Jihad Watch: Pope Rage

posted at 9:02 am on September 28, 2006 by Bryan

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Nice piece.

Perhaps going forward, the Pope should keep his nose out of making judgements on other’s beliefs, and stick to the condemnation of masturbation, premarital sex, and the rest of the hocus pocus.

GregH on September 28, 2006 at 9:35 AM

Have you bought your comfortable prayer rug, dhimmi greg?

rightside on September 28, 2006 at 9:37 AM

1. The Pope didn’t make a judgement on anyone’s beliefs. Hw quoted an ancient text, and fully noted it as such.

2. You seem to be making judgements on his beliefs, GregH. Hocus pocus, right? Are you always such an insufferable hypocrite?

Robert and Jihad Watch are a great addition, gang! Granted, he’s not quite as easy on the eyes as some other guests have been, but he does lay it right out. Thanks, Robert!

Pablo on September 28, 2006 at 9:53 AM

Perhaps going forward Muslims in Pakistan shouldn’t be so thin-skinned about something the Pope, a man they neither follow nor recognize as a authority, says.

Right, Greg? Or should the world just accept those Muslims’ views on everything, including the words of those belonging to other faiths?

Bryan on September 28, 2006 at 10:05 AM

Perhaps going forward, the Pope should keep his nose out of making judgements on other’s beliefs, and stick to the condemnation of masturbation, premarital sex, and the rest of the hocus pocus.

GregH on September 28, 2006 at 9:35 AM

How do you look at yourself in the mirror each day, GregH?
you are soooooo tolerant.

As for the Vent, Jihad Watch is exactly right – when we submit to Islam, terrorism will end and OBL will have won. THAT is their end-game. And all these examples such as “the Pope must apologize,” “make it against international law to insult Mohammed,” “can’t show a Mozart opera out of fear”, “don’t reprint the cartoons” etc. lead us down a very slippery slope to just that.

GregH, doesn’t that scare you, JUST A LITTLE BIT??????

pullingmyhairout on September 28, 2006 at 10:08 AM

Perhaps going forward, the Pope should keep his nose out of making judgements on other’s beliefs, and stick to the condemnation of masturbation, premarital sex, and the rest of the hocus pocus.

So the Pope should mind his own business, even as you pontificate to the Church what its business is.

Perhaps you should take your own advice.

tommy1 on September 28, 2006 at 10:14 AM

Please have the wisdom to ignore out resident troll who hasn’t thought through a single position and types his screeds with a jerking knee. Put as much Jihad Watch on the Vent as possible. Robert Spencer is brilliant.

Valiant on September 28, 2006 at 10:15 AM

GregH are you a Muslim?

You view these same events and see something very different than the rest of sane humanity. The Pope has drawn a line in the sand on behalf of everone in the world that wishes to be free to choose their own life. That is on behalf of Muslims, Jews, Protestants, Catholics, Bhuddists, Athiests, Gays, Lesbians…everyone. The Popes answer to someone he and therefore the church does not agree with is to have dialog or in the extreme and unfortunate case of a parisioner that pushes the point excomunication. Which simply states sorry you are no longer a member of this faith by your words and actions please go in peace.

The Radical Muslim response is “NO SORRY” “We dictate EVERYTHING, and if you do not like it we will beat you up and KILL YOU and your children and your childrens children.” “We will lie cheat and steal to do it.” “And that is how serious we are about being a religion of peace.”

GregH I will leave you to talk to them first to delay them while I get ready to kill them when they come for us. I won’t miss you like some others here will. I will say good bye now in case I do not get a chance you know how sudden 9/11 came up.

Priest on September 28, 2006 at 10:20 AM

I WILL NOT SUBMIT

But I am afraid dhimmis like GregH will help sell us out.

Thank goodness for people like Robert Spencer and his courage. He puts his face and name out there knowing there are lunatics who would dearly love to see him killed like Theo Van Gogh. As long as we have strong voices like MM, HotAir and Jihad Watch, GregH will be FREE to spout his nonsense.
He wouldnt be able to do that anywhere under Sharia.

labwrs on September 28, 2006 at 10:22 AM

“…and the rest of the hocus pocus.”

As Darth Vader once said, ‘I find your lack of faith disturbing.’

allie on September 28, 2006 at 10:26 AM

So …, how do we turn Spencer’s Vent into a public service announcement and air it on world-wide television?

yo on September 28, 2006 at 10:27 AM

I think you folks are being too rough on GregH. In his own subtle way, he is showing us that the Catholic Church should change its stance on birth control at the very least.

SailorDave on September 28, 2006 at 10:28 AM

Hey, hey, hey! Leave masturbation alone!

Ropera on September 28, 2006 at 10:29 AM

Good Vent, Nice to see Robert Spencer on Vent.

I dont quite agree however the ‘terrorism’ will end if we would only ‘submit’ to Muslim standards because OBL would have ‘won’. It would only be the beginning of the terror. Just look at christians living in Islamic countries such as Egypt, Iran, and Iraq. And isn’t it even worse for people who are not ‘people of the book’ (i.e, not christians or jews)?

Personally I would rather have my children choose which God (or no God) to follow for themselves and not have Islam imposed on them under penalty of death. But that’s just me – I’m a firm belever of freedom of choice and free will.

And isn’t funny how muslims demand (under threat of violence) freedom of speech while at the same time deny the same freedom of speech (again under threat of violence) for their opponents?

CrazyFool on September 28, 2006 at 10:32 AM

I think you folks are being too rough on GregH. In his own subtle way, he is showing us that the Catholic Church should change its stance on birth control at the very least.

SailorDave on September 28, 2006 at 10:28 AM

Heehee…

http://www.progressiveu.org/2005/blog/news-wires/dont-stop-abortion-says-conservative-author-it-cleanses-society-of-future-humanists

speed647 on September 28, 2006 at 10:37 AM

I think you folks are being too rough on GregH. In his own subtle way, he is showing us that the Catholic Church should change its stance on birth control at the very least.

Bob Geldof says it works wonders! It stops AIDS and everything!

Oh, wait. That’s George W. Bush’s right wing nutjob fundie Xtian program. My mistake.

Pablo on September 28, 2006 at 11:20 AM

It isn’t my b’day, or Christmas or even Chanukkah . . .yet here I have this gift of Robert Spencer venting on VENT. Awesome and THANK YOU! Robert Spencer’s style and intellect is a formidable and respectable weapon against the threat presented by islam. Excellent!

Of potential interest to Pablo – yes, the Pope quoted an ancient text yet, according to Dr. Andrew Bostom, the Pope stopped short of revealing a very telling tidbit.

At the end of the 26-round marathon dialogue of seven centuries ago alluded to by Pope Benedict, the Muslim “muderris” (theologian), overwhelmed by continuous glimpses of Christian truth, hovers at the threshold of abandoning Islam and embracing Christianity. The muderris openly marvels at the magnificence of Christ and the Christian teachings, while proclaiming his readiness to journey to Constantinople (the last significant stronghold of the once mighty Byzantine Christian empire), and study with the theologians there. The drama of the dialogue thus concludes with the muderris’ effective inner conversion to Christianity, and his promise to Manuel II to pursue this profound change of heart.

I second ‘yo’s’ idea of presenting Spencer’s vent as a public service announcement.

Sailor Dave – good one!

heroyalwhyness on September 28, 2006 at 11:20 AM

Here’s a youtube link to a three minute video putting the historic details into “Context” regarding the Pope’s controversial speech.

heroyalwhyness on September 28, 2006 at 11:26 AM

that’s why i’m afraid that if the left-wing liberal democrats are going to win the House/ Senate in Nov. & the White House in ’08, then there’s no hope for us & might as well convert to islam, because liberals like GregH will sell us out.

Starblazer on September 28, 2006 at 11:27 AM

I. Will. NEVER. Submit.

techno_barbarian on September 28, 2006 at 11:40 AM

It is all baby steps. We start with one GregH and one Australian province who acquiesce to a group of people who wouldn’t think twice about slitting your throat (or in Sister Leonella’s case to be shot down in the streets) because of some conceived slight on their religion. Baby steps.

Bic on September 28, 2006 at 11:49 AM

Regardless of whether you revere the Pope or not, the manufactured muslim outrage is absurd and should be pointed out as such.

MRegine on September 28, 2006 at 11:58 AM

And still, American’s sleep.

But, we still can look forward to our seditious traitor democrat population joining the war on terrorist Islam eventually, that will happen when Islam starts killing off homosexuals and stops abortion of the innocent unborn. ONLY THEN can we ever hope to see liberal minded democrats take the war we are truly in right now, seriously. As long as Islam just “hates America”, that’s no different than what most liberals obviously do already, so until then, conservatives and christians are still the target in the crosshairs of the liberal left.

NRA4Freedom on September 28, 2006 at 11:59 AM

I say we take back all important Christian sites everywhere in the world. Starting by knocking that dumpster off the top of the mount where Jesus gave us so much advice on love plus the Lords Prayer. Blow the muslim buildings down and reveal the truth. Find (it has been found) mount sinai and prove our Bible is real while the Koran( the recite) is fake and full of hate. They have just threatened our very history again, and have already started burning churches.
Muslims have been hiding and guarding ancient Christian sites and the REAL TRUTH from the rest of the world so their religion of death can try to prove itself. As that does not work, and hasnt for 1400 years they turn to violence and coercion for their numbers…Oh Fuckem.

shooter on September 28, 2006 at 12:06 PM

WOW! Robert Spencer on hotair! Great!

CrimsonFisted on September 28, 2006 at 12:23 PM

Great Vent from Robert Spencer! This is the caliber of interesting, well presented, clear reporting and thinking that Michelle give us. More Please!

The demands from the Muslim will never stop, they will never be appeased, the choices with the Muslim really are one of three conditions for all humans:

1) Muslim
2) Slave
3) Dead

This is not just radical Islam, but these conditions are tenants of their faith that are widely supported. The large majority of Muslim support to some degree the actions of the radical terrorist.

This Muslim insistence on their way of thinking, of the Islamofacist, is a one way street. They demand respect to the nth degree – but refuse to give one iota to others.

The likes of GregH are our biggest weakness in the coming World War – cowards who would rather submit and grovel on their knees and let better men and women stand for the freedom he so easily reliquinshes.

It would be refreshing for the Pope to aggressively respond to such outragous Muslim demands for a counter demand for Crusade. The Muslim would really have something to complain then – as they are under an attack to a degree they don’t even contemplate at the moment. Don’t hold your breath for that to happen, the Pope really is Christian and sets an example of Peace and Wisdom.

omegaram on September 28, 2006 at 12:27 PM

OUTSTANDING!!

Vent kicks, much ass – but it’s awsome to see Hot Air TV branching out like this. Keep up the fantastic work.

venmax on September 28, 2006 at 12:51 PM

Excellent Vent by Robert Spencer. All those elites and people like Greg H will be the first to lose their head for their submission no matter how they think their submission will save them.

Catie96706 on September 28, 2006 at 12:54 PM

manufactured muslim outrage

absolutely em>PERFECT description.

pullingmyhairout on September 28, 2006 at 1:02 PM

Just a simple thank you to Robert for stating so clearly what so few will even say to the masses.

Gooch on September 28, 2006 at 1:58 PM

Appeasement is just another name for “scared to death.”

I admit this growing Muslim threat scares me as a woman, mother and citizen. But the larger question, which these Islofacists understand, is whether we are too soft and comfy and scared in this country, or at the Vatican, to stand up and say what needs to be said and then follow it up with action, paying whatever price is necessary in the process.

It’s coming, folks, and so we had better start getting ready
And appeasement will never, ever get the job done. It will only embolden this mass of children throwing their global temper tantrums until the world gives up in fear and lets them have their collective way. Then civilization as we know it will be over.

I pray we will start summoning the courage now to face what’s ahead. Cause it’s not going away.

Webutante on September 28, 2006 at 2:12 PM

Noted on at least 4-6 threads, of late:

1. AP, Bryan or Ian post the topic.
2. Early on GregH jumps in with a leftie take, except for today, when he tried to morph into a conservative, once or twice, for fun.
3. Numerous counter-takes follow.
4. GregH fights back intensely or retreats altogether and ‘watches’. Like in “Being There” – my favorite movie.
5. Thread is highjacked, often even deviated from topic.

Potential tactic – ignore him.

Entelechy on September 28, 2006 at 3:39 PM

Entelechy

Potential tactic – ignore him.

Excellent idea. Do not feed the troll.

techno_barbarian on September 28, 2006 at 3:49 PM

GOOD VENT!

A few years ago, some Islamo-Nazis took over the Church were Jesus was born, did they not? I think they trashed it a bit, did they not? There were no MUSLIM applogies for that, were there? Was there a Muslim appology for MURDERING that Italian nun while she was praying?

Are there any apologies now for the Islamic classification of Christians, Jews, and whomever else as second class and who have to pay a tax…OR ELSE? No repairing old churches or building of new ones. Islamic controlled speech and thought.

THE CHALLENGE IS HERE AND NOW, MY FELLOW COMMENTORS. THE WEAPONS OF THE ENEMY…PC AND DOUBLE STANDARDS.

The False Dervish on September 28, 2006 at 3:52 PM

BTW- I CONDEMN AND CRITICIZE ALL ISLAMO-TERRORISTS FOR NOT USING TOILET PAPER.

The False Dervish on September 28, 2006 at 3:54 PM

BTW- I CONDEMN AND CRITICIZE ALL ISLAMO-TERRORISTS NAZIS FOR NOT USING TOILET PAPER.

(Sorry…wrong wording)

The False Dervish on September 28, 2006 at 3:55 PM

Webutante has a good point.

What about the consequences to those of us who call ourselves believers in Christ if we continually apologize for muslim’s behavior, or talk about religious ‘tolerance’ (read acceptance)? Or if we tell ourselves ‘they’re really not that bad?’

“I am the way, the truth, and the light. No one comes to the Father but through me.”

What are we if we don’t stand up for our basic principles?

Jezla on September 28, 2006 at 3:58 PM

Great piece. Hope to see more Jihad Watch installments.

CP on September 28, 2006 at 6:48 PM

Excellent vent, clear, concise and well reasoned.

MarkB on September 28, 2006 at 6:52 PM

Great Vent, Thank you Mr. Spencer.

Submit? never.
I have an advantage. Not being a christian I do not turn the other cheek. And I will never see my county become a Dhimmacracy.

Wyrd on September 28, 2006 at 9:08 PM

JIHAD WATCH: Has had both hands chopped off.

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on September 28, 2006 at 9:37 PM

I WILL NEVER SUBMIT EITHER!
Yes Robert, the war can be won and very quickly,
however, other than Dhimmitude, there are other
options. The choices haven’t been made clear yet!

Since the Radical side of Islam has declared war
on civilization with dar al Islam, and dar al harb,
the West must bury it’s polical correctness and threaten to turn Mecca into a thousand year nuclear dump/graveyard. The choice should be their’s.

byteshredder on September 28, 2006 at 11:19 PM

GregH, I have to admit, I am impressed. With one comment, you have become the lightning rod for this whole thread.

What I find interesting about all this ‘insulting Islam’ nonsense is that nobody has any problem at all with insulting Christianity. It is not ‘ok’ to insult Islam, Buddhism, or even that bombastic financial swindle known as Scientology, but Christianity is fair game. Wiccan is to be treated with respect, Native American religions and rituals are sancrosant, but desecrating and defaming Christian imagery and churches is just fine and dandy.

Also, religious ‘competition’ is nothing new. Pointing out what is ‘wrong’ with another religion is, in fact, the ‘business’ of a religious leader. If people in the other religion don’t agree, that is their right. All these people screaming that the Pope should apologize are basically telling him that he is not allowed to be the Pope, that he is not allowed to speak what he believes is the truth.

I, myself, am not Catholic (in fact, I usually consider Catholocism and Christianity to be separate, something that starts many arguments), and I have no problem arguing with people from other religions. I believe it is their right to argue with me as well. But, if what I believe tells me that what they teach is not true, I am going to say so. If they don’t like it, it is still my perogative to speak what I think is true, and their right to disagree.

Christ did not come to the world to force it to believe in Him, but to entreaty it. Mohammed appears to have done the opposite.

my $.02

theholyhermit on September 29, 2006 at 1:06 AM

btw, I forgot to mention –

This was a great segment. I really appreciated what Robert Spencer had to say, and the calm and straightforward manner in which he delivered it. Keep up the good work.

Hot Air rules!

theholyhermit on September 29, 2006 at 1:08 AM

theholyhermit, we’re reading from the same book.
Here’s a thought-athiests do not scare a Muslim.
Bhuddists do not scare a Muslim.
Christians may scare Muslims, but what really scares Muslims is another Muslim finding out he or she doubts Islam. That is what drives terrorism: they are scared to death, acting out, desperate to show each other and the world how fervently they believe in Allah. But in their hearts, they know it’s all a sham, a false religion. That’s why they fear anyone converting away from Islam, becoming Christian such as Abdul Rahman did in Afghanistan. He proved that Allah can be ignored with impunity. Their mosque of cards comes tumbling down.

Doug on September 29, 2006 at 1:54 AM

Potential tactic – ignore him.–Entelechy

In support of Entelechy’s suggestion, I’ll mention one reason people will often attack a troll instead of commenting intelligently on the topic of a blog post: It’s easier. It’s well within their intellectual capacity, and the easy victory feels good.

Kralizec on September 29, 2006 at 2:51 AM