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Weeping war widow tells Bush she blames him for husband’s death; Update: Cindy changes her story

posted at 1:57 pm on September 25, 2006 by Allahpundit
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An amazing article:

They sat on two frayed chairs in a teacher’s lounge, the president and the widow, just the two of them so close that their knees were almost touching.

She was talking about her husband, the soldier who died in a far-off war zone. Tears rolled down her face as she mentioned two children left fatherless. His eyes welled up, too. He hugged her, held her face, kissed her cheek. “I am so sorry for your loss,” he kept repeating…

Halley, 41, lost her husband, National Guard Capt. Patrick Damon, also 41, in June in Afghanistan to what officially was ruled a heart attack. When Sen. Olympia J. Snowe (R-Maine) called to offer condolences and asked if she could do anything, Halley requested a telephone call from the president. Instead, when he came to Maine to visit his parents in Kennebunkport, the White House invited her to meet him at a school.

When Bush walked in, Halley told him about Patrick, how they had met at American University, moved to Maine and had a family. “After I spoke about my husband for quite some time, I said, ‘And now he’s dead. For what? Why? I’ve lost my soul mate.’ ” She asked her children, Mikayla, 14, and Jan-Christian, 12, to leave the room, then wept as she told Bush how hard life had become for them. “He started crying. I said, ‘These two children do not like you and they have good reason for that. And I hold you responsible for the death of my husband.’ ”

Bush seemed surprised that she opposes even the war in Afghanistan, and he cited the Taliban. “And I said, ‘Who put them in power?’ And he got a little defensive and said, ‘I’m really not here to discuss public policy with you.’ And I said, ‘That’s probably wise, and I’m not here to talk about public policy, either.’ “

“I think we will be in need of American forces for a long time,” says Talabani.

Update: Here’s an article about Capt. Damon’s death from his local paper.

Update: Speaking of Iraq, Mel’s back in the news.

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Update: SWLiP blogged this this morning too and zeroed in on the paragraph about Cindy Sheehan and Bush’s alleged insensitivity to her when they first met. She was singing a different tune once upon a time…


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Good for her. He is responsible.

Now let’s start discrediting her…

GregH on September 25, 2006 at 2:02 PM

I give him props for even taking the meeting.

Kid from Brooklyn on September 25, 2006 at 2:02 PM

Why are they reviving that story? I seem to recall hearing this story some time ago. The fact that he died of a heart attack appears to be lost on folks. That could have happened at Disney World as easily as Afghanistan.

LakeRuins on September 25, 2006 at 2:04 PM

Last time I checked, the military was still VOLUNTARY. How is her husband’s choice to be in the military, and his death by heart attack Bush’s fault.

I guess we’ve all got to BLAME someone else for our, and our loved ones’ choices, eh?

Hey, GregH…you’re on the wrong site, if you’re looking for support in your assertions.

tickleddragon on September 25, 2006 at 2:08 PM

Bush is responsible for a soldier having a heart attack in Afghanistan?

Riiiiiight.

GregH, you’re either a 9-11 Truther or you’re incapable of processing basic facts. The two aren’t mutually exclusive, btw, and in fact feed on one another.

Bryan on September 25, 2006 at 2:12 PM

Words can never describe the appreciation I feel towards our military for keeping us a free nation. That being said — even if this soldier had died in combat, how about blaming radical Islamists? They are the ones that attacked our nation.

wytammic on September 25, 2006 at 2:19 PM

“how about blaming radical Islamists”

Radical Islamists from Saudia Arabia attacked us on 9-11. Not Iraq.

GregH on September 25, 2006 at 2:26 PM

While I understand that she may blame the President for the fact her husband was in Afghanistan, (she’s looking for someone to blame as many do when their loved ones die in war zones)her husband was a volunteer and the fact that she said her kids don’t like him, well she’s filling them with those ideas. He’s not the first one to die of non-combat reasons (there have been at least 3 that I know about in Iraq who died from a stroke and two from heart attacks). There was also a soldier who died four days after returning from a heart attack and his widow is upset that she didn’t get the big payday that those who die in the war zone get (I’m not kidding this has been in the Army Times a couple of times). I guess Sheehas has another friend to pal around with. I think the President did a good thing by meeting with her. As others have said, her blame should be on those who attacked us not the President who is trying to keep us safe from those thugs. When I don’t hear from my husband for days I always worry and look out the window to see if some government car with two Officers in their dress uniforms will be knocking at my door. It’s something that everyone who has someone over there worries about all the time. That being said, my husband always reminds me that 1) he is a volunteer, 2) if it is his time, I should remember that he died in the cause for his country and he made the decision to make this his career as did the rest of his little family.

Catie96706 on September 25, 2006 at 2:34 PM

Radical Islamists from Saudia Arabia attacked us on 9-11. Not Iraq.

GregH on September 25, 2006 at 2:26 PM

Saudi Arabians who trained in Afghanistan, where her husband died of a heart attack.

BlueStateBlues on September 25, 2006 at 2:36 PM

Pay no attention to the Koskid.

Iraq is but the first step in the never ending war against terror, not the only one.

Conservatives take action. Liberals try… and fail. Just listen to impeached president clinton.

rightside on September 25, 2006 at 2:37 PM

gee, another anti-american / pro terrorist / pro amnesty /Cut & Run left-wing nutcase liberal.

hey GregH – Radical Islamists are also in Iraq too – before we did the right thing to take out Saddam, of course you liberals would rather see Saddam in power.

Starblazer on September 25, 2006 at 2:37 PM

Looks like Greg H is a troll from DU or DK-just my humble opinion.

Catie96706 on September 25, 2006 at 2:51 PM

How come anytime somebody with a dissenting opinion tries to get involved they are called a troll? I’m not a “troll” from anywhere. I am a concerned citizen, interested in expressing an opinion that you may or may not agree with.

That’s still allowed, isn’t it? Or is this a “my-opinion” only blog?

GregH on September 25, 2006 at 3:04 PM

“Radical Islamists from Saudia Arabia attacked us on 9-11. Not Iraq.”

That’s right Greg H. All other radical Islamic terrorists are INNOCENT and sweet lovable human beings. We should limit our response to terrorists only to the individual who pulls the trigger, pushes the button, or drives the car/passenger airplane.

Unfortunately, they are usually DEAD, leaving us only to shrug our shoulders and say … nothing we can do.

Go back to playing with your barbie dolls and leave the political decisions to those with balls and common sense.

Gregor on September 25, 2006 at 3:05 PM

You know what?

I don’t really have it in me to ridicule war widows of any stripe, even Shehan. This may sound too self-congratulatory, but so what? I like to think it’s what seperates honorable, voluntary, American soldiers from murderous headchoppers. Even if the enemy does exploit this as a “weakness.”

To this woman I say the same thing I said when Shehan came on the scene:

Ma’am? I’m very sorry for your loss. We will win this war for your dead husband, just as we’ve pledged to win it for all of our fallen. As I write these words, your husband’s unit is working hard to cement his honor with victory. It saddens me that you take no comfort in this resolve, but we will, nonetheless, win. Mark. My. Words.

Kadnine on September 25, 2006 at 3:07 PM

No Greg H this isn’t a site like Kos or DU. However, it is very strange how often times types like yourself show up for one day and one day only. Yes, thanks to those who have served and do serve you still have freedom of speech. I take issue with your “concerned citizen” mantra. I called you a troll because to me that’s what you are. You don’t like the President, you don’t like Iraq, you don’t like Afgahnistan, that’s fine but you have a whole lotta sites dedicated to your point of view. I can tell you that trying to post on DU being a person who supports the President–foul language galore! Over here, you’re just called a troll. I guess we on the right were raised by our parents to be nicer people.

Catie96706 on September 25, 2006 at 3:20 PM

Welcome GregH. I would like to politely point out that the US invaded Afghanistan due to the fact that the Taliban was harboring Osama Bin Laden, the one who orchestrated the attacks against the US on 9/11. The men who carried out the attacks were mostly from Saudi Arabia, yes, but their links to Al Qaeda and Osama in Afghanistan are well documented. Patrick Damon was career military. He was opposed to the war, but knew his commitment to his brothers in arms was paramount.

She said he opposed the war, but when he was called to serve in Afghanistan in his 20th and probably final year in the Guard, he went willingly.

“He didn’t agree with the war, but he also believed that he had made a commitment to our country and regardless of how you feel about the president or the policy, you don’t turn your back on your commitment,” she said.

Damon did not have a known heart problem. He was a competitive runner and appeared to be in top physical condition, family and friends said.

If he was called off to a month of training and collapsed after training on an obstacle course, would there be any difference? He still died of a heart attack, not from combat. I feel sadness for her loss (as well as for her children), but I feel her anger at the President is misplaced. Would she still be angry at him if her husband died of a heart attack on an Army base here in the US? The difference here is location…not cause.

(On a side note: Iraq was invaded for many reasons, not the least of which was their repeated nose-thumbing to multiple UN resolutions. If I remember correctly, there were something like 7 cited reasons to invade Iraq, and this was after our government exhausted diplomatic efforts at the UN and a final resolution. Although this has nothing to do with Patrick Damon’s heart attack, I thought it should be pointed out.)

DakRoland on September 25, 2006 at 3:22 PM

I take issue with your “concerned citizen” mantra.

I take issue with your condescending stance.

You don’t like the President, you don’t like Iraq, you don’t like Afgahnistan, that’s fine but you have a whole lotta sites dedicated to your point of view.

So I should be relegated to participating in conversations where all sides agree? Just because my opinion is different from yours does not make me an apologist for the violent actions committed by those terrorists. Your implication to the contrary insults me, and lessens your credibility.

I guess we on the right were raised by our parents to be nicer people.

So now you are insulting my parents? I didn’t use your dreaded “foul language” anywhere. I have never insulted anybody here, nor would I.

DakRoland said:

The men who carried out the attacks were mostly from Saudi Arabia, yes, but their links to Al Qaeda and Osama in Afghanistan are well documented.

But their links to Germany and Saudia Arabia were also well documented. Why didn’t we apply the same rule of force there?

The difference here is location…not cause.

Point taken. But the fact remains that he didn’t die on some obstacle couse at some Army base in the US. He died in Afghanistan, where it appears, this widow didn’t believe he should have been. This lady lost her husband, and the father of her children. I think she is entitled to be angry at whomever she wishes.

GregH on September 25, 2006 at 3:52 PM

GregH is a huge partisan hawking Chomsky’s book on his site. Pretty far from a “concerned citizen” or a “dissenting opinion.”

As far as discrediting anyone, Sheehan discredits herself. There is no concerted effort to smear war widows on the right.

BelchSpeak on September 25, 2006 at 3:53 PM

GregH writes: “Radical Islamists from Saudia Arabia attacked us on 9-11. Not Iraq.”

and

“How come anytime somebody with a dissenting opinion tries to get involved they are called a troll?”

What you are is a typical moonbat version of Captain Queeg from The Caine Mutiny. Frankly, I don’t think you’re bright enough to be considered an effective troll.

Like Queeg, obsessing over the stolen frozen strawberries, you and your moonbat ilk continue to obsess over Iraq — EVEN THOUGH THE DISCUSSION IS ABOUT AFGHANISTAN.

I guess your talking points memo didn’t explain how to properly use strawmen arguments, did it?

The moonbat self righteous obsession with Iraq doesn’t cancel history, nor does it negate the fact that 26 million Iraqis are free of a murderous dictator, and that our removal of Saddam — the murderer of over a million Iraqis — was a good thing, irrespective of anything else.

As long as halfwitted moonbat idiots like you continue to look for “who stole the strawberries” and not on how to shape the future for our (and the Iraqi people’s) advantage, you’ll continue to be the problem and not part of the solution.

georgej on September 25, 2006 at 4:00 PM

This lady lost her husband, and the father of her children. I think she is entitled to be angry at whomever she wishes.

And what if her “feelings” told her that your idol Keith Olbermann is somehow to blame… would you still be defending her irrational leftist claptrap then?

Watcher on September 25, 2006 at 4:03 PM

And the hits keep coming…

GregH is a huge partisan

Exactly who am I partisan to? Are you implying that I favor the Democrats, and should therefore be discounted? Because, I don’t favor any party. Each are equally complicit in the problems of American democracy.

hawking Chomsky’s book on his site

What Chomsky book am I hawking?

GregH on September 25, 2006 at 4:06 PM

It is understandable for Mrs. Halley to want to blame the President, even though she is blaming the wrong person. In our grief, it is natural to want to strike out at something, someone, anything, to relieve the pain.

My sympathies go out to her.

America did not start this war. Iran did in 1979. America did not escalate this war in 1983, Iran did when it blew up the US embassy in Beruit and the Marine barracks. America did not escalte this war in 1993, 1996, 1998 and 2000 when Iran and Al Qaeda attacked the World Trade Center, the Khobar Towers, 2 embassies in Africa, and the USS Cole.

And America did NOT escalate this war when Al Qaeda, living and training in Afghanistan, blew up the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

America finally struck back in Afghanistan. Captain Halley was in Afghanistan because of the actions of bin Laden and Mullah Omar, who finally goaded American into hitting back and hitting hard.

Afghanistan was a terrorist state, as was Iraq, as is Iran. These terrorist states started this war. These states formally supported, funded, trained, and succored terrorism, fundamentalist Islam or aimed at destroying Israel.

The blame for Captain Halley being in Afghanistan where he suffered a heart attack belongs solely with them.

America would not be in Afghanistan or Iraq had THEY not started this war.

georgej on September 25, 2006 at 4:18 PM

GregH,

I was reading some on your site and yes, while you admit to being a “big lib”, I will compliment you on this statement:

I wonder if DailyKos and Salon will report of the deception and chicanery of a Democratic leader if/when one is in office? What will all the “crazy liberals” do when they can no longer blame everything on GW?

That almost sounds like a conservative. Come, join the Dark Side, Luke.

:-)

Then there is this link to Chomsky … he is such a hypocrite.

Fogpig on September 25, 2006 at 4:22 PM

But their links to Germany and Saudia Arabia were also well documented. Why didn’t we apply the same rule of force there?

How many terrorist training camps did they have in Germany? How much support were they actually receiving from the German government? Are you unable to make the distinction, or are you just blurring it so that you can lash out?

Point taken. But the fact remains that he didn’t die on some obstacle couse at some Army base in the US. He died in Afghanistan, where it appears, this widow didn’t believe he should have been. This lady lost her husband, and the father of her children. I think she is entitled to be angry at whomever she wishes.

Yes, she can be angry at whomever she wishes. It doesn’t make her right, though.

thirteen28 on September 25, 2006 at 4:27 PM

GregH, you took the position that…

Good for her. He is responsible.

Ok. Now please explain to me how the President caused Capt. Damon to have a heart attack while in Afganistan. You would have to believe that Bush has diety-like powers to prove such an assumption.

Then you make an assumption when you stated…

Now let’s start discrediting her…

The facts discredit her, and you already knew that, yet you seem to believe that everyone here has an agenda. Well, that isn’t too surprising when that comes from a person who believes that everyone is a liar.

Next you try to change the facts with…

Radical Islamists from Saudia Arabia attacked us on 9-11. Not Iraq.

What does Iraq have to do with the death of this Captain in Afganistan? Not a thing, thus your words have no meaning.

You do not offer a dissenting opinion. You offer up a steamming plate of crap democrat talking points that have no substance, then wish for us to believe it is ambrosia.

You are right. You do lie, but no one here cares to praise you for your short coming. You will get over that by believing your self serving lie that others without your faux viewpoint are wrong and mean spirited, but never forget the word associated with people who believe their own incredulous lies.

DannoJyd on September 25, 2006 at 4:40 PM

But their links to Germany and Saudia Arabia were also well documented. Why didn’t we apply the same rule of force there?

Because Germany and Saudi Arabia reacted much differently to what happened than Afghanistan’s ruling Taliban. Plus, the head of Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan (at the time), and we gave them a chance to turn him over. They refused, thumbing their noses at us. So we invaded, threw the Taliban into disarray, and began our hunt of Osama. I’m still pissed that 5 years later, we still don’t have that SOB in custody, and now the Taliban seems to be on the upswing. I don’t think invading Saudi Arabia or Germany (again) would have helped bring down Al Qaeda at the time.

the fact remains that he didn’t die on some obstacle couse at some Army base in the US. He died in Afghanistan, where it appears, this widow didn’t believe he should have been. This lady lost her husband, and the father of her children. I think she is entitled to be angry at whomever she wishes.

He believed he was supposed to answer the call to serve, no matter what the mission. I think her anger is more over the fact that he was not home, with his family when he passed away. I think her anger is more about the fact that she was not able to say goodbye. I believe her distaste for the war is getting mixed with her emotions at this time, and it’s being misdirected. Yes, she can blame whomever she wishes, but does that make her right? There’s no question that anyone who loses a loved one, for any reason, feels loss and grief and anger and sadness. I just question whether blaming President Bush is really going to help her or her kids heal and move on.

DakRoland on September 25, 2006 at 4:44 PM

Greg H. writes:

“That’s still allowed, isn’t it? Or is this a “my-opinion” only blog?”

That’s a good point Greg, and you might notice that you are being allowed to spread your nonsensical arguments on this site regardless of your personal views.

It’s interesting to note however, that on DU … any post offering the slightest opposing opinion is immediately deleted. Have you not noticed that? It’s the Liberal way and it’s most likely the reason you are all so misguided and uninformed. No opposing views are allowed. I have posted on there many times and not once have I ever written anything offensive, yet my posts are immediately replaced with “post deleted, please read the terms of service.” All that’s left is the obnoxious vulgar responses by the Liberal readers, and somehow THESE comments are left standing, regardless of the “terms of service.”

When a Liberal hears any opposing viewpoint, they have spasms and immediately scream “BIAS!” That’s why they hate Fox News and claim IT’S biased even though Fox News is the ONLY network which routinely has representatives from both sides of the argument. You don’t see that with NBC, CBS, MSNBC, or CNN. Fox News has Alan Colmes, Bob Beckel, and others. You won’t see Sean Hannity on CBS.

As for here at HotAir … we love it when people such as you show up. It’s good humor.

Gregor on September 25, 2006 at 4:46 PM

It appears to me that Hildi Halley is in dire need of help just as was Cindy Sheehan. I hope she gets the needed help instead of being used by uncaring democrats such as Michael Moore.

DannoJyd on September 25, 2006 at 4:48 PM

Thirteen28 wrote: “How many terrorist training camps did they have in Germany? How much support were they actually receiving from the German government? Are you unable to make the distinction, or are you just blurring it so that you can lash out?”

GregH, like most moonbats, is fond of using “strawmen” arguments. For them, strawmen arguments substitute for intelligent debate and discourse. It reinforces their misplaced feelings of self righteousness.

Had Afghanistan extraditied bin Laden and his cadre as we demanded after 9/11/01, I doubt we would have invaded Afghanistan.

Afghanistan differs from Germany in two important areas. Germany and the United States are partners in NATO. Germany and the United States have extradition treaties.

In addition, Germany has aggressively prosecuted Al Qaeda and well as broken up their sleeper cells as they find them, while Afghanistan CHOSE to “be with the terrorists.”

georgej on September 25, 2006 at 4:51 PM

I take issue with your condescending stance. So I should be relegated to participating in conversations where all sides agree? Just because my opinion is different from yours does not make me an apologist for the violent actions committed by those terrorists. Your implication to the contrary insults me, and lessens your credibility. So now you are insulting my parents? I didn’t use your dreaded “foul language” anywhere. I have never insulted anybody here, nor would I. But the fact remains that he didn’t die on some obstacle couse at some Army base in the US. He died in Afghanistan, where it appears, this widow didn’t believe he should have been. This lady lost her husband, and the father of her children. I think she is entitled to be angry at whomever she wishes.

Well, well, well, did I say your parents didn’t raise your right? You must hang out on Kos and DU then. Well, I don’t know why he joined then. You know Greggers when I was in the military, I knew that I joined because I wanted to serve and I needed the money to get through Notre Dame. So, if he was in the NG, he must have wanted the extra money, had prior service and wanted to get the retirement. So, if you want to take your line of thinking those who serve and have someone die have only themselves to blame. You know people who have that line of thinking make me wonder. When you sign up, you never know what your destiny is. If you’re family is going to be mad that you died, then perhaps you should not have joined or you should have gotten out of the military. You can’t have it both ways.

Catie96706 on September 25, 2006 at 5:16 PM

Changing this tone a little to remember Capt. Damon.. (because isn’t this what it should be all about?

This quote is rather interesting, from the article on his passing…

Damon, the son of Ellsworth and Barbara Damon, grew up in Wiscasset and Newcastle. He has a twin sister, Alicia Tenney of Chesterville. He graduated from Hyde School in Bath.

After high school, Damon hitchhiked to Washington, D.C., to enter American University with only enough money to get him through a semester.

Halley met him then and was immediately attracted to his self-confidence and resourcefulness. “It was love at first sight,” she said. “We started dating immediately.”

They married in 1986 while Damon was still a student at American. They worked in Washington for a few years after graduation and then moved back to Maine, where Damon got involved in politics.

He was dedicated to the Military, spending 20 years in the service. But he was also dedicated to keeping in contact with his family and friends.

Damon joined the National Guard in 1986 and had served deployments in Guatemala and Panama, Halley said. In October, he would have completed his 20th year of service and could have retired. He received word in December that he would be deployed in Afghanistan. He left home on Jan. 25 for training and arrived in Afghanistan on April 4.

He corresponded with friends in Maine almost daily. Ted Potter, chief of staff for House Speaker John Richardson, said that his notes were rich with observation about the country and its people.

“I would swear that half the country is under the age of 15 years old, the Taliban killed so many people, especially the Hazaras, descendants of the Mongols,” one message read.

“It’s an odd feeling to know that I have stood on mountains that Ghengis Kahn and his armies rode around in 1169,” read another.

Capt. Damon is someone I would have liked to have met. I think he represented what was good and decent in all people. His loss is a loss for all of us.

DakRoland on September 25, 2006 at 5:17 PM

Perhaps I missed something, but the widow asked who put the Taliban into power. While our foreign policy has been flawed at times I don’t believe we can blame ourselves for the Taliban. They were empowered by AQ and Pakistan and they allowed Afghanistan to be the primary training grounds for AQ. Since AQ was mainly responsible for the attack we were correct to take out the Taliban.

Having said that, I agree with Greg H. in as much as the 9/11 terrorists were connected far, far more to Saudi Arabia (our so-called friends) than anywhere else, and had no ties to Iraq that are known. However, we cannot single out particular sects of Islam. Thus, if we’d never invaded Iraq we would still be facing the scorn of Satanic Islam just because we fought back in invading Afghanistan. For that matter, even if we’d done nothing but whimper we’d be the target of their hate. When the civilized world comes to the realization that we are at war with Islam and not some supposed “radical” wing of it (it’s all radical) we will be in a position to actually win. Until then we will be divided over political issues.

Bellicose Muse on September 25, 2006 at 5:35 PM

GregH,

DannoJyd thoroughly nuked your arguments. Deal with it.

Its real simple….

Bin Laden & Co. declared war on the US in 1996.

Bin Laden & Co. attacked and killed nearly 3000 civilians on US soil.

National Guard Capt. Patrick Damon volunteered to join the military knowing full well what may be required of him.

National Guard Capt. Patrick Damon died of a heart attack, not by a bullet or a bomb. An honest person recognizes that he could have had a heart attack anywhere at anytime.

Mrs. Damon request that the President of the United States call her. Instead, he meets with her face to face. Instead of giving him any credit, you ignore it.

The War in Iraq had nothing to do with Capt. Patrick Damon’s heart attack. He wasn’t in Iraq. Yet, when someone suggest blaming radical Islamist, you come back with Radical Islamists from Saudia Arabia attacked us on 9-11. Not Iraq.

I’m sorry, but that was a truly stupid response. You only exposed yourself for what you really are.

My heart goes out to Mrs. Damon. My mother lost her father in a war where the enemy never attacked us first directly. The difference my mother doesn’t blame Roosevelt. She blames Hitler.

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GT on September 25, 2006 at 5:53 PM

Having said that, I agree with Greg H. in as much as the 9/11 terrorists were connected far, far more to Saudi Arabia (our so-called friends) than anywhere else, and had no ties to Iraq that are known. However, we cannot single out particular sects of Islam.

That is something that has bothered me. What point does it matter that the majority of 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia?

Were the hijackers financed or supported by the Saudi government? I’ve not read anywhere that they were. Was the Saudi government actively providing support for terrorists? Saddam certainly was.

And lets not forget what Bush said: “….we have made it clear to all nations, if you harbor terrorists, you are just as guilty as the terrorists; you’re an enemy of the United States, and you will be held to account.”

Given Saddam’s active participation in the training and financing of terrorism, I fail to understand why so many don’t see the connection between the War in Iraq and the War on Terrorism. I think Stephen Hayes did a pretty good job putting the pieces of the puzzle together back in November 24, 2003. I’ve yet to see anyone challenge his points.

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GT on September 25, 2006 at 6:07 PM

correction, GT – according to liberals like GregH – that the Bush admin. planned 9/11 to kill 3,000 citizens on U.S. soil to go to war & not their pals, the terrorists.

Starblazer on September 25, 2006 at 6:32 PM

AP, this lonely leftist can’t get his brother in laws to argue with him any more, ’cause they both threatened to kick his ass. So, now he has ‘his own blog!’, and he’s only trolling over here looking for readers to accidentally bump up his numbers.

Greg, get a life and a brain.

Jaibones on September 25, 2006 at 10:27 PM

Sweet Jesus – What has AP started here?

Kadnine on September 26, 2006 at 12:07 AM

GT wrote: “Given Saddam’s active participation in the training and financing of terrorism, I fail to understand why so many don’t see the connection between the War in Iraq and the War on Terrorism.”

It is willful blindness on the moonbat’s part. It is Queeg solving the theft of the strawberries.

Usually, it’s followed up with the refrain that Iraq wasn’t a threat to America — more willful blindness.

But the fact remains, that Saddam was not only a threat to our national security, as Iran and North Korea are today, but a threat to the entire middle east.

And he was a proven monster who had used WMD on his own people

georgej on September 26, 2006 at 12:23 AM

Grief is irrational.

And Mrs. Damon realizes that Osama Bin Laden, who turned Afghanistan into Terror Central -and resulted in her husband being there to suffer a heart attack- isn’t going to listen to her complaints (other than to behead her), so she lashes out at a man who she knows won’t be able to do any more than take it.

We give too much weight to the irrational, lately.

And not enough to following the messy threads back to their source:

-the terror that is woven into the Koran by a “prophet” of intolerance, misogyny, rapine, slavery, slaughter and global “submission” to his dismal vision.

Those who don’t know why we fight will always miss the point.

If her husband had truly opposed the war in Afghanistan, he could have chosen conscientious objector status and done community service instead.

But the irrational can’t conceive of anything but their own emotional agendas.

And we won’t win this Anti-Jihad War without retaining a solid grip on cold logic.

profitsbeard on September 26, 2006 at 12:34 AM

one thing that kills me about these people who blame bush for their loved ones dying is that they completely remove their loved one’s responsibility for … volunteering to go into the military.

self sacrifice for the greater good? What’s that?

One Angry Christian on September 26, 2006 at 9:42 AM

If the good Captain lay dead on a beautiful Sunday morning in his wifes arms at home in bed, is it Bush’s fault??
HE died of a heart attack!!

gary on September 26, 2006 at 6:42 PM

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