘nookie’ thing. BIG news, BIG.
shooter on September 30, 2006 at 10:31 AM
Allen may, in the end, be saved by the fact that – even if some of the allegations are true (like his use of language, not the deer’s head incident) – Webb’s behavior may have been even worse. Webb was no altar boy to begin with; but the campaign has brought out a few stunners.
RD on September 30, 2006 at 6:24 PM
What about me?
I said the n-word just before I didn’t say it!
Did you know that I was wounded three times in Vietnam?
Vote for me!
(signed)
John Fraud Kerry
shermacman on October 1, 2006 at 1:19 PM
Here’s the problem with Allen: he claims he can’t remember everything he ever said but the N is certainly not part of who he is. Translation: I’ll cover my ass in case anything comes out that isn’t just someone’s word against mine–tape, e-amil, whatever. Well that’s a dangerous little game. Better to say, you know I was a bit of an ass at one time (who wasn’t?) and I may have stupidly used this word and I am deeply sorry if I did.
It’s just so weasel–I made up the word macaca (yeah, I’ll take those odds) and I never knew my mother was a Jew. Sadly, his salvation is his opponent is just as big an asshole. Makes you proud to be an American, doesn’t it?
honora on October 2, 2006 at 1:02 PM
So the people flying the Isreali flag outside the UN were demanding we hand the country over to them? I think not. There’s a big difference between flying the Israeli flag outside the U.N. to protest their murderous incompetence and illegals flying the Mexican flag while demanding they be given rights in this country that they have not earned or deserve.
A little context actually helps now and then. Something KP has little grasp on. Leave it to a left wing nut job to compare the incomparable.
And for the record, Allen’s love of the Confederate flag bothers me a great deal… not to mention other garbage that has come out of his mouth just in the last few weeks, forget years. Maybe KP would like to HONESTLY explain the allegations against her buddy Webb?
My questions are: Do the candidates for U.S. Senate in Virginia reflect the voters of that state? I wonder how minorities in that state feel about their choices? Oh let’s see, who should they choose this year?… the big fat racist or the big fat racist.
Cary on October 2, 2006 at 2:16 PM
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