Pope to address controversy on Sunday Update: “Deeply sorry for the reactions” Update: Italian nun murdered in Somalia
posted at 12:57 am on September 17, 2006 by Allahpundit
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So say CNN’s sources. He’ll discuss it during the weekly blessing, or “Angelus.” High noon in Rome, 6 a.m. here on the east coast. Audio will be available at some point on the Vatican website, but Benedict tends to deliver these things in his native language so I don’t know how useful it’ll be. Perhaps he’ll take the multilingual approach tomorrow given the interest in what he has to say.
Taking bets. Will he capitulate and make good on the groveling apology Muslim pride requires? Or will he gently reiterate that he’s sorry they’re offended before coughing up a few platitudes about the brotherhood of man?
We are, after all, all brothers, are we not?
Update: A mixed bag:
“… I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few passages of my address at the University of Regensburg, which were considered offensive to the sensibility of Muslims,” he told pilgrims at his Castelgandolfo summer residence.
“These in fact were a quotation from a medieval text, which do not in any way express my personal thought,” the Pope said at his weekly Angelus prayer.
“I hope this serves to appease hearts and to clarify the true meaning of my address, which in its totality was and is an invitation to frank and sincere dialogue, with mutual respect.”
In Iran, a senior cleric named Ahmad Khatami (no, not that Khatami) has an idea: “The Pope should fall on his knees in front of a senior Muslim cleric and try to understand Islam.”
Treacher’s got a first draft of the Pope’s apology.
Update: That fatwa’s paying dividends already!
Update: Mary K notes that the Muslim Brotherhood has accepted the Pope’s non-apology.
Update: The boss has the full text of the Pope’s message, as well as details on the nun killed today in Somalia. Shocker: a “senior source” among Somalia’s Islamists tells Reuters there’s a “very high probability” the killing was related to the Pope’s comments. She’s been tentatively ID’d:
A nun from the Missionaries order identified her as sister Leonella Sgorbati, born in 1940, in Piacenza in northern Italy. In Somalia since 2002, she trained nurses at the SOS Kindergarten hospital.
The Italian government said the nun and two other Italian nuns working with her had been repeatedly advised to leave Somalia, which was formerly ruled by Italy.
Sunday’s death provoked scenes of mourning at the hospital.
“I was in class when I heard about six to eight shots, I ran out and saw sister bleeding,” Fatuma Hassan, 21, said. “We’re so sad. It’s a big loss.”
A startlingly honest assessment, via the AP:
“These gunmen always look for white people to kill, and now the pope gave them the reason to do their worst,” said Mohamud Durguf Derow, another witness.
Update: Jihad is God’s will, says the grand mufti of Saudi Arabia. Oh, and as for that earlier report about the Muslim Brotherhood accepting the Pope’s apology — consider it retracted.
Update: Ace notes the Pope’s expressed desire to “placate” Muslims. In the translation I posted, the word is … “appease.”
Just across on Fox: A Hamas spokesman says the Pope’s comments today don’t constitute an apology.
Update: People are writing in with links to this photo and saying, “what the hell?”
An e-mailer named “gianni” googled around and came up with this from IslamWeb:
Allaah, the Exalted and Sublime, has made Jihaad (fighting and struggling for His cause), a rewardable act that Muslims believe in and practice. In fact, Jihaad is looked upon as the “hump” of the camel, the highest most important point on the body of the camel, and a Muslim should regard it similarly. Struggle for the sole cause of Allaah Almighty must be cherished by the sincere believing Muslims in this life. It should be treated with reverence and taken seriously, with a mature understanding of its objectives. Jihaad is not an innovation in Islam. In fact, Jihaad is an accepted, well-established, and known practice in the previous faiths and nations as well.
By “Jihaad,” I don’t think they mean a “peaceful internal struggle.”
Update: Reader Niko K. points to an interview Oriana Fallaci gave earlier this year to none other than Flemming Rose, editor of the Danish newspaper that published the Mohammed cartoons. It’s not available in English as far as I can tell, but her remarks about the new Pope are:
[M]ake no mistake: intellectually he’s very sharp. I believe, Ratzinger is going to protect Europe and to defend the West, but it’s no easy job he’s got, it’s difficult to be President or King to a country, it’s difficult to paint or write, but being Pope, mama mia, mama mia! But I believe in him. When I told him, I was an atheist, he said: ‘If you don’t believe in God, then behave as if he existed.’ That’s so brilliant!
Update: An undated photo of Sister Leonella Sgorbati.
Update: Father Raymond de Souza calls out our brothers in monotheism in the National Post: “It does a disservice to children to call the wild-eyed statements and deranged behaviour of the past days childish.” Wear Kevlar, Father.
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Our world is so devoid of true leaders - here’s hoping that the Pope doesn’t apologize, which would be so phoney.
“Are there no men left in this World? Or are they all cowards?”
Entelechy on September 17, 2006 at 1:20 AM
Dear Pope Benedict, please don’t apologize to those throat sliters. Catie
Catie96706 on September 17, 2006 at 1:25 AM
I am so sick and tired of watching muslims bully the world. If any of the Pope’s advisors happen to read this, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not give in. For a few days now the Catholic church has lead. The Pope has done more with his comments to (excuse my vulgarity) get butts in pews than the entire Catholic Church has in the last 20 years!!!!!
They cannot be appeased and they will never stop seeking our appeasement. Jesus would never apologize for an honest critique/commentary.
America1st on September 17, 2006 at 1:33 AM
This is a teachable moment.
Pope Benedict will reiterate and expand on his message of intercultural and inter-religous dialogue.
It is the message of Peace, not appeasement, not cowardice, not political capitulation. But peace is not the easy road that some might imagine it to be.
When he carries forth the message, he will be challenging the concept of jihad — the genuine concept found within Islam and the bastardized version espoused by the hatemongers.
It may take a Catholic Pope to rekindle the flame of Islam and smother (with tough love) the self-defeating flame of petulent victimology found at the root of the violent ideology of islamo-totalitarianism.
While Pope Benedict is not a leader within Islam, he is THE leading philosopher on the worldstage. As unwelcomed as vilification must be, I can name no individual of stature more capable of forebearance and taking the longview of human history.
Be not afraid.
F. Rottles on September 17, 2006 at 1:46 AM
I am quite apprehensive. I do not want him to capitulate.
First, he did and said nothing wrong. His comments were taken out of context and distorted.
Second, the whole brouhaha is insulting, childish, and quite inappropriate.
Third, well, I reeeaaally want someone to stand up, for once, to these ravaging mobs.
But I am prepared for the worst. *sigh*
Muslihoon on September 17, 2006 at 1:52 AM
I don’t think the Pope was looking to provoke a fight. I don’t think the purpose of this speech was to insult or denigrate Islam–his point about Islam was almost an aside in service of a larger point about the relationship of reason to faith.
But I also don’t think he’ll back down.
see-dubya on September 17, 2006 at 1:53 AM
This is a golden opportunity for Benedict and for the world. Will he stand up and speak the truth about Islam’s violent history and totalitarianism that keeps most of its believers locked in nonproductive backwardness and oppression? Or will he cave and compromise his words? Truth About Islam needs a “face” to rally behind, and if Benedict chooses to be that face, I’m with him 200%.
My fingers are crossed but I’m not holding my breath.
Halley on September 17, 2006 at 1:55 AM
Lets imagine for a moment that the money lenders mounted an incredibly bullying campaign against Jesus to get him to apologize publicly to them. Imagine Jesus did.
America1st on September 17, 2006 at 2:09 AM
Me neither.
Jim Treacher on September 17, 2006 at 3:07 AM
I’ve been disappointed so often by leaders capitulating to this nonsense, I almost expect Benedict to do the mea culpa.
But I sure hope he doesn’t. We need a religious man with a freakin backbone to lead the way through what is to be the inevitable worldwide war with radical islam.
I’m Protestant, but I will stand solidly behind this very impressive man if he chooses to take up the cause.
tickleddragon on September 17, 2006 at 3:16 AM
Regarding “…the groveling apology Muslim pride requires?”, the heart of the problem about which Benedict spoke is the utterly undeserved pride of Islam.
If the world were able to stop pretending Islam has earned its pride, and to ridicule the ridiculous parts of Islam in the same way that it does the ridiculous in other matters, religious or secular, we might see progress.
I’ll not be holding my breath.
Patton on September 17, 2006 at 4:07 AM
Still no apology.
Let’s not lose our heads over this.
I am deeply regretful of all Islamic violent reactions. You go Pope!
Valiant on September 17, 2006 at 6:49 AM
The Pope has apologized today (Sunday.) The Muslim Brotherhood has accepted his apology. Hope is lost.
IrishEi on September 17, 2006 at 7:27 AM
There was no apology, as the European media now ruefully begin to report…
The Pope’s statement, in translation
Further, the Pope said that his Vatican secretary explained on Saturday…
Then the article explicitly makes clear that this was not an apology, no revision of the Vatican’s statement from Saturday, as had been expected by Muslim clergy.
Entelechy on September 17, 2006 at 7:44 AM
Why don’t they prove him wrong by being quite? Oh yeah, now I remember … BECAUSE THEY’RE MUSLIMS!
Hey, I got a better idea Achmed, let’s go shoot a nun in the back.
Real bad asses, aren’t they?
Tony737 on September 17, 2006 at 7:47 AM
Sorry not to have emphasized in previous post - the title of the linked article is “Keine Entschuldigung von Benedikt XVI.”, which translates into “No apology from Benedict XVI.”
Entelechy on September 17, 2006 at 7:49 AM
Yay Pope! The Mullahs are out there commenting about the inroads that JPII made with interfaith dialogue. They for get JPII nor Benedict XVI never acquiesced to the claim that the one God is Allah and his prophet is Mohammad.
The Popes again offer an invitation to mutual respect and dialogue. Burning effigies of them is they’re letter of acceptance.
Joe on September 17, 2006 at 8:22 AM
We got a smart Pope here. Let’s not forget how he opened his Papacy. Deus Caritas Est. God Is Love. He made it clear from the beginning that he will be showing what separates the Catholic (and to a larger extent Christian) congregation from the other big one. And at least the would-be Islamic Overlords got one thing right - the Pope is proselytizing, he is inviting everyone to join the Catholic congregation because, to put it bluntly, our God will make you feel a whole lotta better.
And herein lies the sheer brilliance of Benedict XVI. - it’s a universal message that works in any conceivable target market, it’s an assurance for the believers that we’re on the just side, and it clearly shows the inherent deficit of the other
partycongregation. Whenever they evoke an image of theirparty programgod, it’s full of suspicion, grudge, and rage.Deus Caritas Est. Our God Is Love.
Niko on September 17, 2006 at 8:33 AM
We are on the verge of defeat when we are afraid to speak the truth because we fear the consequences. Human beings are being slaughtered and enslaved by a ruthless enemy and the United States along with the rest of the timid western world is whimpering about tolerance and retaining the “moral high ground”. Wake up people, lest the “moral high ground becomes your burial grounds.
rplat on September 17, 2006 at 9:00 AM
Entelechy,
Thanks for the link and for clarifying. I foolishly posted the remarks on Fox News as I listened in disbelief. I have been searching to find something supporting their statement that the Muslim Brotherhood has “accepted this apology” to no avail.
While the Pope did not in fact apologize, he did unfortunately quite effectively distance himself from the most important sentiment in his speech. According to AFP:
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I am aware that he used the words “I quote” more than once when first relating the text in question to make certain that no one mistook those words as his own. However, it would have been better if he just let the statement stand. By stating that the passage “did not ‘in any way’ reflect his personal thoughts,” he is more or less crying “Uncle!”
IrishEi on September 17, 2006 at 9:08 AM
Not everyone is on the same page, but the Muslim Brotherhood did think it was an apology and have accepted it. From YNet:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3304944,00.html
IrishEi on September 17, 2006 at 9:18 AM
Then again,saying that these quotes do not reflect his personal beliefs might mean that his personal view is even more brutal.
I also stress that
“Sono vivamente rammaricato per le reazioni suscitate da un breve passo del mio discorso…”
Rammaricarsi means to be chagrined or pained, not “sorry” as in apologetically sorry. It’s from the same root as amareggiare, which means “to embitter.” This is very far from conveying sadness at having said something wrong. Very far.
bbz123 on September 17, 2006 at 9:21 AM
I was hoping he’d take the opportunity to further elaborate on Islam’s violent, aggressive, imperialistic past. Oh well.
Halley on September 17, 2006 at 9:23 AM
Halley:
My fantasy was…
“Although, O sons of God, you have promised more firmly than ever to keep the peace among yourselves and to preserve the rights of the church, there remains still an important work for you to do. Freshly quickened by the divine correction, you must apply the strength of your righteousness to another matter which concerns you as well as God. For your brethren who live in the east are in urgent need of your help, and you must hasten to give them the aid which has often been promised them. For, as the most of you have heard, the Turks and Arabs have attacked them and have conquered the territory of Romania [the Greek empire] as far west as the shore of the Mediterranean and the Hellespont, which is called the Arm of St. George. They have occupied more and more of the lands of those Christians, and have overcome them in seven battles. They have killed and captured many, and have destroyed the churches and devastated the empire. If you permit them to continue thus for awhile with impurity, the faithful of God will be much more widely attacked by them. On this account I, or rather the Lord, beseech you as Christ’s heralds to publish this everywhere and to persuade all people of whatever rank, foot-soldiers and knights, poor and rich, to carry aid promptly to those Christians and to destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends. I say this to those who are present, it meant also for those who are absent. Moreover, Christ commands it.”
—Pope Urban II at the Council of Cleremont, 1095 AD
IrishEi on September 17, 2006 at 9:44 AM
“Our world is so devoid of true leaders - here’s hoping that the Pope doesn’t apologize, which would be so phoney.”
It is NOT devoid of true leaders damnit. We’ve got over 150,000 of them in Iraq you fool. And thats not all. We have a President with balls who is not taking crap from anyone. Did you NOT see how he handled the Press Conference on Friday???? Go whimp somewhere else or make sure you qualify your statement. Damnit. WE HAVE LEADERS. AND DON’T YOU VERY FARGIN FORGET IT.
auspatriotman on September 17, 2006 at 9:55 AM
How smart is the pope? He knew what the reaction would be. He knew how and when the muslims would spew their rhetoric. The Vatican probably knows more than most of us the ’state of the muslim nation’. Pope Benny knows his papal history and the conflicts with the muslims thru the years. He knew exactly what would happen. And he banked on it.
I dont know how this will play out. It seems the Vatican and the Pope just might have started something HUGE. A worldwide stand for freedom, for freedom of religion, freedom of thought, freedom for WOMEN. Moderates, muslim or not, will almost have to stand up to be heard, soon.
I’m not Catholic, but I am Christian and I will back ALL of the Christians and ALL FREE people of the world in this matter. This could be BILLIONS of people.
It is time , NOW, to pull the free people of the world together. Together we demand an end to muslim pressures and their fallacies of superiority used to harm others. Stop the islamafascists and their hate and hate crimes, which are condoned by their leaders. Stop the muslims who KILL OVER a CARTOON, but engage in real terrorist activities by beheadings and maiming thousands of INNOCENT PEOPLE.
A leader of one of the largest religions in the world has given the world an opportunity here. Over a billion Christians can chose to use this, to build on this chance. A few billion others just might join in. Think about it, is this the opportunity we hoped for but did not really expect?
Again, I am not Catholic, but I fully believe this is a chance for the truth to be heard ’round the world. As a Christian, I must believe and hope that this is so.
shooter on September 17, 2006 at 11:32 AM
shooter on September 17, 2006 at 11:46 AM
I think you mean you’re afraid the Pope may caliphatulate.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on September 17, 2006 at 11:51 AM
Notice the abscense of comments in regards to the reaction of Islamofascism worldwide on the Liberal Blogs. I don’t know whether it’s good (they aren’t attacking the Pope) or bad (they aren’t acknowledging the threat).
starflyer on September 17, 2006 at 12:22 PM
Somalia is the hotspot that would strike fire first.
It is a stretch at this point, but we should hope this will not the first of one million funerals to come.
I’m as ready to defend America as anybody but wishing for a war of religion is foolish.
The Popes purpose of speech is known only to him and of course he should have the right to speak it.
All leaders though should consider the cost of their words.
Speakup on September 17, 2006 at 12:59 PM
Tell you what Speakup- we’ll consider the cost of our words when the Muslims consider the cost of theirs.
I’m sick of people abdicating their right to free speech on the grounds that it might piss the Muslims off & then they’ll bomb us or whatever. Too damn bad- too many brave men & women have given their very lives defending our right to say what we please when it pleases us to say it, and I will not shame their sacrifice by backing down.
Abigail Adams on September 17, 2006 at 1:11 PM
Neither will I Abigail! I am sick to death of the Muslims always being given a pass on whatever it is-cartoons, the Pope’s true speech as evidenced by their reaction, and killing people just because that peson is an “infidel”. Why do we have to let our speech be stiffled by fools like this. Of course, we as Catholics and all Christian sects are told to put up and shut up because a Virgin Mary is made of dung it’s called “art” and we should appreciate the “artist” and their right to free expression. I think the Muslims proved the Holy Father’s point by their reaction. Doesn’t matter if he was speaking from a Middle Ages text, it’s just as relevant today!
Catie96706 on September 17, 2006 at 1:28 PM
I pray the Pope does not capitulate!
Islam, the religion of hurt feelings and bad attitude.
We and I mean globally, must stand up to the self-righteous, murdering muslims.
I am sick of hearing the repeated garbage.
We have been insulted, now you must die.
The hatred and intolerance spewed forth is appalling.
We are at war.
The radical islamists are continually reminding us. Actually, if you think about it, we do not have to say anything for them to hate us. The simple fact that we are breathing is enough.
Why does the left not see this?
MITX on September 17, 2006 at 1:36 PM
Abigail Adams,
This was not US that said anything, it was the Pope.
War for freedom is inevetible, tyrants will always try to remove freedom from us.
Our precious young Men and Women who have sacrificed greatly have done so for the freedom TO worship not because of it.
I agree the Muslim society is backward, oppressive and violent. They are a great threat that we are dealing with.
That does not include a war of theology which if you’ll notice from a history lesson means great cost and no gain whatsoever.
I fully understand the anger, I am also angry, there is a double standard.
It’s a result of our society NOT being based on tribal rules and because we ARE more civilized and free.
Not because, many Muslim nations are not.
This double standard (in other words) is not our fault and fixing it should only go so far as to secure the safety of Americans.
Speakup on September 17, 2006 at 1:41 PM
Speakup echoes the isolationist crap that preceded WWII.
Putting your head in the sand like an ostrich doesn’t work.
Something about being your brother’s keeper.
Among other more common sensical issues.
.
The Machine on September 17, 2006 at 2:24 PM
Actually Speakup, from our enemies perspective wars of theology have been fought and won for great gain. I point to all of North Africa, which was once Christian, and home to St. Augustine among other Christian luminaries, which was conquered and converted by the Muslims.
In our current context, you may want to replace the term “Theology” with “Philosophy” using the “guiding principles” context of the word. You can also use the term “Ideology”. While Western Philosophy is much broader & diverse in scope than Islamic, there are certian underpinnings that can be compared and contrasted with Islamic. And you’ll note that the 20th Century was one long struggle between two opposing Philosophies/Ideologies/Theologies/Thought Frameworks. When you look at it from that perspective, our conflict with Islam transcends the purely religious as it also deals with society organization and governance.
You also want to avoid the moral equivalence trap. Which is easy for us to fall into because of our society’s concept of treating all faiths equally. However, just because we treat them equally before the law, does not mean they are actually equal in terms of moral worth. As a famous Jewish Rabbi said,(paraphrasing) “Judge a tree by its fruits”. This is a hard thing to do in a society were being “non-judgemental” is prized.
Iblis on September 17, 2006 at 2:24 PM
Even though I know the Pope felt he had to address the brouhaha, I’d prefer if he hadn’t said anything at all. His quasi-apology, slight as it was, will just provide an opening for fearful Europeans to believe that he didn’t really mean it, and for Muslim extremists to claim that he knuckled under to Muslim pressure.
I guess it would be too much to ask the Pope to reply by quoting Oriana Fallaci: “What are you going to do to me? You go f*** yourself—I say what I want.”
Squid Vicious on September 17, 2006 at 3:00 PM
Just some FYI, we won WWII. And no I’m not advocating absolute isolationism. We must act for the sake of survival.
For our Muslim enemy, the conflict has always been a religious one. That’s because for them, everything is a religious issue.
Our issue is and must always be American safety and freedom.
There will always be struggle between theologies, another great reason not to fight within the religious aspect of our society versus another and why a religious war is always disastrous.
Consider the cost of changing just the denomination from Catholic to Protestant in England. Still worshiping the same God just a different process.
Are we as a society strong enough to publicly hang every Islamic Cleric that espouses violence? Hardly.
Barring such universally damnable action, what action are we to employ which will secure American vital interests?
Does the deaths of who knows how many to defend the Pope’s right to self expression fit within that pretext?
Speakup on September 17, 2006 at 3:31 PM
How’s this apology:
Dear Muslim world,
I’m sorry you are such a bunch of freakin’ medieval-minded death-loving satan worshippers. I’m sorry that for every disagreement you have that death and violence seems to be your pat answer, rather than thoughtful dialog and discussion. I’m sorry that you can’t shed all that dark-ages mind-set of yours and have a positive contribution to the world today. I’m sorry that you are so programmed into this narrow focus of death, that it can’t possibly be imaged by you that God (as world history and western thought understand Him) could actually frown on your actions. I’m sorry that you think these statements wreak of venomous garbage. But, that’s part of your sorry programming…
ricer1 on September 17, 2006 at 3:52 PM
Anti-dhimmitude:
Pope Benedict may not have to take them on alone. It appears that the head of Greek Orthodox Christianity is weighing in against Islamic radicalism also.
From Gateway Pundit:
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/09/greek-archbishop-christodoulos-joins.html
tommy1 on September 17, 2006 at 4:15 PM
Why doesn’t he just READ FROM THE KORAN?????
8;12
When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (Gee, thanks Allah!)
[9.3] And an announcement from Allah and His Apostle to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah and His Apostle are free from liability to the idolaters; therefore if you repent, it will be better for you, and if you turn back, then know that you will not weaken Allah; and announce painful punishment to those who disbelieve.
[9.14] Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people.
[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
[5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,
[4.56] (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.
9.73] O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.
DOES ONE THIS SOUND AT ALL FAMILIAR?
[47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve,then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.
GEE, IT SEEMS AS IF THE “BEHEADERS” GOT THEIR IDEAS FROM THE “RELIGION OF PEACE!!!”
Koran 2:216
“Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, you knew not.”
Koran 8:65
“O Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you 20 steadfast,they will overcome 200 and if there be of you a 100, they shall overcome a 1000, because the disbelievers are a folk without intelligence”
This Sura clearly exposes Islam to be a religion that not only encourages violence but actually makes it a sacred duty for Muslims to kill anyone who does not believe in the Muslim version of religion. Not only is the “All forgiving Allah” exhorting his followers to kill anyone who is not Muslim, but he is also saying that all non-Muslims are so stupid that they will be unable to defend themselves and therfore deserve death!
‘Nuff said. Any questions?
Mohammed married Aisha when she was six and “consummated” this “union” when she was NINE. If the root of the tree be bad then must not the tree be bad indeed? What can make of faith derived from a pedophile? Could not one reasonably make the argument, when one considers the wealth of quotations exhorting his followers to murder, that Islam as expressed thru Mohammed, is Evil? Hmmmmm.
IN THE CHEST OF A LIBERAL BEATS THE HEART OF A COWARD.
Soothsayer on September 17, 2006 at 5:32 PM
Second picture courtesy of the Religion of Peace.
Catie96706 on September 17, 2006 at 7:04 PM
The Religion of Peace… kill everyone that disagrees with us, and then we will have peace.
Have we learned our lesson yet?
Or do we still have our heads in the sand?
???
Lawrence on September 17, 2006 at 7:25 PM
Check out the top of this link, for “peace-lovers” in London.
And, the Vatican condemns…
Entelechy on September 17, 2006 at 8:09 PM
Religion of Pique.
tommy1 on September 17, 2006 at 9:22 PM
Click on the “Previous” and/or “Next” to the left of the picture/s to see all 6 out of 6 of them…
auspatriotman, I am “very upset and sorry” that my remarks caused you such a reaction. Violence is “incompatible with the nature of God”.
Also, I’d like to award you a special distinction. It is rare indeed that I’m called a fool; it is completeley unique to be called one by a person who’s on my side philosophically/politically. You win that award!
To your request to qualify my statement, I’ll say this - so far only Angela Merkel, the Chancellor of Germany and Father Raymond de Souza (see the last update from AP, above) have expressed support for the Pope and disgust at the reaction toward his lecture at the university, which ends with these words:
I agree with what you wrote about our soldiers, whom I fully support, always have and will, and about our President.
Entelechy on September 17, 2006 at 9:53 PM
Abigail Adams?
You go girl!
Lady Heather on September 17, 2006 at 10:12 PM
I looked into it, and, shockingly enough, it turns out that the pope has also criticized the views of fundamentalist evangelical protestants. Is nothing sacred?
The pope sure seems to be mighty opinionated about religion. And he’s like totally biased in favor of Catholicism, too.
sandberg on September 18, 2006 at 12:43 AM
Great link Entelechy! Notice how the liberal scum frames the issue in the headline. NUN SHOT DEAD AS POPE FAILS TO CALM MILITANT MUSLIMS! NOT “MUSLIMS PROVE POPE RIGHT!” or “RELIGION OF PEACE KILLS NUN” nOOOOOO! They actually manage to blame the Pope! He FAILS to calm the Militant MUSLIMS. I thought they were “HI-JACKERS”, usurpers of a peaceful religion! Read the many quotes in my post above if you have any questions about this being the “Religion of Peace”.
Soothsayer on September 18, 2006 at 12:56 AM
I just came across this and found it interesting: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,113602,00.html… no threadjack intended, but, we’re dealing with “us vs them : Christians vs Muslims” issues, and now that. Freedom of expression & religion aside, what’s next, Satanists demanding symbols on their military markers? After all, we’re already called “The Great Satan”, and I sure don’t want to prove them right!
Would that be appeasement?
Well, maybe the gumnen offed the Nun because she was a symbol of the Pope, and not because she represents Christianity… and maybe someone around here would like to buy some ocean front property in Arizona… cheap!
SilverStar830 on September 18, 2006 at 1:18 AM
Pope Benedict has courageously opened the one issue central to the future of our civilization:
-is violence an acceptable method for religious ‘dialogue’?
In Muslim terms:
-is “Paradise under the shadow of swords”?
Now, as always-outraged Islam answers: “Yes!”, the Pope needs to go further and to open the Koran and the Hadiths to those in the West denying the contents of these Muslim texts, and to explore their “eternal” tenets of Islam honestly and critically.
Until the actual precepts of Mohammad (speaking for “Allah”) are soberly exposed, and until the “prophet” of Islam’s well-documented, historically-homicidal behavior is frankly examined, then the world media and global politicians, when discussing such crucial philosophical-theological dilemmas, are merely dancing on their own pinheads. Pretending, to their equally-uninformed audience, that the dogmas of the Koran are probably indistinguishable from the Beautitudes, or Psalms, or Book of Micah.
Why no one in the Press or government appears to have YET bothered to read the damned Koran is a sign of the intellectual derelection of duty shown by our cultural “shieldbearers”. (It is a shorter text than the New Testament, so length is no excuse for their studious indifference.)
The ideological iron is hot and the Pope needs to strike the conceptual metal, now, so that it may receive a spiritually-profound impression -which will last for generations to come.
My prayers are with him.
And us.
profitsbeard on September 18, 2006 at 1:25 AM
LOL. It would be great if Benedict would work with the heads of both Islam and Judiasm as an example to the rest of the world that diverse religions can co-exist and even prosper together. This would doubtless be the path JP2 would have taken. This Pontiff is more of an intellectual, less pastoral, so I don’t expect to see it.
honora on September 18, 2006 at 10:33 AM
Benny Hill is funnier than Pope Benny. And he never apologised to Muslims. Instead he would just slap that little bald guy on the top of his head, and then run away dressed as a woman.
Pope Benny has dhimmitude, Benny Hill had attitude. I like Benny Hill better.
In case there are any Muslims reading this, looking for more statements to be outraged by:
“Allah is not God. Allah is a mask Satan wears to lead people into Hell. The only true God is the God of Israel and Christians. Mohammed was a whiner. You all are losers who can’t accept that you follow a false god, so you try to kill everyone who reminds you of that fact. Wah wah wah.”
Doug on September 18, 2006 at 12:07 PM
There’s a heaven and hell. I’m sure Muslims will find their 72 virgins in a fitting place called hell.
byteshredder on September 18, 2006 at 11:37 PM
byteshredder-
Yes!
They also leave off the end of full title of the promised posthumous Mohammedan nymphs:
72 Virgins… of Nuremburg.
(Mohammad Atta and his band of airborne psychopaths are surely in their tight and pointed embrace right now.)
profitsbeard on September 19, 2006 at 1:26 AM
Pope Benedict has not backed down. This will not be his last statement nor his last action on the threat of Islamo-totalitarianism. He has spoken out previously; this is one of many steps and now has the world’s attention anew.
Basically, this week the pope has drawn a line and has said that one one side is violent conversion and on the other side is the challenge of making the reasoned case for conversion. He is prepared to make his case; he is awaiting a Muslom leader to step forward to make the case for Islam.
This is the leader that has invited Muslims to search for a leader in their faith. A leader, or leaders, of intellect rather than brute force or politically expedient fatwas.
If he is not met on the grounds of respect for human dignity and human reasoning, then, his example can only inspire someone else — not of the establishment in the Moslem world — to takeup his challenge.
Those on the side of forced conversion are not invited to the debate. They may impose themselves with continued threats, and perhaps attempts, on the life of Benedict. He is strong enough to withstand that nonsense. And if he, a mere infidel, can standup to the brutes, then his example may inspire the faithful of Islam to breake free from the bullies and to elevate reason WITH faith and in so doing bring down the WALL.
Turkey politicians have made noises about his intended trip to that country. Let them try and stop him from visiting and walking into the lion’s den. This is no coward, Pope Benedict, and nobody’s fool.
And yet he is a humble man speaking the truth. Only cowards would deny him his voice. A brave Moslem leader would agree to debate Benedict on the subject of his talk about faith and reason.
I think he may find a welcome by Sistani in Iraq, eventually. That would usher in the Glasnost of this century.
If you pray, pray for the success of Benedict’s (and our) challenge.
F. Rottles on September 19, 2006 at 3:16 AM
A debate? Great idea, to the Western mind, but to the muslim mind (oxymoron) there IS NO debate. I think it might go something like this:
Muslim: “You are an infidel and I must kill you in the name of allah, but because allah is so merciful, I will allow you to choose, either convert to islam, or die.”
Pope: “In the name of Christ, I forgive you.”
Muslim: “DIE INFIDEL! I WILL KILL YOU MYSELF! RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT NOW! I KILL YOU IN THE NAME OF ALLAH!”
Pope: “I forgive you.”
Muslim: “AAAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!” (head explodes)
Pope: “Who’s next?”
Tony737 on September 19, 2006 at 8:00 AM
I’m curious as to what you base that on? He has been pretty arrogant in the past, remember his comments that the only path to salvation is thru the Catholic Church.
honora on September 19, 2006 at 9:38 AM