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Leak: CIA interrogation techniques revealed

posted at 6:54 pm on September 18, 2006 by Allahpundit
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They’re seeking Congressional authorization for seven discrete procedures, each more brutal than the last. The Guardian has a complete list. Click here if you want to see, but be forewarned — they’re extremely graphic. The “attention grab,” in particular, is the stuff of which nightmares are made.

McCain’s on a moral masturbation tour of New Hampshire right now in which he nobly asserts that belly-slapping Khaled Sheikh Mohammed would make us no better than terrorists without ever actually explaining how and why. The Times covered it, and as you can see, the fix is in:

Senator John McCain, who is battling with the White House over the interrogation and trial of terrorism suspects, on Sunday flew to New Hampshire — and right into a blistering editorial from the conservative Manchester Union-Leader that assailed him for standing up to President Bush on the issue.

No, they assailed him for being a sanctimonious jackass whose cavalier attitude towards the utility of these techniques is apt to get people killed. Read it for yourself. Now, back to the Times piece. Forgive me for impugning St. John’s motives, but do I detect a faint whiff of political calculation?

Mr. McCain said Sunday that he was acting out of conscience, not political calculation, to reinforce an image of independence that has been questioned in recent months as he has supported Mr. Bush on issues like the war in Iraq. Still, he said his office had been deluged with critical phone calls, and that he had picked up enough buzz from conservative radio talk stations to conclude that he might have once again rattled his support among conservatives.

“I would imagine so,” he said, riding in a helicopter rumbling over the New Hampshire hills as it took him to a Nascar race at the New Hampshire International Speedway. “The radio talk show hosts have already been very critical.”

John McCain, scourge of heavy-breathing wingnut talk-radio listeners everywhere. He can afford to position himself that way since he’s more socially conservative than Giuliani is; it’s his sop to party centrists. I wonder if he expected Romney to turn around and attack him from the right by backing Bush, though. Read the article for McCain’s entertainingly snotty response to that.

Speaking of entertainingly snotty, it seems our friend Andrew has instituted a new “award” over at the blogosphere’s answer to the Vatican. Kaus has details and offers a nominee. Ace wondered earlier today,

Is there anyone at all, right, left, or middle, who actually likes Sullivan? Yes yes: he has tens of thousands of readers. But isn’t that a severe underperformance for someone with his name recognition?

To which I say: not at all. To be really big, like Michelle Malkin, say, you have to indulge in “constant hysteria.”

It’s his sober, cautious approach to world events that keeps Sully’s hit count down.


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Considering the techniques mentioned:

“hypothermia; forcing suspects to stand for prolonged periods; sleep deprivation; a technique called “the attention grab” where a suspect’s shirt is forcefully seized; the “attention slap” or open hand slapping that hurts but does not lead to physical damage; the “belly slap”; and sound and light manipulation with Red Hot Chili Peppers” music…”
I am not kidding, I have been sibjected to all of that and more on my bus ride home from high school!

RobCon on September 18, 2006 at 7:04 PM

I’ve been subjected to that when I was drunk

Seriously, its so hilarious trying to hear my friends who are liberals claim that by doing this we are the same as Al Qaeda.

Defector01 on September 18, 2006 at 7:08 PM

I am not kidding, I have been sibjected to all of that and more on my bus ride home from high school!

RobCon on September 18, 2006 at 7:04 PM

Except for the belly slapping, these “techniques” also sound a lot like the “character building” activities I experienced in Army Basic training, years ago.

Of course, that lasted weeks. Whereas these terrorist must endure months or years. Except these knotheads are thugs and murderers, and they probably deserve a lot worse than a few belly slaps, and shirt grabbings.

Lawrence on September 18, 2006 at 7:11 PM

I agree with the previous posts. If you come up with us on our annual Ice fishing trip during January, in Minnesota – you would be subject to all of this – as well as flatulence torture that is guaranteed to elicit information from the most stubborn of terrorists….

Dr. Gecko on September 18, 2006 at 7:11 PM

a technique called “the attention grab” where a suspect’s shirt is forcefully seized;

On no, not the dreaded attention grab. Don’t know if I’ll be able to sleep now.

Show me any male who didn’t have an older brother or brothers do this on a routine basis.

JammieWearingFool on September 18, 2006 at 7:13 PM

I worked in an office with loud music and one of my co-workers needed the temp somewhere around 80 degrees and the rest of the place was about 60 to compensate, I have to say that those two are really bad but I think I have them beat. Our office space was cramped and two people had to walk past my chair to get to their desks so I was jostled a few times a day. I also has this cruddy old chair that was tatamount to torture but I hear those guys get recliners so I have one better they they do.
Hey, if these pansies get three hots & a cot in the caribean and are allowed a few hours outside for exercise with quiet time, five times a day.. Where do I sign-up?

If they want torture, try taking care of two kids ALL DAY, EVERYDAY.. If they don’t tell everything after two or three days of Teletubbies and BooBah, they don’t know anything.

madmonaco on September 18, 2006 at 7:13 PM

‘Tis a sad day in our Republic when we wring our hands over the moral consequences of giving pink-bellies to headchoppers.

Kid from Brooklyn on September 18, 2006 at 7:30 PM

My enlistment physical was more painful and disturbing.

The New York Times recently reported that Abu Zubaydah, the first al-Qaida member captured after the September 11 attacks, was kept in a freezing cell until he went blue, and later assailed with loud Red Hot Chili Peppers music.

They did that to me too, but I just blocked it out and played the Bee Gees in my head.

Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk,
I’m a woman’s man, no time to talk.
Music loud and women warm.
I’ve been kicked around since I was born.
And now it’s all right, it’s O.K.
And you may look the other way.
We can try to understand
The New York Times’ effect on man.
Whether you’re a brother
Or whether you’re a mother,
You’re stayin’ alive, stayin’ alive.

Pablo on September 18, 2006 at 7:38 PM

I dont even know where to start *sigh*
Our “high moral ground” is only going to result in more HOLES ON OUR GROUNDS ..like NYC, PA and the Pentagon!

labwrs on September 18, 2006 at 7:38 PM

The British attorney general warned the US that its plans would face international condemnation. Speaking to lawyers in Chicago at the weekend, Lord Goldsmith said he had thought hard about interfering…..

This is the problem KEEP THE LAWYERS OUT!!!!!!!!!!! The only lawyers AQ has are the one’s WE PROVIDE. Damn this is frustrating…. I bet if the target were lawyers only they would be finding all sorts of ays to get people to talk – DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dallas94 on September 18, 2006 at 7:39 PM

Time to get tough, bring in the Yanni instead of Red Hot Chili Peppers. Or maybe Streisand.

Seriously, I don’t know what tactics they used on McCain in N. Vietnam, but it sure worked to drive him crazy. He’s a snide dirtbag, playing politics with our soldiers’ and civillians’ lives.

So, we were under the Geneva convention while he was held in the Hanoi Hilton, right? And that made his captors treat him as nice as we treat our detainees, right? No, wrong.

The Geneva convention is another tactic to tie the hands of the superpower the “evil” US, and make it easier to take us down. Just like the Kyoto treaty, it really only affects and applies to the US.

Time to get those detainees pregnant, and let them go through the hell of “morning” sickness for 3+ months. That would probably get them talking.

NTWR on September 18, 2006 at 7:41 PM

These are the techniques that make us like our enemies according to McCain & Co.? You’ve got to be effing kidding me.

CP on September 18, 2006 at 7:43 PM

Jeez, it’s like none of these terrorists have wives that take all the covers or kids who take care of the remainder of the list.

I need to revisit my marriage vows to see which part was a surrender of Geneva rights. I feel violated!

SailorDave on September 18, 2006 at 7:43 PM

Another story on this topic, how Political Correctness Now Precludes US Winning a War.

Bill Cosby should be hailed as the new Nostradamus.

NTWR on September 18, 2006 at 7:45 PM

BTW, the NY lawyer that Newsweek obtained “the list” from, Scott Horton, is…as you might have guessed, a Dem. He gave money to John Kerry, gave an interview to DemocracyNow! about how Cheney invented torture or some such, etc., etc. That took me all of five seconds to Google.

CP on September 18, 2006 at 7:48 PM

Hey, has anyone else noticed that there’s a Iranian born, American raised entrepreneur type woman who has bought her way to the International Space Station?

Pablo on September 18, 2006 at 7:49 PM

NTWR:

Got a link or some direction to the story? I’m serving as information officer by reading to the wife as she cooks. Call us

traditional

… Rosie calls us

extremists

for some reason. I’m just

extremely

glad I don’t have to grill tonight.

SailorDave on September 18, 2006 at 7:51 PM

Dang. I really need to know what all these fancy buttons up there do. Sorry folks.

SailorDave on September 18, 2006 at 7:52 PM

Did you get the link Sailor? It’s on Human Events

NTWR on September 18, 2006 at 8:00 PM

They forgot the comfy chair.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on September 18, 2006 at 8:00 PM

Oops, click here. for that.

NTWR on September 18, 2006 at 8:01 PM

“and sound and light manipulation.”

I thought this was a massage the first time I read it. I PAY for those myself….

You’re right AP. Plus these two go hand in hand -/sleep deprivation; and a technique called “the attention grab” …. just the fear from experiencing the attention grab would keep me up for days.

shooter on September 18, 2006 at 8:03 PM

OH, THE HORRORS!

(During my entire first year at military school, at the age of 14, all those and were a DAILY occurence. And much worse were common.)

And Ranger school, SERE school and a few others in my later life made all of that seem like a walk in the park…. Heck… not a walk in the park; A ride around the park in a temperature controlled Bently with champagne and caviar.

LegendHasIt on September 18, 2006 at 8:08 PM

Hey, has anyone else noticed that there’s a Iranian born, American raised entrepreneur type woman who has bought her way to the International Space Station?

Pablo on September 18, 2006 at 7:49 PM

You’re scaring me, Pablo. Cut it out.

Kralizec on September 18, 2006 at 8:09 PM

NTWR, got it. Perhaps Bryan needs to focus on the exponential effect that Coors has on internet navigation skills instead of scholarly analyses of Christianity and Islam next time. That seems to be a more timely topic for me right now.

Maybe that will have to wait for Jeff’s next guest Vent.

SailorDave on September 18, 2006 at 8:09 PM

Although I do think I’d draw the line at “Red Hot Chili Peppers ‘music’ ” ….

Shove red hot chili peppers up my rear and down my throat, Well, OK, but make me listen to that kind of noise, and I’m writing my Congressman and Amnesty International.

LegendHasIt on September 18, 2006 at 8:13 PM

Oh, the horrors…

tele64 on September 18, 2006 at 8:13 PM

This isn’t going to be so funny when one of our troops is captured by Iran and we here reports that his shirt has been grabbed.

frankj on September 18, 2006 at 8:22 PM

If they don’t tell everything after two or three days of Teletubbies and BooBah, they don’t know anything.

BooBah, a blight on mankind.

JammieWearingFool on September 18, 2006 at 8:27 PM

frankj:

You’re right. My family sends care packages to a soldier in Iraq. I never thought that this insanity would lead us to sending him an iron and some spray starch. Where will it end? Tylenol for the pink-belly sting? Some Dr. Scholl’s inserts for all that standing? Oh, the madness!

SailorDave on September 18, 2006 at 8:32 PM

We’re too damn sanctimonious for our own good.

SilverStar830 on September 18, 2006 at 9:19 PM

Heh. Good line from Kaus.

Mark V. on September 18, 2006 at 9:19 PM

So let me see if I got this straight.

- They leaked the leaflets we were going to drop in the early days of the war (anybody besides me remember this one???), ruining the shock value and causing us to ditch the program.

- They leaked how we trace their money.

- They leaked how we datamine their phone traffic.

- They leaked that we won’t attack enemies gathered at cemetaries, churches, and other sites.

- They’re asking for leaks on possible war plans concerning Iran.

- They leaked how we interrogate them, should we be lucky enough to catch anyone after the prior leaks.

Did I miss any?

Is there anybody in my so-called representative government who cares anymore? The leakers at Hewlett Packard were caught faster than this!

Dave Shay on September 18, 2006 at 9:22 PM

Fraternity hazing is more brutal than this.

McCain is an asshat. I hate the guy.

tommy1 on September 18, 2006 at 9:56 PM

the “belly slap”

Sons-a bitches! Sorry guys, I stuck with Dubya on this one for a while, but after reading about those brutal techniques, I’ve jumped the fence. How can any of you support a President who would allow the torturous act of the “belly slap”!? What’s next, will you be okay with tickling of terrorists you sadistic bastards! The thought of Islamists decapitating Americans used to turn my stomach, but now I’ve seen the true face of evil!

(heavy sarcasm of course… although disregard this note if you’re Michael Moore and you want to use me as an example of a NeoCon who’s turned on Bush in your next film. I know how you roll.)

RightWinged on September 18, 2006 at 9:57 PM

The Chitcago Police Academy could teach the CIA a thing or two about interrogation techniques. Heck, even my teenage daughter, aka. The Animal, would be more frightening than the CIA.

If this is what worries McCain then I am forced to conclude that his interrogators totally broke him, thus he cannot be held responsible for his poor decisions concerning getting the information from the terrorists that could save thousands.

Perhaps we can work out a deal with Iraq to send all of our prisoners to The Abu Ghraib Prison due to cost overruns. I am pretty sure that they have the extra room now.

DannoJyd on September 18, 2006 at 10:14 PM

Sounds more like the Monty Python Conventions than Geneva! (The Shocking Shirt Grab, indeed!)

Can’t we just send the terrorist captives through an average military Basic Training Course, then?

Or is that process now against the torture rules (with its ritual “take off your protective masks, now!” tear-gassing agonies, the exhausting forched marches in mud and snow with 50 lb. packs while singing the praises of your buzz-cutted tormenters, capricious punitive exercise regimens for failing to simply raise a hand in the properly-shaped salute at the right time, and the constant humiliating yelling of things like “Get with the f*cking program you pansy-a**sed, gnatc*ck dipwad!” ?

Who do I retroactively sue for this contra-Geneva Conventions treatment -which I actually volunteered for?

I say, show the terrorist prisoners the same care that we give our Boot Camp trainees if these CIA “belly slap” techniques are outlawed by such delusional doom-inviters like Potatohead McCain, et al.

I wasn’t allowed to have any books in Basic (I was supposed to be busy memorizing the serial number of my M-16 among other literary pursuits), so why do the Gitmo terrorists have their war manual allowed to them (AKA Koran)?

Paris Island instead of Guantanamo Bay.

There is one dreaded, super-secret CIA technique, which al-Qaeda fears the most, that the NY Times overlooked: the two-digit Gila Monster nipple tweak!

Osama wakes up screaming with hummus-scented nightsweats at the very prospect.

“Allah, no! Not the evil Crusader aureole pinch! AAAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!”

profitsbeard on September 18, 2006 at 11:15 PM

The fact that these techniques are now in the public domain means that terrorists can train to resist them.

These leaks – and I think this one may have been from the WH – are damaging to our security. I just wish they’d all grow up and stop it.

rick moran on September 19, 2006 at 4:20 AM

Sounds more like the Monty Python Conventions than Geneva! (The Shocking Shirt Grab, indeed!)
Maybe we could strap them into the dreaded COMFEY CHAIR.

kingaljr on September 19, 2006 at 8:52 AM

Click here if you want to see, but be forewarned — they’re extremely graphic.

i hope you’re kidding.

pullingmyhairout on September 19, 2006 at 9:14 AM

Wow! Red-bellies and loud music. Sounds like my first year at band camp.

Gottafang on September 19, 2006 at 9:42 AM

[url=http://jimtreacher.com/archives/001474.html]That ain’t the half of it![/url]

Jim Treacher on September 19, 2006 at 12:05 PM

Ugh. I can’t even pimp myself right…

Jim Treacher on September 19, 2006 at 12:05 PM

Are you kidding me?!

We do worse to each other for fun at parties and on television! Watch “Survivor” or “Jackass” and I hear there is “Jackass 2″!

My family and friends should go to jail for what they did to me in fun and I thought it was funny!

I always wondered what a terrorist would do to torture me and was aprehensive of the pain. I can tell you they must be laughing at us. They live through worse conditions than our proposed “torture” every day.

We are a nation of pansies!

Priest on September 19, 2006 at 12:16 PM

[url=http://jimtreacher.com/archives/001474.html]That ain’t the half of it![/url]

Jim Treacher on September 19, 2006 at 12:05 PM

Ugh. I can’t even pimp myself right…

Jim Treacher on September 19, 2006 at 12:05 PM

lol, just checked your link Jim, hilarious. I’ll pimp it for you, because it’s definitely worth checking out.

RightWinged on September 19, 2006 at 7:52 PM

What Interrogation Techniques Should Be Used On Terrorists?
Wayne Simmons & Lt.Col. Bill Cowan on FNC, 9/19/6
- video

intelsum on September 19, 2006 at 8:00 PM

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