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Video: Clinton vs. Wallace on “Fox News Sunday” Update: Wallace asked Rumsfeld same question in ‘04

posted at 12:17 pm on September 24, 2006 by Allahpundit
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I tried to cut all the best parts but you’re well advised to read the transcript. Righties are going to have a field day fact-checking him. Points to take away:

1. He showed leadership by not pulling out of Somalia while the bodies were still warm.

2. Contrary to Chris Wallace’s assertion, Bin Laden wasn’t involved in Mogadishu. Which, actually, wasn’t Chris Wallace’s assertion.

3. He was all set to do exactly what Bush ended up doing after 9/11 except that he couldn’t get basing rights in Uzbekistan and the CIA and FBI wouldn’t “certify” that Bin Laden was responsible for the embassy bombings. Really? I’d be curious to know what Michael Scheuer has to say about that. I’d also be curious to know why, if the FBI refused to certify, Osama’s been on their Ten Most Wanted list for his role in the embassy bombings since June 1999.

4. He had eight years to confront Islamic extremism, four years to address Bin Laden’s declaration of war on the U.S., and two and a half years to respond to the embassy bombings, yet somehow Republicans had “three times” as long as Clinton did to get him.

5. Despite the fact that it’s central to a debate that’s been raging for weeks, Wallace’s question about whether he did enough to eliminate Bin Laden is a “conservative hit job” designed to appease Fox’s right-wing viewers, who’ll all be very, very sore when they find out Rupert Murdoch is working with Clinton on climate change. Presumably Wallace should have stuck to the script followed by Meredith “Giggles” Vieira, CNN schlockmeister Larry King, who bombarded Clinton with tough questions like “How’s your health?” and “Have you seen Gore’s movie?”, and of course Keith Olbermann, who played his part perfectly except for the lack of a blue dress.

6. The “entire military” was against using special forces to go in and get Bin Laden, thereby rendering Clinton powerless under the “Entire Military” exception to the Constitution’s commander-in-chief clause.

7. John Warner, Lindsey Graham, and the rest of the McCain anti-belly slap contingent are proof that some Republicans still believe in the Constitution.

8. Republicans will do well in November if terrorism is the central issue because Americans know the multicultural left is hopelessly ideologically compromised on Islamic extremism. Which is to say, because Americans will be “scared.”

Enough blather. Here’s the video.


Update: Jim Pinkerton thinks Clinton was looking for an opening to bash Fox.

Update: Byron York takes Clinton’s advice and reads Richard Clarke’s book. Money:

[I]t’s not quite accurate to say that Clinton tried to kill bin Laden. Rather, he tried to convince — as opposed to, say, order — U.S. military and intelligence agencies to kill bin Laden. And when, on a number of occasions, those agencies refused to act, Clinton, the commander-in-chief, gave up.

Clinton did not give up in the sense of an executive who gives an order and then moves on to other things, thinking the order is being carried out when in fact it is being ignored. Instead, Clinton knew at the time that his top military and intelligence officials were dragging their feet on going after bin Laden and al Qaeda. He gave up rather than use his authority to force them into action.

Update: Dorkafork says I missed the biggest fact-check of all: “I remember a lot of criticisms of Clinton, but the criticism that he was ‘too obsessed’ with bin Laden isn’t one of them.”

Update: “Touch it.”

Update: Wallace says he’s surprised at Clinton’s nutrootsy “conspiratorial view.” He also wants to know, as I do, why he was the only one on Clinton’s media tour to put this rather pertinent question to him.

Update: I caught Chris Muir with his pants down. Last night his Day By Day strip had Clinton saying, “Touch it.” This morning he has him saying, “Help me with my pants.” Chicken.

Update: Jonah Goldberg points to NR’s editorial after the cruise missile strike in ‘98 as proof that plenty of conservatives were happy to see Billy Jeff take a shot at Osama.

Update: Fact-checkmania!

Update: Patterico discovers, contrary to Clinton’s belief, that Chris Wallace has asked these questions of Bush administration officials. So “conservative hit job” really is Clintonspeak for “tough but fair.” Surprise.

Update: Billy Jeff says Osama had absolutely positively nothing to do with Mogadishu. His own Department of Justice said otherwise. Go read the 1998 grand jury indictment at Tammy Bruce’s site.

I said we’d have a field day fact-checking him. This is just the beginning.

Update: Now we’re really rolling: Jake Tapper of ABC News googled around and discovered that there were indeed people speculating about a “wag the dog” scenario in 1998. But they weren’t Republicans.

Update: Clinton — who’s adamantly anti-torture and very pro-Constitution, says he ordered the CIA to kill Bin Laden. There’s just one small problem with that.

Update (Ian): Chris Wallace comments:

The President was clearly stung by any suggestion that he had not done everything he could to get bin Laden. He attacked right-wingers–accused me of a “conservative hit job”–and even spun a theory I still don’t understand that somehow Fox was trying to cover up the fact that NewsCorp. chief Rupert Murdoch was supporting his Global Initiative. I still have no idea what set him off.

Former President Clinton is a very big man. As he leaned forward–wagging his finger in my face–and then poking the notes I was holding–I felt as if a mountain was coming down in front of me.


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Oh Jesus! A knee slapper! Now, if it were only funny…

james hooker on September 24, 2006 at 12:26 PM

WTF is Clinton doing? Why is he even on T.V.? I’m really baffled here. I mean, yeah the guys a sleaze, but he’s usually a smarter sleaze that all this.

Is it really and truly OVER for the Dems? Are they absolutely ALL nutbags now?

That’s what it looks like. Either that or this is Bills desperate, last ditch attempt to make Hillary look like the only sane one left in the party.

venmax on September 24, 2006 at 12:33 PM

You’re missing the biggest fact-check of all:

I think it’s very interesting that all the conservative Republicans who now say that I didn’t do enough, claimed that I was obsessed with Bin Laden. All of President Bush’s neocons claimed that I was too obsessed with finding Bin Laden when they didn’t have a single meeting about Bin Laden for the nine months after I left office. All the right wingers who now say that I didn’t do enough said that I did too much. Same people.

Uh, what? I remember a lot of criticisms of Clinton, but the criticism that he was “too obsessed” with bin Laden isn’t one of them.

dorkafork on September 24, 2006 at 12:37 PM

Wow, Clinton the tough guy sure had it in for the right-wing neocon conspiracists at Fox News. If only he had the same fire in his belly for going after Bin Laden as he did for taking down Chris Wallace, we might have avoided 9/11. His priorities have always been ass backwards, with but one ultimate priority – himself. This was evident in the arrogance and pompousness he put on display during the interview.

Clinton’s decided to go “all in” with his all too familiar wagging of the finger and squinting routine. That’s a tell folks. He’s bluffing.

Der Slickmeister would like to put a new face on his policies towards terrorism while he was in office, but he needs to admit the truth. Like Monica, Bill blew it.

Expect to see Bill popping up again (no pun intended) on the likes of CNN and MSNBC, where there are no lurking neocons waiting to pounce on him.

Clinton LegAssy Legacy …..*gurgle* … *gurgle* … *gurgle* …

fogw on September 24, 2006 at 12:45 PM

Wow. He just shot his own legacy in the face. If he thinks he’s setting the record straight, he’s not. He looks too angry and desperate here for anyone to take him at his word (which no one does anyway). This was a serious loss of composure on his part. He was all over the place. The man has some issues. Too bad he and Carter don’t have the class of Bush 41 (or 43).

CP on September 24, 2006 at 12:49 PM

I recall the right wing being more upset about Clinton’s lies about “wagging-the-wiener” than about those about “wagging-the-dog.”

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on September 24, 2006 at 12:56 PM

You couldn’t have asked for a better commercial for the GOP and George Bush. Clinton played his part perfectly.

Bravo Bubba!

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GT on September 24, 2006 at 1:09 PM

In thinking this over, what I should have said is:I recall the right wing being more upset about Clinton’s lies about “gagging-the-dog” than about those about “wagging-the-dog.”

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on September 24, 2006 at 1:23 PM

1. He showed leadership by not pulling out of Somalia while the bodies were still warm.

No, but he did announce he would be pulling out the troops while the bodies were still warm. 2 days after Black Hawk Down he announced the troops would be pulled out within 6 months.

One word for this interview: desperate

bopbottle on September 24, 2006 at 1:43 PM

All he’s done is criticize Bush, even to European audiences.

Rose on September 24, 2006 at 1:49 PM

Allah, to be fair regarding your point #3, Clinton was talking about the bombing of the USS Cole, not the Embassy bombings. That issue is where he gets his “Bush had 3x longer to do something and didn’t” idea.

But in Clinton’s own words, he was “paralyzed by events” therefore UBL was never aggressively sought by his administration after 1998.

BlueStateBlues on September 24, 2006 at 1:50 PM

I think Bill may have been on some “medication” or just had a few when he went in for the interview. His speech seemed to be a bit garbled or he a case of dry mouth. Maybe just angry that Chris Wallace was just sitting there with his “smirk” in utter wonder and enjoyment. Can you believe his reasoning, “the CIA wouldn’t certify, and couldn’t get basing”?

d1carter on September 24, 2006 at 1:58 PM

Another instance of “Don’t go away mad, just go away!” I can’t understand how so many prominant Democrats (Carter, Clinton, Gore, etc.) are losing it; that is making the broad assumption that they ever had it. These people need some serious therapy.

DAT60A3 on September 24, 2006 at 1:59 PM

More fact checking via Richard Clarke:

Transcript: Clarke Praises Bush Team in ‘02

eagles5 on September 24, 2006 at 2:01 PM

It started out innocuous enough. Clinton did want to talk about all the money he had raised for the World. I guess this is what he wants to be remembered for: The Great Fundraiser For the World. He wants to be benevolent and philanthropic now that he’s overcome his touch with death…but all his attempts at ‘good deeds’ will never erase the strain of his irresponsible, self-serving, ineptitude as President of the United States.

He chose to go on Fox, foolishly believing that the real bile that was in his heart would not come out. Even in this he lacked self-control. It was scary to watch.

jatfla on September 24, 2006 at 2:01 PM

Believe Clinton is more likely to be remembered as the world’s great skirt-raiser.

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on September 24, 2006 at 2:15 PM

i want to know how Rove pulled this one off.Damn he’s good.

bbz123 on September 24, 2006 at 2:25 PM

Have the democrats EVER mentioned his excuse about not getting basing rights in the past? or that the military refused? I don’t recall since their excuses fly fast and furious, but if it was never mentioned before, why bring it up now?

Interesting that he admitted the 911 report was a “political document”.

This guy is such a sorry lying bastard…only interested in covering his own ass.

I think Wallace really kept his composure during the interview. Bubba saying it was a “conservative hit piece” and insinuating Wallace is a liar…I would have had a hard time keeping from punching him in the mouth.

Another thing to remember for his “legacy” is how he tried to recover after the Blackhawk Down incident. The two Delta guys who were awarded the Medal of Honor deserved it. Clinton awarded it to show how good he was as CinC. The Father of one of them refused to accept it, and told Clinton to his face that he wasn’t fit to be President.

If it wasn’t for Rush reading about this in foreign media, Americans would have never known this. He can snivel about this being a hit piece, just remember what the drive-by media forgot to cover.

91Veteran on September 24, 2006 at 2:26 PM

2. Contrary to Chris Wallace’s assertion, Bin Laden wasn’t involved in Mogadishu. Which, actually, wasn’t Chris Wallace’s assertion.

Er, Ahem, Cough, Cough.

ganeshpuri89 on September 24, 2006 at 2:36 PM

From Drudge, here’s a 10-minute clip you should see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqdpAQFQlHQ&mode=related&search=

ChrisInCanadaOrAussy on September 24, 2006 at 2:37 PM

“Our brothers who were here in Afghanistan tested them, and together with some of the mujahedeen in Somalia, God granted them victory. America exited dragging its tails in failure, defeat, and ruin, caring for nothing.”

–Usama bin Laden, Nov. 3, 2001

ganeshpuri89 on September 24, 2006 at 2:38 PM

Clinton always was a liar. He will always be a liar — an impeached liar.

The average moonbat may be an insane dweller on planet moonbat in the moonbat alternate universe, but Clinton is a cold, calculating, power hungry, self-obsessed, man. A man who is desperatly trying to fool the American public even still.

georgej on September 24, 2006 at 2:41 PM

But ignore the YouTube video clip. Here’s the FULL video from the Political Pitbull:
http://www.thepoliticalpitbull.com/2006/09/video_clinton_bugs_on_wallace.php

ChrisInCanadaOrAussy on September 24, 2006 at 2:47 PM

With all the stuff bill & hillary clinton did BEFORE leaving Arkansas they should be serving life sentences in a maximum security federal prison (like USP Florence ADMAX).

With all the stuff they did in Washington, they should be publicly executed (by hanging or firing squad) so the WHOLE WORLD can see our response.

Charges against former members of the clinton administration should land some, like sandy burglar, with death (treason), madeline albright, life (criminal conspiracy), janet reno, death (murder-criminal conspiracy), jamie gorelick, life (criminal conspiracy), etc, etc….

My God, this sounds like the Nurnberg trials…
Just so you know how I feel.

tormod on September 24, 2006 at 2:48 PM

Boy, “Path to 9/11″ & all those conservatives right-wingers over at ABC really must have gotten under Bill’s skin. His spin/BS kung-fu is usually very strong. A tender spot has been revealed for all to see though. There will be some esplainin’ to do this week!

Unhinged indeed.

MT on September 24, 2006 at 2:54 PM

Two quotes entered my mind on watching Clinton’s red-faced, two-fisted hysteria on display:

1. William Shakespeare, “Methinks he doth protest too much.” As Michelle also noted on her blog.

2. Whittaker Chambers, “Innocence has no need for outraged shrieks. Guilt does.

Clinton may claim that nobody did more than he did to catch or kill bin Laden; regardless of whether that’s true – and like so much of what Clinton claims, I suspect it’s not – the bottom line is that aside from Tora Bora he had the best chances to nab the bin Laden, and blew them all with his, “But are you 100%, completely, positively sure about this?” approach to any possibility of taking any kind of action.

Bill Gertz in his books “Betrayal” and “The China Threat” notes the same exact behavior in other contexts: subordinates would come to Clinton or his cronies like Sandy Berger, pointing out a problem and suggesting something be done about it – only to be dismissed with a, “Go get more proof” brush-off. The problem was, no amount of evidence was ever “enough.” So nothing ever got done.

In short, Clinton didn’t want to be bothered with “leading” – he’s always been a follower, particularly of popularity polls. But when confronted with his record of fecklsessness, his response is always to wail about some “right-wing conspiracy.” How pathetic.

Spurius Ligustinus on September 24, 2006 at 3:00 PM

Did anyone notice his comment about how he enjoyed ‘being the President’?

That just jumped off the screen at me. He spent his entire presidency trying to ‘enjoy’ every speck of it…and now he’s trying to ‘enjoy’ his own imagining of it and resents any and all who don’t remember it the way he does.

jatfla on September 24, 2006 at 3:08 PM

That is an excellent point, Jatfla.

ChrisInCanadaOrAussy on September 24, 2006 at 3:17 PM

Following up, Bush gets bashed against the rocks for being decisive and trying to do the right thing on his core file, the war against extremist Islamic terrorists, a file that got rather dumped in his lap.

While, as a disciplined man, he doesn’t drink or smoke, he exercises to keep himself fit (top 1% of men of his age) 6-days a week, and he returns to be with his lovely devoted wife when he has time for family graces.

There is a real difference between the two men. Bush the party-going gadfly of his youth is but a shell of his former self… George W. Bush the man of seriousiousness, resoluteness, and focus — a man who places achievement before pleasure — has arisen and stood firm in his stead.

ChrisInCanadaOrAussy on September 24, 2006 at 3:21 PM

Impeached President Clinton lied, thousands died, ex-President Clinton lied.

Hening on September 24, 2006 at 3:36 PM

Impeached and disbarredex-President, let’s not forget that.

ChrisInCanadaOrAussy on September 24, 2006 at 4:03 PM

“We will find those responsible and bring them to justice”..

How many times did Clinton utter that pathetic line?

It’s good to finally see him on the hot seat. This has been a long time coming. And it’s equally good to watch him squirm.

B-o-o H-o-o…

pwhited on September 24, 2006 at 4:21 PM

Am I the only one who thinks Clinton was drunk or on something? Not only is his speech slurred at the end, but it’s just a totally different person than we’ve ever seen. And watch when he flings himself bang in his chair a number of times and rests his face on his hand or fist. We’ll never know, but I am quite certain he’s on something.

RightWinged on September 24, 2006 at 4:27 PM

By the way, what’s with “go read Richard Clarke’s book” “all you need to do is read Richard Clarke’s book”… We already know what Clarke is all about bud, I’ll save my money. But if that’s a legitimate argument then to you I say “all you have to do is read Richard Miniter’s book!”

RightWinged on September 24, 2006 at 4:32 PM

HEY! Did Clinton sexually assault Chris Wallace? It looked like he touched Wallace several times, but I really couldn’t tell where. I would have told him “Back off, Bobby Dangler, I ain’t yer employee”.

Well I noticed a few of the usual tactics that Billy-boy likes to employ:
1) When your back is up against the wall point the finger at someone else.
2) When they ask questions you don’t want to answer, filibuster the questions with answers they don’t want.
3) When you don’t have anything you can say, say it with emotion. Mostly he’s used anger and crying in the past. Anger we got, but where were the tears?

It’s all about those darned right-wingers and their vast, right-wing conspiracy that are out to get him. I feel so bad for that poor, lying, opportunistic b*****d.

My favorite line he used: “a…big…load…of…hooey!!!” Yep! Better start headin’ back to the trailer park, Billy-boy.

Lone Star on September 24, 2006 at 4:47 PM

If Wallace really wanted to get a rise out of Clinton, he should have asked him which documents he asked Sandy Berger to stuff down in pants. Nah, couldn’t have had anything to do with ignoring terrorism, heh Bill?

fogw on September 24, 2006 at 5:19 PM

Did Bill Clinton’s gaggle of lawyers threatened to sue Foxnews if they aired the pre-recorded interview?

Kokonut on September 24, 2006 at 5:21 PM

91Veteran, excellent points!

Fogw, you ‘kill’ me – your play with words is incredible. Did you even realize the pun in “His priorities have always been ass backwards, with but one ultimate priority – himself”?

Chutzpah: 1. unmitigated effrontery or impudence; gall. 2. audacity; nerve.

Mr. Clinton has the gall, the ultimate chutzpah or sheer stupidity, to blame the FBI, CIA and the military, after he had converted them into eunuchs. Talk about ‘triangulation’! Was he not the Commander-in-Chief, and did they function in a vacuum? Was he working for them or vice-versa? How goofy!

To call Mr. C. Wallace a Leftie takes imagination too, and, yes, chutzpah. All in the name of bashing FOX. However, for Mr. Wallace this was a resume-highlight-maker! What an unexpected BONUS for him. He grew in my eyes enormously, just for asking the obvious question. Where are the rest of the reporters? All ‘bought’ ideologues and wussies!

My favorite quote:

The 9/11 commission was a political document too.

Thank you Mr. Clinton for saying that, sincerely.

Mr. Clinton could have handled this elegantly and presidentially by saying something like “…well, Chris, you see, hindsight is always 20/20; we both tried, I tried and President Bush tried, but it is very hard to connect the dots when they are needles in a hey-stack and there is so much information, connected and unconnected; I give credit to my people and I give credit to Mr. Bush for trying hard and we need to learn and adapt, both from our mistakes and our successes. We both had failures but we need to move on and do the best with what we now know”.

Instead, the tirade, the eyes, oh the eyes. I have this thing about the eyes. Psychologically and otherwise they always tell so much about people.

Instead he goes to the “Hillary defense” – “see Chris, there always was, is and will be a Right Wing Conspiracy” (not a direct quote). How lunatic that is!

Then the “if I were still President we’d have 20 thousand troops there” – you aren’t! When you were you blew it Big Time! Now, go back to global charities – they really, really need you, and good for you and your influence, sincerely. And, also, take the bad example from Mr. Carter, and try not to replicate it. Try to be a good ex U.S. President. You tried for a while and now you really, really shot it to the wind!

And this god-like love/admiration for Richard Clarke is odd.

What Chris Wallace should have followed-up with, calmly during his tantrum, for a total ‘killer’, would have been “…but President Clinton, do you really think that the American people are so naive as to not believe that your encounters with Monica Lewinski were a distraction from your C-in-C duties, especially on such serious matters as terrorism?”

Well, we had: Dean, Kennedy, Harkin, Durbin, Gore, Carter, Maxine Waters, Pelosi, Cindy and Cynthia, Murtha, more Gore, Hillary Clinton, more Gore, more Harkin, more Kennedy, more Cindy, Castro, Ahmi, Chavez, and now the fit which trumps all others, Mr. Clinton’s.

How could he and his be so naive as to think that life, history, such major events, millions of people, some of the media, blogs et others could transform such failures into an Oz-like legacy of his own imagination? Elitism at its worst!

This is his legacy forever now: intelligent, nuanced, great communicator, man with much empathy, economy was good, wagged finger at us, was impeached/disbarred and not punished further, times were laissez-faire, treated terrorism as an act of crime, had no respect for the FBI/CIA/military, had affinity for interns and other women, left WH, appeared to be presidential for a while, sold books, held speeches, was charismatic global do-gooder, threatened ABC, wagged finger at us again and brought up vast right wing conspiracy, was blue in the face and his eyes nearly popped out from rage because reality doesn’t match his imagination of grandeur.

What a wasted bloke this is…and what perfect timing! There at the very end of the fit he knew it too…

Entelechy on September 24, 2006 at 5:34 PM

What a closet case.keep covering Billy Jeff,keep covering.

bbz123 on September 24, 2006 at 5:39 PM

Something Yoda once said is especially appropriate for U.S. presidents – and especially Bill Clinton:

“Do or do not. There is no try.”

Jimmy Carter didn’t learn that lesson, either.

michaelsclass on September 24, 2006 at 6:01 PM

And this god-like love/admiration for Richard Clarke is odd.

Clinton needs to keep Clark on his good side, so he praises him. Otherwise Clark might come forward and reveal which of his recommendations for combating terrorism, found in Presidential Briefing Documents, were removed from the National Archives and destroyed by Berger.

Entelechy, Clinton is such an easy target. After posting the *gurgle* comment I thought some might interpret that remark the wrong way. To be clear, I meant his legacy was going down the drain, not the other obvious possibility.

fogw on September 24, 2006 at 6:04 PM

Chavez’s UN speech pales in comparison to Clinton’s VRWC hissy fit.

Hugo appeared practicially lucid to Clinton’s red-faced rants.

The Ugly American on September 24, 2006 at 6:36 PM

It is kind of odd; I guess a lesson for me:

The teaser clip that AllahPundit provided for us a couple days ago gave me the feeling of a raving, murderous, leftwing moonbat clinton and a real fear for Wallace’s life.

But seen in the full context, I only saw a little of slipping control and two seconds of murder (literally) in clinton’s eye. It almost seems to me as if the worst was edited out, but I can’t put my finger on it.

Sure, the first half of the interview was mostly a pack of lies and half-truths out of clinton’s mouth, interspersed with some of hillary’s Vast Right Wing Conspiracy paranoia; But it just didn’t have the impact to me that the clip did.

As to the second half; I wonder what clinton has on Richard Branson…. I can’t imagine a sharp guy like that turning over three billion dollars to a grifter without some sort of threat.

LegendHasIt on September 24, 2006 at 6:52 PM

Clinton looked like a complete ass.
He completely lost control.
Of course we all know how he had “issues” with control in the past.
Like keeping wee willy in the barn?
Perhaps he is on some sort of medication after his heart surgery?

MITX on September 24, 2006 at 6:57 PM

KP’s take on Clinton vs. Wallace, submitted without comment:

Clinton totally calls out conservatives for being so completely unconcerned with why Bush didn’t do a single thing to address Osama until after 9/11. They talk about how Clinton didn’t do anything after the USS Cole bombing, but don’t care that Bush didn’t either. And of course if Clinton had done anything in 2000 they would have accused him of election year politics to help Gore. Bush was president on 9/11, and never did a single thing to try and get Osama, but it’s all Clinton’s fault. If conservatives want to hate Clinton and claim he did nothing to try and get Osama — all the facts to the contrary — fine. But at least show the same anger towards Bush.

Carvin Guitar Man on September 24, 2006 at 6:57 PM

An old cowboy finally dies.
His friends bury him on top of a grassy hill
In a short while some wild flowers grow there
A horse comes along and eats some and as all horses do
Leaves a pile of what horses leave
Some months later one of his friends come to visit
He slides off his mount and sees the grave stone and then the pile left by the horse
He squats down and takes a good long ponder
The cowboy then stands up and says out loud
Ya know Bill, ya just ain’t changed all that much!

Speakup on September 24, 2006 at 7:00 PM

Oh, I forgot one thing I wanted to mention above:

Clinton bragged about having authorized all sorts of plans to ‘get Bin Laden’. Yeah, he may have authorized some planning… But when push came to shove, he refused to authorize the execution of those plans.

The only time he actually gave the ‘go’ was when the Lewinsky thing was at its peak, and he delayed even that long enough that the window of opportunity to actually get any bad guys went away, and he just did some damage to an empty camp and blow up what was apparently a legitimate pharmaceutical factory, which really hurt our image in Africa / middle east.

LegendHasIt on September 24, 2006 at 7:03 PM

Clintoon hates suffering alone. If he’s going to suffer, he’ll make everyone suffer the same measure, including the interviewer, Chris Wallace. Clintoon’s not done yet, though. He’ll twist this into a “it’s someone elses fault I behaved like a buffoon” conspiracy. He and his little Clintoonettes will make it someone elses fault. Chris Wallace, Fox News, and the “neocons” being the obvious patsys. He was that way straight out the gate when he chastized Wallace after the very first question. That’s the way liberal Democrats work.

“The vice of capitalism is that there is an unequal share of the blessings; the virtue of socialism is that there is an equal share of the misery.” -Sir Winston Churchill

……………………………………………………

The only thing I’ll give Clintoon, despite his bold faced lies and his utter failure at being POTUS, is that he didn’t berate this: President Bush has had 6 years to eliminate/capture Bin Laden and he has failed to do so.

And I am completely dumbfounded as to why that is, given everything we have, and have had, to locate him in a confined space the size of Texas. However, I’ll reserve further comment and opinion on that for another appropriate time and thread.

SilverStar830 on September 24, 2006 at 7:05 PM

Prediction: in a few days he’ll be on Larry King or some other ‘friendly’ show to explain what the meaning of his rant really was, with no questions asked to the contrary, for however long he wants to rant.

Entelechy on September 24, 2006 at 7:09 PM

Well just saw the replay on big Fox as it came on at 5 out here originally. I thought the whole thing was interesting including his yapping about conservatives will be writing and complaining because Murdoch is working with him on his CGI thing. I guess they can’t come up with any different ideas then the “vast right-wing conspiracy”. I think it’s time for new talking points. However, I’m afraid that come January 20, 2009, we’ll have another Clinton in the White House.

Catie96706 on September 24, 2006 at 7:11 PM

One thing I found interesting in was that Clinton was adamant that the things in Clarke’s weren’t opinions they were assertions. There would be fourteen threads at DU already if Bush said that.

RW_theoriginal on September 24, 2006 at 7:25 PM

Prediction: in a few days he’ll be on Larry King or some other ‘friendly’ show to explain what the meaning of his rant really was, with no questions asked to the contrary, for however long he wants to rant.

Good call… quite possibly choreographed that way actually.

By the way, everyone noticed the “smirk” comment from Slick Willy about Wallace, right? Am I the only one here who hasn’t dealt similarly with belligerent people? Particularly when I was checking ID’s at a bar in Nashville, I’d have someone stumble up to my door drunk or otherwise make clear they were drunk. I’d start to talk to them and explain why I couldn’t let them in. Then if they weren’t cool they’d start ranting and raving and throwing a fit, trying to prove they weren’t drunk. It’s all I could do not to laugh my ass off, so naturally I had a smile on my face, particularly as other customers streaming in and out watch the display.

Bottom line, when someone is making an ass of themselves, there’s nothing you can do is sit back, smile, and let the good times roll. Now I would say “couldn’t Clinton see, that this is why Wallace was smirking?”, but as I said earlier, I believe he was drunk or othewise under the influence. And the “what are you smiling at you $#^#@?!” line was one I’ve definitely heard dozens of times.

Another reason Wallace may have been smiling… He could just see the ratings and hype the interview was going to get. In his mind when he’s smirking there he’s going “oh man, this is MY weekend!”

RightWinged on September 24, 2006 at 7:25 PM

Well they all sure left it to FOX to look like the bad guys, or at least they tried to. Sorry Bill, you had a fight and no one came.

Why doent Bill Clinton go get tough with that old friggin fossil Larry King? I tell you, if he would have jabbed his finger at me and got in my face like that, I’d have knocked him on his ass, the damn draft-dodging liar. He apparently is getting all worked up over that docu-drama and this interview to try and start crap before the elections or something. It is him and his cronies who are up to something, not the GOP. He’s just trying to pick a fight. Maybe Bill can tell us what Sandy Berger shoved in his socks from the archives. What is he hiding about all this? Man that guy is such bad news it is sickening.

Richard Nixon once said,”If the Clintons ever make it into the Whitehouse, this country has truely gone to hell”. And I believe him.

Phrases like “hit job” and such sure spout out of Bills mouth quite fluidly. He and Hillary are surrounded by controversy in that regard and I won’t even go there. Too bad Vince Foster isn’t around to say a few words on the subject.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/foster.html

johnnyU on September 24, 2006 at 7:35 PM

Another reason Wallace may have been smiling… He could just see the ratings and hype the interview was going to get. In his mind when he’s smirking there he’s going “oh man, this is MY weekend!”

Didn’t Clinton actually accuse him of that with his “made your bones,” or whatever it was he said right there, comment.

RW_theoriginal on September 24, 2006 at 7:36 PM

I cant belive no other networks except FOX even got into this with him. Whats up with that?

johnnyU on September 24, 2006 at 7:45 PM

heres a little reminder :President Clinton learned about bin Laden within months of being sworn into office. National Security Advisor Anthony Lake told me that he first heard the name Osama bin Laden in 1993 in relation to the World Trade Center attack. Lake briefed the president about bin Laden that same year.
Read it and weep Billy boy.

His legacy just might end up being the biggest crook in the Oval Office, ever.

shooter on September 24, 2006 at 7:53 PM

As another poster rightly responded, we needn’t go any further than Bin Laden’s own words.

Carl Rove is GOOD!

How’d he do that?

Jimmyboy1 on September 24, 2006 at 7:56 PM

Am I the only one who thinks he is slurring horribly throughout this interview? He’s either drunk or forgot to put in his dentures.

Alden Pyle on September 24, 2006 at 8:19 PM

I tried not to watch the short videos posted here, Fox and other sites. I wanted to get my own feel for Clinton as he is today. I never liked him or his wife and never voted for him.
Now that I have said that I felt that he was prepared to do a “job” on Chris Wallace from the gitgo. I watch body language carefully as one of many indicators in human behavior. He was agressive, combative and I noticed that some of his words were slightly slured, like at the back of his tongue. He face went red and angry, he got into Chris’ personal space and generally would not shut up.

Bottom line for me, this was his “turn” to pull the right wing conspiracy jab just like his Missus when he lied through his teeth about the lady in the Blue Dress. His “supporters” did exactly what they had done when Monica and the litany of women came out: attack, interrupt, attack, interrupt, change the story, passionately disregard the truth and try to make a pretzel of the truth and the facts.

His “legacy” will be written in the future no matter how hard he tries to turn it around. He is simply a male with lots potential that cared only for himself. Period, end of paragraph.

It worked then, but it won’t work completely today. Thank you Fox News, thank you the internet, thank you radio. The playing field has changed and he absolutely hates it.

sharinlite on September 24, 2006 at 8:21 PM

If Gore had won in 2000, would Clinton be blaming him?

Rose on September 24, 2006 at 8:58 PM

A question. With President Clinton authorized assassination on Osama bin Laden, would that be a violation of US law? Secondly, yet Osama bin Laden is the leader of a terrorist organization, not a nation. How would that relate to George Bush giving a “go” on the first night of bombing on Iraq hoping to get Saddam, a leader of a country rather than an organization?

Thanks.

Kokonut on September 24, 2006 at 9:21 PM

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