self sacrifice for the greater good? What’s that?

And Mrs. Damon realizes that Osama Bin Laden, who turned Afghanistan into Terror Central -and resulted in her husband being there to suffer a heart attack- isn’t going to listen to her complaints (other than to behead her), so she lashes out at a man who she knows won’t be able to do any more than take it.

We give too much weight to the irrational, lately.

And not enough to following the messy threads back to their source:

-the terror that is woven into the Koran by a “prophet” of intolerance, misogyny, rapine, slavery, slaughter and global “submission” to his dismal vision.

Those who don’t know why we fight will always miss the point.

If her husband had truly opposed the war in Afghanistan, he could have chosen conscientious objector status and done community service instead.

But the irrational can’t conceive of anything but their own emotional agendas.

And we won’t win this Anti-Jihad War without retaining a solid grip on cold logic.

It is willful blindness on the moonbat’s part. It is Queeg solving the theft of the strawberries.

Usually, it’s followed up with the refrain that Iraq wasn’t a threat to America — more willful blindness.

But the fact remains, that Saddam was not only a threat to our national security, as Iran and North Korea are today, but a threat to the entire middle east.

And he was a proven monster who had used WMD on his own people

Greg, get a life and a brain.

That is something that has bothered me. What point does it matter that the majority of 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia?

Were the hijackers financed or supported by the Saudi government? I’ve not read anywhere that they were. Was the Saudi government actively providing support for terrorists? Saddam certainly was.

And lets not forget what Bush said: “….we have made it clear to all nations, if you harbor terrorists, you are just as guilty as the terrorists; you’re an enemy of the United States, and you will be held to account.”

Given Saddam’s active participation in the training and financing of terrorism, I fail to understand why so many don’t see the connection between the War in Iraq and the War on Terrorism. I think Stephen Hayes did a pretty good job putting the pieces of the puzzle together back in November 24, 2003. I’ve yet to see anyone challenge his points.

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DannoJyd thoroughly nuked your arguments. Deal with it.

Its real simple….

Bin Laden & Co. declared war on the US in 1996.

Bin Laden & Co. attacked and killed nearly 3000 civilians on US soil.

National Guard Capt. Patrick Damon volunteered to join the military knowing full well what may be required of him.

National Guard Capt. Patrick Damon died of a heart attack, not by a bullet or a bomb. An honest person recognizes that he could have had a heart attack anywhere at anytime.

Mrs. Damon request that the President of the United States call her. Instead, he meets with her face to face. Instead of giving him any credit, you ignore it.

The War in Iraq had nothing to do with Capt. Patrick Damon’s heart attack. He wasn’t in Iraq. Yet, when someone suggest blaming radical Islamist, you come back with Radical Islamists from Saudia Arabia attacked us on 9-11. Not Iraq.

I’m sorry, but that was a truly stupid response. You only exposed yourself for what you really are.

My heart goes out to Mrs. Damon. My mother lost her father in a war where the enemy never attacked us first directly. The difference my mother doesn’t blame Roosevelt. She blames Hitler.

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Having said that, I agree with Greg H. in as much as the 9/11 terrorists were connected far, far more to Saudi Arabia (our so-called friends) than anywhere else, and had no ties to Iraq that are known. However, we cannot single out particular sects of Islam. Thus, if we’d never invaded Iraq we would still be facing the scorn of Satanic Islam just because we fought back in invading Afghanistan. For that matter, even if we’d done nothing but whimper we’d be the target of their hate. When the civilized world comes to the realization that we are at war with Islam and not some supposed “radical” wing of it (it’s all radical) we will be in a position to actually win. Until then we will be divided over political issues.

This quote is rather interesting, from the article on his passing…

Damon, the son of Ellsworth and Barbara Damon, grew up in Wiscasset and Newcastle. He has a twin sister, Alicia Tenney of Chesterville. He graduated from Hyde School in Bath.

After high school, Damon hitchhiked to Washington, D.C., to enter American University with only enough money to get him through a semester.

Halley met him then and was immediately attracted to his self-confidence and resourcefulness. “It was love at first sight,” she said. “We started dating immediately.”

They married in 1986 while Damon was still a student at American. They worked in Washington for a few years after graduation and then moved back to Maine, where Damon got involved in politics.

He was dedicated to the Military, spending 20 years in the service. But he was also dedicated to keeping in contact with his family and friends.

Damon joined the National Guard in 1986 and had served deployments in Guatemala and Panama, Halley said. In October, he would have completed his 20th year of service and could have retired. He received word in December that he would be deployed in Afghanistan. He left home on Jan. 25 for training and arrived in Afghanistan on April 4.

He corresponded with friends in Maine almost daily. Ted Potter, chief of staff for House Speaker John Richardson, said that his notes were rich with observation about the country and its people.

“I would swear that half the country is under the age of 15 years old, the Taliban killed so many people, especially the Hazaras, descendants of the Mongols,” one message read.

“It’s an odd feeling to know that I have stood on mountains that Ghengis Kahn and his armies rode around in 1169,” read another.

Capt. Damon is someone I would have liked to have met. I think he represented what was good and decent in all people. His loss is a loss for all of us.

I take issue with your condescending stance. So I should be relegated to participating in conversations where all sides agree? Just because my opinion is different from yours does not make me an apologist for the violent actions committed by those terrorists. Your implication to the contrary insults me, and lessens your credibility. So now you are insulting my parents? I didn’t use your dreaded “foul language” anywhere. I have never insulted anybody here, nor would I. But the fact remains that he didn’t die on some obstacle couse at some Army base in the US. He died in Afghanistan, where it appears, this widow didn’t believe he should have been. This lady lost her husband, and the father of her children. I think she is entitled to be angry at whomever she wishes.

Well, well, well, did I say your parents didn’t raise your right? You must hang out on Kos and DU then. Well, I don’t know why he joined then. You know Greggers when I was in the military, I knew that I joined because I wanted to serve and I needed the money to get through Notre Dame. So, if he was in the NG, he must have wanted the extra money, had prior service and wanted to get the retirement. So, if you want to take your line of thinking those who serve and have someone die have only themselves to blame. You know people who have that line of thinking make me wonder. When you sign up, you never know what your destiny is. If you’re family is going to be mad that you died, then perhaps you should not have joined or you should have gotten out of the military. You can’t have it both ways.

GregH, like most moonbats, is fond of using “strawmen” arguments. For them, strawmen arguments substitute for intelligent debate and discourse. It reinforces their misplaced feelings of self righteousness.

Had Afghanistan extraditied bin Laden and his cadre as we demanded after 9/11/01, I doubt we would have invaded Afghanistan.

Afghanistan differs from Germany in two important areas. Germany and the United States are partners in NATO. Germany and the United States have extradition treaties.

In addition, Germany has aggressively prosecuted Al Qaeda and well as broken up their sleeper cells as they find them, while Afghanistan CHOSE to “be with the terrorists.”

“That’s still allowed, isn’t it? Or is this a “my-opinion” only blog?”

That’s a good point Greg, and you might notice that you are being allowed to spread your nonsensical arguments on this site regardless of your personal views.

It’s interesting to note however, that on DU … any post offering the slightest opposing opinion is immediately deleted. Have you not noticed that? It’s the Liberal way and it’s most likely the reason you are all so misguided and uninformed. No opposing views are allowed. I have posted on there many times and not once have I ever written anything offensive, yet my posts are immediately replaced with “post deleted, please read the terms of service.” All that’s left is the obnoxious vulgar responses by the Liberal readers, and somehow THESE comments are left standing, regardless of the “terms of service.”

When a Liberal hears any opposing viewpoint, they have spasms and immediately scream “BIAS!” That’s why they hate Fox News and claim IT’S biased even though Fox News is the ONLY network which routinely has representatives from both sides of the argument. You don’t see that with NBC, CBS, MSNBC, or CNN. Fox News has Alan Colmes, Bob Beckel, and others. You won’t see Sean Hannity on CBS.

As for here at HotAir … we love it when people such as you show up. It’s good humor.

But their links to Germany and Saudia Arabia were also well documented. Why didn’t we apply the same rule of force there?

Because Germany and Saudi Arabia reacted much differently to what happened than Afghanistan’s ruling Taliban. Plus, the head of Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan (at the time), and we gave them a chance to turn him over. They refused, thumbing their noses at us. So we invaded, threw the Taliban into disarray, and began our hunt of Osama. I’m still pissed that 5 years later, we still don’t have that SOB in custody, and now the Taliban seems to be on the upswing. I don’t think invading Saudi Arabia or Germany (again) would have helped bring down Al Qaeda at the time.

the fact remains that he didn’t die on some obstacle couse at some Army base in the US. He died in Afghanistan, where it appears, this widow didn’t believe he should have been. This lady lost her husband, and the father of her children. I think she is entitled to be angry at whomever she wishes.

He believed he was supposed to answer the call to serve, no matter what the mission. I think her anger is more over the fact that he was not home, with his family when he passed away. I think her anger is more about the fact that she was not able to say goodbye. I believe her distaste for the war is getting mixed with her emotions at this time, and it’s being misdirected. Yes, she can blame whomever she wishes, but does that make her right? There’s no question that anyone who loses a loved one, for any reason, feels loss and grief and anger and sadness. I just question whether blaming President Bush is really going to help her or her kids heal and move on.

Good for her. He is responsible.

Ok. Now please explain to me how the President caused Capt. Damon to have a heart attack while in Afganistan. You would have to believe that Bush has diety-like powers to prove such an assumption.

Then you make an assumption when you stated…

Now let’s start discrediting her…

The facts discredit her, and you already knew that, yet you seem to believe that everyone here has an agenda. Well, that isn’t too surprising when that comes from a person who believes that everyone is a liar.

Next you try to change the facts with…

Radical Islamists from Saudia Arabia attacked us on 9-11. Not Iraq.

What does Iraq have to do with the death of this Captain in Afganistan? Not a thing, thus your words have no meaning.

You do not offer a dissenting opinion. You offer up a steamming plate of crap democrat talking points that have no substance, then wish for us to believe it is ambrosia.

You are right. You do lie, but no one here cares to praise you for your short coming. You will get over that by believing your self serving lie that others without your faux viewpoint are wrong and mean spirited, but never forget the word associated with people who believe their own incredulous lies.

But their links to Germany and Saudia Arabia were also well documented. Why didn’t we apply the same rule of force there?

How many terrorist training camps did they have in Germany? How much support were they actually receiving from the German government? Are you unable to make the distinction, or are you just blurring it so that you can lash out?

Point taken. But the fact remains that he didn’t die on some obstacle couse at some Army base in the US. He died in Afghanistan, where it appears, this widow didn’t believe he should have been. This lady lost her husband, and the father of her children. I think she is entitled to be angry at whomever she wishes.

Yes, she can be angry at whomever she wishes. It doesn’t make her right, though.

I was reading some on your site and yes, while you admit to being a “big lib”, I will compliment you on this statement:

I wonder if DailyKos and Salon will report of the deception and chicanery of a Democratic leader if/when one is in office? What will all the “crazy liberals” do when they can no longer blame everything on GW?

That almost sounds like a conservative. Come, join the Dark Side, Luke.

:-)

Then there is this link to Chomsky … he is such a hypocrite.

My sympathies go out to her.

America did not start this war. Iran did in 1979. America did not escalate this war in 1983, Iran did when it blew up the US embassy in Beruit and the Marine barracks. America did not escalte this war in 1993, 1996, 1998 and 2000 when Iran and Al Qaeda attacked the World Trade Center, the Khobar Towers, 2 embassies in Africa, and the USS Cole.

And America did NOT escalate this war when Al Qaeda, living and training in Afghanistan, blew up the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

America finally struck back in Afghanistan. Captain Halley was in Afghanistan because of the actions of bin Laden and Mullah Omar, who finally goaded American into hitting back and hitting hard.

Afghanistan was a terrorist state, as was Iraq, as is Iran. These terrorist states started this war. These states formally supported, funded, trained, and succored terrorism, fundamentalist Islam or aimed at destroying Israel.

The blame for Captain Halley being in Afghanistan where he suffered a heart attack belongs solely with them.

America would not be in Afghanistan or Iraq had THEY not started this war.

GregH is a huge partisan

Exactly who am I partisan to? Are you implying that I favor the Democrats, and should therefore be discounted? Because, I don’t favor any party. Each are equally complicit in the problems of American democracy.

hawking Chomsky’s book on his site

What Chomsky book am I hawking?

This lady lost her husband, and the father of her children. I think she is entitled to be angry at whomever she wishes.

And what if her “feelings” told her that your idol Keith Olbermann is somehow to blame… would you still be defending her irrational leftist claptrap then?

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“How come anytime somebody with a dissenting opinion tries to get involved they are called a troll?”

What you are is a typical moonbat version of Captain Queeg from The Caine Mutiny. Frankly, I don’t think you’re bright enough to be considered an effective troll.

Like Queeg, obsessing over the stolen frozen strawberries, you and your moonbat ilk continue to obsess over Iraq — EVEN THOUGH THE DISCUSSION IS ABOUT AFGHANISTAN.

I guess your talking points memo didn’t explain how to properly use strawmen arguments, did it?

The moonbat self righteous obsession with Iraq doesn’t cancel history, nor does it negate the fact that 26 million Iraqis are free of a murderous dictator, and that our removal of Saddam — the murderer of over a million Iraqis — was a good thing, irrespective of anything else.

As long as halfwitted moonbat idiots like you continue to look for “who stole the strawberries” and not on how to shape the future for our (and the Iraqi people’s) advantage, you’ll continue to be the problem and not part of the solution.

As far as discrediting anyone, Sheehan discredits herself. There is no concerted effort to smear war widows on the right.

I take issue with your “concerned citizen” mantra.

I take issue with your condescending stance.

You don’t like the President, you don’t like Iraq, you don’t like Afgahnistan, that’s fine but you have a whole lotta sites dedicated to your point of view.

So I should be relegated to participating in conversations where all sides agree? Just because my opinion is different from yours does not make me an apologist for the violent actions committed by those terrorists. Your implication to the contrary insults me, and lessens your credibility.

I guess we on the right were raised by our parents to be nicer people.

So now you are insulting my parents? I didn’t use your dreaded “foul language” anywhere. I have never insulted anybody here, nor would I.

DakRoland said:

The men who carried out the attacks were mostly from Saudi Arabia, yes, but their links to Al Qaeda and Osama in Afghanistan are well documented.

But their links to Germany and Saudia Arabia were also well documented. Why didn’t we apply the same rule of force there?

The difference here is location…not cause.

Point taken. But the fact remains that he didn’t die on some obstacle couse at some Army base in the US. He died in Afghanistan, where it appears, this widow didn’t believe he should have been. This lady lost her husband, and the father of her children. I think she is entitled to be angry at whomever she wishes.